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I need a pure community Nanonymous No.11738 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>11752
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Where is there a pure community? Somewhere that's not infiltrated by corporate interest and the people can't be attention whores obsessed with themselves. The community must be atheist and have intellectual hobbies. They must not be interested in breeding or any sub-class activities that would cause harm to another member of the community. There should be no outside laws/influences that affect the community and killing or degeneracy of a community member leads to immediate expulsion. Every member must contribute, be asexual, be clean, aesthetically beautiful and physically healthy. And it's totally fine to destroy any human life outside of the community.

Any directions on how to get to this place would be helpful.

Nanonymous No.11739 [D][U][F] >>11751
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>Every mmber must...be asexual
kys fgt

Nanonymous No.11750 [D] >>11751

Amish

Nanonymous No.11751 [D] >>11752

>>11750
The Amish are certainly not up to my standards. I very clearly specified that they have to not be interested in pleb-tier shit like "breeding" and "sex", thank you very much. Why don't you just stop posting if you can't help? And you faggots too >>11739 and >>11749, fuck off scum.

Nanonymous No.11752 [D] >>11753

>>11738
>>11751
???
t. self extinction cuck

You know that if the smart people don't breed only africans are gonna make up the future dna right?
But since you are a retard maybe is better if you don't breed.

Nanonymous No.11753 [D] >>11754 >>11761

>>11752
Only retards are obsessed with petty, animalistic desires like "breeding" and "passing on genes". Evolution is a dirty and INEFFICIENT way of improving. We should strive to clone and gene edit as a means of reproduction, not beastly, subhuman ones like "sex" and "breeding". All organs used for "sex" will be removed, and the concept of "gender" will be removed as well. We don't need any of that kind of hindrance to our utopian society. We will remove any negative emotions and impulses through gene editing. It will be beautiful.

Nanonymous No.11754 [D][U][F] >>11755
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>>11753
Sexual breeding is an extremely efficient way of keeping a species alive, let's imagine that a cataclism happens and the world goes to shit, until there are at least 1 male and 1 female and their descendants don't die the species will continue, cloning need an high level of technology that in case of an massive cataclism will not be available, evolution is already efficient in finding new ways to adapt to the environment, it's just that the scale of time of evolution is different than the scale of time of a human life, gene editing is unpredictable, enhancements are way better for a fast evolution(if you use a computer/smartphone you are already using an enhancement congratulations) i already talked about this topic a lot here(>>>/g/3966), also you just demostrated that you're a brainlet that doesn't know how cloning and gene edit works, to clone/gene edit a human you would still need the sexual organs to generate the egg cells and a uterus.
>We will remove any negative emotions and impulses through gene editing. It will be beautiful.
Negative emotions are the opposite of positive emotions, to remove the negative you also have to remove the positive, so what you want is a society where nobody feels anything and nobody reproduces, i wonder how many years until everybody mass suicide. It will be beautiful.

have sex :D

Nanonymous No.11755 [D][U][F] >>11756 >>11760
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>>11754
>1 male and 1 female
Stupid cumskin. The species will die out from inbreeding-related genetic disorders. I recall that the MVP for humans (educated, non-subhumans) is around 5,000 individuals (half men, half women). Cumskins, however, follow the religion of cuckstianity, which proposes the bullshit myth that humanity started out from just 1 man and 1 woman. Totally retarded and impossible, yet a lot of stupid cumskins still believe it.

Nanonymous No.11756 [D][U][F] >>11757 >>11758 >>11759
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>>11755
>1 male and 1 female
>Stupid cumskin. The species will die out from inbreeding-related genetic disorders. I recall that the MVP for humans (educated, non-subhumans) is around 5,000 individuals (half men, half women). Cumskins, however, follow the religion of cuckstianity, which proposes the bullshit myth that humanity started out from just 1 man and 1 woman. Totally retarded and impossible, yet a lot of stupid cumskins still believe it.
I'm quoting everything in case admin goes nazimod.

