When did IBs became basically mass manipulation tools? It's clear how memes and popular characters turned into dog whistles for political/ideological campaigns. Can things be reverted? Will one day we have the same feeling of the old days? Is it possible to make a social media that prevents this?
Don't come with right wing vs left wing discussion, go /pol/ for this.
>>15816 >When did IBs became basically mass manipulation tools?
Around 2016, actually even before that but less.
>Can things be reverted?
No. Unless you tear everything down and rebuild from the ashes.
>Is it possible to make a social media that prevents this?
Yes. First you need to get far away from the normalfags, normalfaggots are the ones that always take the bait and therefore the primary target of shills, if you take away their "food source" shills are gonna go somewhere else, so make the imageboard on an isolate network like tor or gopher and make it hard to find hapase really got this detail right then you need to be really careful at who you bring in, bring high IQ people that knows how to not get baited and manipulated and you will have high quality discussion.
Basically do what nanochan did. This is only temporary though, someday all places becomes normified unless you keep the normofags away constantly somehow.
>>15827 >2016
I'm around since ~2015 but didn't imageboards started its climb with gamergate?
>from the ashes
It'll still be phoenix.
>IQ
is overrated. I never cared for it at all, the only person who I know and has above 130 spend her time in late teens by watching Simpsons and reading my pleb poetry and porn.
It's bad criterion. Maybe it can be considered good starting point but it's not something you should judge somebody by unless he's actually retarded. When you lack imagination, resolve, joy and vigour and sho on IQ is good only to wave with it so you can feel superior. Do you think Mallarme had high IQ? I doubt it. You can't measure personality.
>>15829 >didn't imageboards started its climb with gamergate?
Yeah also, and before that it also started when Anonymous and 4chan were in the news, but the moment when imageboard culture really went to shit and became normified is 2016 imo, although to be honest 2019 was almost even worse with the mass shootings, all the public attention and all the boards taken down funneling the users back to 4cuck.
>It'll still be phoenix.
Then throw the ashes in the trash, and start from scratch.
>IQ is overrated.
When i wrote that i was thinking on the lines of "don't bring retards on your newly created imageboard", since the definition of a retard is based on IQ, IQ came to mind(a retarded person has <70 IQ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability) and i wrote that, i didn't really wanted to make it about IQ it was more like a mental lapsus.
And to be honest i also think IQ is overrated, i mean i am 130+ and i made countless shit choices and fucked up my life multiple times after all, it doesn't really matter in the real world.
I also think nonetheless that having high IQ changes personality in a way, usually high IQ persons are better at seeing patterns so they are less manipulatable which is a problem op was talking about, IQ is not everything ofc also culture, knowledge and personal experiences play a huge role in the development of individuals and therefore the development of a community.
>is good only to wave with it so you can feel superior
Some persons are actually just superior to others and this is just a fact, blame nature not me.
IQ is, ironically, tarded.
We need alternatives!
There has be something more comprehensive.
Also when Anons or the vastly superior Nanons say "my IQ is [triple digit number]" are they not referring to ONLINE IQ TESTS WHICH AREN'T REAL AND - get this - ARE TARARARADED!?
>>15834 >went to shit
It's just meme machine. All the offshots are made and occupied by 4chan.
>Then throw the ashes in the trash, and start from scratch.
And the people?
>Some persons are actually just superior to others and this is just a fact, blame nature not me.
Probably yes.
>>15836 I am an high IQ retard then.
Anyway we are derailing the thread and i feel like it's my fault so let's just stop here xD
>>15838 >It's just meme machine
I wish they made good memes at least. The NPC meme was the last good meme that came out of that pile of shit that is 4chan and it was made political losing all its meaning in no time.
>And the people?
Do you mean where do we find the people to rebuild IB culture?
The correct answer would be that we need fresh people aka the new generation, but then i look at zoomers and i lose all my hope. Wow that is one of the most boomer-like things i ever said.
