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Nanonymous No.2501 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>2502 >>4706 >>4716
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What would it take to end the welfare state?

There are two mixed race families near me, one with a white father and one with a black father. Both men are unemployed and have 5 children each. Just a few decades such people would be starving and would have to go door to door to beg for some bread to feed their children and they would not get any because people were not nigger lovers at that time.
But even without nonwhites and race mixers welfare is a terrible idea as it allows morons to breed as much as they want.

Nanonymous No.2502 [D] >>2503

>>2501
You shouldn't have to ask this question. Welfare state can't end unless the whole country collapses and/or the government is completely replaced with a sensible one. This is due to the fact that welfare recipients are a significant group of the population and any party advocating for an end to excessive welfare would be voted out.

Nanonymous No.2503 [D] >>2505

>>2502
In that case would it be better for a country to collapse sooner than later?

Nanonymous No.2505 [D]

>>2503
Of course. There are a very large number of severe problems with every white country which can only be fixed through a complete overhaul of government, removal of certain ethnic groups and sexual deviants, and a resurgence of nationalism in the general populace.

Nanonymous No.2536 [D] >>2540 >>2547

Panem et Circenses. Bread and Circuses, fuhr fuhreee. Eventually the practice of buying pleb support by showering them with unearned food and entertainment bred a hereditary class of welfare leechers. Up to 200.000 people in Rome got their free food from the state, which then was probably more than the entire population of Scandinavia combined.
Seriously now:
>As of September 2014, about 46.5 million people (or 15%) were receiving food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).
46.5 million people is larger than the total population of Ukraine, the largest country in Europe after Russia. Close to the total population of Spain.
Generations living on (semi)free bread, so long as they laud the current caesar enough.

Of course, somebody had to pay for the bread. It started by robbing other peoples, eg. Caesar used what he had looted in Gallia and Britain to pay for plebfeed. But as Rome ran out of people to conquer, it started robbing itself by taxing property owners to death to pay for conspicuous consumption of emperors and fund their (civil) wars. So small wonder Rome turned into a megabloated city of welfare leeches, by they proles on grain doles or current emperors robbing provinces of wealth to burn in a war or an orgy. Eventually even the late emperors had to abandon the cesspool of Rome for smaller saner cities like Milan or Ravenna, and then the damage was done and centuries of looting depopulated the countryside, the locals eager for barbarian rule because they took so much less taxes and actually provided services back.
And what had happened to the welfare leeches?
>The population of the city of Rome peaked at possibly more than one million people from the late 1st century to the 3rd century CE and thereafter declined by 400 CE to 700,000-800,000, between 400,000 to 500,000 in 452, and thereafter to a population estimated at only 100,000 in 500 CE, declining still further thereafter in the Middle Ages
HMMM. 400.000 people disappeared in 50 years, 80% of city population? That's fucked up. Again, a population larger than total Scandinavian one same time. Imagine NYC metropolitan area pop declining from 20 million people to 4 million in 50 years.
Seriously though, even Ostrogothic kings by ~500BC still promised remaining Romans free bread.

Ironically, the Republican era Rome wanted to cultivate free farmers by giving land grants in conquered territories to legionaries, who in turn would defend their property by serving in the legions. By Imperial era legionaries became full mercs backing whichever emperor promised them free shit, and precisely the landowning class was robbed by taxing.

Nanonymous No.2540 [D] >>2550

>>2536
>and centuries of looting depopulated the countryside, the locals eager for barbarian rule because they took so much less taxes and actually provided services back.

Apparently Roman solders would often not get paid and started looting the countryside to get paid. Also Rome was starving and the man who was leading defenses was busy selling the food that he hoarded to the wealthy.
The state of Rome was so pathetic that the guards were sleeping during nights and the Goths had several chances to break into city before they finally decided to do it.
And the Romans were forced to eat nothing but nettle.

Nanonymous No.2547 [D] >>2550

>>2536
>Ukraine, the largest country in Europe after Russia.
By territory, not population.

Nanonymous No.2550 [D] >>2730

>>2540
>Apparently Roman solders would often not get paid and started looting the countryside to get paid
Inflation was terrible, as I recall, as wannabe emprahs would debase the coin for immediate gains. Yeah, totally not like anything now.
So they would be paid in spices (salt was traditional since Republic, hence soldier) and food stamps ratios. Then again, it is not like somebody but another legion could stop them from taking more food from dirty plebs.
Speaking of Goths and the like, barbarian mercenaries, mostly from Germania, had been used by Rome for a couple centuries before the Rome "fell" (more like rebranded into Popedome and autonomous provinces with Germanic dukes). Same with foreigners imported into the USA and Western Europe since 1960s, three generation of "service" to their states.