I'm not christian, i'm agnostic.
I could have said 10 man and 15 women, it was just an example.
Or 389 and 285 it doesn't matter my point that sexual breeding is better long term than cloning still stands, but of course you always have to make it about about your hatred for whites, learn how to have a discussion asukafag.
>inbreeding-related genetic disorders
Anyway let's say that exactly 1 man and 1 women remains, this is really unlikely but let's pretend it's 1 and 1, depending on the dna of this 2 persons and of hereditary diseases, it's possible that genetic disorders are gonna occur, but this doens't mean certain death and after centuries and millennia with changes in the dna given by environmental differences(for example if their discendants migrate in different biomes), they're probably gonna end up with a diverse(pardon the term) DNA again, so i say that if our Adam and Eve(don't get too triggered for the reference ;) ) don't have hereditary genetic disorders and if after the second generation they spread to different biomes, they're probably gonna be fine.

Nanonymous No.11757 [D][U][F]
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>>11756
Well, sexual reproduction is the best method, since it just werks without any effort involved given reasonable parameters. (I'm not OP or the autist above). No need to make things more "Efficient" when they would work just fine as they are.
The problem is when cumskins start spreading their degeneracy around. If you live in a cumskin area, you will notice that they are extremely degenerate. Casual degeneracy is widely accepted. Even the small number who don't partake in it just "accept" and "tolerate" it. Casual sex is normal. Faggotry is tolerated. Trannyism is tolerated. Whammen empowerment is heralded.
All this kind of crap comes as a direct result of cumskins and their extreme cuckery. They also spread it to the rest of the world. Cumskins have taken it upon themselves to spread their cancerous progressivism to Asia, for example.
What I'm essentially trying to say is that the success of humans as a species depends entirely on the total removal and eradication of all cumskins. Even disgusting Africans are better than cumskins because although they are retarded and useless, they stay in their shitholes and don't leave by themselves (unless cumskins invite them with open arms).
Sexual reproduction only works effectively when degeneracy is kept to a minimum. Otherwise, dysgenics will happen.

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>>11756
Also everything you said about 1 man and 1 woman being able to create a self-sustaining population is wrong. The concept of "minimum viable population" certainly exists, and has been demonstrated for animals. It varies from species to species and with environment, and also with level of knowledge for humans - some types of human are smart enough to avoid inbreeding. A "safe" population to start with is 5000 individuals, but I've seen estimates as low as 500 which may or may not work well. Either way, 2 is not a viable population.

Nanonymous No.11759 [D]

>>11756
>course you always have to make it about about your hatred for whites, learn how to have a discussion asukafag

Low IQ people can't help themselves. His one sided personality is purely genetic.

Nanonymous No.11760 [D][U][F]
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>>11755
true patricians impregnates their daughters as soon as they are fertile
true patricians have such a pure DNA that no disorder ever occurs

you're a DNAlet as to be expected from an hapa

Nanonymous No.11761 [D][U][F]
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>>11753
>We should strive to clone and gene edit

its as if i was readin Huxley's "Brave New World"

🦋💓Star🌟Butterfly💓🦋 No.11767 [D][U][F] >>11807
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TL;DR: I'm retarded skip to the MARK:

Boys and girls, /b/ is like empty! Not that I'm against fun, but what's the point of threads like this even?

Seriously, OP.
>Somewhere that's not infiltrated by corporate interest
There's a ton of microspaces on the Internet. It's stupid how cryptic and ethereal some of them are even. But the thing, of course, is that you don't know that they even exist, or else they wouldn't be microspaces.
>attention whores obsessed with themselves
You can stretch this vague term to include the whole human race, because, as I believe, we are all a bit narcissistic. I mene, it's boring to watch people circlejerk about random shit, but it is suddenly not that bad if that's YOU doing it, right? xD
>The community must be atheist
>They must not be interested in breeding
Transhumanism thread awaits you. xD

MARK:

Oh wait, you talk about IRL stuff.
Let me point out obvious stuff for you.
>They must not be interested in breeding
Even if such comminities existed, they have already gone extinct.
>And it's totally fine to destroy any human life outside of the community.
The thing about "intellectual" beings is that they see the potential in other human beans, not threats and risks.
And anyway, radical communities tend to get wiped out by others, because they are recognized as a threat.

>Any directions
I enjoy the game "solve the impossible riddle" sometimes. Any closed communities tend to be religious, so I don't think I can find a perfect answer for you. You may try to dig into some secret societies (not that I know any, but I would certainly start one one day) and/or just some scientist research centers, since those people would probably fit your request the best, but those tend to be in urbanized areas, not in "pure communities", but again, I believe I cannot help you.