>>15839 >npc meme
became used by what can be considered npc meme, the redditors.
>Do you mean where do we find the people to rebuild IB culture?
>rebuild
<Where do we find new humanity?
We won't. Everything is one big meme and fighting memes by memes is not a solution; creating platforms to fight lies with liars' lies.. Why would you?
Good example is american televi; you see there pseudocomedians mocking every possible politician yet people still vote and take said politicians seriously, arguably even more than they would if they weren't mocked. Maybe they aren't on spot with their mocking or are debased by adherence to one of their tribes, idk, but it shows that making issues being taken lightly is counterproductive; it doesn't make people create and search for alternatives nor it makes them condemn their political culture. Notice that even if they are laughing most of them still consume political culture.
As others have said, the 2016 cycle was the superficial start. "Mass-manipulation" might be a bit of an overstatement because outside of 4chan, most IBs are small. Facebook, Twitter and Reddit would more correctly fit that label. IBs are more likely viewed as "autist farms" where you can find autists that obsess about, specialize in certain topics.
It is likely that some specific boards are "projects" with ulterior motives <cough>/*pol</cough>
>>15838 I think that a lot of the reason ibs managed to stay shielded from normalcy for so long is that they look really confusing and uninteresting at first glance, which is enough of a reason for most faggots to go back to reddit. When they do have a reason to go through it (and with greentexts becoming popular, somehow easing the transition) however, this is gone.
So we need something that doesnt look familiar to anybody, doesnt look like much until you really start getting into it, and is really difficult to use. Some kind of way to avoid media attention would also come in handy
So far though, being on the spoooky DaRKNet seems enough
>>15845 >"autist farms"
I think that positive autists are either rare or are the ones who hunt down negative autists; what you can get these days here are mostly schizoids and schizos and those are farmed for their idiosyncrasy and not their autism. You don't even need to be autist to be idiosyncratic, so it's more like "idiosyncrasy farms".
>>15816 nanochan is not a place of manipulation. PLease go back to that chan you came from and continue to read clear web news.
Only brainlets can be brainwashed. Most of us know the internet is an advanced form of communication and we can critically think about what is right from wrong.
>>15864 Find an interesting subject to discuss. Post a new thread. Engage in old threads using well researched and rational arguments.
When making a new thread, make sure to present at least one question or hypothesis.
>>15888 (check'd)
Nice trips but something puzzles me about pedos: do they see themselves as normal or abnormal? One would think if pedophilia is truly normal and not a crime against humanity, then pedos would be mere normalfags like everybody else right?
Pedoposting was rife in the early and best days of imageboards (in fact, imageboards ultimately descend from a pedo website). If you ever want to recreate the feeling of the old days, you must be apathetic towards pedos, and more apathetic in general. It is pertinacity, seriousness and personalization (associating strongly your IRL-character and your online-character) that has killed imageboards, and turned them into "mass manipulation tools", if they are such a thing.
You might be horrified of pedos or communists IRL, but online, in an anonymous community, keep this to yourself, because nobody cares.
>>15889 I don't think it's normal, but neither is it a crime against humanity, neither is it bad nor necessarily harmful.
>>15889 Being "normal" means at least two different things:
1) conforming to a particular standard
2) happening often enough to be considered usual
Now, apparently it's a fact that MOST men are actually at least hebephiles (having hots for 10-13 year olds) and there is no sufficient difference between an ephebophile and a usual man because body-wise 14+ girls are usually fully developed. 16 years old is basically a ceiling for puberty end for girls as far as I know.
So, given that, only actual pedophiles in a strict sense (wishing for like 7 year olds) are deviants, as 10-11 year olds can already express sexuality to a noticeable degree.
>>15890 >neither is it a crime against humanity, neither is it bad nor necessarily harmful.
