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Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 13:05:04 [Preview] No. 10603
There seem to be a lot of privacy conscious people on this board.
Provided we can actually find a way to communicate, would anyone be interested in making our own alternative to privacytools.io ?


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 14:36:07 [Preview] No. 10609 del
That's a good idea. I just looked on these websites like prismbreak and, ohh shit, that's awful.
We just need:
- An outline about what kind of software we'll be suggesting (high-level software or daemons and more low level stuff?)
- We'll suggest hardware also?
- A server. Could be a simple laptop running obsd's httpd(8) on Tor hidden service and a simple verified html (no css, no fancy images). I don't have this laptop, though, just an x40 that's not even running OpenBSD for now (can't boot from flash drive, probably BIOS issues). Alternatively, use the combination of Freenom>DuckDNS>Let's Encrypt to provide a public instance and leak your location


We could also suggest a list of RSS feeds and mailing lists, I think. Lobste.rs is really good quality now. Also, SoylentNews and some devs tweeters.


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 15:08:01 [Preview] No. 10610 del
I am sorry I did not think this far ahead, but everything you said sound really, really good.

Is it worth taking the burden of hosting and not using github pages or something similar from a practical point of view until we encounter ethical problems with github related to what we are attempting to create ?


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 15:45:41 [Preview] No. 10611 del
>>10610
Well, use github would be hypocritical, because we would suggest some solutions that we ourselves don't use. For example, instead of github, the best alternative I know is to self-host using cgit on openbsd (and maybe adapt it to kcgi):
https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/
https://kristaps.bsd.lv/kcgi/

But, yes, we could use github for now. Just create accounts using Tor with cock.li mails, so we don't leak our IP's (unless you want to)...

As an alternative, we could do a mind-map and save as PNG and/or FLIF.


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 15:58:27 [Preview] No. 10612 del
I don't really like the idea of mind maps and I'lm all for dumping github as soon as possible. Give me some time to go through the tor man page again because I lost most of my dotfiles a few days ago and I'll have a github account.

I also never really used github so feel free to create the repo and stuff.


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 17:02:50 [Preview] No. 10613 del
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Do you even need the web at all? My first online (not Internet though) activity was via dialup BBS. There weren't any privacy problems because all the BBS were self-contained and independent units, and there wasn't yet any large-scale wiretapping (this was during the early 90's).
Anyway my first inclination would be to just forget about the web entirely and run an ssh (not telnet) BBS. You can even bypass the DNS issues entirely, because all you need is an IP address. And the host and client keys, when used with passphrases, ensure the best safeguards against MITM eavesdropping.
Plus this also gets rid of the web browser entirely (one of the biggest security risks currently), whereas a pure text-mode system is much harder to hack.


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 17:16:23 [Preview] No. 10614 del
For some reason tor doesn't want to create a pid file anymore after I revamped my tor.conf but I guess it conflicts with RunAsDaemon.

I have a github account. What should we name the repo ? Do we need an organization, what the hell is an organization ?

>> 10613
I'm sorry I have 0 knowledge of bbs so I can't contribute.


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 17:57:43 [Preview] No. 10615 del
>>10613
>BBS
tell us more


Anonymous 08/08/2017 (Tue) 21:54:42 [Preview] No. 10618 del
>>10613
>Do you even need the web at all?
If we want people to see what we're doing, then, yes, we need it.


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 01:13:54 [Preview] No. 10627 del
>>10614
Initial commit (readme.md):
https://paste.debian.net/plainh/9becc42e

Someone please fix my bad english. It's not complete, but there's already some information.
The repository name: don't put something pretentious, like "CyPhErxList" or anything like that. Something like acronym like BPC-list (Best Practices Computing list) would be less shittie.

The TODO list can be done really quickly.
If anyone disagree with something I've listed, please, bring the arguments to the table and beer with me...


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 01:15:19 [Preview] No. 10628 del
>>10627
Forgot search engine... add Searx.me to the list (self-hosted or some good public instance with Let's Encrypt enforced).


