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Syria War thread Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 20:54:54 [Preview] No. 10248
Because rondam news is too small to contain it

ISIS in Deir ez-Zor got almost rekt, siege is broken.

YPG forces started their own offensive and arrived in north of Deir ez-Zor.
>US-Led Coalition ‘Will Not Allow’ Syrian Army To Cross Euphrates River In Deir Ezzor
I except they start fighting with each other soon, maybe even tomorrow, while ISIS will occasionaly bomb a car or a tank on both sides.

ISIS in eastern Homs are getting gradually removed and hopefully soon they will be containet in the east.

There was something about Israel entering Lebanon air space and Syria reacting with anti air defence but sadly I lost link to proofs.

Link to map

Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 20:56:35 [Preview] No. 10251 del
> but sadly I lost link to proofs.
nevermind, I found it
>Confirmed 100% Today and for the first time the #Syrian Air Defense engaged an #Israeli target flying over #Lebanon.

Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 20:58:18 [Preview] No. 10252 del
Good idea. We're hanging out with im jew on KhanTube if you're interested in watching palm trees bowing.

Thread Theme Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 21:04:56 [Preview] No. 10254 del
As always, the theme song for the thread.

Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 21:07:59 [Preview] No. 10255 del

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 17:57:20 [Preview] No. 10439 del
golly gee I wonder ﴾﴾﴾who﴿﴿﴿ took those dinars

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 18:19:25 [Preview] No. 10440 del
Why noone giving me free moneiz? I don't cost much, I'm not an addict, I generally live a healthy life (healthier than my average compatriot), I've constructive hobbies and can manage my budget well.
Maybe I should write to Merkel or to western NGOs something.

Bernd 09/16/2017 (Sat) 10:05:38 [Preview] No. 10463 del
>I except they start fighting with each other soon
ids habening
>Russian or Syrian airforce hit positions of SDF fighters on the East bank of Euphrates as they advance to Deir-Ez-Zur against ISIS

>I don't cost much, I'm not an addict, I generally live a healthy life (healthier than my average compatriot), I've constructive hobbies and can manage my budget well.
This disqualify you from free monies.

Bernd 09/28/2017 (Thu) 20:19:05 [Preview] No. 10731 del
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What are these guys up to? Are they just a sham?

Bernd 09/28/2017 (Thu) 20:42:17 [Preview] No. 10732 del
idk but they got dank-ass flag

Bernd 09/28/2017 (Thu) 20:47:48 [Preview] No. 10733 del
>Are they just a sham?
Nusra rebranded as a PR move to improve the opposition's image to Western eyes, so yes, they're a sham.

btw, Syrian rebels have great symbology.

Bernd 09/28/2017 (Thu) 21:12:25 [Preview] No. 10734 del
>Syrian rebels have great symbology.
>It's an overhead view of a bowl of spaghetti onna plank.

Are you seriously trying to tell me these cypto-kikes are willing to fight and die for this shit? Any serious highschool art student could top that halfassed heraldry.

Bernd 09/29/2017 (Fri) 20:04:30 [Preview] No. 10764 del
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ISIS made a succesfull attack on a road between Palmyra and Deir Ez Zor, but SAA recaptured it day later. There are still some forces east of Palmyra. Looks like ISIS have still some power, more then I though.

Also some intense bombing on rebel territory between Aleppo and Hama. Assad tried invade but was repelled.

Bernd 10/07/2017 (Sat) 07:56:13 [Preview] No. 10955 del
>from Northern Caucasus
What did they mean by this?

Bernd 10/07/2017 (Sat) 10:29:48 [Preview] No. 10960 del
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>What did they mean by this?

In Russia term "North Caucasian" or simply "Caucasian" describes Russian citizens of several specific ethnic groups.

RT just wrote article in Russian-style for foreigners who rarely get it.

Bernd 10/07/2017 (Sat) 17:31:04 [Preview] No. 10961 del
I tried to imply if this is a new Chechen war.

Bernd 10/07/2017 (Sat) 17:41:25 [Preview] No. 10962 del
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Oh that reminds me:

What's like the Russian sex?
1. Sasha lays on the mirror Masha is beneath him. Masha sounds like mása which means reflection or mirror image in Hungarian.
2. Four Russian two Chechen. [spoiler]Csecsen means on titties in Hungarian, so it's "Four Russians on two titties"

Bernd 10/07/2017 (Sat) 21:17:10 [Preview] No. 10963 del
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>I tried to imply if this is a new Chechen war.

We have news about some firefights and killing in Caucasus almost every week for years, so this Syrian campaign is meh compared to constant local happenings.

Bernd 10/07/2017 (Sat) 23:04:57 [Preview] No. 10964 del
fenno-mongol humour

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 14:30:13 [Preview] No. 10982 del
Why do Muslims often grow beard but shave mustache? Is it haram to have mustache? Or do they think this is how Mahomet looked like?

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 15:48:43 [Preview] No. 10989 del
It's not in the Qur'an but it's in the Hadith that Muslims should shave their upper lip.
It also says that Muslims have to shave body hair, and even says that this is minor jihad, which means that this is jihad a Muslim wages on his body.

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 16:22:25 [Preview] No. 10992 del

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 16:25:07 [Preview] No. 10993 del
But Jihad is the powerful way of spreading Islam. How can he jihad his body? If he accepts Islam then it's in his body already.

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 16:33:58 [Preview] No. 10996 del
You could say that when you accept Islam it's the mind or brain or soul that accepts it, and the rest of the body must be jihaded properly.

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 16:35:50 [Preview] No. 10997 del
Well, apostle Paul said that if anyone, even an angel, would teach a different gospel then he should be accursed. And then 500 years later an angel gibes Mahomet a different gospel, and accursed angel would in other words be called...?

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 16:51:37 [Preview] No. 10999 del
You might be onto something.

But soul lives in stomach. If you love you feel it in stomach if you fear you feel it in stomach if you Islam then it's in your stomach where it enters into bloodstream like nutrients which carries it all over the body.
Also wouldn't it be better to grind Koran put it into soap and wash with soap?

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 17:31:39 [Preview] No. 11000 del
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It is often known as "salafi beard", it isn't strongly required by Islam, but some branches are strict about this.

I want to have that beard but my fennomongol genes don't allow it. It barely grows on cheeks.

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 17:38:20 [Preview] No. 11001 del
Why do you want a salafi beard, Bernd?

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 17:45:13 [Preview] No. 11002 del
m8 baphomet first appears in texts around the time of 1st crusade

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Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 17:51:21 [Preview] No. 11006 del
You have beard liek that?

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 17:57:18 [Preview] No. 11008 del
>Why do you want a salafi beard, Bernd?

Because there is no G-d but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger of course.

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Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 18:18:51 [Preview] No. 11011 del
nod rly, I trim sides and I don't trim moustache at all, it just doesn't grow longer for me (except in the corners)

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 18:55:16 [Preview] No. 11015 del
Doesn't your stache bother you by hanging onto your lips and into your food and drinks? I have to trim thanks for this reason. Not on the sides but over my lips.

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 19:23:56 [Preview] No. 11018 del
it does not because it doesn't even grow long enough lol, the mid section is eyebrow tier for me

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 19:48:48 [Preview] No. 11020 del
> G-d
a russian Jew Moslem, hory shid

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 19:50:35 [Preview] No. 11021 del
>my fennomongol genes don't allow it
How old are you?
I had shitty beard too years ago but now it's pretty decent.

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 20:02:10 [Preview] No. 11022 del
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32 soon. I'm old.

t. have something like 2 on pic

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 20:04:38 [Preview] No. 11023 del
>Also wouldn't it be better to grind Koran put it into soap and wash with soap?
Wow that's not very tolerant of you. Don't destroy the Koran, it might have something valuable to teach you.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo [Embed]

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 20:06:25 [Preview] No. 11024 del
o-ok nevermind me then
actually that 2nd looks like something a proper mongol would have

Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 20:23:11 [Preview] No. 11027 del
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You'd look cool on a t-shirt.
t. Che


Bernd 10/08/2017 (Sun) 22:14:03 [Preview] No. 11030 del
I was 1 at 14, and then I gained a level every year
except for the moustache, only gained it once beard reached level 5

Bernd 10/15/2017 (Sun) 21:07:21 [Preview] No. 11218 del
Raqqa will fall soon.