Nanonymous No.11769 [D][U][F]
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If recent history has taught us anything, it's that people with no desire to reproduce and no apparent reason to do so make for the best subversion vectors in any given community. So you wouldn't be invited anyway. Try reading some resources on lucid dreaming, so you can live at least a third of your life in that self-insert land.

>>11766
If "cumskin" is your only subject matter, "mentally ill, low IQ" is the only answer. Unless somebody chooses to take the bait.

Nanonymous No.11807 [D][U][F] >>11813 >>11833 >>11835
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>>11767
>we are all a bit narcissistic
imagine projecting that much

also welcome back starfag i guess

Nanonymous No.11813 [D][U][F] >>11815
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>>11807
Well, if you think you're not, think again buddy. xP

Nanonymous No.11815 [D][U][F] >>11817
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>>11813
A narcissist is a person obsessed with himself, i'm obsessed with stuff outside of myself like anime, vidya, tech, i also don't like the idea of having an identity at all, this why i only post anonymously online, how am i narcissist?

Nanonymous No.11817 [D][U][F] >>11818 >>11825
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>>11815
I believe subtle narcissism is more subtle than this. Using avatars certainly rings a bell, for example.
And nice healthy amounts of "I"s in your post, keep it up.

Nanonymous No.11818 [D][U][F] >>11819
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>>11817
>Using avatars certainly rings a bell
lol coming from you, these are random animu grills i have in my folders not really an avatar, also kagami is best grill
>nice healthy amounts of "I"s in your post
should i use the third person in describing myself?

If we see narcissism as a gauge i think i rank pretty low compared to instagram addicted people, and the usual guy that only talks about how many chicks he fucks, but hey having an ego is something that everybody has, maybe that's what yout trying to say, narcissism is more like a personality disorder though, not the same.

Nanonymous No.11819 [D][U][F] >>11825
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>>11818
We could continue this conversation, but I don't see you disagreeing with me.
>hey having an ego
Exactly.
>narcissism is more like a personality disorder though
Well I didn't say people are full-blown narcissists, OK?

Deep Brain Surgery Nanonymous No.11822 [D][U][F] >>11833
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Kagami means literally "a mirror" in Japanese BTW, so you like a mirror huh? What a self-obsessed sack of shit xD

Listening for your excuses very carefully now~

Nanonymous No.11825 [D] >>11828

>>11817
>subtle narcissism
About as believable as microagressions. Curb your biases.
>>11819
>Exactly
Narcissism and egocentrism are not equivalent, even if you did want to steer the argument there.
>Well I didn't say people are full-blown narcissists, OK?
If I drink occasionally, does that make me an alcoholic? A subtle alcoholic? A not full-blown alcoholic? Even if it is a shit thread, do not derail it with your faggotry.

Here's the issue with communities in general, thread related. When the number of posters is dismally small, it becomes as easy to pass your bullshit without screening as it is when the post count is too large. When applied to IRL and to this 'pure community' you search for, it can be subverted with a single person or somebody who belonged but went off the rails. You can say that if people *really* were supremely intelligent, they'd be able to fend off the attempts. But beating things with "100% logic and perfectly crafted arguments" only exists in your head.

Nanonymous No.11826 [D] >>11832

i was with you until that last bit. sounds like glowie self-justification m8.

:( Nanonymous No.11828 [D][U][F] >>11832
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>>11825
A wild "no fun allowed" guy appears!
>About as believable as microagressions. Curb your biases.
What is this "objection" supposed to mean, I have no clue.
>Narcissism and egocentrism are not equivalent
Jeez, and your point?
Like, show me the scenario where an actual egocentrist wouldn't be a bit narcissistic. I'm waiting.
>If I drink occasionally, does that make me an alcoholic? A subtle alcoholic? A not full-blown alcoholic? Even if it is a shit thread, do not derail it with your faggotry.
Shut the fuck up idiot. Like, where did you learn to make such lame responses? It's so clear you're hostile, I would believe in microagressions right fucking now. xD
Fuck off.

>When the number of posters is dismally small, it becomes as easy to pass your bullshit without screening as it is when the post count is too large. When applied to IRL and to this 'pure community' you search for, it can be subverted with a single person or somebody who belonged but went off the rails. You can say that if people *really* were supremely intelligent, they'd be able to fend off the attempts. But beating things with "100% logic and perfectly crafted arguments" only exists in your head.
I will explain why this paragraph is bad.
It has 4 sentences. 1st has no proof whatsoever and is objectionable at a rather major point, about "small" part. 2nd has no connection with the 1st whatsoever while supposedly being explained by the 1st, and as such, no proof whatsoever. 3rd assumes your supposed opponent is retarded and goes on a wild tangent; at the same time assuming that OP's community consists of the "supremely intelligent" folks. 4th is kinda same and also shows poor understanding of OP request, which clearly states that killing outsiders is OK.