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 02:10:39 [Preview] No. 10629 del
https://github.com/ahsis/MPPC

I couldn't think of a better name right now, I have nothing to object except for the fact that there should be a more evident structure to all the content. I'll look into it and propose something tomorrow because right now I was just going to sleep. Your english is mostly on point or I'm just too sleepy.

Todo is in issues. I know links are broken, they will be fixed.
Great work.


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 03:19:25 [Preview] No. 10630 del
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>>10629
So, I fucked the markdown... here's a new version:
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/ef7e159335f09976cb3e9a65f26667af/raw/6cbefc5b572f8c6049341fdda9c689a4095eef84/readme.md

This new version also fixes all the TODO list, except three of them that we have to "research" more.
We could already create a thread especially for this repository, so newfags can find and contribute...


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 05:04:48 [Preview] No. 10638 del
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>>10630

I'm going to install seL4 as my OS right away. I notice that you don't put a warning about full disk encryption on seL4 like you do for OpenBSD. I guess that means full disk encryption is enabled by default on seL4.

Can't wait to install some of the recommended software, like Retroshare and Jitsi, on my new seL4 system!


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 05:27:04 [Preview] No. 10640 del
>>10638
:^)
It's about best-practices, not about usability. You have to choose for yourself the best combination of software that fits your needs, since I'm not an oracle to know what you want to do with your computer. You can, though, run seL4 and then virtualize gnu/linux...

>>10630 (me)
I forgot to add: we should have a section to side-channel attacks. Suggest:
- Faraday cages or Jamming (TEMPEST)
- White noise generator machine (for acoustic analysis side-channel)
- If using laptop in public, change keyboard layout and display privacy filters[*] (Shoulder-surfing)


[*] http://www.3m.co.uk/3M/en_GB/privacy-protection-UK/products/privacy-filters/


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 09:47:43 [Preview] No. 10643 del
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>>10640

>It's about best-practices
How is using seL4 a privacy best practice?

Apart from the obvious, of course, which is that if you install seL4, you won't have to worry about sending out information that might compromise your privacy, because you won't be able to. Very Zen!

Why stop there, though? You should add committing suicide to the list. After all, if a person kills himself, he won't be able to generate any information for the surveillance state to collect. Take that, GCHQ!

>I'm not an oracle to know what you want to do with your computer.
That's a very strange thing to say, anon. If they're looking at your list, you know at least one thing they want to do with their computer, namely protect their privacy. That is what the list is about, correct? And how does seL4 help them do that, again?

You can probably also make an assumption with a high degree of confidence about something someone looking at your list won't want to do, which would be writing device drivers to get their computer to work.

>You can, though, run seL4 and then virtualize gnu/linux...
But Linux isn't on your list...


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 11:26:38 [Preview] No. 10644 del
>>10630
Why not submit a pull request ? Are we not doing this through git ? Can I find your latest changes on that gist always ? I can give you commit access, I just don't know your user on github.


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 18:10:57 [Preview] No. 10646 del
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I found that for the openssd project, search "Cosmos/Cosmos+ OpenSSD FPGA Platform crz.technology"

It's just 3600 dollars.


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 22:11:36 [Preview] No. 10650 del
>>10643
My initial commit is about secure computing, not about privacy. The "privacy" title in repository is from the other anon.
>"secure computing and best-practices"

Also, here's a crazy idea: stop conditioning your critics to me and contribute with better alternatives.

>>10644
I don't like github, it requires javascript and I don't know how to use it's command line. That's why I proposed we do our own website.

>>10646
Good job.
>>It's just 3600 dollars
Oh, that's great, now everyone can buy it.


Anonymous 08/09/2017 (Wed) 22:46:43 [Preview] No. 10652 del
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>>10650

>My initial commit is about secure computing, not about privacy. The "privacy" title in repository is from the other anon.
It would seem that the project has a messaging problem, then, since security and privacy are not the same thing, yet the repo is called MPPC: Modern Privacy Practices in Computing.