>SDF say it has launched its final assault on ISIS in Raqqa
>Reuters: Some, but not all, foreign IS fighters have left Syria’s Raqqa city on Sunday as part of a withdrawal deal with the SDF/YPG, a local official told Reuters today.
>After the evacuation of 275 Syrian IS fighters (including some foreigners) along with their families towards Deir ez-Zour province, the SDF announce they've begun their "final assault" on the remaining IS pocket in Raqqa.
>Source at #SDF to R24: ~ 400 fighters of #Daesh still inside #Raqqa most of them are foreign fighters who refused the agreement.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 13:29:20 [Preview] No. 11233 del
Iraq moved forces into Kirkuk and K*rds are losing their shit

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 14:17:23 [Preview] No. 11236 del
and Kirkuk is (according to RT according to Baghdad) fully under Iraqi control.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 15:32:09 [Preview] No. 11237 del
So basically we have a new war on our hands. Iraq is against the Kurds. Turks are against the Kurds. What's the standpoint of Assad and Co's in this question. If these could join forces then the independent Kurdish state is done.

What's next for ISIS? They don't really have ties to any land they could just pop up anywhere, don't they?

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 16:19:42 [Preview] No. 11243 del
That's a lot of markers on that map.
It's like shit there is more intense then in Syria. Also why are they fighting? I know syrian kurds are gommies supported by USA, but I though iraqi ones have different views and were granted some kind of autonomy by Iraq gov?
Also also I talked with Iranian guy some time ago, and he told me that Kurds are actually an ethnic group from Iran, and that they should just return there and stop starting shit around middle east. I guess if that is true then I support this idea.

If you would monitor that map frequently you would notice that ISIS pockets pop up without warning in the middle of syrian controled territory.
I guess after raqqa they will have to go down the tiger river and remove everything from there, and then eventually hunt all the hidden remnats across the country.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 16:26:18 [Preview] No. 11247 del
Kurds had independence referendum. Kirkuk wasn't part of autonomous Kurdistan, but was under Kurdish control after ISIS got rekt. Kirkuk was included in the referendum. Considering mass exodus of people when Iraqi army moved in, majority of actual Kirkuk inhabitants are outside as refugees anyway, and people voting for independence in Kirkuk were Kurds who moved in from elsewhere.

Oh, and should I mention, Kirkuk has oil, and was the first target Iraq threatened to seize from Kurds should they actually decide to secede.

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Otherwise, Kurds are ethnically Iranian, but borders in the Middle East don't follow neither historical nor ethnic divisions. So if anything, entire Kurdistan should be part of Iran. And in any case. Kurds aren't a single ethnic group.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 17:10:27 [Preview] No. 11251 del
Kirkuk is rightful Turkmen clay.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 17:16:14 [Preview] No. 11253 del
As much as I think Kurdistan deserves their independence for successfully fighting off ISIS, geopolitically they were always fucked and independence is impossible. An independent Iraqi Kurdistan would be a landlocked country surrounded by Iraq, Iran, and Turkey (and maybe Syria). They need sponsorship from at least one of these but instead all of them are antagonistic to independence.
Although what I just is not entirely true. Ironically Iran seems to be their current best bet, as they seem to be 'closet friends'. (Maybe it has something to do with >>11248 saying they are ethnically Iranian.) Assuming that PUK abandoned Kirkuk because Iran told them to is true, this is actually the correct decision for any chance of Kurdish independence/autonomy depends on Iran. An independent Kurdistan, if it ever exists, would then likely to be in Iran's sphere of influence, just like Iraq.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 17:30:46 [Preview] No. 11255 del
>current best bet
The only bet actually. Or is it really?
Funny thing, Israel seems to be on friendly terms on Kurds if I'm not mistaken, and while they wouldn't have common border Israel is a considerable force in the Middle East.
How's the relations between Iran and Iraq? Because both Turkey and Iran are aspiring to be a leading power in the region so if Iraq has some hostility then Iran might step in to gain an ally.
But then that would be an impossible love triangle with Israel, Kurdistan and Iran.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 17:59:22 [Preview] No. 11257 del
From what I understand about Israel, I believe they support Kurdistan for two reasons:
1) Kurds don't hate Israel
2) Their ongoing doctrine to destabilize (and keep destabilized) Middle Eastern countries to prevent any more Arab-Israeli Wars

However a great power Israel is, it's meaningless in the context of Kurdistan if they are unable to logistically and economically support them. Air logistics are infeasible on a mass scale, hence why land borders are so important. The same is true of any US support to an independent Kurdistan.

>How's the relations between Iran and Iraq?
I'm not an expert on this, but I imagine it to be fairly good, with them both being Shiites and generous military support from Iran to Iraq in fending off ISIS. As you've mentioned it yourself, Iran has aspirations to be a leading power, but personally I think their aspirations exceed that; they want to become a great power on par with the likes of US, China, Russia etc. If you're looking for a more in-depth analysis on this relationship I'm afraid I don't really have anything to add.

Bernd 10/16/2017 (Mon) 18:37:19 [Preview] No. 11258 del
Iran and Iraq are historically bitter rivals, but it would seem they're starting to cooperate lately.

The relationship between Kurds and Israel is more that Kurds want to lick Israel's boots in hope of getting something in return. So far, Israel has been supportive, but I don't think that's relevant in the big game.

Bernd 10/17/2017 (Tue) 05:17:16 [Preview] No. 11261 del
The future of Syria is still not clear. USA still could decide Assad has to go and a US (and Israel) friendly regime has to be installed there.

Bernd 10/17/2017 (Tue) 13:04:27 [Preview] No. 11267 del
Russia is fully committing to Syria, if not Assad. That Syria succumbs to American/Israeli influence while Russia has bases, jets, advanced AA, and advisers there is impossible.

Bernd 10/17/2017 (Tue) 18:51:37 [Preview] No. 11276 del
It's ogre, SDF have Raqqa.
>3,250 killed in Raqa battle, including 1,130 civilians: monitor
Some pockets of resistance remain and are waiting to be purged.

Bernd 10/24/2017 (Tue) 23:42:17 [Preview] No. 11427 del
Anyone following the Ottoman operations in Idlib? A while ago it was announced that the Turkish army (and supposedly, even the Russian Air Force) would support its loyal rebels against HTS, which is harder to deal with and refuses to obey Erdogan.

And these operations have another purpose- surrounding Afrin's Kurds. They're even clashing, though skirmishes between Turks and Kurds have happened for years in this war.

Bernd 10/25/2017 (Wed) 05:31:55 [Preview] No. 11430 del
>Anyone following the Ottoman operations in Idlib?
Probably BO.

These Turks want a slice of something. I'd bet a 100 HUF those fortifications at Dayr Sim'an are built against the Kurds.

Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 16:23:11 [Preview] No. 11465 del
eh nod really, I have been very busy lately and didn't have time to follow much

Bernd 11/09/2017 (Thu) 10:49:45 [Preview] No. 11794 del

Bernd 11/09/2017 (Thu) 16:20:17 [Preview] No. 11795 del
They have other bases elsewhere, don't they?

Bernd 11/09/2017 (Thu) 18:08:19 [Preview] No. 11797 del
ISIS branches in Afghanistan, the Philipines, the Sinai, Libya and so on are just local jihadi groups that pledged allegiance (bay'ah) to Baghdadi. In fact, the same holds true for some ISIS pockets in Syria isolated from the "core" territory.

Bernd 11/09/2017 (Thu) 18:25:08 [Preview] No. 11799 del
So they're small timers. Will Isis be finished with this? Will their movement resurrected elsewhere as someone's tool?

Bernd 11/09/2017 (Thu) 20:44:35 [Preview] No. 11803 del
They've spent many years as one of the minor groups holding no territory, so they'll just revert to that state and focus on terrorist acts and desert guerilla activity. But now they've definitively lost the mantle of foremost jihadi group; someone else will have the strength and boldness to lead a new group into the same spot in the future.

Bernd 11/19/2017 (Sun) 20:41:43 [Preview] No.12030 del
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I only wanted to post a screen with current situation.

Bernd 11/22/2017 (Wed) 06:24:00 [Preview] No.12073 del
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Looks like they wanna trap faggots inside Qurayyah and Asharah.

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There's been fighting on Hama and Damascus over the past few days. I guess the slightly slower pace at the border is due to some loyalist forces returning to western Syria.

