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Does white terror work? Nanonymous No.5947 [D][S][L][A][C] >>5977 >>5982
Although I can obviously understand the cathartic appeal of just running into a mosque and gunning down a bunch of mudshits, I seriously have to question whether or not individual acts of lone wolf terrorism, especially terrorism that is focused on producing bodycounts (rather than bleeding the gov dry of it's shekels) can actually bring about any sort of meaningful or long-term change.

>It will eventually remove all the shitskins
Doubtful, lone-wolf attacks are a statistical anomaly and no significant amount of latinos/arabs/any foreign demographic will be removed and/or murdered as a result of them, even if they increased by a frequency or intensity of 10 (so that there were 200-500 foreigners dead each year for any given white country instead of 20-50 per year)
>It will strike psychological fear into enemies
This I don't know either, it may illict an initial reaction of fear or shock just like mudslime terrorist attacks can, but I think that most people, even room temp IQ temp types, implicitly realize that terrorism is an incredibly unlikely way to die and will just knowingly or unknowingly push whatever idealogy or agenda they were already predisposed to have prior to an attack. I will concede that white terrorism emboldens those who were already anti-white to state their views in much more blunt terms, but I think it also leaves others who would otherwise be pro-white in a position where they're willing to make concessions and be manipulated by anti-whites because they feel guilty about an attack. (it's not hard to paint unarmed spics in a Walmart as victims for instance) Most whites probably know or has been exposed to at least one Mexican who isn't a complete piece of shit (they're unlikely to live in the majority Mexican communities and be exposed to what your AVERAGE spic immigrating here is like, and will use this elite member of the population to form opinions about the group as a whole)

Nanonymous No.5963 [D] >>5965
So if the attacks are not effective and/or frequent enough to reverse demographic trends by themselves, and the psychological impact of the attacks is not enough to deter new migrants from entering the country or intice foreigners currently living in white countries to leave, then the attacks must illicit some sort of response from the SYSTEM itself in order to justify their perpetuation.

So lets discuss what the systemic (ie. government and financial elite) response to atttacks has been

>Christchurch
+/- a bunch of whining from the left

+ a display of white guilt from the PM there that must have seemed absurd to even your average cuckservative (the whole hijab thing)

- a complete restriction on the kinds of small arms useful for DISCRIMINATE violence (eg. assasinations, defense) in New Zealand and the assaulting of hardened targets. Attacks on small targets are feasible using various other means of course, as mudshits have shown us over the years

+/- a giant spotlight on 8chan and increased interest in the site from what I would assume are primarily 4/pol/ users

- Tarrant likely imprisoned for life, this was the one and only form of rebellion that he will ever get to enact

>El Paso Shooting
+/- 8Chan shutdown
+ userbase forced to migrate deeper underground to places like this, where anonymity is more strictly enforced and users can express themselves more genuinely and freely
- userbase likely greatly diminished as a result of the shutdown, only the most technically literate 8/pol/ users are likely still around

+/- Increased interest in "white nationalism" from Feds
+ hopefully will force the feds into wrongly prosecuting somebody and causing outrage ala Waco
- might get us v& for even peaceful activities

- White nationalism and 8ch is almost now almost entirely conflated with the level of sophistication and anti-socialness as school shootings, a mass shooting in New Zealand in a location unfamilar to most whites livestreamed over the internet showed a level of premeditation and forethought that may have actually intrigued interest. A sloppy shooting in a Walmart just seems deranged and random to the outside looking in.

Most whites can't imagine themselves being in a mosque and sympathizing with the people Tarrant filmed himself shooting, but nearly every American can imagine themselves inside a Walmart, since lone-wolf terrorist attacks cannot ever hope to solely reverse demographic trends, psychological considerations like this are important

Nanonymous No.5964 [D]
White Terror will work under specific circumstances like in Hungary or Greece when the commies tried to intimidate the population and they were met with a far worse terror. In other words, White Terror works when there is an absence of government able to hold it back. Which means that it works when the commies have tried to replace the government, so there is no government to hold back the NatSoc revolutionaries. White Terror failed when its actions brought back the same government that allowed or even encouraged red terror.