Now, sorry for minor toxicity here, but I wanted to give you a slap, OK?

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And anyway, nobody even talked about egocentrism until you showed up, so don't even bother replying on that part. In fact, it would be fine if you didn't reply at all.

Nanonymous No.11832 [D] >>11834

>>11826
It would be, if I claimed that's it's a great thing. It's a warning from observation of how things usually turn out. And it's preventable. If you don't know how people can try to subvert you, you effectively don't know your enemy and it's bad.

>>11828
>What is this "objection" supposed to mean
It means your claim is retarded and leans on the other party taking your wordplays and assumptions seriously. Just like how, to argue against microagressions, one would have to entertain the idea that they exist.
>Like, show me the scenario where an actual egocentrist wouldn't be a bit narcissistic.
There is no need, because they are different conditions. The argument is null.
>Like, where did you learn to make such lame responses?
Taking the same assumptions you make and applying it to a similar concept.
>1st has no proof whatsoever
The entire paragraph is observation and opinion.
>2nd has no connection
I take the "spreading bullshit" scenario and run it through the hypothetical community OP is looking for and how he factors into it.
>3rd assumes your supposed opponent is retarded
It actually assumes that they're smart enough to argue properly but not smart enough to recognize that emotions factor into it along with logic.
>assuming that OP's community consists of the "supremely intelligent"
It's his criteria for one. Unless intellectual hobby-having, beautiful and fit individuals are suddenly run of the mill average.
>which clearly states that killing outsiders is OK
That's why I outlined 2 options - a person that joins to subvert, like OP, who will likely be killed. And somebody that's already a member going off the rails and trying to subvert it himself. Just imagine a slow burn into insanity at the hands of somebody that's higher up the hierarchy, since we're talking about a real-world community.

Nanonymous No.11833 [D][U][F] >>11835 >>11845
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>about ego and narcissism
I think no-fun is right when he says that ego and narcissism are two different things, narcissism is a personality disorder, ego is a part of the human psyche(if you listed to Freud), that's why i said in >>11807 that by calling everybody narcissist you were projecting.

>about communities
You(and OP) are thinking of communities as some weird closed system, the definition you're using applies more to a cult than a community, a community is just a group of people with something in common, for example nanochan is a community but this doesn't mean everybody has the same ideas and lives life the same way. I'm not saying that everybody is compatible with every kind of community, but this dogmatic approach were if you don't think X you are an enemy and have to be killed is NPC tier and wrong.


>>11822
oh fuk, does it mean she is the mirror of tsukasa, the lucky star lore goes deep

Nanonymous No.11834 [D][U][F] >>11845
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>>11832
>It means your claim is retarded and leans on the other party taking your wordplays and assumptions seriously.
There is no wordplay since a narcissist is a fairly casual word that doesn't have to be a real psychiatric condition, and I don't believe I have to type this shit for you to understand.
>There is no need, because they are different conditions. The argument is null.
Sorry I didn't leave the 11831 reply earlier. Kill yourself BTW.
>Taking the same assumptions you make and applying it to a similar concept.
a) no you didn't - you pulled some invalid analogy out of your ass
b) now you deliberately want to piss me off
I enjoy catfights, but can you manage an actual retort just once?
>The entire paragraph is observation and opinion.
So, according to you, very small communities are as easy to subvert as very large. This doesn't make sense. You may start by explaining the "as easy" part and then shitting yourself because it won't be neither "as" nor "easy".
>I take the "spreading bullshit" scenario and run it through the hypothetical community OP is looking for and how he factors into it.
No, you didn't. You did pull the result out of your ass without any actual analysis. If you actually did what you claimed though, you would find that communities must have the immune system from both internal and external threats.
>It actually assumes that they're smart enough to argue properly but not smart enough to recognize that emotions factor into it along with logic.
So, are they supremely intelligent or not? Jesus fucking Christ.
Also you illegally dodged this one.
>It's his criteria for one.
It's not. Being slightly above average is enough to fit OP's criteria.
>Just imagine a slow burn into insanity at the hands of somebody that's higher up the hierarchy, since we're talking about a real-world community.
There is always a challenge to hierarchy, and also WTF, you say it as if it would be some military-tier structure with people frozen in place.