Bernd 11/23/2017 (Thu) 06:20:43 [Preview] No.12098 del
Is there any info on the strength of the parties out there? Should be a list of units on SAA, an order of battle or some such and estimates on rebel forces too.

Bernd 11/24/2017 (Fri) 01:41:44 [Preview] No.12112 del
There are outdated estimates of the strength of each faction, see pic related. Getting orders of battle is much harder, though. For the rebels and SDF, we know of individual rebel groups and their coalitions, but not of the internal structure of these groups. An interesting thing is the territory held by each rebel group, which is largely uknown and only becomes apparent when they fight each other.

For the loyalists, the SAA's prewar order or battle is known, but that's not very useful. From the very beginning, political distrust, draft dodging and defections meant only a fraction of it was actually mobilized. The regime resorted to other sources of manpower, and thus the SAA has become just one of the several loyalist forces, together with foreign fighters (Hezbollah, Palestinians, Afghans, Iraqis, Russians and Iranians), local forces (NDF and tribes), private forces (Desert Hawks until their disbandment), sectarian or ideological militias (Ba'ath Brigades, Syrian resistance and the Shi'a and Druze militias) and so on.
There have been attempts to document its wartime order of battle, but they've always rapidly become outdated. But whenever there's a new battle, usually the units present are informed.

As for ISIS, I have no clue. All that's known are some specific rebel groups and tribes that pledged allegiance.

Bernd 11/24/2017 (Fri) 06:27:47 [Preview] No.12115 del
Thx. I'll check these out.

Bernd 11/24/2017 (Fri) 21:06:47 [Preview] No.12125 del
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Dolan phoned the Kayser-i Rûm for some serious discussions about the Middle East.

The most serious result was his pledge to stop arming the SDF:
>“President Trump instructed [his generals] in a very open way that the YPG will no longer be given weapons. He openly said that this absurdity should have ended much earlier,” Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told reporters after the phone call

Someone on Plebbit claimed that Trump would blackmail Erdogan by threatening to blacklist T*rkish banks that broke sanctions against Iran. However, all we know so far is that America gave a concession to Turkey, pledging to stop arming the YPG. See:

>“President Trump instructed [his generals] in a very open way that the YPG will no longer be given weapons. He openly said that this absurdity should have ended much earlier,” Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu told reporters after the phone call

Nothing was said about air support and military advisors, but this is already a victory for Erdogan. So Trump either traded this pledge + not blacklisting the banks for a greater concession from Turkey, or he didn't mention the banks and went for a smaller concession. Which likely consists of Turkey slowing down its buildup of relations with Russia and Iran.

sage Bernd 11/24/2017 (Fri) 21:07:33 [Preview] No.12126 del
fucked up the formatting real bad this time

Bernd 11/25/2017 (Sat) 08:07:05 [Preview] No.12127 del
Iran-Russia-Turkey tripoint when?

Bernd 11/27/2017 (Mon) 00:39:57 [Preview] No.12164 del
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SDF have reached the border and will now mop up ISIS in the desert.

More importantly, several sources have claimed that the SDF will merge with the SAA once the war is over and a deal is achieved.

Minor news: a panorama of how ruined Syrian infrastructure is.

Bernd 11/27/2017 (Mon) 00:41:59 [Preview] No.12165 del
The "federal system" is the PYD's hope for a decentralization reforms and more autonomy for the north. Assad has repeatedly stated that he wants to keep Arab power and centralized control, but Russia has proposed some level of decentralization and may thus secure it in a future peace deal.

Bernd 11/27/2017 (Mon) 17:38:01 [Preview] No.12176 del
What foreign powers will have a say in the Syrian peace? Maybe I read (when I read) one sided news but Russia, Turkey and Iran reserves this "burden" for themselves, meanwhile any other powers only can stand around and watch history pass them (especially the USA seems to be cucked hard).

Bernd 11/27/2017 (Mon) 20:31:19 [Preview] No.12182 del
Those three will still have to accept America to the peace talks or else they'll face retaliation elsewhere. Besides, the burgers still have bargaining chips - their base at the Jordanian border and their SDF allies.

Nonetheless, the course of this war since 2015 has humiliated Western powers and frustrated their ambitions.

Bernd 11/30/2017 (Thu) 13:26:30 [Preview] No.12221 del
Important proofs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=evswKLihqYM [Embed]

Bernd 11/30/2017 (Thu) 21:06:14 [Preview] No.12234 del
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>pasta factory reaches full capacity

There was a Soviet urban legend about pasta factories, that they would produce bullets in war times. And that most types of pasta has diameter of 7.62 because this.

As far as I know it isn't true though.

Bernd 12/01/2017 (Fri) 06:17:31 [Preview] No.12235 del
Are you sure it was pasta?
We have that urban legend about cigarette factories and canneries. The cig's diameter is 7.62 mm, the slim's is 5.56. The smaller can is grenade size, the larger one is 120mm.
Nevertheless it is true or not these urban legend reflects an age when factories were planned for easy change to wartime production.
We also had another aspect in the mix to have a great joge. The socialist regime in it's last two decades closed it's eyes - almost supported - when people "communized" stuff from their workplaces. So a saying emerged: "No matter what I stole from the factory when I assemble it at home, it's a T-34."

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Yes, cigarettes were in legend too. There is also versions about buttons (legend says they have autocannon caliber like 20 or 30 mm), vodka bottles (artillery shells) and even soap bricks (same size as some explosives).

I can't remember about canneries and it is look logical - canned food is required even at war as main type of food for soldiers, so these factories wouldn't change main product.

>Nevertheless it is true or not these urban legend reflects an age when factories were planned for easy change to wartime production.

It is true that factories will change production, but you can't actually make bullets on spaghetti- or cigaterre-making machine, and thing about diameters is mostly a lie. Technical process of making cigarette, pasta or bottle is pretty much different than same process for ammunition and related things.

More generic tools of factory will be surely used for war needs, but it isn't easy fast change.

>No matter what I stole from the factory when I assemble it at home, it's a T-34

Yes, same joke exist here.

>people "communized" stuff from their workplaces

And even same term for stealing from work.

Bernd 12/01/2017 (Fri) 13:21:58 [Preview] No.12243 del
>when people "communized" stuff from their workplaces
I've heard "luchar" (literally "to fight") is an euphemism for that in Cuba.

Bernd 12/02/2017 (Sat) 07:23:07 [Preview] No.12260 del
>thing about diameters is mostly a lie
Mostly not. The cigarette really is 7.62 and the slim is 5.56.
That's been said cigarettes are war materials as well and needs to be produced in wartime.

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Not Syria, but close enough:


Have the Houthis just shot themselves in the foot?

Bernd 12/04/2017 (Mon) 17:00:42 [Preview] No.12297 del
>shot themselves in the foot?
Being the (ex-)leader it's more like a headshot.

>fighters cried "Praise to Allah!"
What an unexpected turn of events.

Bernd 12/04/2017 (Mon) 17:28:49 [Preview] No.12300 del
Fuck, should I buy oil and hope for a full scale war in the Gulf?

Bernd 12/04/2017 (Mon) 19:39:17 [Preview] No.12306 del
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>doing side deals with Al-Qaeda
Without the knowledge if the US. Very talented person indeed.

>This alliance was as extraordinary and even more cynical as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that consummated the deal between Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, the leaders of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, on the eve of World War Two in 1939.
>The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

Bernd 12/04/2017 (Mon) 21:23:26 [Preview] No.12308 del
It is pretty fun that word "terrorist" is used in this context now. ISIS in Syria couldn't be really called terrorists because full scale rebellion/civil war/insurgency/whatever is not terrorism in original meaning, even if it conducted by organization that supports terror acts abroad. Or you may call Germans from WW2 terrorists too (from Allied point of view).

Looks like American "war on terror" did a good work, now every bad dude is terrorist. Will we see terrorists as nation in future?

Bernd 12/04/2017 (Mon) 23:08:16 [Preview] No.12312 del
Technically even Somaliland is a terrorist entity with no legitimacy in the eyes of legalistic "international relations" fags.

Bernd 12/05/2017 (Tue) 17:46:11 [Preview] No.12315 del
They just throwing around arbitrary terms in the hope of demonizing the enemy and justifying their own actions in the eye of the public. "Terrorist" is the new Nazi. Well, not really new it's going on for a while now.