They say everything is harmful in excessive amounts. Right now the amount of hysteria regarding pedos is excessive, we literally wouldn't be able to have this conversation as public persons. I wouldn't root for pedos freely wooing anyone they want though, not as a general rule. Also I would advise against making hardcore porn with children, since I have seen a lot of pain in those eyes, even softcore shit like candydoll have models who look very uneasy, so I don't like the acceptance of this as a general rule. Also to be closer to RL, having some child being against it initially and then developing a Stockholm syndrome, thus probably making criminal accusations unlikely at that point, is pretty scary. It's basically not "what if your children were raped", it's more of "what if you were raped as a child". Though to be honest I think anything can go wrong when you're a child. What I really want to say is that pedos absolutely must be very good and experienced at nursery/child upbringing jobs.
>>15890 >>15891 being hebe is totally fine, human body is already fully developed after puberty
being pedo is disgusting
i think pedo punishements are exaggerate, but this has nothing to do with being newfag or not, and
>imageboards ultimately descend from a pedo website
this is just bullshit
imageboards descends from anime forums, good try at history rewriting
if you like kids keep to youself nobody gives a fuck here
>>15890 The issue i have with pedos is that everything the faggots post will inevitably download to my drive (even thumbnails are often enough) and make me feel like ive just dipped it in a bukkake bowl - one wonders whether he can ever purge that shit (which in case of ssds is almost impossible to do such that a determined fed cant fish it out of there) or is better off just grinding the thing into a dust and getting a new one. Considering everything i say online, one cannot know when they seize my computer and i have no 5th amendment to protect my ass with encryption
I could care less about the moral aspect of the thing.
>>15891 Why wouldn't you root for pedos wooing anyone they want? Pedophiles may see children in the way that non-pedophiles see adults, but they certainly do not treat them the same way. Wooing a child and wooing an adult, are two entirely different acts. The way a pedo woos a child, is by playing with them, helping them with their homework, giving them attention and candy (in moderation). To a pedophile, this is genuinely exciting and fulfilling. Pedophiles are generally very good with children, because they actually care about and love the children.
I think, in today's society, where the mother and father both want to work, and shirk their duties as parents, pedophiles, if only given the opportunity, would be a real benefit to society. Role-models are in short supply nowadays, and children are more and more being influenced by and imitating what they see in media. If you're a modern child, it's very likely you grew up without a father-figure, and grew up in front of one screen or another.
It's also worth mentioning that the majority of CP, especially softcore, is made by the children themselves. It's hard for people to accept that children are sexual beings, but it's true. And if children had a pedophile they could freely be sexual with, children would less often upload videos to the Internet of themselves masturbating to be saved indefinitely, and perhaps regretting it when they are older.
And what's wrong with Stockholm-syndrome? What is wrong with the victim sympathizing and forgiving the perpetrator? Stockholm-syndrome is not harmful; forever seeing oneself as a victim, and being hateful and vengeful is harmful.
>>15899 > I think, in today's society, where the mother and father both want to work
I think society should make fixing exactly that a priority. If you slave away yourself, your children will either take after you or will just hate you for bringing them into that slave world.
After that, talking about partners for pedophiles would be fair to their parents at least. With the parents away, it looks like stealing, and exactly that, that fear of an alien guy messing with your assets, fuels the hysteria, I bet.
>It's hard for people to accept that children are sexual beings, but it's true.
Well, the girl on your pic doesn't stick her ass out for sexual reasons, I bet. Though probably enough master baiters wasted their body fluids on that.
>What is wrong with the victim sympathizing and forgiving the perpetrator?
Being forced into that is wrong. Not creating situations where a child is either intimidated by pedos (including the fear of destroying their family if it's their parents) or becomes vengeful as a result is right. Also if you have a big forgiving heart yourself, remember that not everybody does.
>>15907 >How are imageboards mass-manipulation tools?
