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Nanonymous No.4712 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>4714
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>near 2020
>no making your own food with open hardware yet

http://axqzx4s6s54s32yentfqojs3x5i7faxza6xo3ehd4bzzsg2ii4fv2iid.onion/watch?v=-J1DNp4M_1k

Also:
>plants
>not arthrospira platensis

Nanonymous No.4713 [D]

<no
>not*
Fix.

Btw, the schematics:
https://wiki.openag.media.mit.edu/pfc_edu_3.0

Nanonymous No.4714 [D] >>4715

>>4712 interesting. the architectural stack is developed using python and javascript as well as being centralized using the goog's firebase. I assume you can't self-host firebase but anyway..

Are you building one of these/have built? What is your experience with it?

Nanonymous No.4715 [D] >>4717

>>4714
>Are you building one of these/have built?
Not yet. But I want to build that in the future for spinach cultivation, together with one arthrospira photobioreactor.
I think this project is neat, because it allows consistency even for people that don't know about biology. Some people are already starting to do vertical farming:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=pc028YJH2ZQ

>What is your experience with it?
Besides some research about biology, not much at all. I like the idea of aeroponics in general and I think this can be the future of agriculture.
OpenAG was the best project I could find some years ago while researching about fast plant growth.

One thing I didn't see they doing yet was the use of Mycorrhiza, Gibberellin/Auxin and CO2 concentration as optimization parameters.

>javascript
>firebase
That's optional. The code that reads the sensors is written in python, the other stuff is just bullshit for "internet of things".

Nanonymous No.4717 [D][U][F] >>4721
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>>4715
I find the most frustrating part of biological science is always the ownership issue, patents on biotech inventions that in my opinion should be open/free for the benefit of the field. Into it or not, this OpenAg machine is free and open-source which is brilliant. Too expensive to be a real garden, great as a toy or for experimentation.

>together with arthrospira photobioreactor
You could fertilize your arthrospira with urea, then use that mixture as a fertilizer for your spinach. It looks like maybe they are intentionally not messing with hormones.

>and CO2 concentration as optimization
So how with a food computer can you control the CO2 concentration anyway, Which part of it does that?

>Some people are already starting to do vertical farming
Planning to. I've knocked out half a room (not for the purpose) but the intention was to set up a vertical wall mounted system in the space. I'm still deciding how to proceed. Originally had hydroponics in mind, aeroponics is more appealing. Was hoping for something fun to look at with blown glass, but I'm not there yet.

<future aeroponics
Plants must be positively impacted by living in soil with other organisms and dealing with natural environmental factors. What do you think are the longer-term problems we will encounter due to a shift towards eating plants grown exclusively in food computers, if that were to happen? What is the biological cost and who/what loses out?

Nanonymous No.4718 [D]

also do you have a CNC Router?

Nanonymous No.4719 [D] >>4721

>no making your own food
It's called farming you faggot

Nanonymous No.4721 [D]

>>4717
>patents on biotech inventions that in my opinion should be open/free for the benefit of the field.
Me too. Together with research papers.
>You could fertilize your arthrospira
Yes, that's what I thought too. But, I think using compot tea for the aeroponics water would be better/cheaper. My interest in Arthrospira is because of its nutritional content. It has all proteins, EPA/DHA, and nearly all vitamins/minerals. It is quite amazing as human food, if you think about it (remembers me of the movie Soylent Green).
>It looks like maybe they are intentionally not messing with hormones.
Possibly, but I don't see why. Hormones increase the yield and does not cause any harm, AFAIK.
>So how with a food computer can you control the CO2
Good question. Maybe using fungi to generate CO2 and a sensor to read the amount of this gas. CO2 increase drastricaly the growth rate of plants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_sensor

>Planning to.
Nice!
>Plants must be positively impacted by living in soil
Hmmm... I don't know about that. There is symbiosis with fungi in the soil, in special with Mycorrhiza, which is why I suggested OpenAG use that. But even without fungi, the plant can grow normally (although slower/weaker, since the fungi break the nutrients for better absorption).
Other thing about the soil is antiherbivory compounds that plants produce under stress. Some of those are poisonous to humans, but some have positive effects. Aeroponics normally reduce those compounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_defense_against_herbivory#Antiherbivory_compounds

For example, Tobacco plants only produce nicotine under stress. If you make a OpenAG crop of any tobacco plant it will contain very little amount of nicotine (probably, haven't tested). You can force stress so the plant produces more antiherbivory compounds. This research shows that applying shocks to the plants successfully produces some of those compounds:
https://www.nature.com/news/2008/080328/full/news.2008.711.html

>What do you think are the longer-term problems
None at all. The nutrients used in aero/hydroponics is usually the same as used by, say, Monsanto in the soil. As I said above, some fungi help with nutried breaking in soil, but besides that, there's not much difference. Aeroponics is better because the amount of O2 increases for the plant root and uses less water.
One drawback from 'food computers' is the amount of energy they spend. This would be a issue for scalability and would increase the food prices.

>>4719
Thanks, didn't know that.

Nanonymous No.4722 [D] >>4723

btw, their branding guide says you have to say OpenAg not OpenAG. Maybe you are doing it intentionally for some reason, but I can't read the situation so hence I wrote this.

Nanonymous No.4723 [D]

>>4722
>OpenAg not OpenAG
You're right. Thanks.