Now, I am not joking. I believe I have showed enough of your short-sightedness. Please step up your game.

Nanonymous No.11835 [D][U][F] >>11836
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>>11833
Well, I suppose having an ego and gloating about it are two different things, although very slightly.
>narcissism is a personality disorder
It's not. There is a disorder tied into this though.
>that's why i said in >>11807 that by calling everybody narcissist you were projecting
Don't do this to me. It is braindead as shit, pointlessly accusing somebody of projection. Now, I may not perfectly align with whatever you think narcissism is, but I hoped that my conversation partners would be smart enough to understand that having an ego would require at least a LITTLE BIT of love to it, OK? Hence the narcissism.
Now, the narcissism bears a negative connotation, so at this point I'm just ready to accuse you of it even more, and also of desiring to appear better than you might be. Like, not strongly, but it further cements your narcissism as I see it, and just so you know, I wouldn't dislike you for that, nor do I think it's really that negative. Like, having a lot of crazy obsessions is probably bad, and narcissism is one of them, but it's arguably not even the worst.

also haruhi is best girl Nanonymous No.11836 [D][U][F] >>11837
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>>11835
>you're trying to appear better than me
on an anonymous forum about ceramic painting? what would even be the point of that? that would be retarded of me.
>narcissicism = bad
eh you said that not me, i was arguing that i disagree with your definition on it, anyway narcissism can cause problem whenever an identity is involved, i think is pretty innocuos here but could be a big problem IRL cause it makes you have a distorted view of reality which results in arrogance and irrational behavior.

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>>11836
Well, fuck me sideways.
At this point I don't know if you masterfully dodged it or you are just that retarded. I'm inclined to believe in the latter though, since you left an immense amount of dumb thoughts in your last post, not even speaking about putting words in my mouth.

Now, sorry for being a bit abusive maybe, I don't mean most of it, I just don't want to talk with you or our other friend here on such topics ever again. It's not even frustrating, I just feel I'm infinitely more experienced than you, which I shouldn't really.

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>>11837
>oh i'm soo more experienced and smarter than you that we're not even on the same plane of existence to have a discussion

speaking about arrogance

>never talk to me about this stuff ever again, your opinions offend me!

such snowflake

Nanonymous No.11839 [D] >>11842 >>11845

Imagine how much of this gay ass thread could have been whittled down if instead of arguing over defintions, the worst and more boring type of argument, star and anime avi just outlined their interpretations of the word narcissist the second they realized theirs didn't match up and from that point on made it clear which interpretation they were referring to while arguing.

Nanonymous No.11842 [D][U][F] >>11844
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>>11839
I didn't even argue about definitions. I said exactly what I wanted to say, and my opponents turned it into a shitfest. I am guilty of playing along though.
>Imagine how much of this gay ass thread could have been whittled down if instead of arguing over defintions
This thread shouldn't even exist. It hurts me physically. Like, if my two opponents are worms, OP is a jellyfish. xD
>star and anime avi just outlined their interpretations of the word narcissist the second they realized theirs didn't match up and from that point on made it clear which interpretation they were referring to while arguing
I am this close… Nevermind, I actually WILL accuse you of minor retardation, as you didn't understand my intentions ITT at all. I just wanted some lighthearted conversation about whatever, but apparently somebody's egos were too frail or otherwise I wouldn't see any of this:
>on an anonymous forum about ceramic painting? what would even be the point of that?
>eh you said that not me, i was arguing that i disagree with your definition
>it makes you have a distorted view of reality which results in arrogance and irrational behavior
> speaking about arrogance
> >never talk to me about this stuff ever again, your opinions offend me!
> such snowflake
Like, what the heck is this. I could greentext more BTW. Also this got me thinking about dropping avatars, like, none of this would've happened if it wasn't posted with my avatar, wanna bet?

I am special BTW xD Not that you should care about it, but I just am. It's hard.

OMaaNq0Q_-4 - lighten the mood

Nanonymous No.11844 [D] >>11847

>>11842
>This thread shouldn't even exist
I'm glad it exists because it's genuinely funny. I just re-read the whole argument and I can't even find single point of actual contention that isn't based on miscommunication and bruised egos.

