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Chinese entertainment Nanonymous No.13122 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>13124
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Why is Chinese entertainment so fucking poor? Japan has anime and games, Korea has movies and music, even Hong Kong with less than 8 million people has vibrant movie scene (at one point third largest in the world) and the most populous country is behind them. How can this even be possible? Should they produce what other Asians produce now they would be crushing others.

Nanonymous No.13123 [D]
For the same reason no one likes pornfag. Sex appeal.

Nanonymous No.13124 [D] >>13131
>>13122
Government censors lot of content there, stuff like fantasy or scifi is considered controversial cause it makes people dream of different worlds. With this said there are plenty of indie chinese creators, like lot of chinese doujins circles(some are quite good).

Nanonymous No.13131 [D] >>13133
>>13124
>stuff like fantasy or scifi is considered controversial cause it makes people dream of different world
lol

Nanonymous No.13133 [D] >>13134
>>13131
Nice digits.
Look at :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_science_fiction
>On March 31, 2011, however the State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television (SARFT) issued guidelines that strongly discouraged television storylines including "fantasy, time-travel, random compilations of mythical stories, bizarre plots, absurd techniques, even propagating feudal superstitions, fatalism and reincarnation, ambiguous moral lessons, and a lack of positive thinking" indicating that in the near future science fiction shows will likely not be allowed to be aired on mainland Chinese television.

tldr; If you think too much outside the narrative you are an enemy of the state. I wonder why their media sucks.

Nanonymous No.13134 [D] >>13135 >>13136
>>13133
So that's why. Nothing can be done about government I guess.
Makes sense but I once asked Chinese anon about anime and he responded it's accessible because it serves as a good brainwashing tool in PRC, I'm not sure if he was exaggerating.

Nanonymous No.13135 [D] >>13136 >>13140
>>13134
Sci-fi, especially hard sci-fi is the opposite of brainwashing. Like, of course, authors make some assumptions and maybe leaps of faith here and there, but overall a sci-fi work is often a ruthless social/individual surgery. You will often see government making poor decisions in sci-fi, either by individuals themselves or just the machine being shit in general. Chinks are conditioned to believe their country and their leaders are great. I mean, some of them clearly are, like, Deng Xiaoping's personality seems to be ridiculously great, but I want to stress the difference from the Western liberal agenda, when you're free to doubt any and all government decisions.
Anime, on the other hand, is literally family value brainwashing, and it is actually interesting in a way it is filled with that generic Oriental Asian mindset, their myths and how they tell them, and I believe Japs and Chinks are close in that regard. Also Chinks make their own anime now too, so that's telling something. Anyway, a retard drooling over his imaginary waifu is much less of a threat than some meticulous STEM-degree student with a lot of ideas and a free mindset.

Nanonymous No.13136 [D] >>13137 >>13140
>>13134
>>13135
Calling anime brainwashing is generalizing(it's impossible to talk about anime on nanochan?) for example look at psycho-pass, it's a great critic on society and what's right and wrong.

Nanonymous No.13137 [D] >>13138 >>13140
>>13136
1) Some dark edgy anime is actually rare, and even then, it's a fucking joke. Take shit like Evangelion, for example. It is not a tale about a struggle against angels or social anxiety in general or whatever along these lines. It's a tale about Ikari Shinji growing up, and it is actually pretty much focused on shounen problems of that generation (not that Japanese generations are that strongly different), while being absolutely braindamaged on how the world actually works. Lain also appears to be rather unique. You literally cannot point at some other anime like Lain and Abe's works definitely stand out if you look at the anime as a whole. And anyway, Lain also shits on the cyberpunk and plays the tragedy of losing connections to society. Sure, it's probably better than being a retarded edgelord from superhero comics, but the plot and the world in sci-fi literature is just so much more thick. If you feel that it's unfair to compare literature to TV media, I think American TV series are in general superior to anime as well.
2) In contrast, anime in general is some braindamaged show with cringy tropes, and the otaku fanservice is just way too apparent in most of them. Like, not all shows are braindamaged like your generic 4koma manga SoL CGDCT adaptation, but most of them fucking are. How many of you watched Renai Boukun (kinda flat show, but better than most), Oreshura, SukaSuka, RokuAka, Flip Flappers, Jintai? This shit is the best industry has to offer in my opinion, and it's sad, it really is. 90s anime was way above that shit.