Remember that the enemy is the government and the system that encourages antifa extremism and forced change of demographics.

Nanonymous No.5965 [D][U][F]
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>>5963
>+/- a giant spotlight on 8chan and increased interest in the site from what I would assume are primarily 4/pol/ users

Nanonymous No.5966 [D] >>5977
Well it at least raises questions for normies to consider

Hopefully they'll be awake enough to do something about it before it becomes too late

Nanonymous No.5973 [D] >>5978
I think, that your view of terrorism is too shortsighted. Please have a look at the following two essays:

https://www.gwern.net/Terrorism-is-not-about-Terror
https://www.gwern.net/Terrorism-is-not-Effective

Those essays should convince you, that terrorism is ineffective in bringing the political change, the terrorist group wants, and tends to achieve the opposite, while "peaceful" politics tends to achieve more.

First let me note, that by terrorism I don't mean assymetric warfare, like those islamic militias are practicing. Those people are being called terrorists, but what they're doing is waging war against a technologically and financially superior enemy with the means available to them. They're using suicide bombers like we're using target-seeking missiles, and likely would use those missiles instead, if they had access to them. They're attacking the civilian population to demonstrate, that civilians are responsible for their government, and are in danger, if they're tax-cattle for the enemy. Those are acts of war, not acts of terrorism. The allies terrorized german civilians during ww2, but ww2 still was a war. Therefore, I wouldn't consider IS-members as terrorists.

Terrorism, as I understand it, are last-resort violent actions, typically used by people without access to the power structure, which don't want to be marginalized by the powers that be. That's how I see holy saint brentons actions.

If you take the obvious view, saint brentons actions were ineffective, as you already pointed out. The state is going to react in a way, that will complicate similar actions in the future, by reducing the freedoms, which could otherwise make further actions possible. At least according to the media, he caused widespread rejection of his ideals, and hurt the public standing of white nationalists, while causing sympathy for muslim immigrants. And he fucked up his own life by doing that. So, if you take the obvious perspective, his resistance was futile. He did some RL-trolling, and caused a shitstorm, which will destroy many things he valued.

But I think, that there's more to it.

Where I'm living, we're being hit by muslim attacks all the time. You have the larger attacks, where they're blowing up soft targets, or steering large amounts of kinetic energy in the form of a truck into people, and so on. And everyone hates them for it. So the state decrees more and more draconian laws, so that our police becomes more like a militarized secret service, which doesn't obey even the few laws, which still restrict them. Whereever you go, you always need to present your ID. Even if you want to buy a prepaid phone, you need to identify yourself. You're not even allowed to carry pocket-knifes around, everywhere are cameras, everywhere are concrete barriers, firearms are a big No-No, and owning a illegal firearm basically puts you in the same category, terrorists are in. And there still are muslim attacks. Not only that, but if you put your kids in school, they're going to be harassed by muslim children, and will be raped, if they're putting themselves in a vulnerable position. If you run into some shitskins in a bad mood, they can do what they want, you won't be able do defend yourself, and the average police response time for violent confrontations is over 45 minutes, which increases to over 3 hours, if the violence already has stopped. BTW, that's how we're able to achieve a low violent crime rate - People won't bother calling the police, but simply go home after being assaulted.

I'd say, that the muslims were hugely successful with their campaign. What they've achieved is, that everyone who is submissive to our state lives a life of increasing misery, while they're continously expanding their freedoms and power. Arrest warrants against muslims often are not carried out, because otherwise it would spark riots within some regions, so muslims are free to act in illegal ways, while normal people are being harassed by six heavily armed policemen for running over a red light. It's noticable, that mainly lawful people are being harrassed by the police, while the state lacks the power to act against hugely antisocial criminals from the muslim world.

The result is, that the population is afraid to resist the muslim takeover. They know, that the state won't protect them against the daily low-level violence, can't protect them against the sporadic high-level-violence, and will take away all their liberties and wealth, while pretending to do so. There still are some jew-friendly cucks, talking about what MUST be done within the context of their democratic ideology, but everyone knows, that that's just a bullshit coping-mechanism, and can't be taken seriously. Everyone knows, that a life of misery lies before them and their children, and, that there's no way to avoid that.