Nanonymous No.11845 [D] >>11847 >>11851

>>11834
>There is no wordplay since a narcissist is a fairly casual word
Well shit, it must be some strong cultural barrier. I'd say it's on a different level from, say, attention whore. Which I would consider casual.
>no you didn't - you pulled some invalid analogy out of your ass
Unless you consider a personality disorder and a physical addiction to be not on the same level, I stand by what I said.
>You may start by explaining the "as easy" part
Too little people - physically not enough mental reserves or energy to deal with a disruptor. Think deliberately spamming a really small forum or well poisoning a circle of, say, 6 people. Too many people - very easy to consensus crack, D&C and (your favorite tactic). Take 4um as an example and the various Discord groups gay oping the place, if you find a non-banned VPN. Real life examples would have to be confined to some location. I guess Occupy Wall Street would be a vocal one.
>you would find that communities must have the immune system from both internal and external threats
An immune system is not some impenetrable thing, even in a non-analogous sense. People naturally form hierarchies anyway and it's one plausible vector of attack for said bullshit. It's also harder to combat it if the person doing it has an already established reputation. Hence why people dislike avatarfagging.
>So, are they supremely intelligent or not?
They're "supremely intelligent". I encased it in quotes in the original post.
>you say it as if it would be some military-tier structure with people frozen in place
I don't see that personally, at least not in this. Nothing militaristic about it, just easier to crash something from higher up.
>Kill yourself BTW.
Very menacing, Western loli-chan :^)

>>11833
I did humor all his points when thinking of a community like that and the only thing I could think of is a cult-lite. Maybe I'm small-minded like that.
>as some weird closed system
If one of the rules is it being totally fine to kill any human outside the community, it'd have to follow, no?

>>11839
It's Pride Month after all. Gotta celebrate by doing gay shit.

Nanonymous No.11847 [D][U][F] >>11851 >>11859
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>>11845
>I'd say it's on a different level from, say, attention whore. Which I would consider casual.
>Unless you consider a personality disorder and a physical addiction to be not on the same level
>Too little people - physically not enough mental reserves or energy to deal with a disruptor.
>Too many people - very easy to consensus crack, D&C and
>Take 4um as an example and the various Discord groups gay oping the place
>An immune system is not some impenetrable thing
>People naturally form hierarchies anyway and it's one plausible vector of attack
>Hence why people dislike avatarfagging.
>just easier to crash something from higher up.
>the only thing I could think of is a cult-lite
Just shut the fuck up, like, if you don't see the retardation in claims like these, you have to see a doctor or something.

>>11844
Please save me from them and say something actually smart/insightful on the thread subject. It may be impossible, but you can try.

Nanonymous No.11851 [D] >>11859 >>11862

>>11847
>>11845
Ignoring whether the word narcissist has to be interpreted as a mental disorder or not, I do think no-fun makes various assumptions about what this hypothetical community would be like like that aren't necessarily deterministic of OP's premise.
Even if small very insular groups would be wary of the threat of subversion, that doesn't mean they wouldn't ever let OP in if he possessed all the required qualities, and I don't think OP wants to subvert the group anyways he just wants to join them. Also even if the group would resemble a cult in some ways that doesn't mean it would therefore have a hierchary like a cult does. The more subtle hiarchies that do naturally form in communities often create subgroups inside the main group and wouldn't give a single individual total power over any given member like described in the slow burn to insanity scenario. You could create a hypothetical community like that sure, but we have no reason to assume this of OP's community.
Anyways, OP clearly means for this group to also be smart, (atheist and have intellectual hobbies), but I don't think the premise requires them to be so smart that they're able to fend off any and all subversion attempts. I think no-fun just threw that out there to address some sort of imagined flawed counter argument.
Obviously reputation can be leveraged to sway and subvert a community but I think when avatarfags damage imageboard communities it's almost never due to being too reputatable and almost always due to spamming obnoxious garbage and drawing all attention to themselves. Something about needing to make sure people know who you are goes along with attention whoring, who would have guessed. Nanochan has had a mixed bag with its avatarfags with Star and lain contributing to discussion more often than derailing it and asuka hapa spammer and umarufag doing the opposite, and I can't imagine any of them being able to leverage their massive reputations to subvert the site in any meaningful way.