>stop conditioning your critics to me
I have no idea what this means.

>and contribute with better alternatives.
Here are my contributions:
1. Unfuck the messaging for the project. Security, privacy, and anonymity are different things, but the project is currently a mishmash of suggestions in each of these domains with no logical separation between them or explanation of how they interrelate.
2. Remove seL4 from the list. It's an asinine suggestion that will be of use to nobody. I already knew what seL4 was, but to somebody who doesn't, that suggestion is basically a big "Fuck you" where they get to go to the website and spend 10 minutes figuring out that seL4 is not actually an OS they can download and install on their computer and start using normally. For fuck's sake, man, the FAQ for seL4 suggests taking an Advanced Operating Systems course to learn how to build a system on top of seL4. Get real.
3. Each entry needs an annotation. Spitting out a bunch of names and URLs with no information places undue burden on the user to figure out what each of these things are and what they might be useful for. You'll notice that privacytools.io provides a pithy description of each of its recommendations.

Now, you're going to get asshurt about this, because you don't deal with criticism well, even when it's helpful. But if you take a Valium and calm the fuck down, you'll realize that each of my suggestions would significantly improve this project.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 00:11:23 [Preview] No. 10654 del
>>10650
>That's why I proposed we do our own website.
I'm poor as fuck tho.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 00:27:28 [Preview] No. 10655 del
>>10654

>I'm poor as fuck tho.

https://neocities.org/

>Create your own free website.
>Unlimited creativity, zero ads.

>Neocities is a social network of 140,100 web sites that are bringing back the lost individual creativity of the web. We offer free static web hosting and tools that allow you to create your own web site. Join us!


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 00:35:40 [Preview] No. 10656 del
>10655
Yeah, and how exactly do we collaborate ?


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 00:46:36 [Preview] No. 10657 del
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>>10656

>Yeah, and how exactly do we collaborate ?

Email. Don't be obtuse. Do you think nobody ever collaborated online before the invention of git?


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 01:49:11 [Preview] No. 10658 del
>>10655
>the list advocate for self-hosting
>hosted on third party website, without control of the server
We can just ask odilitime to host it here on endchan.
Or... we could do it as an image (mind map with Dia, an "ontology" or an script in UML), so we don't have to host anything, just use this image when someone ask for software suggestion.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 02:18:04 [Preview] No. 10659 del
>>10657
>email
u wut?
please, gtfo.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 02:22:58 [Preview] No. 10660 del
Hey github owner: can you please update the readme.md with this >>10630
I've fixer most of the TODOS and the broken hyperlinks...


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 02:44:28 [Preview] No. 10661 del
>>10658

>the list advocate for self-hosting
>hosted on third party website, without control of the server

It's a list of information you're intending to be publicly available. It's not a service with private keys or something else that the hosting provider could compromise. If you were really paranoid about a Neocities admin changing your list, you could always sign it. There's no reason not to host it at someplace like Neocities. It's hosted on GitHub right now, for fuck's sake.

BTW, no matter where you host it, someone else is always going to have access to the server. Whether it's a VPS or a dedicated server, or you even build your own server and collocate it, someone else can always access the machine if they really want do. Paying for hosting gives you some contractual privacy protections, but it's not bulletproof.

The only way to really achieve self hosting would be to host it out of your house on your own internet connection. Even that subjects you to the whims of your ISP. So, the only way to *really* achieve self hosting would be on some kind of meshnet.

>We can just ask odilitime to host it here on endchan.
Oh, so you control the Endchan servers. Wait, you don't?

Guess that makes them a 3rd party server, too, huh?

>Or... we could do it as an image
That's the only good suggestion you've made, but its primary audience in that case will be imageboard users. I thought the point of this was to be a replacement for privacytools.io and not just NEET wankery.

>>10659
>email
>u wut?
>please, gtfo.
Most of the projects on the list are coordinated at least in part via email. E.g. OpenBSD.