Bernd 12/05/2017 (Tue) 23:15:39 [Preview] No.12366 del
Ye it's like how Germans called our resistance during WW2 "bandits".

Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 06:09:24 [Preview] No.12373 del
Wait. Slovenia had resistance?

Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 08:24:07 [Preview] No.12377 del
Yea, coopted by commies. But established separately from general Yugoslav partisans, about a month earlier, and only later internally coup'd by commies.

Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 16:38:03 [Preview] No.12386 del

Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 16:49:10 [Preview] No.12387 del
Great. Now the leftover fighters of those units can swarm into Europe to form terrorist cells.

Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 17:01:48 [Preview] No.12388 del
Ebin, however map shows some teritories are still under isis control

Bernd 12/07/2017 (Thu) 17:42:55 [Preview] No.12425 del

What are the Kurds up to? They previously claimed that Russia wasn't operating east of the Euphrates.

Bernd 12/07/2017 (Thu) 18:52:18 [Preview] No.12428 del
They probably trying to secure a chair at the conference table so they try to be more cordial with the other concerned parties I guess.

Bernd 12/08/2017 (Fri) 17:26:19 [Preview] No.12448 del
I've two more thing to add.
An organization can be viewed as terrorist depending how it treats the civilian populace. For example a guerrilla group who (deliberately) attacks civilian targets isn't guerrilla anymore but terrorist.
Then the scale on a group works doesn't really matters. Even states can be considered terrorist if they use terror (inducing crippling fear in the civilians to make them obey, a more or less typical example is Hungary in the first half of the 1950's) on the populace.
So with that in mind I would say ISIS can be called as a terrorist organization.

Bernd 12/08/2017 (Fri) 17:42:14 [Preview] No.12449 del
You can blame the EU's forced migration policy for that. Didn't have to happen now did it?

Bernd 12/08/2017 (Fri) 17:44:46 [Preview] No.12450 del
Who wants to be a part of the new "United States of Europe" plan? Anyone... anyone...?

Bernd 12/08/2017 (Fri) 18:10:23 [Preview] No.12451 del
Not exactly new. It has some advantages but national identity would suffer on the long run and no basis to form an European identity which could take that place over. Without that there won't be any will in the people to preserve that political unit and this would make it susceptible to foreign attacks. This would be the end of USE some other state/states would form on the ashes assimilating those who left.

Bernd 12/13/2017 (Wed) 13:23:56 [Preview] No.12565 del
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KC tier article about the source of ISIS weapons, including its ersatz military industry.

Bernd 12/18/2017 (Mon) 17:51:24 [Preview] No.12628 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_4zXI0X8Brc [Embed]
This short film was released few weeks ago. It's about war with isis-related organizations in Philippines.

Bernd 12/18/2017 (Mon) 18:13:28 [Preview] No.12630 del
>extraordinary men of courage and determination step up to the challenge and liberate the oppressed
Puked a little.
However I would feed the same to ones who have to do what's necessary. And even feel the same.

Bernd 12/21/2017 (Thu) 17:38:15 [Preview] No.12675 del
Loyalist-rebel fighting is back in full force. Besides some other clashes, fighting is mostly taking place on three fronts: the greater Idlib area, attacked from the south (where Suheil al-Hassan has arrived recently) and east, and the Beit Jenn pocket near the Golan Heights.

Bernd 12/21/2017 (Thu) 17:47:59 [Preview] No.12676 del
I found this funny, posted on the main news board:

Ultimate Irony: Syrian Army Using US Weapons Captured From ISIS To Defend Syrian Land


Bernd 12/21/2017 (Thu) 18:33:20 [Preview] No.12677 del
Well, karma is always there to bite you in the ass.

Bernd 12/26/2017 (Tue) 12:42:46 [Preview] No.12735 del
What is situation on Assad-YPG line? Will there be peace? Will they allow assad to purge the green areas now?

Bernd 12/26/2017 (Tue) 17:01:24 [Preview] No.12741 del
>What is situation on Assad-YPG line?
The truce still holds.

>Will there be peace?
Assad has repeatedly stated his intention to crush Rojava, but its ultimate fate rests on whatever Russia, Turkey and America agree on.

>Will they allow assad to purge the green areas now?
He's already doing it.

Apparently rebels in the Beit Jenn pocket have already negotiated their surrender and evacuation with the government.

Bernd 12/26/2017 (Tue) 20:28:38 [Preview] No.12745 del

Bernd 12/27/2017 (Wed) 07:39:50 [Preview] No.12749 del
>Definition of gay
>a : happily excited : merry - in a gay mood
>b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits - a bird's gay spring song
Death have never been more cheerful.

Bernd 12/27/2017 (Wed) 16:29:31 [Preview] No.12759 del

Erdogan has changed his rhetoric and is now back to criticizing Assad. What's going on? He had previously been drifting towards the Russian side. Turkey's true intentions are difficult to ascertain while it constantly goes back and forth between America and Russia.

Bernd 12/27/2017 (Wed) 19:15:25 [Preview] No.12764 del
The weapons of IS (downloadable pdf):
Hungary is on the proud 4th place.

Bernd 12/28/2017 (Thu) 21:46:39 [Preview] No.12775 del

Bernd 01/10/2018 (Wed) 17:09:00 [Preview] No.12992 del
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Are they trying to cut the rebel in half or just want to take the airbase at Abu ad Duhur?

Bernd 01/10/2018 (Wed) 18:01:07 [Preview] No.12993 del

Bernd 01/10/2018 (Wed) 19:01:44 [Preview] No.12995 del
This government attack is very problematic. It displaced 100 000 civilians. We have to open the borders for them it's our humanitarian duty in the name of European Values.

Bernd 01/11/2018 (Thu) 17:28:04 [Preview] No.13007 del
needs more sad kids

I see Assad moved his troops that fighted isis and used full force about rebels. I have expected something on kurdish-syrian border but as for now there's nothing. Article mentions Assad wants to take back control of 100% of the land, which means he will have to do something about kurds eventually. Also Russia was against that offensive, but will they actually do something to stop it?

Bernd 01/12/2018 (Fri) 00:07:08 [Preview] No.13025 del
>I see Assad moved his troops that fighted isis
Not just his own troops. Now that the war in Iraq is over, Iraqi Shia militias and Iranian assets previously tied over the border are now back to Syria.

>Article mentions Assad wants to take back control of 100% of the land, which means he will have to do something about kurds eventually.
He wants to crush Rojavathe "Democratic Federation of Northern Syria", but there'll be nothing he'll be able to do if America, Russia, Iran and Turkey decide that there should be an autonomous region or if America decides to prop up its sphereling by keeping a permanent military presence there -a real possibility, though it'd push Erdogan even further away into the Russo-Iranian side.

>but will they actually do something to stop it?
They can stop doing air strikes.

Bernd 01/12/2018 (Fri) 07:20:23 [Preview] No.13028 del
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>but will they actually do something to stop it?

They can ask Assad to stop and it is in his interests to do it.

Assad did many stupid things in the past (alienating Kurds was a mistake for example), and he clearly knows that going against will of main supporter is a pretty bad move. Dreaming about big united Syria is fun, but he technically couldn't make it, it is obvious, he barely survived war with local jihadist.

Although sometimes I think that stupidity of Middle Easterners isn't a joke or a stereotype.

Bernd 01/13/2018 (Sat) 10:57:51 [Preview] No.13037 del
>needs more sad kids
Also /r/ing the photoguy (see picrel) template/exploitable version. Maybe someone has it.
I searched 7chan/gfx/, ED/ohexploitable, 4chan's boards related in any way with photos or graphics, and my ancient chanfolder on some hdd gathering dust where I found some pictures with him but no template sadly. I tried to make one out of the lonely one with the acceptable resolution but he don't has the whole shoe on his visible leg which limits his usage.

Bernd 01/13/2018 (Sat) 16:53:03 [Preview] No.13038 del
>great meme
>moves dead baby
>for better shot
>sends to web domain who makes shitload of money of dead baby picture
>through their shitty news org

Bernd 01/13/2018 (Sat) 20:09:45 [Preview] No.13043 del
Almost there

Bernd 01/14/2018 (Sun) 12:21:00 [Preview] No.13053 del
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It looks like rebels launched a counterattack behind the main SAA force slogging toward the airfield. They might want to ambitiously cut them off or they try to divert attention and bait the government forces to commit more units on that part of the front which could delaying the airfield's occupation and slow the northward advancement. This would give some time to the rebels for evacuating their forces from the eastern pocket.
Too bad I dunno how units are deployed.