Nanonymous No.11852 [D]

maybe a few cults

Nanonymous No.11859 [D][U][F] >>11860
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>>11847
>Just shut the fuck up
Shiggy.

>>11851
>I don't think OP wants to subvert the group anyways he just wants to join them
I just doubted he has those qualities in the first place, seeing as he posted this here.
>The more subtle hiarchies that do naturally form in communities often create subgroups
That's true.
>to address some sort of imagined flawed counter argument
Just an absolute worst-case scenario of something that's able to make the community impure. With the qualities that he listed, is it that flawed?
>almost never due to being too reputatable and almost always due to spamming obnoxious garbage and drawing all attention to themselves
It's mostly shitposting, but you can also sway people's opinions once they have something to put a face on, other than specific posting styles.
>Nanochan has had a mixed bag with its avatarfags
Per total posters, it probably has the largest percentage from any chan that I visit. I do remember a post about somebody that found this place via Discord, that could explain things.
>I can't imagine any of them being able to leverage their massive reputations to subvert the site in any meaningful way
It's been surprisingly peaceful.

Nanonymous No.11860 [D] >>11862 >>11863 >>11870

>>11859
>you can also sway people's opinions once they have something to put a face on
I think this is somewhat true but in a kind of hazy way. People take words coming from a symbol of authority much more seriously than they normally would, and a user who constantly sees an avatarfag posting in whatever sort of discussion might assign some sort of special expert status to that avatarfag which they wouldn't to an anonymous user. People also grow attachments to things through repeated exposure so I can imagine a user letting their guard down to the ideas of a frequent avatarfag like you would for one of your friends. This sort of thing is much less likely to affect a savvy and experienced user though so I would hope any sort of quality internet community would be fairly immune to the wiles of some subversive avatarfag.
On the flip side, anonymity is maybe an even more powerful tool if your goal is to subvert and destroy a small online community. That anti porn guy has such an autistic way of presenting his ideas that it was obvious it was just him samefagging but if he blended in better I and others like the admin might have thought that a large section of the nanochan userbase really does want to ban pornography.

Nanonymous No.11862 [D][U][F] >>11865
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>>11851
Thanks, you're my hero!

>I don't think the premise requires them to be so smart that they're able to fend off any and all subversion attempts
Just what the fuck is this with all the subversion shit? Do you subvert communities left right and center any day of the week or what? OP's community, if exists, will take months or maybe years to "subvert" if it ever works out, and somebody claims it's fucking "ez". Go fuck yourself.
>I think no-fun just threw that out there to address some sort of imagined flawed counter argument.
This alone is the sign of his retardation TBH.
>I think when avatarfags damage imageboard communities it's almost never due to being too reputatable and almost always due to spamming obnoxious garbage and drawing all attention to themselves.
EXACTLY.
Anyway, the closest yours truly was to "subverting the community" because of my "substantial reputation" occured mostly because the community royally fucked up in the first place, and also was rather unique in that way. Also there were other forces inside the community to sway it the other way, innate and natural. It was an Internet forum place of course. IRL would be even more difficult.
BTW I never tried to actually subvert anyone, people just tend to like me. Though I'm kinda tryharding to be likeable, like, I don't do anything wrong EVER, OK?
Oh, and don't talk shit about the asukaposter, he's two heads above this 11859 motherfucker as far as reading comprehension goes, at least.

>>11860
Over the years of imageboard using, I think it's better to have a pseudonymous identity than not. The best posters are very identifiable, and dare I say, legendary. Period.

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>>11860
>a user who constantly sees an avatarfag posting in whatever sort of discussion might assign some sort of special expert status to that avatarfag which they wouldn't to an anonymous user
I believe this is not hard to mitigate, if you don't like it. There is no cryptographic proof in an avatar that the person using it is the same person each time. Anyone can impersonate me, or starnigger, or lainfag. It only takes two people using the same avatar for the "problem" to be solved.