You stupid cocksucker.

>>10660
Be sure to also update the list with the suggestions here >>10652 so the list is less laughable.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 03:32:51 [Preview] No. 10662 del
>>10661
>he only way to really achieve self hosting would be to host it out of your house on your own internet connection.
This is what I'm proposing since the beginning (see >>10609 ). Therefore, all you said above the quote is not related to my main point (strawman).
>Oh, so you control the Endchan servers. Wait, you don't?
No, I don't. But we are already posting here. Wait, we don't? Also, the only connection we have between each other is through endchan. My suggestion about asking odilitime to host it here was an alternative to self-hosting. Do you have alternatives, besides the bullshit you already said? As a side note: the guy from neocities used to run it from a Windows Server... g-great.
>I thought the point of this was to be a replacement for privacytools.io and not just NEET wankery.
It is. But since we can't host or own server, it's an alternative.
>Most of the projects on the list are coordinated at least in part via email. E.g. OpenBSD.
So, it goes like this:
>I don't agree with A
>I recommended B
>But B methodology use A
>Therefore all B is shit
Do you understand logical fallacies, you stupid cocksucker?

>Be sure to also update the list with the suggestions here >>10652 so the list is less laughable.
Agreed. Besides from point "3" (no one wants to read 'annotations' - just keep it simple, the linked websites already explain the purpose of each tool).


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 03:36:06 [Preview] No. 10663 del
>>10662 (me)
forgot to attach this image.


Endwall 08/10/2017 (Thu) 04:27:00 [Preview] No. 10664 del
Make an html page that doesn't use javascript or anything fancy, just plain html and I'll host it if you want.
This literally took 5 mins to setup.

If you don't like how I do it just tell me what to do and I'll fix it, when you get money you can buy hosting for a clearnet website and do what you want.

Make a Logo and submit it to this thread or to me personally after consensus.

Follow the instructions for email submissions to me for the html content and I'll put it up. I'll post a revised page every friday/saturday. I'm not on demand, I have school and life. And No attitude or I pull it.

http://hjvx7xg3n4ejezmh.onion/


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 04:36:12 [Preview] No. 10665 del
>>10664
You can host it if you want, there's no license...
>Make a Logo
no logo, please. this is not /g/
>Follow the instructions for email submissions
no need to email. just put on some pastebin and get it from there
>And No attitude or I pull it.
what do you mean?


Endwall 08/10/2017 (Thu) 04:41:58 [Preview] No. 10666 del
>>10665

> No attitude

For me means chill out, be polite, ask nicely. If i'm running late with posting updates say:

"Hey man, we have some updates I'd like you to post but I haven't heard back from you since I emailed you yesterday"

Not

Fuck You Asshole!!! I told you to put it up!! You Dumb FUCK!!! Why isn't it UP!!! I am A Computer GOD!!!! ARRRHHG You KNOW NOTHING ARRHGHGHGHGHGH!

You dig?


Endwall 08/10/2017 (Thu) 04:48:14 [Preview] No. 10667 del
>>10665

Design the html the way you want it. Post it in a paste bin, get my attention somehow, and I'll post the index.html, and any linked content you want, granted that it is lawful, and unharmful to me or anyone else.

I have no interest in debating the content, you guys flesh it out and then make the html, paste it, then get my attention. Simple process. No Logo, OK, it's your show.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 05:02:26 [Preview] No. 10668 del
>>10667
ok. I'll do the html.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 05:26:43 [Preview] No. 10669 del
>>10662

>No, I don't.
Then stop crying about how XYZ service isn't "self-hosting", since you suggest non-self-hosted services yourself.

If you have some other complaint about a given service, fine, state it. But don't moan like a bitch about how using X wouldn't be self-hosting, then immediately suggest Y, which also wouldn't be self-hosting. It makes you look at stupid as you are.

>Do you understand logical fallacies, you stupid cocksucker?
Do you understand that what I said doesn't take the form of the logical fallacy you posted, you illiterate fuckboy?