Bernd 01/14/2018 (Sun) 22:06:00 [Preview] No.13064 del

Bernd 01/15/2018 (Mon) 16:35:38 [Preview] No.13071 del
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So in the west on the Khuwayn front the rebels has the upper hand for now and on the east side of the Abu ad Duhur salient ISIS became active attacking both government and rebel forces. SAA advances stopped it seems after they gulped a big green blob NE from the airport. They want to control that road coming from Aleppo and cut through the rebels along it. Might be the only usable supply and transportation route there.

Bernd 01/15/2018 (Mon) 19:22:26 [Preview] No.13072 del
So do we have a failed blitzkrieg?

Bernd 01/15/2018 (Mon) 19:59:56 [Preview] No.13077 del
I would say not yet. I think the SAA sorts it's lines, regroups. I dunno when they started this offensive but this is the fifth day we follow it. It might be still early.

Bernd 01/17/2018 (Wed) 06:32:32 [Preview] No.13112 del
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Still nothing.
Bombing campaign against the rebels but the targets don't really seem to be fighting units. Of course they can be other military targets, HQ's, ammo depots etc.
Some movement in the north.
A railroad is running very close to the rebels. Is it still in working order? Maybe it needs to be some securing first?

Bernd 01/17/2018 (Wed) 18:11:09 [Preview] No.13122 del
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Suddenly ISIS active as fuck, soon cutting off the spearhead of SAA at the airport. South of them that red truck is government reinforcement heading north, I think it's earlier event than the ISIS action so those units now might be north of the black area.
The SAA started something at the road NE from the airport tho.

Bernd 01/17/2018 (Wed) 18:16:55 [Preview] No.13123 del
"30,000 new forces" would be enough to do it I suppose!

Bernd 01/17/2018 (Wed) 18:29:47 [Preview] No.13124 del
Is that a reference to something? Link or a summary?

Bernd 01/18/2018 (Thu) 00:02:43 [Preview] No.13137 del
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Is anyone following the situation in Afrin? Erdogan was made bombastic statements about crushing it, Turkish reinforcements have showed up at its borders and rebels exchanged shellings and skirmished with the YPG. All of this happens every once in a while and then deescalates, but now America has declared it doesn't care and the SDF has sent reinforcements through regime territory. This is most likely just Erdogan attention whoring as usual, but perhaps it'll be more than that.

Jihadi Julian was butthurt at that ISIS pocket's existence. Now he's just clueless.

Bernd 01/18/2018 (Thu) 06:30:06 [Preview] No.13140 del
>Is anyone following the situation in Afrin?
Barely. You summed up what I know. Some border clashes with the promise of escalation while Erdogan playing tuff guy.

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 12:53:24 [Preview] No.13169 del
It's only escalating. Syria has threatened to fight back any Turkish intrusion, but that's just rhetoric. America has asked Erdogan to back down, but that's also rhetoric. Turkey's defense minister has just said that they have no other option and the operation has de facto started. What is relevant is that, after some talks between Russians and Turks, Russia has evacuated Afrin. Is Erdogan serious this time?

>flags with Apo's face
>w-we've got nothing to do with the PKK!

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 13:32:40 [Preview] No.13170 del
>Al-Mayadeen says Russian troops have not withdrawn and have set up new observation points in Tell 'Ajar east of Afrin
Moved out of the way?

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 17:17:37 [Preview] No.13174 del
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Suddenly everyone's busy everywhere.

At that pocket SAA resumed the offensive with a detour. The resistance could be too much on that main road?
Meanwhile ISIS takes over that area. In the place of the rebels I would withdraw my troops out of there asap. If they do that then it's more understandable the ISIS' advance.
Where does ISIS gets it's supplies from? Where do they get it in that particular area? They need food, ammo, medicine, clothing, weapons, spare parts, other equipment. That area doesn't seem to be the largest producers of goods. Of course the warring parties take each others stuff as spoils of war but still.

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 17:20:51 [Preview] No.13175 del
Oh I forgot the German rapper! What's up with that?

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 20:35:39 [Preview] No.13177 del
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Yeah I am curious too. Last I heard, 2015 or so, ISIS was going to kill him for marrying a spy, so he was trying to get asylum back in Germany. Deso Dogg is the name, btw.

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 20:55:43 [Preview] No.13179 del
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Leddit already has a megathread on the Afrin, and the first reports are already showing up of casualties and skirmishes. It's happening.

>Suddenly everyone's busy everywhere.
Pic related is the weather at Idlib province. Maybe that's part of why the main battle stalled for a while.

>Where does ISIS gets it's supplies from? Where do they get it in that particular area?
Some of it is smuggled and some is bought from corrupt besieger officers. Besieged areas even have some level of civilian trade going on. See, for instance:


>Abu Ayman is a trader from the city of Mesraba near Douma and continues to run a dairy there. He supplies Eastern Ghouta with food and fuel, relying on personal relations with regime officials to get his supplies checkpoints through the Harasta checkpoint (northeast of Damascus city). He then delivers the products to customers in the city, charging prices up to 20 times higher than in Damascus.
>Merchants send and receive supply orders on opposite ends of the tunnel. The battalions allow goods to pass through the tunnels in exchange for a percentage of the sale value, which varies by type of good.

Bernd 01/19/2018 (Fri) 20:56:52 [Preview] No.13180 del
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wrong picture

Bernd 01/20/2018 (Sat) 16:43:49 [Preview] No.13191 del

Bernd 01/20/2018 (Sat) 22:44:30 [Preview] No.13194 del
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They're bringing in their Syrian rebel lackeys as cannon fodder.

Bernd 01/21/2018 (Sun) 07:29:55 [Preview] No.13195 del
>If others can die instead of you why would you endanger yourself?
T*rk proverb

Bernd 01/21/2018 (Sun) 09:20:29 [Preview] No.13197 del
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Bernd 01/21/2018 (Sun) 16:58:15 [Preview] No.13202 del
meanwhile on r/syriancivilwar

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 01:02:40 [Preview] No.13232 del
Lol. Anyone noticed that on liveuamap, East Prussia is marked as Russian occupation?

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 01:36:20 [Preview] No.13233 del
yes lmao
is there even any serious voice from germany saying that they want it back?

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 07:16:00 [Preview] No.13235 del

I'm more amused that they marked Tuva, although in slightly different color. Why? I can't find any explanation.

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 16:42:04 [Preview] No.13240 del
Oh, on russia.liveuamap? bc East Prussia is marked on the Ukraine map for some reason, as is Baykonur (reasonable I guess).

I guess the annexation of Tuvan People's Republic in 1944 had dubious legality, since instead of joining Soviet Union as a separate republic it was simply absorbed into Russia. But same could be said about Karelo-Finnish SSR, I guess? Though that move was supposed to symbolise that Soviet Union didn't also intend to push claims over the rest of Finland, joining it into the SSR.

I see Tatarstan is marked too. Even more confused why.

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 17:18:51 [Preview] No.13244 del
On europe.liveuamap too.

>I guess the annexation of Tuvan People's Republic in 1944 had dubious legality, since instead of joining Soviet Union as a separate republic it was simply absorbed into Russia

It is pretty strange reason. It is absorbed into RSFSR as national republic (it is too small to be proper union member) and it also happened peacefully. And Tuvans had no separatism at all, maybe because they are located in very remote place where government has no proper control at all.

Tuva is very dangerous and criminal place, it has murder rate on par with South American top (few years ago it was 80 murders for 100k, now it is only near 50), but nobody cares because it is remote place where only unlucky people live. I guess most of Russians don't even know that Tuva exists.

But if you want to mark problematic regions of Russia, Tuva isn't on top at all. It is the Caucasus that may be marked as big red spot.

>I see Tatarstan is marked too. Even more confused why.

It can be explained easily: recently there was big conflict between local elites and federal center about teaching Tatar language in schools. It was required before, but now it is only Russian, and Tatar is additional and non-required. It was a big thing in media here, especially considering that Tatarstan elites were very influential before Putin, and have some influence now. Region is also pretty developed and powerful, and known for its mild nationalism.