I have not seen psycho-pass actually, but I bet it's actually retarded, like Attack on Titan, or Mirai Nikki, or Ergo Proxy, or Code Geass, or whatever shounen anime out there. It's honestly so fucking bad, I've been considering never watching anything shounen ever. Too bad sometimes they make something watchable.

Nanonymous No.13138 [D] >>13139 >>13140
>>13137
Not mentioning Ghost in the Shell, not mentioning Death Note; Evangelion is not only about shinji it is also about humanity in general and how humans interact with each other, it has lot of interesting references to psychology and sociology, i never said anime is better than scifi literature(you can't even compare two media that are so different), i'm just saying it has it's value and i'm saying this as an avid scifi reader.
>Psycho-pass
I highly recommend it, it is definitely not your average anime it really reminded me of Minority Report, season 1 and the movie are really good in particular.
>Attack on titan
You probably stopped watching at season 1 or 2 and never read the manga, shingeki has one of the more deep stories in modern japanese culture, it is my opinion though.

Nanonymous No.13139 [D] >>13140
>>13138
Mentioning a few legendary titles won't do your point any good anyway.
>Ghost in the Shell
It's OK.
>Death Note
It's actually shit.
>Evangelion is not only about shinji it is also about humanity in general and how humans interact with each other
It is mostly about Shinji. And the fact that the fate of humanity depends on him and his mother (how fucking convenient!) is absolutely fucking braindamagedly ridiculous.
>it has lot of interesting references to psychology and sociology
Even the short description of Psycho-Pass already looks more enticing than whatever happens in Shitgelion. But since Psycho-Pass fucks probably fucked up anyway because virtually nobody can create decent stories and decent worlds in anime, it's fine.
>shingeki has one of the more deep stories in modern japanese culture
Whatever. The world of Titan just doesn't work. Titans should've eliminated humanity long time ago or gone extinct. Omni-gear is retarded and doesn't work. No story will save that shit and magic tricks they pull out of their ass all the time. MC is especially bland and braindamaged. Honestly, this show is a fucking catastrophe.

Nanonymous No.13140 [D] >>13141
>>13135
>Sci-fi, especially hard sci-fi is the opposite of brainwashing
It's still fiction nevertheless, just like cartoons can idealize reality so can sci-fi.

>but overall a sci-fi work is often a ruthless social/individual surgery
It's still a question what is author's agenda. I might be skeptical, but there are things solely to deliver entertainment and some to manipulate.

>Chinks are conditioned to believe their country and their leaders are great
Who doesn't condition.

>Anime, on the other hand, is literally family value brainwashing
What do you mean? Do you imply anime is good behaviors? I wouldn't agree, divorces and mothers bringing children alone is common trope. Clannad managed to make family look like something desirable but it's just fantasy for losers who won't get it.

>Also Chinks make their own anime now too, so that's telling something
Not in the quantity as japs but they do.

>Anyway, a retard drooling over his imaginary waifu is much less of a threat than some meticulous STEM-degree student with a lot of ideas and a free mindset
Well said, it's just someone else doing work.

>>13136
U MAD CARTOON NIGGER??/ japs are fucked up in the head after two atomic bombs, they need strong stimuli and novelty to get pleasure and this is why they're the only shithole producing cartoons.

>for example look at psycho-pass, it's a great critic on society and what's right and wrong
Haven't seen but think for a moment - if they produce so much of the stuff, then maybe one or two will be remotely passable? You know, you can label anything as "good" or "valued" just like people try to justify various shit.