>>10664

>And No attitude or I pull it.
Well, I assume you realize that one of the guys working on this is Unangstfag, who, when he's not trying to worshipfully suck some unbreakable crypto out of Ted Unangst's cock, is busy calling you a "markov-chain bot". Does that count as attitude?


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 05:41:02 [Preview] No. 10670 del
>>10669
oh, you are that ad infinitum guy? I should've thought that. Good to see you again. So long, and thanks for all the fish. I'll not feed you again.
>you're a genius, you can analyze my stylometrics!1!!!1
I like to have an antagonist, though. It makes the screenwriting have more compelling, so all the primates can clap at the end.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 05:50:12 [Preview] No. 10671 del
>>10664
Why are you running nginx if you said you run openbsd here >>10593 ?


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 08:36:46 [Preview] No. 10672 del
>10665

>You can host it if you want, there's no license
No license means he _can't_ host it, not legally anyway. Copyright exists automatically upon creation of an original work in fixed form. He could excerpt it or parody it as permitted by fair use, but that's it.

So pick a license. The Creative Commons licenses are good for textual works.

https://creativecommons.org/

CC0 is equivalent, or at least similar, to public domain, depending on jurisdiction.


Endwall 08/10/2017 (Thu) 08:41:57 [Preview] No. 10673 del
>>10669
I generally agree with your point of view throughout this thread.

>Well, I assume you realize that one of the guys working on this is Unangstfag, who, when he's not trying to worshipfully suck some unbreakable crypto out of Ted Unangst's cock, is busy calling you a "markov-chain bot". Does that count as attitude?

I'm aware of that, but I'm currious to see where this "project" goes. The bickering about how to host earlier in the thread was slightly retarded and I'm perplexed as to why a self proclaimed security expert couldn't do the self hosting himself, given that you are an OpenBSD security expert, but instead have been trying to palm off hosting your project onto Odilitime and others. Setting it up took < 5mins , why couldn't you do this yourself?

I'm not a security expert, and I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I do what I can.

>>10671

I do and I'm not wasting my UltraSparc systems on this.

I have a more interesting question, Why did you attack my server? Did you find the magic file to let you in ?

Anyways I also run computers that have linux on them, Gentoo, and Parabola. Don't worry about what I do. I'm offering free hosting behind tor as long as you don't give me a headache. Take it or leave it.


Endwall 08/10/2017 (Thu) 08:51:17 [Preview] No. 10674 del
>>10672

I think your commentary here is very wise.

Get it all together, pick a license, and tell me when you have the index.html file that you want me to replace the current file with.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 11:25:13 [Preview] No. 10675 del
>>10673
>self proclaimed security expert
Where exactly I have said that? Actually I have said the opposite, on >>10607 .
>couldn't do the self hosting himself
I cannot do this because I don't have a computer to run it, not because I don't know. I have only a laptop for personal use. If anyone wants to donate hardware and end this issue, I would be glad to host it myself.
>Why did you attack my server?
Are you for real? If you don't know, the information about what http server you're running is on the http_header that you can read with Links2, for example, just pressing the "=" symbol on your keyboard. I would not lost my time to run nmap on your server and even less "attacking" it.


I'll send the html tomorrow. If someone reading this want to do the html, instead of me, go ahead.
I'm done with this ad infinitum idiocracy, really.


Endwall 08/10/2017 (Thu) 16:22:17 [Preview] No. 10679 del
>>10675

>I cannot do this because I don't have a computer to run it, not because I don't know. I have only a laptop for personal use. If anyone wants to donate hardware and end this issue, I would be glad to host it myself.

I don't think anyone is going to buy you a computer for this.

Why did you attack my server?
>Are you for real? If you don't know, the information about what http server you're running is on the http_header that you can read with Links2, for example, just pressing the "=" symbol on your keyboard. I would not lost my time to run nmap on your server and even less "attacking" it.

http://hjvx7xg3n4ejezmh.onion/content/log_2017_08_10.txt

Well I guess that was someone else then, my mistake.