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 17:33:07 [Preview] No.13245 del
>It can be explained easily: recently there was big conflict between local elites and federal center about teaching Tatar language in schools. It was required before, but now it is only Russian, and Tatar is additional and non-required. It was a big thing in media here, especially considering that Tatarstan elites were very influential before Putin, and have some influence now. Region is also pretty developed and powerful, and known for its mild nationalism.
Ah cool, thx for info.

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 20:45:49 [Preview] No.13250 del

T*rks and K*rds are chimping out against each other abroad

Bernd 01/22/2018 (Mon) 20:55:39 [Preview] No.13251 del
the usual then kek
I wonder if I'll see them at it in München when I go there on Friday

Bernd 01/23/2018 (Tue) 06:27:59 [Preview] No.13254 del
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Sometimes I see on this map habbenings with "unconfirmed" or similar label. What counts confirmed to their standards?
I hope the Kurds will hold on and get their own state sometimes.

Bernd 01/25/2018 (Thu) 09:50:48 [Preview] No.13293 del
>White House Homeland Security Adviser Bossert says would prefer if for now Turkey would remove itself from the conflict in Afrin, Syria
<Turkish Foreign Minister announces his country's refusal to discuss the safe area in Syria with Washington

Bernd 01/25/2018 (Thu) 11:20:31 [Preview] No.13294 del
Kebab isn't going to remove itself.

Bernd 01/25/2018 (Thu) 22:16:30 [Preview] No.13313 del
Turkish German tanks in Syria.

Would Turks use their new Altay tanks for proper battle testing? At least it would be interesting, because this madmax-style war mixed with airstrikes is boring.

Bernd 01/25/2018 (Thu) 23:48:41 [Preview] No.13314 del
nice tanks, they do reminded me of tigers a bit

Bernd 01/26/2018 (Fri) 19:14:34 [Preview] No.13330 del
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On the Syria nothing new. The airport is secured by the SAA, the situation around Afrin didn't changed a lot. More dead I presume.

Yeah, it has that angular look on it's turret.

Maybe they are afraid their shiny new steel is gonna get dirty or new holes.

Bernd 01/27/2018 (Sat) 14:49:20 [Preview] No.13348 del
So neither US nor Russia supports Turkey's "intervention" in Syria. But wouldn't really stop it maybe not even a "deeply concerning" would be said. Did Turkey commit her troops (beside artillery and air force) or she just uses Syrian rebels against the Kurds?

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 00:42:03 [Preview] No.13360 del
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>But wouldn't really stop it maybe not even a "deeply concerning" would be said

If USA troops would stay in Manbij region, Turks couldn't do much, so Americans can stop any Turkish action. Would they do it? I think eastern Kurdish part will be protected, there is no profit for Americans to give that part to Turkey. They may allow Turks to get Afrin region just to make Turkey happier in this conflict and get some diplomatic problems solved.

>nor Russia supports Turkey's "intervention" in Syria

Russia actually doesn't care. Kurds aren't best friends of Russia and Assad, they are supported by USA, so idea is to let USA care about it. Looks like there is agreement that Russia stops caring about intervention and Turkey stops caring about Assad messing with Idlib. It's good for both.

>Did Turkey commit her troops (beside artillery and air force) or she just uses Syrian rebels against the Kurds?

Looks like it is mostly rebels like in previous operation, and scale isn't really big. Turkey surely uses some of land forces though, mostly for operations near border.

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 08:13:26 [Preview] No.13361 del
So basically Russia wouldn't lift a finger to help the Kurds and the US while the Americans would stay in the area it's uncertain what would they do.
I think giving parts from a country to another never was a possibility we discussed the myth of the sanctity of the current borders elsewhere and as far as I know the great powers making decisions imagine the region with Kurdish majority remains as a part of Syria after the war is over.
But a Kurdish dominated autonomous region would endanger Turkey herself. The Kurd minority (about 15 million people) in Turkey could get help from there and could led ... maybe even to a war of independence in Turkey. A new source of conflict destabilizing the region again. And Turkey is an important NATO member and the neighbour of Russia. They sure won't allow such things to happen.
So not giving North-Syria to Turkey but maybe they could just let them in for a little. You know a little bit of policing, peacekeeping, genociding. Not much, just about enough.

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 09:32:24 [Preview] No.13362 del
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>I think giving parts from a country to another never was a possibility we discussed the myth of the sanctity of the current borders elsewhere

Yes, it is 2018 and changing borders is no-no. But they can easily make multiple "autonomous regions" or something that will be technically independent. Concept of self-proclaimed states, like Transnistria, is working, and may work for long time.

So, if situation wouldn't change much, there will be "real" Syria with Assad (and international community will shit on him every year, but who cares), Kurdish/SDF-controlled region in northwest with great autonomy and Turksh-controlled region in North too. Although every actor in this play tries to cut more good things for himself, so everything may change.

>But a Kurdish dominated autonomous region would endanger Turkey herself.

Main problem that this region already exists as result of current war. So now Turkey has few choices: 1) allow Assad to control it again 2) control it by itself 3) do nothing.

First is not so good because Assad isn't friendly to Turkey, and he may allow Kurds to be half-independent to prevent another conflict. Americans also don't want to give this to Syria or Turkey, and Assad has no power, he already has large amount of problems without Kurds.
Second is best: Turks install some "free government" with controlled "FSA" people, and can control border and local customs heavily. It will be problematic region, but at least somewhat controlled.
Third is more honest (don't messing with this shit at all), but creates hostile autonomous region without any control, even without Assad who can try pacify the Kurds. Turkey surely doesn't want it.

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 09:47:50 [Preview] No.13363 del
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Also sometimes I go and read comments on events at liveuamap to make my brain rest.

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 10:24:37 [Preview] No.13364 del
>there will be "real" Syria with Assad
>1) allow Assad to control it again
Even on the Iranian-Russian-Turkish meeting after the ISIS was reduced to it's current size they agreed on something like: in the end peace will be without Assad.
>Second is best: Turks install some "free government" with controlled "FSA" people, and can control border and local customs heavily.
That's why America won't do anything to stop them. Turkey won't annex the region (she isn't allowed anyway) but still the old regime wouldn't be restored and the area would be under the supervision of a close ally of the USA. After a good cleansing, I'm sure the Turks could find some war criminals to execute.

Turkiye my greatest ally.

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 14:17:48 [Preview] No.13366 del
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Isn't liveuamap banned in the Ottoman Empire?

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 14:56:29 [Preview] No.13367 del
>pocket still not crushed
come on assad, make guderian proud

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 18:52:44 [Preview] No.13369 del
Those are coming straight outta KC main right?

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 19:22:40 [Preview] No.13375 del
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>Even on the Iranian-Russian-Turkish meeting after the ISIS was reduced to it's current size they agreed on something like: in the end peace will be without Assad.

They may replace Assad with someone from his circle, but really government will remain the same. Or maybe they wouldn't replace him at all because anti-Assad rhetoric already goes down because Trump administration stopped caring.

>Kemal vegeta


Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 19:32:06 [Preview] No.13376 del
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Sorry, can't stop myself

Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 20:42:18 [Preview] No.13377 del
>kebab extra piquant

Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 09:38:37 [Preview] No.13501 del
Turkish inflatable tank used to fool some TOW operator.

Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 10:22:12 [Preview] No.13504 del
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Some update, showing that map rarely worth checking.
The SAA is pushing forward from the re-captured Abu al-Duhur and it's airfield.
Afrin is sames as before. What's up Turkey?

Bernd 02/08/2018 (Thu) 06:21:58 [Preview] No.13572 del
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Oh well, let's take a look at Syria.
SAA begin to finish the ISIS pocket and started to push toward Idlib. I saw few days ago a report that they resupplied that pocket NE from Idlib by airplanes.

Bernd 02/08/2018 (Thu) 11:05:25 [Preview] No.13574 del

Bernd 02/08/2018 (Thu) 12:38:36 [Preview] No.13575 del
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There's been some dangerous escalation in DeZ. Loyalists attacked a SDF HQ where burgers were present and they reacted with an airstrike. This incident resembles the standoff at al-Tanf.

Bernd 02/08/2018 (Thu) 17:23:36 [Preview] No.13578 del
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Haha, they'll never finish with Afrin.

What? Why?