Nanonymous No.5560 [D]
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Nanonymous No.5562 [D] >>5606
Sharing this mini-documentary about MIT's "Media Lab". The OpenAg project was featured in it.
Couldn't upload the file, it's too big. But, you can download using youtube-dl here:
https://www.cbsnews.com/embed/video/?v=1.8e8c54bfaff81437d87a3ce744ce78b1d7b9ad00#1VZ7b9s2EP8qgoCt%2F5gx9ZYMFEO6NGvapkibFN1QFQFFnWTW1GMi5UeLfPcdJTnO2mzrsAXDYkSiyHvf7%2B742Wa9blrJdvZCdz3M7LXIobEXn22hoVL24v1nW%2B9asBf2usntmS1yXMYZDbLCoyQrMkr8AjIS%2B0lI3DwJuMN86noR0lbt9g0UZ4bj%2FPiqOnktV2UQ%2F6rLk5%2Berut3r55t3f75Wkr353qkHkjh2evnq9NfXsTvrircVrIvcTekpBJ1r0HhW5MKcsGIZBmp2ErUJUGzmSKi1g3pgEmhd6Todd8BKRjXTbcjLnUSQmNCfZSqhZbGqbNaIad1fnb1SFmpfTqwWKcjS2ojZQ4rpDttOqtq8EgvWW151NoB69TMMFpLpqwMoLY64F0vNJpjtYBRBWsj9NLiHfu0swYDLd1Ym6ZbWaJGSSA669w4Yr1k2czaLAEVSFEA4ailNHJEvYZai6ZWFsNDjr5pyI%2FQ1JBa52NAUtsqG20xVAori2kUhA8Uv3uELEadkdTUVt1sjtCjopdy7%2F%2F5EL3JOBM9a4qekfMnUeGsbmrBmbz6h4K0qEBpVrX2wglCBJFLhz8MfN8x47m9iJ3k8ImhAokKHW%2FhJShAjt81OoXorFgJysBXGSgttW7VIp2nc56pGjbKO8KFQH1a8CPeVOl82WfpXKTzLp0bgKRzGuO%2Fn87jhIdhxjzixsAQ43lI4tB3iRP4URx4blHkkM71sq%2BymgmZzkOfbr2QpnMI3SQJfMANN6BuElLfDynEXgQRcwDlj8icgDlUHHES6sdYQpOUo49tic4t7%2FXCeUAvHDem28hFN9ALP4mLJOM5dyEHx2deHrpFVuQFw3L%2FZjduZnbbwVrA5m0nf%2BdP22cSXVgLuau3oye5wCrSaHjBPSdy3BwixwPKPZ8HAfczDtTzQse49g1NCFV0TZigho2oc4R%2F1Zrqn5rcHUs2m83RFN3RDtZiONcOOikk6EYpjM0Pquk7Do9Fy3KiNAIcW1L5fcv08vF37unQk8y73eLT5AFfNDYPHx9OEDuej8gIkmQ8of51SKeudq2g9K5N%2BBLqXmuWodajyuvjvbnu%2F8feoukqptFe1raY36Fs0%2FmWVC2Ub9%2B8RIr%2BCyB85c7gMmLwX%2Bz66dyML3VWtY3S0NmLgkmFEw%2Fnn%2BDDxDPFFhUhLzyfEi9wgTgOeCTmYPijPMqcIEtcuHcqKS6g5uZsKaBjHV%2FiTH1v2vREgSeHD2tP%2FgGrA1qhmhy7qO%2BjZPTINL3AMeuywvZvLzxc9y1WkVK3djMpjznHnSey4avbbaHeKugu%2B0zxTmSQ3x6oFqdI0%2B1b5RK2xydYvL00maIz%2FNnD7pPDrpfM%2FGAWJPbNB5zPoNnQWTU2Yih3Zo17yyYfMw11bt%2FcTDeEQ2DuC5bp%2B%2BOlwlw9JLayOyP5MNhwE2GNW7d42C6xw%2FFGSuwRA6j2%2FHehgolGM9BKbjAyZFY9rQ1C8%2F0th3XYOiUc92h%2BZ24d7%2B3CTRDhDpCQxcwk3iVJ7riEUicuIGaUZtT%2B8AXrK1aBYVa80RrnLxq2u0M03GeCKKKJ4xTEC6OY%2BCwISEJ5RrI84HESRWGUMfuW5aLPTjC8yHdAruV6CxovqHMg249drAprqAoLq2JhVX84hQkZ7wz7GNl3ZI2p4E2tEWzX0%2B5w9VkLvj%2FOQa2wVIYaOoG1MRDXLc7bicAU77W5NZqM4%2FuZMEX2DRUwkl%2BOKR0BcAc7eDQpQPQbCIs1Xmogs6fKPfsbVTswjDm7z5KZna0uUZ8R6Xke3kGkwABjXd7G6nLoqCZambKMx4apY3V%2BIZk2fW8wZ2pl18b460PgzOekfaIYglw1ZcfapeAvYGdu3PbHJjvt6zEcM%2FP1oyk47GYm%2BHXeYwWaJTbKFu3vLrqmEIML%2B11W7y7FJ%2BNQiVWJaUD7S%2Fipa%2Fp2oOhrIwEDrw06%2BsrUSGukyDu2GWuRGmqTazzNTVXd3vu%2BHOVfdXCzeoAGPki4aNA4jM4EDAksn7D4X5lldE%2BpfTAdQw%2F8SwcfZnLe3PwG

Nanonymous No.5606 [D] >>5607
>>5562
Do you have the entire mini documentary base64 encoded in your post?

Nanonymous No.5607 [D]
>>5606
Do you want me to use a bit.ly?
The link is the embeded frame from CBS. Just copy on youtube-dl and stop being a retarded.