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Space exploration thread Nanonymous No.16631 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>16640 >>16645 >>16762
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Discuss space exploration dear nanofrens from outer space.
To start the discussion, how do you think humans are gonna explore the rest of the solar system?

In my opinion it's gonna be with the skyhook, it sounds like the most realistic and elegant solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_(structure)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqwpQarrDwk

Nanonymous No.16638 [D][U][F] >>16639 >>16640 >>16649
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I personally think that the colonization of the solar system will be done at sublight speeds, over the course of decades. The next century will be imo the century of solar system exploration


Nanonymous No.16639 [D][U][F] >>16644
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>>16638
If we don't kill ourselves first, that is.

Nanonymous No.16640 [D][U][F] >>16649
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>>16631
Around 1000km of ultra high molecular weight polyethylene doesn't sound that expensive. The expensive part seems to be the counterweight due to the mass. The only problem I could see with the use of material is the melting point of UHMWP is around 133C, which would require insulation or a reflective surface to prevent deformation on one side. So, if governments are able to spend trillions on military, then there is no reason to think that we can't easily set up a space infrastructure.

>>16638
>sublight speeds
<assuming traveling at the speed of light is possible which assumes you can create imaginary or negative mass

Nanonymous No.16644 [D]
cumskims, happas, and nonanons alike will not be the ones exploring space.

Over the next fifteen years nanons will notice an increased interest of space exploration by the glowniggers and googleniggers. By this time remote piloted space crafts and robots will be produced and utilized for deep space exploration.

>>16639
If AI does not kill us all first.

Nanonymous No.16645 [D]
>>16631
I don't know that we'll ever end up exploring space. Humans are too content as we are. This is one why elites push for depopulation and bug eating. They want to have all the best resources for themselves while everyone else lives in squalor. Rewrite was right. The way out of ecological collapse is through space colonization. People are too comfortable to try it, though, so they're happy to eat the bugs and live in a concrete tube.

Nanonymous No.16646 [D][U][F]
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kangaroo fuckers must live here

Nanonymous No.16647 [D] >>16649
>can't even explore the oceans
>"let's explore solar system!1!!"
I dunno. This idea of space exploration was always science fiction to me. There's not even reason to explore the solar system, aside from some moons of saturn.
So, unless someone figures out some way of travelling at a insane speed or manages to use einstein-rosen bridges, then space exploration will remain something quite useless.
A good side of space exploration, though, is funding of hard sciences through research. Evolving technology around this also creates eventually breakthroughs in mathematics, physics, chemistry, materials, etc. So, if there's a reason to explore, that should be advancing our knowledge about how the universe works, not about resource extraction (although at some point this will be necessary).

Nanonymous No.16649 [D]
>>16638
>I personally think that the colonization of the solar system will be done at sublight speeds
It's not like we have a choice about that in any case.

>>16640
>So, if governments are able to spend trillions on military, then there is no reason to think that we can't easily set up a space infrastructure.
We could do that. We just need the incentive, during the 60s there was the rivalry between the USA and USSR that powered the space race, i don't see it happening again between USA and China, so maybe climate change will be the incentives, but we are talking about 50 years from now...

>>16647
>This idea of space exploration was always science fiction to me
It is doable in theory with our current technology, so not science fiction.
>There's not even reason to explore the solar system, aside from some moons of saturn.
Do you know how much precious metals there is in the asteroid belt? Just to make an example.
>So, unless someone figures out some way of travelling at a insane speed or manages to use einstein-rosen bridges, then space exploration will remain something quite useless.
Why? Just cause it would take years that shouldn't stop us.
Even at subluminal speeds, which is what is possible anyway with out current understanding of physics, you could make colonies on either the surface or orbit of many planets in out solar system, there are the aformentioned resources in the asteroid belt and the infinite energy that the sun could give through a dyson sphere or dyson swarms.
>if there's a reason to explore, that should be advancing our knowledge about how the universe works, not about resource extraction
I agree, but resources are necessary to survive without completely destroying our planet, and we need to survive if we want the knowledge we find to not get lost with our exctinction.

Nanonymous No.16650 [D] >>16651
We are already exploring space. There is no reason to be using humans, and it is only disadvantageous to do so.

Nanonymous No.16651 [D] >>16664
>>16650
>We are already exploring space. There is no reason to be using humans, and it is only disadvantageous to do so.
Receiving light or other radiation through a telescope and interpreting it is not "exploring space" dude.