On the other hand, the muslims are energized, because they can do as they please, and the state can't stop even large scale attacks, let alone the daily low-level-violence muslims are causing. They can basically live as they want, and get appeased while doing so. And, as the holy saint said, they'll take over by growing their numbers. They'll know that, and even the nicest members of their community are feeling empowered by this fact.

So, terrorism is clearly able to achieve something. I don't think, that the muslim success is caused solely by terrorism. There are many factors at play, like their high ethnocentrism, their high digree of loyalty towards their own family, their hostility towards western/democratic values, their submission towards their own religious values, their willingness to become and support criminals, as long as they're from their own team, their willingness to riot and use large scale violence, if they don't get, what they want, their comtempt of nonislamic authorities, and so on. Their whole thinking process is, that everything, that's against their group, is wrong, unjust, and not acceptable, and needs to be treated by whatever means neccessary. So their ability and willingness to escalate violence is an integral part of what makes them successful.

Nanonymous No.5977 [D]
>>5947
I agree, fellow intellectual.
>>5966
Yes, fellow red piller, the normalfags will sure know the problems of mudslimes since Brenton blew them up.

Nanonymous No.5978 [D]
>>5973
>Where I'm living, we're being hit by muslim attacks all the time. You have the larger attacks, where they're blowing up soft targets, or steering large amounts of kinetic energy in the form of a truck into people, and so on.
Hold on let me look up what country this is, France or whatever the fuck nvm I don't give a fuck.
>while the state lacks the power to act against hugely antisocial criminals from the muslim world.
Crime = something that's illegal. So no, they don't lack power to do anything about, since they use the police to act against crime.
see i'm not arguing with whatever you're trying to say, i'm just pointing out retarded bullshit i read while i scrolled past

Nanonymous No.5980 [D]
>So no, they don't lack power to do anything about, since they use the police to act against crime.

In germany a police station was stormed after two sandniggers were arrested, after which the sandniggers (or niggers, I'm not sure) were let go. After this story made the news, they did arrest those two, but only with about 100 policemen and several APCs. it's not unusual, that fellow middleeasterners are able to mobilize large and violent crowds, if the police tries to arrest them, which is why the police tries not to harass them, if that's possible. It's also widely known, that there are large family-based muslim crime syndicates similar to the mafia, which are roaming free without much interference. I also might point out happenings in other parts of europe, like the grooming gangs in the UK, which do exist europewide, but are swept under the rug.

I can't find any bullshit in your citation.

Nanonymous No.5982 [D] >>5984
>>5947
All forms of terror work. Violence against the enemy is always the best solution against the enemy.
When one kill one's enemies, their hateful behavior and ideas die with them.

Keep killing jews.
Keep killing leftists.
Keep killing faggots
Keep killing shitskins

Accelerate and exterminate.

Nanonymous No.5984 [D] >>5993
>>5982
Also, post your minecraft livestreams and manifestos everywhere, here and overchan. Us anons will ensure their spread to cuckzones like plebbit 4chin and endcuck.

Nanonymous No.5993 [D] >>5998 >>5999
>>5984
No fuck off, don't make a post on nano before you go minecraft unless you want the place to be shut down. Do it somewhere else and let the discussion find its way here by itself.

Nanonymous No.5998 [D] >>6010
>>5993
cuck

Nanonymous No.5999 [D] >>6010
>>5993
You sound like a soyboi. You don't subscribe to Gavin do you? Minecraft is not cp, not illegal to host! You're just PR fagging like the cuck you are.

Nanonymous No.6000 [D][U][F] >>6036
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Nanonymous No.6002 [D] >>6036
/thread
Beautiful numerals also confirm.