Anyways if you could include in the html that you authorize Endwall to host and publish the web page ( Or whatever set of people that you allow copy, modify, and publication rights to) that would be great. Get a license or write one up and link to it in the HTML stating what the viewers are allowed to do with your content on your webpage, also put a copyright notice.

I think this is an interesting project and if you guys do good research it will be helpful to me and to others, that's why I offered to help.


Anonymous 08/10/2017 (Thu) 23:36:13 [Preview] No. 10682 del
>>10671
>Why are you running nginx if you said you run openbsd here >>10593 ?

https://ftp.hostserver.de/pub/OpenBSD/6.1/packages/amd64/nginx-1.10.2p2.tgz

Are you sure you're familiar with OpenBSD and pkg_add, or how to compile a program from source?


Anonymous 08/11/2017 (Fri) 03:12:09 [Preview] No. 10683 del
>>10682
The "endwall" guy is running static pages. It should be using openbsd httpd, not nginx. No need for packages.
But, the "endwall" guy already said he's not running openbsd on this specific server, so that's fine.


Anonymous 08/11/2017 (Fri) 04:37:36 [Preview] No. 10684 del
I want you all to get mad.


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>>10683

>It should be using openbsd httpd, not nginx.
>should

You're telling someone who's doing this project a favor by providing free hosting what he should do with his machines, with no rationale, apparently, other than "Because I say." Arrogant.

Sit down. Be humble.


Anonymous 08/11/2017 (Fri) 05:54:59 [Preview] No. 10687 del
>>10685
I'm not telling what you or everyone here should do or not. I just want coherence: openbsd banned nginx from it's base system because it's not secure enough (for their standards). So them they constructed a new alternative, that is "secure by default". If you're serving static html pages, why would you use something else then what's on openbsd's own base system? It doesn't make sense.
But, as I said above, the endwall guy already said here's *not* running openbsd on this specific server, so that's fine. Why is it so difficult to you to rationalize what I'm saying, instead of just giving a big "fuck you" to everything I write? Fucks sake man, give it a break. Instead of attacking me, go and contribute yourself.


Anonymous 08/13/2017 (Sun) 08:00:46 [Preview] No. 10706 del
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>IRC is only for oldfags
>8chan has been slowly dying for years.
>IDK about 4chan
>Reddit is widely mocked
>Discord seems to be where it's at.

Where should I go to talk to younger people? I don't ever want to become another stupid grandpa who votes for Trump because he refuses to listen and engage fairly with the younger generation and their ideals. I want to be the hip grandpa who plays video games or whatever kids like when he's retired.


Anonymous 08/14/2017 (Mon) 07:57:34 [Preview] No. 10713 del
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Hey folks, here's the index.html:
https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/2b0d73d29b0799e784192e638e7db69f/raw/ae210b540c3175635a444607ac55559da039e1cb/index.html

You can remove the <color> if you want. It's prettier that way, though. Also, someone fix my bad english, I did not revised.

>>10664
"Endwall" dude, can you replace it on your server? Pleeeeeese.


Anonymous 08/14/2017 (Mon) 15:32:56 [Preview] No. 10716 del
>>10713

This is an improvement over the previous version.

There's an 'l' missing from Alpine in Alpine Linux.

If it were my list, I'd remove reop from under the heading for document encryption. It's a useless suggestion. But that would trigger Unangstfag and make him REEEEEEEEEEEEEE. So instead of removing it, I'd at least add gnupg under the same heading, since it can be used for the same purpose, is readily available on multiple operating systems, and there's lots of information out there on how to use it.