>>13137
>Lain also shits on the cyberpunk and plays the tragedy of losing connections to society
It was very pretentious and mindfucking for no reason. Why people enjoy things like Paprika or Perfect Blue?

>In contrast, anime in general is some braindamaged show with cringy tropes, and the otaku fanservice is just way too apparent in most of them
This, you just need to disconnect for a moment and think sexually of it to realize without sexuality it wouldn't be worth shit. It took me fucking years to realize this.

>Flip Flappers
? It is epitome of pornification of anime with cute girls in skimpy suits fighting for, ehm, what? Without girls it wouldn't bring much attention really.

>This shit is the best industry has to offer in my opinion
For me the best they could deliver was One Outs and Kaiji, this studio proved cartoons without pornography can be produced. Of course it wasn't profitable so we won't much of it.

>>13138
>not mentioning Death Note
Let's say it was cool and unique but not deep. And had fanservice.

>i'm just saying it has it's value and i'm saying this as an avid scifi reader
Does porn has value? OK, anime is not normal porn, it's softcore or even hard-to-point-out-but-certainly-here-amirite-goy porn. It's not generalization because I've seen it plenty and plenty of times how show is somewhat weak without girls.

>it is definitely not your average anime
I liked Texnolyze even if it had fanservice. Most likely for the fact it was dark and mostly happened in isolated city. I said nothing about plot. See? Cartoons strong points are visuals and girls. Without it, it's shit. Only plot can save it but it doesn't happen often. One Outs or Kaiji had nice plot and good visuals so it's good, they could pull weight without fanservice but it is so rare in modern anime this example serve only as a annotation.

>>13139
>It's OK.
It was so boring and with fanservice I couldn't watch first movie.

>It's actually shit.
I just wonder what's shit in this anime for you?




Nanonymous No.13141 [D][U][F] >>13142
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>>13140
>It's still fiction nevertheless
Sure. That's why I'm kinda switching to documentaries.
>It's still a question what is author's agenda. I might be skeptical, but there are things solely to deliver entertainment and some to manipulate.
Most definitely.
>I wouldn't agree, divorces and mothers bringing children alone is common trope.
That's clearly criticizing the current course of events with family. Anyway I couldn't bring myself to watch Clannad/Kanon after I've seen Air. It is shit. Humans don't work like that and that was some corny drama.
>Why people enjoy things like Paprika or Perfect Blue?
I dunno, because of how surreal it is, probably. Speaking to that subconsiousness, my man.
>It is epitome of pornification of anime with cute girls in skimpy suits fighting for, ehm, what?
When you watch enough annie may, you learn to look past that. Anyway Flip Flappers is a story about the two, Muteki no Futari (Indestructable Duo). I mostly liked it for those worlds they were hopping through, it's Alice-in-Wonderland-like in that regard. Maybe I'm just a sucker for those acid colors, who knows.
>For me the best they could deliver was One Outs and Kaiji
Notice how I mentioned relatively recent stuff. Your shit is old, grandpa. Even Nichijou is kinda old at this point.
>It was so boring and with fanservice I couldn't watch first movie.
I actually don't fucking remember what the movies were about, and that's saying something. I mostly remember Standalone Complex series. They had an OK story and characters, built like a police show for most of the part, but with something greater in mind. The Laughing Man was awesome.
>I just wonder what's shit in this anime for you?
It's a trainwreck of shit after L dies, essentially. It really fucking spoiled the aftertaste. Light just lost to some retards due to him suddenly losing half of his IQ or something. Also everybody in that show is a fucking poser, except for like that girl who wanted to be Light's GF and shinigamis. Shinigamis are cool, and so are their designs.

Nanonymous No.13142 [D] >>13144
>>13141
>That's clearly criticizing the current course of events with family
I don't about state if marriage in Japan but it can also be to make viewer self insert. See how many cartoons discuss loneliness, being loser, hikikomori etc.