Bernd 02/09/2018 (Fri) 12:47:21 [Preview] No.13586 del
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The ISIS pocket in Hama is over, and its fighters are now desperately fighting their way to rebel territory. Julian Röpcke is extremely butthurt at this development.

Meanwhile, it seems the main Turkish thrust towards Afrin city has been set in motion. As the map in >>13137 shows, a southwestern offensive passing through Jandaris has the best possible terrain. The other Turkish incursions further north are probably just there to put Olive Branch's numerical advantage to good use and force the Kurds to stretch themselves thin.

>What? Why?
Apparently this was done on the initiative of local forces rather than orders from above. It's just one of a series of skirmishes that occasionally happen between loyalists and Kurds -their truce is merely a strategic move, and they hate each other as much as they hate the Arab rebels.

Bernd 02/10/2018 (Sat) 07:44:30 [Preview] No.13600 del
Two proofs for this morning. To be honest I'm yet to read the one about Turkey.

The livemap shows lots of activity on all sites.

>It's just one of a series of skirmishes that occasionally happen between loyalists and Kurds
So the situation is similar to what went down between Romania and Hungary during WWII. Constant border clashes were fought, basically a war was waged, except no heavy weapons were used and the front didn't move. Attacks and counterattacks, incidents and mischief all initiated by local forces sometimes on the level of patrols.

Bernd 02/11/2018 (Sun) 14:19:36 [Preview] No.13617 del
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Some parts of Russian internet are filled with horror stories about 200+ deaths from Wagner CHVK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

Although sources are pretty special, and authors often are anti-government anti-west conspiracy theorists (those who say that Putin is a pro-western liberal etc).

I don't think that this was sanctioned from Russian side because it is too stupid to attack Americans right now.

Bernd 02/11/2018 (Sun) 17:27:21 [Preview] No.13622 del
If that 200+ death toll is true then they fucked up something big time. Mercenaries do this for a living and not for a dying so they tend to be careful and professional.

Bernd 02/11/2018 (Sun) 20:33:36 [Preview] No.13629 del
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Sources say that these mercenaries had no experience with situation when enemy has proper modern artillery and air superiority.

While local bearded jihadis already know how to move spreaded by small groups, these guys moved in one big column without any antiair support. A bad decision against real modern army as enemy.

Although there is no proofs about anything there.

Bernd 02/12/2018 (Mon) 06:37:11 [Preview] No.13637 del
>these mercenaries had no experience with situation when enemy has proper modern artillery and air superiority.
That would make sense.
Mercenaries choose easy service where they could look manly by bulling enemy with sticks. This way they could show off as a fighting force.
As I wrote they do this for a living.
The expectation of their employer is that they would die for the money he gives.
However the mercenary expects to spend said money and for that he has to live. So he'll avoid risky jobs and situations, sometimes lies the danger bigger than it is. So he won't know how to act in certain situation.
But because of this this is all wrong for the same reason they would have avoided this fight.
And - according to wiki - they should have previous military knowhow in considerable amount.
So without actual proofs these news really are almost nothing. Horror stories as you put it.

Bernd 02/13/2018 (Tue) 02:04:03 [Preview] No.13647 del
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Skirmishes continue in DeZ, with a member of the NAZBOL GANG perishing in combat.

The T*rks contine their offensive at a snail's pace and will swiftly conquer all of Afrin by 2030. In an amusing move, they've also renamed the street where the US embassy in Ankara is located to "Olive Branch".

The awkward remnants of the ISIS pocket are putting more pressure into rebel lines to find a new home.

Al-Masdar reports there's a new loyalist offensive towards the Rastan pocket.

Bernd 02/13/2018 (Tue) 16:08:39 [Preview] No.13650 del
Proof of Russian heroism in syria war
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ws_XWEZTwTw [Embed]

TERRORISTS Bernd 02/13/2018 (Tue) 16:45:44 [Preview] No.13651 del
Do those terrorists make execution videos or just the other terrorists do it? Because this type of videos these terrorists make are a very good counterargument when someone has to decide to surrender to the terrorists or not.
Nevertheless these terrorists got what they deserved from the heroic Russian pilot when he refused to surrender to the terrorists and continued the fight against the terrorists and take out himself killing more terrorists.
It does seem the Russian administration kinda has to sweat to justify why Russian soldiers die in a foreign country, doesn't it.

Bernd 02/13/2018 (Tue) 17:23:42 [Preview] No.13652 del
>nicknamed "Moskva"
Well at least not that edgy like Красный жнец or sumtin.

>hey've also renamed the street where the US embassy in Ankara is located to "Olive Branch".
Srsly? What was like the American diplomats' face when they heard about it?

Bernd 02/13/2018 (Tue) 23:48:58 [Preview] No.13663 del
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>like Красный жнец

Lol. Actually, most of these nicknames in military are callsigns for radio, so they rarely composed from long words.

Also word "жнец" is relatively rare used in common speak now, and rarely has same death-like associations as English "reaper". You may see it more in translations than in modern native texts.

Bernd 02/14/2018 (Wed) 06:15:29 [Preview] No.13664 del
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So it means a person who do agricultural work with a scythe? What's the translation to death-reaper?

I bet that footage is a staged shot.

All right so France would go on a strike. If we manage the same with Germany (while we get rid of Britain) the EU is set for actual cooperation and success.

Bernd 02/14/2018 (Wed) 07:22:04 [Preview] No.13665 del

Yes. Image of death also is a skeleton in dark robe with a scythe, but word death (смерть) is feminine, so she often called "old woman with scythe", not reaper (that is masculine word here).

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Bernd 02/14/2018 (Wed) 10:44:26 [Preview] No.13667 del
Of course feminine word for reaper exists (жница), but I've never ever seen this usage related to death. It is masculine reaper when they translate "grim reaper", or old woman but not "reaper" in native texts.

Bernd 02/14/2018 (Wed) 13:23:30 [Preview] No.13668 del
Yeah, but here it actually is used in that context. Though simply smrt is more common, even as a personification.

Bernd 02/14/2018 (Wed) 21:28:09 [Preview] No.13675 del
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>Syrian Army deploys massive reinforcements to Deir Ezzor for all-out offensive against US-backed forces

Are they suicidal so much? I don't get it.

Maybe spring depression comes early in Syria.

Bernd 02/15/2018 (Thu) 01:19:09 [Preview] No.13678 del
Hopefully they're just bluffing.

Bernd 02/15/2018 (Thu) 16:06:16 [Preview] No.13682 del
Is he on Erdogan's payroll?

Bernd 02/15/2018 (Thu) 16:22:35 [Preview] No.13683 del
So the Turks just move in and cockblock the SAA's forced penetration toward Idlib?

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Now this is somewhat interesting.
Turks are bringing more reinforcement to Afrin while their offensive is slower than the Allies' in Italy in WWII. 4th Stronkest NATO member my ass Haha, Slovenia weak. Nevermind. But. At Afrin 2nd picrel while at Deir ez-Zor 3rd picrel.
It seems SAA and the Turkish are running a race for Afrin and YPG is willing to hold up the Turks until government forces arrive.

Bernd 02/17/2018 (Sat) 11:03:59 [Preview] No.13710 del
Just czeched KC main and it seems USians killed 30000 Russians in Syria.

Bernd 02/17/2018 (Sat) 14:53:34 [Preview] No.13713 del
They have been talking about the possibility for a while but YPG always denies any such thing. However, if Syria has to become openly hostile with Turkey to retake Idlib then they may as well send forces north and help the Kurds too.

Bernd 02/19/2018 (Mon) 06:36:39 [Preview] No.13733 del
Even RT couldn't come up with proofs yet.
So they held talks that's for sure, the YPG claims they have a deal, which understandable as they can use the news to delay Turks and their allies. Syrian government said nothing, maybe because they haven't reached agreement yet and time works for them as the longer they delay the Kurds will be more desperate and give in for less.
Anyway the region is rightful Syrian clay, so the Turks couldn't enter there without violating Syria's sovereignty. Probably that's why they use their rebel allies as ground forces and they might be just shelling and sending airstrikes (I might be wrong here I dunno what's the Turkish army really do, in the map here >>13707 there's a blue gun in the north east, I don't remember that piece news itself, I also don't know what those Turkish observation points really influence in this situation).
For the SAA Afrin could be a new direction toward Idlib.
>The offensive will allow some 500,000 displaced Syrians to return to their homes in Afrin
Please no, send them to EU, we need more doctors and engineers.