See the behavior of the pedofag in this thread? Basically, he says that if you are not a pedo then you are a normalfag or a newfag, it makes anons convert to their ideals, no one wants to be a normalfag or a newfag right? Did you not notice how the meaning of the word "normie" changed? How pepe and other characters became symbols of political/ideological ideas?
>What is "the same feeling of the old days"?
In contrast with the pedofag, I would say the feeling is the same of the 4chan early days, autistic people just having fun doing things just for the lulz. The tool was in fact derived from pedoshit, but the culture was born before. Nowdays instead of raid habbo with some stupid idea people started to do things AFK, which is not the idea, the idea is rule the internet. The further you go for your political/ideological bullshit the more absulute madman /our/boi non normie you are, it's just fucked up. From anonymous we became attention whores. Don't tell me that people defending pedophilia are not attention whores, they have their places, why bring their bullshit to places where they are not welcome? Attention whoring of course.
Btw, someone in the suggestions thread at meta predicted 8chans death, maybe (((they))) are already here.
>>15962 >Attention whoring of course.
Maybe they want acceptance from outside groups and to spread their ideas to them.
>maybe (((they))) are already here.
What are you talking about exactly? That someone wants to destroy nanochan or that they came here for refuge after 8chan was destroyed?
>>15962 >he says that if you are not a pedo then you are a normalfag or a newfag
No, he doesn't. He essentially says, pedos have their place on imageboards, which I agree with.
>no one wants to be a normalfag or a newfag right?
I LARP as these all the time.
>Did you not notice how the meaning of the word "normie" changed?
Not really. It's always meant, more or less, "outsider".
>How pepe and other characters became symbols of political/ideological ideas?
Not really. Maybe in the mainstream, but on imageboards, nobody sees it this way (except maybe /pol/tards), I think.
>the idea is rule the internet.
You've fallen for the "we are Anonymous; we are legion" meme?
>why bring their bullshit to places where they are not welcome?
Oh, so in the old days, there were posted only things you liked and agreed with? Yeah, that never happened.
I still don't understand how imageboards are mass-manipulation tools, or what are the old days. Can you give more definite examples?
>>15880 >And, like clockwork, the normalscum rears his head!
I personally don't care if you are a pedo but posting CP is against our rules.If you weren't attention seeking faggot you would keep the pedo stuff on websites which allow it and talk about other stuff here.
>>15992 >basically exatcly the same thing asukafag is doing
I knew Asuka was a fed/shill from the start.Back when he was more active he managed to shit up every thread that I have made to a point where I quit posting for two months because I couldn't deal with it anymore.
Now he is shilling his own website here and Star seems to be in on it.That is if Star is not Asukafag.
Anyways he is most likely not a Hapa.Hapas are rare and do not really have identity.
>>15877 >>15998 >>16001 Clearly bikinis do scare the normal fags. Look at the reactions.
Video is well within the rules. A public runway event with normal fags in the background perfectly relaxed unlike the online normals. The online nomrals must have never visited the beach.
>>16009 >deleted video
No nipples, vag or ass showing, and you call it "CP". What kind of a prude are you? Why are you deleting content that isn't against the rules? Why are you such a cuck?
You kikes are so brazen. "Lolis for me, but not for thee." Disgusting.
>>16022 An interesting discussion indeed. What is pornography?
Reddit spacing activated btw tbh.
Is porn exclusively a depiction of a sexual act, between two or more people, people and animals and/or people and inanimate objects?
Or is it merely whatever fetish turns you on? In which case ASMR can be porn, eating live mice can be porn and indeed a little girl in a bikini can be child pornography which is not allowed here.
Do the bikini lolis turn you on? Do you fap to them? Maybe it's porn to you but you're dishonestly pretending it's not. "Oh it's just a child modeling."
>>16026 I consider that media which sexualizes children must be removed on grounds of being CP for the good of Nanochan, otherwise this site risks getting overrun by pedos and eventually shut down.
>>>/8channel/
Don't come with right wing vs left wing discussion, go /pol/ for this.