>Humans don't work like that and that was some corny drama
Well, visuals depicting 100% reality are not really interesting, there has to be some fiction.

>I dunno, because of how surreal it is, probably
But it makes little sense how this things happen.

>Speaking to that subconsiousness, my man
I guess you're right.

>When you watch enough annie may, you learn to look past that
I did watch and I remember moment when I was so lonely I wanted to watch something colorful with girls. Sexual attraction is a thing. One could argue badass men with six packs are also sexual, I don't know I'm not a fag but I believe girls go apeshit for shounen characters like men for shoujo.

>I mostly liked it for those worlds they were hopping through, it's Alice-in-Wonderland-like in that regard
I don't blame you, it was action packed, fast, colorful and had girls. I don't think this series should be discussed about plot, it wasn't its main selling point.

>Maybe I'm just a sucker for those acid colors, who knows
You certainly are and it's not an insult, I also enjoyed colorful girls with fast action, OP is quite catchy. Somewhere after watching this I failed nofap streak and been fighting ever since. Then I learned truth about anime.

>Your shit is old, grandpa
Just like for people '90 is still new. Well, it's older than 10 years so yeah.

>It's a trainwreck of shit after L dies, essentially
It was my first cartoon so I might be biased.

Nanonymous No.13144 [D][U][F]
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>>13142
>See how many cartoons discuss loneliness, being loser, hikikomori etc.
I don't think many of them in fact discuss it. Some of them show it, some of them even have it as a part of fanservice, but stuff like NHK ni Youkoso is pretty rare and I don't actually know anything else that actually talks about hikikomori that much.
And guess what? NHK still says that hikkis can have their way back into society! As if! I mean, some of them might, but the society has to cooperate with them in any case, which it might not, and they are likely to land an extremely shitty soul-sucking job as a "reward" for their socialization. Not that I imply they deserve something by a sheer fact of resocializing, but that's just hypocritical. Hikkis are fucked and better off staying where they are, if they can afford it. A hikikomori does not necessarily have a social anxiety or phobia, in fact. Like, not more severe than a regular human, I think. They just don't want to be there.
>Well, visuals depicting 100% reality are not really interesting, there has to be some fiction.
Corny drama is some cringy shit I don't like in annie may.
>But it makes little sense how this things happen.
For Japs it probably makes much more sense. They have a different myth entirely.
Anyway symbolism-ridden shows are kinda not for plebs. Maybe some of the watchers are just posers, but I just wanna say "there is something out there".
>I don't know I'm not a fag but I believe girls go apeshit for shounen characters like men for shoujo.
Not really. Girls have bishounen anime like this that is aimed at their demographic (shoujo, jousei). Shounen anime is for boys and often has hot girls in it. Shoujo anime also may have a lot of cute girls, but ultimately it's for girls and it shows. Basically, the only redeeming quality of shoujo anime for men is that they often have good story and well-written characters. But that just shows how awful shounen shit is, really.
>Somewhere after watching this I failed nofap streak and been fighting ever since.
I recommend Yurikuma Arashi to you also. xD
Anyway, my point was there was something else about that anime than just girls. Same with Yurikuma Arashi BTW.
If you want to find shittier anime in my examples, take a look at Oreshura. That's just mostly a harem show with a lot of cute girls fawning over some dude for no reason, though it's kinda remarkable.

Nanonymous No.13145 [D][U][F]
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>Girls have bishounen anime like this
BTW "this" is Oushitsu Kyoushi Haine.

It's bishounen anime which I think is not remarkable at all and I watched it because I was curious about fujoshi tastes.
It's full of Victorian England Era fanservice and has lot of cute boys. No reverse harem, though, it's just cute boys doing cute things, being whipped into obedience by their new manlet teacher. Pretty simple stuff, I'd say.