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subverting the community

Nanonymous No.11865 [D] >>11866 >>11870

>>11862
I'll give asukafag some credit for not being the worst avatarfag on the site despite going out of his way to actively try to be
>Over the years of imageboard using, I think it's better to have a pseudonymous identity than not. The best posters are very identifiable, and dare I say, legendary. Period.
That's funny because the quality that most resonates with me that makes the great posts and threads feel legendary is that they were made purely for their own sake because the poster really wanted to say it. The best parts of imageboards shine as brightly as they do specifically because the users aren't held down by reputations and are free to really do and say anything with no social consequences, and sometimes genuine creatively can come out of that. Well at least I'd like to think it's that and not just teenager discovering the internet nostalgia, it's been a pretty long time since I've felt that way about anything posted on any imageboard. I also can't even think of a poster besides you I would be able to recognize just by the way they write for non repetitive and obnoxious reasons, so I don't really see how you're so easily able to recognize the best poster's identities. I don't mind the avatarfagging here btw, it adds a bit of flavor to make up for the low activity
>>11863
It's pretty much not even a real problem

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>>11865
>they do specifically because the users aren't held down by reputations
I would say there is a thing such as "the reputation of the swarm". The moment people noticed how cool it could be posting without identities, they became prone to getting trapped into the idea of denying any identities and even being afraid of doing so. Like, it's not universal, I guess, but it's pretty evident.

Expressing myself poetically, you want to be rather a shapeshifter than a faceless void.

Nanonymous No.11867 [D] >>11870

>>11866
Yeah, I mean, I definitely can't say that anonymity is the cure for groupthink, or even that the absense of personal reputation elliminates ego from clouding the discussion. I'm not sure I could prove the superiority of anon-ness to someone who felt differently because the appeal to me is almost more sentimental than technical. On this website you might talk to me again many times or you might never talk to me again, and you'd have no real way of knowing. The concept of myself from the eyes of other nanochan users begins and ends as my role in this thread and I just feel like that sort of dynamic gives each interaction a sort of emotional rawness that couldn't exist otherwise, even if nothing particularly exceptional is said.

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>>11860
Anonymous shilling tends to be done in groups, because even the most autistic mind slips up trying to samefag. But it does happen of course, otherwise everybody would want to start a board.
>I would hope any sort of quality internet community would be fairly immune to the wiles of some subversive avatarfag
Dumb shit tends to outweigh those in quantity, so it's hard not to be skeptical. And shitposting naturally attracts unironic retards, but without it fun is pretty hard to have.

>>11865
Op threads still tend to be creatively good, though the quality may vary.

>>11863
I'd say, to make it believable enough to somebody who's been exposed to said avatarfag for a while, it's an above average task. If it's impersonation you want and not just running the avatar into shit.

>>11866
They noticed that, without a clear identity, only your word would be considered. The only way to protect that is to beat down anybody deviating from the swarm.

>>11867
It's actually the right kind of groupthink, in a way. Not only do you get the benefit of discussing things without identities, but you can also act in an efficient and fluid way. That acting usually amounts to shitting places up or fucking with people, but nonetheless. Though I do feel like anonymity of that sort is going away and even being adopted by state actors.

Nanonymous No.11872 [D] >>11875 >>11879

>>11870
>Anonymous shilling tends to be done in groups, because even the most autistic mind slips up trying to samefag.

Wrong pal. It's very easy to change your writing style if you know what you are doing.

A government trained provocateur like some jewish internet defense force shill can easily adopt several different writing styles.

I don't samefag here but I still change up my writing style a bit between different days just because it makes me feel more secure.

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>>11872
same
it's good to know i'm not the only autist that does that, it's harder with images
of course i could avoid posting them, but where's the fun then

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>>11875
I, too, do that.
I also think people actually can argue with themselves to make others interested in discussion. Not that I had to resort to that.

Nanonymous No.11879 [D]

>>11872
>>11875
I guess I'm wrong on that front. But I would consider it an above average skill. The alternative is just me being stupid, which is possible. Have to start doing it as well.

>>11877
>I also think people actually can argue with themselves to make others interested in discussion. Not that I had to resort to that.
It's a good exercise. Playing devil's advocate against yourself helps build stronger positions.

Nanonymous No.11880 [D]

>must not be interested in breeding
Sounds like you want to hang out with Wizards. Can't say what you seek actually exists, nothing rings a bell.

Wizard No.11882 [D]

I thought nanochan was a community of wizards

Nanonymous No.11887 [D]

There might be a few wizards here, but I doubt all are level 96 virgins.

Nanonymous No.12276 [D]

The issue with sexuality is its currency. Its not inherently bad , but almost always, it's used to gain power and priviledge which is corruptive . How can people fuck without seeking advantage. I just dont know how to deal with that problem