Point is, it would be funny to see Mexican warlords outdoing each other into stating how the gibs would flow in Commiefornia under their progressive dictatorship while fighting for depopulated dumps of San Francisco and Los Angeles. It is not like in never happened before with different name tags.
Promising free gibs to untermenschen (just enough to get wasted on vodka after a useless work shift) is how Eastern European dictators enticed 40-60% of local plebs here since like 100 years or so. If someone would close hundreds of permanently unprofitable state plants yet leave their measly paychecks, there wouldn't be much difference at all, except the vodka mob would have more free time to chimp around. Yet again can one see Western future in Eastern past.

>>2547
I wrote "largest", not "most populous". Your problem being?

Nanonymous No.2730 [D]

>>2550
>46.5 million people is larger than the total population of Ukraine, the largest country in Europe after Russia
Don't you mean more populous than the total population of Ukraine? You have to admit this wording is confusing
>t. different guy

Nanonymous No.4121 [D]

I call fait acompli. Our civilazation's future will been smuggled into welfare statism by (((them))).

When we observe the political landscape of the West, we see that even the most-conservative political parties are not very conservative. It is when we review the political stances regarding immigration of these (((far-right))) political parties you can begin to see the White races's fate—not a single (((far-right))) political party will completely stop all immigration of niggers (let alone kick them out of our homeland); the most-conservative stance on immigration of any political party in the West is to either limit immigration of niggers or to stop importing refugees.

Our only option is the break the system. This might not be our generation but I predict a Balkanization of the West.

If we see what happened in Yugoslavia, instability fostered extreme nationalism. We will see this happen in the West sometime. I predict that the source of this instability will be a catastrophic economic recession.

However, my predictions may be false. It is entirely possible for (((them))) to establish the new order and have all of our grand children be non-whites.

Nanonymous No.4706 [D][U][F]
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>>2501
The only way is to either elect a dictator (so other (((checks and balances))) can't stop you) and go about cutting off welfare and other symptoms of decline by force, or to just let the whole thing collapse and then go about doing the same. Either way it's not going to be a cakewalk, there will be violence.

Nanonymous No.4716 [D][U][F]
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>>2501
>What would it take to end the welfare state?
Remove women's right to vote. As soon as whores could vote they voted the government gives them other people's money. Stupid cunts no longer able to vote means politicians no longer have to pander to them--things like muh abortion rights, women getting custody of children, the house and alimony in divorce courts, gender quota hiring(non-merit based hiring--literally cancer), etc., all disappears and society can begin to heal again.

Nanonymous No.4811 [D]
Kill those benefiting from it. There is no political solution.

Nanonymous No.5125 [D]
And how would one remove over 51% of the electorate?

Nanonymous No.5287 [D]
How do you think?

Nanonymous No.5898 [D]
beaners, niggers, go.

jews, gassed.

Nanonymous No.5900 [D]
The optimal way would be a fatal crisis bringing the country to its knees. A Mad Max scenario where everything goes and we can form our own societies while taking others out of the map.

This might not happen in our lifetime, so we have to improvise. As more people are awaken and blackpilled to the realities of (((diversity))), the next step is some loose organization and headless resistance.

senseless Nanonymous No.5905 [D]
I don't like public health insurance. I've never been to hospital nor treated by doctors. I'm healthy as the flesh of a new plum. I have private dentist who I pay from my own pocket because I like slavic boobs touching my shoulders and face while she performs biannually check. Majority goes to people who don't have enough will to transform their time out of job into something that counters job, leave the job and be unemployed or strike for better working conditions and to fat fucks.
I'm neet. It's 1/18 of my income. And it all goes to cucks. If I were employed, employer would pay it for me, the same price, despite being the source in 90% of all cases. Money I pay for public health insurance is almost 1/3 of my food budget.
I've never used any welfare ever. I wouldn't give a fuck about taxes at all if it weren't used to finance shit for people with disabilities, strenghtening deadly grip of bussinesses on education, for last 100 years wilfully being degraded to jobucation and doing shit so that once their term ends "different" people will tear their shit down and replace it with even bigger shit. And of course supporting treatment of symptoms instead of fundamental change, but that's symptomatic of our age.
Don't get me wrong though, I think democracy is the best thing we have. The moment majority of hard-working cucks topples the pigs bigger pigs will replace them because the former weren't piggy enough.
What to do? Is there escape other than moving to Georgia and being hermitic shepherd there for the rest of my life?