Nanonymous No.16664 [D] >>16668
>>16651
>It is doable in theory with our current technology
I wouldn't call sending a rover to Mars "space exploration".
>Do you know how much precious metals there is in the asteroid belt?
Unless these precious metals are lacking here in earth, there's no reason to be searching in other places. Hence why I've said "although at some point this will be necessary".
>Just cause it would take years that shouldn't stop us.
Too resource intensive. Countries should prefer to fund health research instead of spending billions in a 30 year project that might or not pay back. That's just reality.
>make colonies
Fiction.
>dyson sphere or dyson swarms.
Fiction.

Nanonymous No.16668 [D] >>16673
>>16664
>n-not space exploration guize
What is your definition of exploration then? Give us a clear explanation, and a detailed walkthrough of what we should do to achieve it.
>Unless these precious metals are lacking here in earth, there's no reason to be searching in other places
And do you expect the science and research, which takes decades at a minimum due to hard limits on the data you can collect, to magically appear right as we srtipped earth clean of resources? Also, how old are you?
>Countries should prefer to fund health research
You are a burden to humanity as a whole if you or those who care about you weren't productive enough to make enough cash to support your hospital bills. I'm not paying for the poor decisions you made in life.
>Fiction
Just because it appears in fiction doesn't make it an impossible endeavor r-word

Nanonymous No.16673 [D] >>16674
>>16668
You sure have lowered your level in this last reply.
>What is your definition of exploration then?
Not orbiting Earth, or sending an electric car to Mars. Exploration should be, imo, getting actual machines to extract really useful resources. By "actual machines" I mean the same we use here on earth to extract metals.
What we (humans) did until now is getting into our moon just to say "we can do that!!1!" or in to mars for the same reason (to collect soil for analysis). This is not "exploration", IMO. Mars and our moon has no useful resources. As far as I've read, only Galilean moons have significant resources to humans.
>magically appear
Up until now there's no scarcity of resources. It doesn't need to magically appear, because we adapt our technology to what we don't have.
Also, you're charrypicking here. I've said clearly (for the third time now) that, at some point, exploration out of the earth will be necessary as the resources are finite.
>Also, how old are you?
How that has anything to do with the discussion? I doesn't. Stop datamining.
>You are a burden to humanity [yada yada yada]
Health research is not just to cure diseases. It can make life better and longer. See the research being done by David Sinclair on life extention.
Also, governments don't give a shit about what you specifically care about. They will prefer applying money to other things than space exploration just because it gives more immediate results.
>doesn't make it an impossible endeavor
Yeah, putting solar panels all over the sun is clearly not fiction.

Nanonymous No.16674 [D]
>>16673
I haven't posted in this thread before my reply, and I don't particularly give a fuck about effortposting in response to your specific post.
>Exploration should be, imo, getting actual machines to extract really useful resources.
Define really useful resources. Unless you're going into really large scale or you're using it in space, locally acquired resources would always be cheaper. If we do run out of an abundant source of a certain material, we'd just switch to another resource that achieves the same result with some sacrifices.
>the same we use here on earth to extract metals.
I hate going into technicalities, but you don't seriously expect to have a miner put on an astronaut suit and grab a jackhammer and start mining, do you?
>getting into our moon just to say "we can do that!!1!" or in to mars for the same reason (to collect soil for analysis)
It's a gradual process. Unless you're going into AI wankery you'll always need some workers for maintenance, and they'll need to live somewhere. I'm speaking out of my ass here, but living on a habitable planet like mars, with actual gravity, cheap radiation shielding or lower living costs per person in general would allow for larger colonies and more workers to manage a mining operation large enough to actually be worthwhile. This is assuming resource gathering is the only end goal of space exploration. For some it's also about understanding the rules of the universe and how to abuse it, and to expand out into space as a backup plan for our species.
>we adapt our technology to what we don't have
And you expect the technology to appear right as we needed it? No prior investment needed, no prior research required, no lead times or anything like that, just cash in tech out. Not even the most watered-down mobile garbage civ sim is that unrealistic.
>Health research is not just to cure diseases. It can make life better and longer. See the research being done by David Sinclair on life extention.
Medical research is an entirely different thing from healthcare, or at least it wasn't what I was talking about.
>They will prefer applying money to other things than space exploration just because it gives more immediate results.
That's an issue with the government itself, or rather the system of appealing to the largest number of dumbasses at once for job security. Who said space exploration has to be done by the government or with public funding anyway?
>Yeah, putting solar panels all over the sun
The idea is to start small and work your way up. You aren't putting up expensive, fragile and resource intensive PV panels, you're sending up pre-folded sheets of metal that act as mirrors to reflect the sun to a central point where you use concentrated photovoltaics, solar thermal collectors or something else to harness the energy.

Nanonymous No.16762 [D]
>>16631
Artificial intelligence after the singularity will make it possible!

Nanonymous No.17986 [D]
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