Bernd 02/20/2018 (Tue) 18:48:01 [Preview] No.13761 del
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It's still unsure what's gonna happen in Afrin but it appears the Kurds there and Damascus made a deal.

Of course no Russian military personnel died on the Deir ez-Zor front, evil Americans are killing tourists and businessmen.

Bernd 02/21/2018 (Wed) 21:55:05 [Preview] No.13789 del
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Much more interesting is what would Russia do if SAA and Afrin Kurds made deal. Would it confront Turkey directly with air support? I guess not, "big" countries try to avoid others in this conflict, it is serious political thing. Talks between Russia and Turkey in Astana also happened recently and it looks like they have some agreement already.

Will it be independent action of Assad, like SAA+YPG vs FSA+Turkey while others (USA, Russia) watch? Or Turkey will stop in border regions (sometimes it looks like that was the plan) and it will be FSA-only fight?

Bernd 02/21/2018 (Wed) 23:18:17 [Preview] No.13791 del
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Those NDF fighters defended the Nubl and Zahraa pocket for years, with Afrin as their only non-hostile borders. From their perspective, this participation is also a form of returning the favor.

It won't be enough, though, as the roaches keep advancing. I've noticed a pattern: they're focusing on securing the border rather than following the most logical invasion route (Jindires->Afrin). Maybe the T*rkish backup plan in the event of a failure is to at least have a buffer zone at the border? Erdogan would then be claim a "victory" due to PKK-tied forces no longer being at his border, which was the casus belli all along.

What makes this strange is that Turkey had been diplomatically drifting closer to Russia for a while.

There are more news: East Ghouta is getting bombed hard as a massive offensive begins. To the north, rebels in the Greater Idlib have once again returned to their daily routine of infighting, with the "Syrian Liberation Front" (3-day old merger of Ahrar al-Sham and the al-Zenki movement) attacking HTS.

Bernd 02/22/2018 (Thu) 01:09:42 [Preview] No.13793 del
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>What makes this strange is that Turkey had been diplomatically drifting closer to Russia for a while.

Turkey-Russia relations are very strange at all. Turks were friendly, then they shot down Russian plane (and this wasn't an accident), then suddenly friendly again. Was Erdogan so afraid after that coup so he is ready to piss NATO allies? Or American support of Kurds angered him so much?

>Maybe the T*rkish backup plan in the event of a failure is to at least have a buffer zone at the border?

I think this was the plan from start. Maybe Turkish army isn't the best army in the world, but they surely could take Afrin in a week or two if they decided to push seriously. Also these sudden observation posts. Pretty shady activities.

Bernd 02/22/2018 (Thu) 18:26:22 [Preview] No.13799 del
The situation has it's piquancy. Now that Daesh is reduced to almost insignificant levels nice little love triangle is going on in Syria.
On one side of the coin there's the Assad regime backed by Russia (and Iran).
On the other side of the coin, there's the Kurdish led parts backed by the US.
On the third side of the coin, there's the moderate terrorist rebels now supported and used by Turkey.
The US and Turkey is in a military alliance.
Russia is a rival of both the US and Turkey in that region.
The Kurds and Turks are arch-enemies of each other.
The Syrian govt. and the Kurds have an uneasy peace and seem to negotiate all the time.

What's missing from this list?

Bernd 02/27/2018 (Tue) 02:05:19 [Preview] No.13865 del
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There's also inter-rebel warfare between independently-minded HTS and slightly less fundamentalist jihadis who have some loyalty to Turkey, see pic related. Notice that the Kurdish neighborhoods in Aleppo have been recently handed to the regime.

Speaking of Turkey, Afrin's entire international border has been secured. They're not stopping with this buffer, though:

>With around 500 square kilometers so far cleared of the YPG, Turkey announced that it will begin to besiege Afrin, which is home to around more than 100,000 civilians. In line with this objective, Turkey had begun the deployment of the JÖH, who are specially trained in urban warfare.

Further down in the article:
>Bozdağ stressed that the resolution adopted by the U.N. Security Council does not refer to the situation in Afrin.
>“The scope of ‘Operation Olive Branch’ is not limited to the YPG, the PKK, the PYD [Democratic Union Party] and the KCK [Kurdistan Communities Union]. It also includes the fight against DAESH [the Arabic acronym of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant],” he claimed.
>“Therefore this resolution will not affect our operation into Afrin,” he added.
The sad thing is normalfags are unaware that ISIS doesn't control anything in Afrin and will eat up his bold lie.

And Czechia has arrested Salih Muslim, former General Secretary co-chairman of the PYD to negotiate the release of two Czech volunteers in the YPG. But legally he's a Syrian, not a Turk, so I don't understand what is the muh international law case for arresting and deporting him to Turkey.

On Damascus, loyalists have finally started to make gains.

Bernd 03/01/2018 (Thu) 20:06:33 [Preview] No.13926 del
>On Damascus, loyalists have finally started to make gains.
It seems they shifted their attention to there.

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East Ghouta's defenses are crumbling.

Bernd 03/05/2018 (Mon) 06:23:21 [Preview] No.13997 del
They are crushed at Ghouta.
I don't think the govt. can be stopped now. Only with the intervention of the great powers can regulate which groups will be left intact and where for the peace conference.

Bernd 03/05/2018 (Mon) 17:43:45 [Preview] No.14004 del
When I say "crushed" I mean they are getting crushed. It may take a while. But they're still faster then the Turks.

Bernd 03/06/2018 (Tue) 06:29:49 [Preview] No.14011 del
When was the PKK outlawed in Turkey? Right before the attack on Afrin?
Btw, bretty good game mechanic would be for a Paradox map painter: "Gained casus belli: 'Terrorism'" keksz.
This conflict with the Turks could unite the Syrian govt and the Kurds. Also it will be good source for more tensions in the region.

Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 07:57:52 [Preview] No.14024 del
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An-26 full of officers crashed recently. Officials say that it may be technical problems.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 10:38:17 [Preview] No.14025 del
>An-26 full of officers crashed recently. Officials say that it may be technical problems.

From the outside, and admittedly without a solid frame of reference, it seems like a high number of Russian airplanes crashing in the last few months to a year...

Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 11:09:24 [Preview] No.14026 del
This recent one, and the one other I've heard of were old USSR models though?

Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 11:45:44 [Preview] No.14027 del

Russian air safety just sucks. Some time ago ICAO or someone related published statistics that Russian air safety is just slightly higher than African, and African is horrible.

It isn't only old planes, but bad maintenance and bad flight training. It is became slightly better recently, but big air crashes isn't rare thing here.

Military transport aviation is worse because their pilots often less experienced and more crazy.

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How many were killed exactly? Because these lines:
>A major-general, 26 officers, noncommissioned officers and contract soldiers have been killed
>The tragedy has claimed the lives of 27 officers, including one major-general, along with noncommissioned officers and contract soldiers
feel ambiguous.
The list can be:
- 27 officers (including a major-general)
- X NCOs
- Y contract soldiers
27 officers who can be grouped as:
- a major-general
- NCOs
- contract soldiers
The An-26 in theory has passanger capacity of 40.

Siege of Afrin, soon.

Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 20:57:05 [Preview] No.14210 del
>Siege of Afrin, soon
Hey, I've been out of the loop lately. Is this t*rks vs k*rds?

Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 21:09:01 [Preview] No.14214 del
Moar liek Turks and Moderate Terrorists vs Kurds.

Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 21:09:57 [Preview] No.14215 del
Also it's started but they're nowhere from encirclement.

Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 22:55:49 [Preview] No.14227 del
It is second:

>27 officers who can be grouped as:
>- a major-general
>- NCOs
>- contract soldiers

Although now total count is 39 (6 from crew and 6 others).

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The rebels launched an attack south of Idlib in response of the habbenings at Ghouta. I dunno what they want to accomplish as they are just too far from there.

Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 10:54:16 [Preview] No.14516 del
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Three live streams from Russian MoD: http://syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/live.htm

>Live broadcasting from humanitarian corridors in Eastern Ghouta

Nothing interesting though, just a bunch of Arabs walking. Last cam from UAV.

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Looks like Afrin is done. Brave Erdogan freed the oppressed from terrorist tyranny.

The fights at Ghouta will end soon as well. Compassionate Putin feeds the hungry seeking refuge.

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