Nanonymous No.6010 [D]
>>5998
>>5999
samefag
go jihad and v& yourself /pol/nigger. there are only 5 of you left

Nanonymous No.6036 [D]
>>6000
>>6002
>especially terrorism that is focused on producing bodycounts (rather than bleeding the gov dry of it's shekels)
This was kind of my main contention, obviously terrorism that is highly effective dollar for dollar and can be conducted relatively cheaply and anonymously ( eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack ) is effective if practiced on a wide enough scale, but I think that acts where the sole intention is to gun down and/or kill as many people as possible are highly ineffective, since they

>don't kill ENOUGH people
>don't strike sufficient fear into potential migrants to dissuade future immigration (if you can demonstrate that Tarrant's attack has slowed the tide of immigration into NZ or Cruisus' into the US I'd be interested to see)
>result in the death/capture/decommisoning of one member of a very small segment of the population who is willing to irl effortpost

While greatly emboldening the opposition and government entities who wish to crack down on WN and related idealogies regardless of whether it's largely peaceful or not, all of the cases of effective terrorism in that picture are financially related. (other than proposed sniper ops against spics at the border, which I don't think will be effective for the reasons in OP) I'm not comparing Tarrant's actions or Cruisus to doing nothing, I'm comparing them to other forms of direct action and think they come up short.

Nanonymous No.6037 [D]
>Do nothing goyim!
Will do rabbi!

Nanonymous No.6044 [D]
1. Most states that weren't just faggy gifts were formed out of violent terrorism.
2. Genocide does indeed work. Go read a book.
3. "white terror" is a joke term and American 56% lol random shootings should never be confused with actual issues of self-determination and political representation.

Nanonymous No.6046 [D]
>Retards here don't know white terror is an actual term and not just cumskins committing terorrism
The future of the White race is bright

Nanonymous No.6050 [D]
>but I think that acts where the sole intention is to gun down and/or kill as many people as possible are highly ineffective

There's more to an attack than just its direct effectiveness. Saint Brenton, for example, was a moral booster for our side. People on the fence might be appalled, because of muh violence, but they might also be attracted by such acts, because they're highly empowering, and those acts prove, that something can be done, if something needs to be done.

As mentioned in the two gwern.net links, islamic terrorism really isn't about terror, but about companionship and esprit de corps. We should learn from our enemies. By heroic acts, everyone can become a saint, and heroes energize the larger group. We'll grow, if we spawn more saints, because everyone who is willing to say "fuck you" to the system, will see our side as the best way to do so. And we'll spawn more saints, if we honor those before them, like we honor holy saint brenton and holy saint breivik as inspirations and idealized figureheads.

At some stage of growth, we'll be able to do much more, than we're doing now. I personally don't think, that it will come to a large terror campaign, but in the long run I'd rather expect secessions and the creation of enclaves and ethnostates, while leaving the mainland to rot under all kinds of shitskins. Democracy is failing catastrophically, and people are looking for solutions. We're basically the solution for everyone, who doesn't want his future to be sent down the drain for ideological reasons. Large scale terrorism is a strategy to wage war against a stronger enemy, but I really don't think, that it will come to that. Police and army personnel don't want to enslave regions wishing for autonomy, and shitskins are not invaders, wishing for our demise, but guests invited by our governments. They'll be the first to accept our ethnic enclaves.

To make things short, I'd see our saints as moralboosters and spiritual figureheads, and they're effective, even if they won't create out ethnostates by themselves. That's something to be achieved by militias and large scale action. But there also is a need for holy saints, willing to sacrifice themselves for our cause. They are our holy warriors, which are willing to die in the name of our holy cause, even without the promise of paradise. They're the holiest warriors of all, and should be treated as such, because their sacrifices sanctify our whole movement.

Nanonymous No.6057 [D][U][F]
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Right now we don't have the momentum necessary to startup White Terror. We have to engage in low key psychological warfare with memes and leaflets and creating our own digital communities, then gradually create real life local communities that will promote our cause and ideas.

If you try to establish an ethnic enclave at this point, the state will interfere saying that you *have* to include degenerates and shitskins, otherwise you face legal trouble and the police will enter the picture at one point or another. The thought police is real, degenerates and commies are on the lookout for thought crimes and report them to police and judges for further action. It is better to target degenerates and antifas than "immigrants".