Anonymous 08/14/2017 (Mon) 19:08:59 [Preview] No. 10717 del
>>10706
>Where should I go to talk to younger people?
Mainstream social media websites. Either assimilate into their groups or observe them from a distance.
>I don't ever want to become another stupid grandpa who votes for Trump because he refuses to listen and engage fairly with the younger generation and their ideals.
Don't be an ignorant prick, and don't assume authority over others because of your age. Do what makes you happy, following the ideals of the youngest generation because it is "hip" and "cool" is conforming.
>I want to be the hip grandpa who plays video games or whatever kids like when he's retired.
Be able to tell a good story.


Anonymous 08/14/2017 (Mon) 23:19:50 [Preview] No. 10719 del
>>10716
>But that would trigger Unangstfag
I'm what you call "unangstfag" and also who 'designed' the html and all the information in it, since no one here is interested in contribute but, instead, talk shit.
>There's an 'l' missing from Alpine in Alpine Linux.
The Endwall dude can fix it
>GnuPG
If everyone agree, go ahead and put it there. I don't. But this project is not mine, although I've done all of it (until now) by myself.


Anonymous 08/15/2017 (Tue) 02:37:30 [Preview] No. 10721 del
why does it have to be a website? properly formatted text files work wonders on pastebin, and if you're even more paranoid than that, you can self host a pastebin clone using a variety of software.

you can easily spread images that contain stenographically embedded lists or files, even html/mhtml/maff/arc or plain old 7z/zip/tar.gz

the most abstract way to spread a list could be using copypasta

of course this isn't very much like privacytools.io, but why imitate bloated web 2.0 css dogshit when this is aimed towards imageboard users and other reclusive hikkomori?


Anonymous 08/15/2017 (Tue) 03:21:23 [Preview] No. 10724 del
(3.01 MB 720x404 knifegame.webm)
>>10719

>I'm what you call "unangstfag" and also who 'designed' the html and all the information in it,

Well, like I said, it's an improvement over the previous version. It looks nice. Good job.

>since no one here is interested in contribute but, instead, talk shit.

Sometimes talking shit _is_ contributing. It is when I do it, anyway; my shit talking is (almost) never pointless.

Nonetheless, as a gesture of goodwill, I will read over the list again and attempt to make a more traditional contribution to the list.

>>10721

>why does it have to be a website?

I can't speak for the guy who started it or for Unangstfag, but I would suggest the following:

1. The project is in an early stage. It makes sense to have a central place that anons can check and contribute to instead of a pastebin to disseminate all over the imageboard world which will be outdated almost instantly. Unless you mean putting the official list on a pastebin, in which case how is that any different from a static webpage, in essence?
2. The list contains services and software which at some point might become untrustworthy, outdated, or deprecated. Again, if there is a central location to check and update, there's less of a concern about lots of stale information being stored as images or links to old pastebins on various anons harddrives.

Of course, there's nothing stopping an anon from taking the website and dumping it into a pastebin or making an image from it, but I think it's premature at this point. It would be best to wait until the list is more complete and relatively stable, then to version and license it so it can be distributed/hosted without concern and checked at a glance to see if the list that someone has is the most recent.

>you can self host a pastebin clone using a variety of software.
That's just a complicated way to host a website. You realize an html page is just a text file that contains markup tags, right? You're suggesting that instead of hosting the list as an html page, it should be hosted as a text file that's displayed in an html page that's generated by pastebin software? That seems like a complicated way to do a simple thing.

>you can easily spread images that contain stenographically embedded lists or files

The list is not a secret. Few people would find it unless they were told, and if you're going to tell them, why embed it in the first place?


Anonymous 08/15/2017 (Tue) 06:20:37 [Preview] No. 10726 del
>>10724
good point
>.html is just .txt with markup
>hosting pastebin is just bloat over .txt
Oh. I really should have known that. Maybe I shouldn't be an Ideas Guy™ if I'm not a webdev person and I haven't slept much. I'll be off to check my ego.


Anonymous 08/16/2017 (Wed) 05:05:59 [Preview] No. 10738 del
>>10713 (me)
The Endwall folk is out? I wanted to start the flamewar on other imageboards already...
Any alternatives on how we can host it? Maybe ask odilitime to create a /tech/tools.html ?



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