11/20/2017 (Mon) 02:01:42
>>12043>you're butthurt because somebody was allowed to post it, and now you have to do damage control.
What damage control? I dislike both Catalans and Castillians and don't have much of a commitment to either side.>It just puts some things in context.
Besides stating an outright lie (that Catalan is a dialect of Castillian), the Castillian's comment adds little to nothing to the discussion and merely repeats established ideas.>Why even have nations if everybody who earns a cent more than their neighbor has the right to secede?
In fact, that's a possible logical development of consistently applying the principle of popular consent over which democracy is built, ands its result -territorial fragmentation into hundreds of city-states- has been pondered by several people throughout intellectual history.
Both Prince Michael and the Castillian framed their arguments within the context of democratic thought. But can the unity of a state be defended in other terms (which, thus, can override popular consent)? Of course, and the most popular alternative is through nationalistic thought. But even nationalim has its contradictions when dealing with the problem of separatism.
The same arguments that justify why a nation-state should exist and preserve its identity when pressured by globalism -that all cultures have a right to preserve themselves and cannot be supressed by other forces and so on- also apply to a region resisting the centralizing forces of a nation-state that wishes to impose its cosmopolitan culture. When a nationalistic Spaniard argues against globalist (EU and other) cultural and political influence over his homeland, he will say that Spaniards have their own peculiar historical and cultural bonds that cannot be merged into a broader "European" mongrel culture. But a Catalan could say the exact same things about Catalan bonds that cannot be broken and merged into a Castillian-centered mongrel culture! The same principle that establishes why a nation-state's culture cannot be assimilated by a globalist entity can also be used to justify a region wanting to preserve its culture from a nation-state's assimilation desires.
It is also necessary to be pointed out that, although regional identity is a completely natural and organic development, the identity of large and diverse nation-states such as France and Spain is much more complicated and, to an extent, artificial: just look at how far France went to eradicate its regional languages and dialects and impose Parisian standards.>Conservatism and stability.
Pragmatism is a reason to want to maintain the 1945 borders forever and ever, but alone it cannot explain away the problems with democratic thought.