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Nanonymous No.8869 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>8886 >>8931
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Increasingly, I feel as if I am being pushed away from the browser. The local space, the window headers, the text editors, the ncurses programs, those that render under the control of the user, have taken on a comforting, friendly atmosphere. These are programs that exist to serve the user, that operate under the user's control, and do the user's bidding. Increasingly, I find that websites are fighting against the people who use them. Yes, I'm running adblock, no, I wouldn't like to be berated for not allowing cookies. They load strange styles, in strange fonts, take up obscene amounts of RAM, and scrape as much information as they can to be bundled up and sold to whoever is willing to pay. The assumption that the programmer knows more than the user is never more present than it is online, and it has never been more present than it is now. GNU utils are software, written by programmers, for people who appreciate and understand software. If any piece of software is behaving in a way I don't like, it's easy for me to change that behavior. I've written a small script that creates a text file for X to use as color variables for various programs, from the input of an image. This was a fun exercise, but in doing this the browser has become even more separated in my mind. The browser alone obeys its own rules, renders text its own way, selects its own jarring colors. The browser is an intruder in the space of the user, a stranger. The ability of the browser to connect us to others is invaluable, the "strangeness" of the browser is what gives it utility. However, we should be careful to accept that strangeness as truth, and ensure that the browser itself does not become that truth, and that the user, and the user space, does not become the interloper in our minds.

Nanonymous No.8870 [D]
GNU is trash

Nanonymous No.8886 [D] >>8889
>>8869
Can you please un-wall of text that?

Nanonymous No.8889 [D] >>8896
>>8886
tl;dr he's basically saying that web browsers are like a cancer separate from the healthy organism of your userspace, because they're virtual machines for interpreting web code. Also he comments that webdevs are faggots who take users for fools.

Nanonymous No.8892 [D]
>comments that webdevs are faggots who take users for fools

That's mostly correct, might want to specify "Java webdevs"

Nanonymous No.8896 [D]
>>8889
<my face when using virtual machine to isolate web browser, which is dangerous virtual machine itself
<running virtual machines inside virtual machines inside virtual machines...
<2019 computers

Nanonymous No.8898 [D] >>8915 >>8916 >>9348
Rejecting browsers is being Internet Amish at this point. Is cyberprimitivism is the next lainnigger iteration?

Nanonymous No.8915 [D]
>>8898
We need a new Gopher.

Nanonymous No.8916 [D][U][F] >>8931 >>8974
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>>8898
no, rejecting web browsers is like slowpoke at this point. i agree garbage like ncurses and gopher are not the solution though

なのにもうす No.8931 [D][U][F] >>8977 >>8981 >>9722
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>>8869
>I feel as if I am being pushed away from the browser
To be honest fellow lainposter, i don't really feel the same.
Or to be more precise, i think that using a graphical browser to browse websites is more comfy and practical, html documents were designed to be used in a graphical browser after all(i fact checked this read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb and see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/WorldWideWeb_FSF_GNU.png the first terminal browser came after and was kind of limited read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_Mode_Browser and see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Line_Mode_Browser_Wikipedia.png), personally i browse nanochan through an hardened version of Tor Browser and it's quite comfy i don't think i'll change anytime soon.
It's a different story for gopher or websites that are text-only, i use Lynx for those cause they were designed foir a text-only experience.
In contrast what i find myself doing a lot is using command-line applications and scrapers to get files and informations, like when i want to watch a youtube video i use youtube-dl and then watch it locally or for news i use an RSS reader application.
>Increasingly, I find that websites are fighting against the people who use them
I agree and it's all the fault of the massification of computing and the internet, the worst part is that it already spread to mobile applications since a decade and it's even spreading to desktop applications with all the electron cancer.
Blame normalfags and normification which is a bigger issue by itself.

A temporary fix is to start using userstyles and userscripts and extensions to get back the control on websites

The solution is to make a new graphical browser with a new engine, with a privacy and usability focus, i tried brainstorming ideas here https://nanochanqwrwtmamtnhkfwbbcducc4i62ciss4byo6f3an5qdkhjngid.onion/g/6059.html#post6212 nobody really seems to care thou.

Remember that a browser it's just an application like any other, blame its design not the whole category of applications.

>>8916
>garbage like ncurses and gopher are not the solution though
Fuck ncurses.
Gopher is cute thou.

Nanonymous No.8974 [D]
>>8916
I agree but they're at least an improvement and can be used right now.

Nanonymous No.8977 [D]
>>8931
>personally i browse nanochan through an hardened version of Tor Browser
Is this a fork or just the regular tbb with custom user.js / about:config?

Nanonymous No.8981 [D]
>>8931
>personally i browse nanochan through an hardened version of Tor Browser (with a very unique fingerprint)

Nanonymous No.9348 [D][U][F]
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>>8898
Rejecting web browsers is like jumping onto a support raft while your ship sinks because all of your ship's crew is mining the walls of the ballast with pickaxes, because they've gone mad and think they'll strike gold by doing it for whatever reason.

Getting off web browsers, GUI clickyclacky shitware, SaaS, and other sorts of crap, to get onto ncurses, the unix commandline, and the like, is simply making the best out of the shitty situation we're in.

Nanonymous No.9722 [D]
>>8931
Personally i browse nanochan through android webview