Take a look at what happened in Catalonia. They asked for autonomy, they had the numbers, but they lacked the determination and the firepower so they ended up beaten by the police and prosecuted at legal courts.

We live under a ruthless occupation and we have to fool the enemy till the day of crisis.

Nanonymous No.6062 [D]
>If you try to establish an ethnic enclave at this point, the state will interfere saying that you *have* to include degenerates and shitskins, otherwise you face legal trouble and the police will enter the picture at one point or another.

That's why I said "In the long run". The way, I'd figure such a thing to work, is, that some local government will just act, no matter, what the central government wants, and will thereby become defacto independent. Depending on the mood of the population, this might or might not lead to an war camouflaged as "policing". But it's more likely, that both sides would just agree to an mutual fuck you. Especially, if people would otherwise get killed in larger numbers.


>Catalonia
That's why they love gun control so much.

Nonetheless, I think, that the people of catalonia did many things right, and I was very sorry for them, when it became clear, that they won't succeed easily. But in the long run, they will, if they're not bred out of their homelands. The occupation may crush a few of such instances, but eventually it will lose its support.

BTW, turkey is doing the same thing to the kurds. And has been doing it for quite a while, but the kurds are nowhere near to being bred out of existence, and will continue to exist. So, in a way, they're better off, than we are. They're also waging war of "terror", aka asymmetrical warfare, and they have their own militias. Their disadvantage is, that turks doesn't care, if they're being perceived as authoritarian assholes.

But white people don't want to be like that. So they probably don't want to go full occupation mode, just because some region wants to govern itself. We should create many catalonias.


>We live under a ruthless occupation and we have to fool the enemy till the day of crisis.
Most of all, we should be ready to take advantage of the crisis as soon as it occurs. Most western economies are about to get into trouble, which will result either in large-scale inflation, or in large scale bankruptcies. Recent money politics has those side effects. Our propagandists should make use of this looming development.

Nanonymous No.6085 [D] >>6089
>kurds and turkey
Turkey took advantage of an opportunity (mainly WWI) to get rid of the Christian populations living in Asia Minor for thousands of years. The plan was mainly conceived by jews and masons and aided by Germany and later by USSR.

During that phase, Kurds participated in the slaughters because they were muslims as well and Kemal (a cryptojew who led the neoturk movement) promised them that after the war they would be given their own independent state. When that time came, he sent kurdish leaders to their death and started a forced assimilation period.

This didn't work out as intended, because Kurds in typical muslim fashion outbred other local populations and they are equally capable of ruthless violence as the Turks.

Then again, the Brits used Turks in Cyprus to do much of their dirty work when they saw that the occupation didn't go as well as they planned.

A typical white government won't want to be portraited like a savage occupational force, so they will use antifa and illegal immigrants to do the dirty job.

Nanonymous No.6088 [D]
>A typical white government won't want to be portraited like a savage occupational force, so they will use antifa and illegal immigrants to do the dirty job.

I don't think, that this matters. Imagine a mostly white state of the US declaring independence, closing its borders, and kicking out migrants whose families arrived after the 1950s, and maybe encourage blacks to move into their own reservations or emigrate into the US mainland.

The US could react with an invasion, and spark another civil war. But the soldiers wouldn't like that, and the general population probably couldn't stomach it. They could use antifa to stir up trouble, but that would only work, if the newly created state lets them, and not, if antifa members are being brutalized by the police, or are being shot in self defense. They could try to direct illegal migrants into the general direction, but those migrants wouldn't want to get shot while crossing the border, without having any incentive (aka. welfare) to take such a risk. Plus, I can't imagine, that many of them want to be invaders. They believe, what the TV and their relatives tell them, which is at the moment, that they're more or less welcome. The US could try to slap economic sanctions on the newly independent state, but iran stomachs such sanctions for decades, and still exists.

In any case, all direct actions would be a PR desaster, because those would prove the US to be a occupational force, and might spark further resistance out of solidarity. At the very least, such a declaration of independence would be a hard problem for the globalists.

Nanonymous No.6089 [D]
>>6085
>a typical (((white))) government

Nanonymous No.7448 [D]
errr ...how about to target politicians of high level ?