Nanonymous No.5910 [D] >>5935
Voting rights were never meant to be universal. The concept of America was originally more of an aristocracy, where the aristocratic class was extended to the greatest number of people which were in that case white landowners. This prevented one of the greatest weaknesses of democracy, which is allowing politicians to buy votes of the poor and weak-minded with gifts. Now we live in a society where gifts are the entire driving force of the democratic party. The republican party also promises gifts, just a less insane amount. Coupled with immigration and proliferation of human garbage, the political (((elite))) get a permanent underclass who continues to vote them in to office. Once you give people something though, they're going to get angry when it's taken away. It's like feeding a wild animal. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I support soft eugenics. Sterilization of criminals, and gifts for people who sterilize themselves. For example, increase welfare for people who sterilize themselves by a significant amount. You could sell it as an environmental thing, or a women's rights abortion thing. It would take a while, but ultimately the stupidest people would get bred out. Also, make sterilization required for abortion. Soft eugenics is the only way I can think of to effectively stop the welfare state.

Nanonymous No.5923 [D] >>5924
daily reminder that NEETbux is welfare.

So you're part of the problem.

Nanonymous No.5924 [D]
>>5923
What neetbux? Have you missed the point "I've never used any welfare ever"?

Nanonymous No.5935 [D][U][F] >>5939 >>6049
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>>5910
>The concept of America was originally more of an aristocracy
Kind of. The people chased out of europe for good reasons, protestants and sectarians, went there to build their self-hating dystopias, while peasants fled there to seek freedom, whatever that meant. Germanic nations except some english, infected with christianity and especially protestantism, held and hold toil highly, so it sounds like 1+1=0, they were also the ones who fought against freedom. For some reason these radcucks prevailed, defending freedom is something else than attacking freedom after all and this time hatred won. What you are speaking of (excuse me if I'm wrong, I'm not extra versed in colonization of america) was primarly work of spaniards, based english and french, looking at confederacy states it looks like 1+1=11.
>white landowners
Agree. Confederacy was in a sense continuation of ancient greece - the philosophers of antiquity taught contempt for work, that degradation of the free man and southern slavers were free. You'd find me fighting on their side, for freedom.
>proliferation
Translated means economic insecurity. They know that what they can get right now is shit, they won't save enough money to retire, so they make an army of kids to support them. Their life is shit either way. Then you have negros who expect 9/10 kids to die in process of growing up and trash which never heard of contraception/condoms and should be sterilized. I'd go as far as to making more than, let us say, one kid a capital crime for people between 110-120 IQ and two for people above 120. We don't live in industrial age anymore. White/black/yellow/red - he's retard, he's ugly, kill his kids, drink his blood, dance with wreath of his guts, I don't give a fuck.
Or they are just animals.
>I'm not sure what the solution is
I'm for ubi very much actually in current system. It'll probably stop proliferation, if combined with above then certainly, and it'll certainly stop welfare. It'll also push automatization.

In America the machine is invading all branches of farm production, from the making of butter to the weeding of wheat. Why, because the American, free and lazy, would prefer a thousand deaths to the bovine life of the French peasant. Plowing, so painful and so crippling to the laborer in our glorious France, is in the American West an agreeable open-air pastime, which he practices in a sitting posture, smoking his pipe nonchalantly. - If this ever become what being American means, I'll proclaim myself, loudly and proudly, an American.

Nanonymous No.5939 [D][U][F]
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>>5935

Nanonymous No.6023 [D]
>Welfare state can't end unless the whole country collapses

Which is coming, sooner than you think.

Nanonymous No.6034 [D] >>6793
It's like you're almost making sense. Are you an advanced chatbot, or just a bad writer?

Nanonymous No.6049 [D] >>6065
>>5935
>making more than, let us say, one kid a capital crime for people between 110-120 IQ
Let's assume here, baselessly, that some /pol/tard has above 109. How will you stop him from reproducing? Overall I think iq is pretty weak. I mean, it's certainly good starting point, but it hardly says much about actual intelligence.

Nanonymous No.6065 [D]
>>6049
>he's retard, he's ugly, kill his kids, drink his blood
/pol/tards can't get basic bitch without begging for four years. I think they would be genocided wholly along with ~90% of white population.

START ACTING LIKE IT'S THE 21ST CENTURRY FAGGOTS Nanonymous No.6138 [D][U][F]
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To end welfare, end ZOG.

To end ZOG, end government as you know it.

https://www.thenullhypothesisofpolitics.com/

Nanonymous No.6793 [D]
>>6034
Just a bad writer.