1. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY IN CHEAPEST WAYS POSSIBLE, without expensive rent, 40 year mortgage etc ? you can propose many different options and what's upfront and/or monthly cost
examples: living in RV/van/car, homeless/homelessness shelter, some cheap land and mobile home, sharing a flat or house with someone, etc
2. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY ANONYMOUSLY - that means, to have different official address (to get letters etc), but different true address (where you sleep, make food)? so the police or your enemies cannot easily come to your place to "suicide" you
There are many things to consider. I've recently been binging on jewtube "prepper" content and learning a lot about various ways to approach and embrace the frugal life. Things like solar energy aren't particularly viable at the moment, but in 5-10 years there likely will be cost effective. Learning to grow food and can/jar things is great as well.
>turn your boiler to the lowest setting
>buy a low flow (1.5GPM or lower) shower head
>avoid using gas/electricty for heat if at all possible, just wear more layers instead (if you can't handle 15 celsius in your home with a few layers on you're a fucking pussy)
>have everything plugged into power strip, shut it off whenever the devices aren't in use so they don't use phantom power, have dedicated power strips for each cluster of electronics (most important one by far, can save hundreds per year potentially, this includes things like leaving your phone charger in the wall like a retard)
>consider solar light bulbs, roughly $10-$30, though they only last for ~6 hours and probably aren't that useful if you're a troglodyte used to the dark, typically a grid down device
These are just some electricity saving things I've learned about. 99% of your savings will simply come from eating a proper diet that consists heavily of beans and rice. Any other penny pinching methods honestly pale in comparison to a bare bones bland healthy diet of rice, beans, oats, fruits, and vetetables.
I'm trying to find and compile a collection of decent and rare prepper/frugal living books, but some are only possible to find in paperback such as "Simply Prepared: A Guide to Emergency Preparedness and Food Storage". Maybe I might buy it and do scans of it, could be a nice little hobby.
>>3807 >have everything plugged into a power strip
good idea. things like computers and routers and phones and talmudvisions use a significant amount of power when switched off, to the point where some devices feel warm (no doubt sending info to the NSA).
Obtain a power strip with individual switches for each plug.
>>3809 Yup, from what I've read it can make some huge savings. They have strips for just about any use case as well. Ones with timers, ones that react to certain devices turning off like your TV and disables everything else connected (though this keeps your TV using phantom power), and ones that you can manually turn off but allow a few plugs on them to stay on. You can always just go with the cheap old fashion power strips and turn them off when you don't need them though. Making sure to configure your computer to use a hibernation mode is also not a bad idea. Turning it off at the strip will use less power of course, but it's a little inconvenient. But considering that you need to draw power for your monitors as well it may be worth doing.
>>3810 >computers
My computer (which is from 2006 or something) has a bios option to restart the computer if it's shut off from any source other than the power button. Basically if you unplug it and then plug it back in some time later it will turn on again.
Incidentally, I also run OpenBSD, which like a lot of other UNIX-like OSes allows you to halt the system rather than use acpi poweroff.
So whenever I want to turn things off, I halt (shutdown -h now) and then just switch off my whole ppwer strip. Nice and convenient.
I don't even think newer computers have that sort of option anymore.
>>3850 It's more likely to be an inadequately sized swap partition or swap file. The swap space needs to be at least as large as the physical memory in your computer.
>>3900 >using meme filesystems with bloated code designed to protect against retards and normies who pull the plug instead of using the OS to shut down
>>3773 > actually being an "oppressed group"
here in my snow country asian bug-"people" are given citizenship if their kids are born inside of our borders. After that, they go for "maternal capital", various bullshit social media (yeah, i know) tactics - like posting himself with jewelry, removing "poor" friends, using hard cash and only depositing in the bank. This way clerks grant a much more generous deals. Look into govt programs for disabled/poor/minority/women "people" and get some mad tax-payer sponsored dosh. Get pensions, there are lotsa ways to get 'em.
>being anonymous
and living in different place is practically useless: don't forget browser fingerprints, internet usage, cell-phone (you aren't dumb enough to use "smartphone" i presume), mail correspondence usage, neighbour gossip, market calls, tv antenna (yes, i know, right, you are not living alone) usage, wi-fi hotspot output power, friends network. If you wish true anonymity - just never talk about it and about yourself.
Simply having separate address for healthcare and mail correspondence is not feasible, for you are living in your other property (mil recruits check every nick and corner both yours and your friends, imagine what happens when a real guys have to "suicide" you). Simple and dumb as bricks early intruder alarm system is your friend! Even a tin can will do, some optical intruder counter also sounds nice, perfectly hidden IR camera is also a solid option.
>>3807 Never go for the meme "home-grown" food. It's same seeds, same pesticides, same shit basically, only unprocessed... Unless you have 50x50 square meters field of the most fertile land imaginable and it's somehow not "your" property located in distant place where cellular signal doesn't reach. Also initial investment in good tools is a serious bitch. Don't go for fancy wooden houses, build some cheapest available hole in a ground (hobbit house) and enjoy water every winter morning. Don't use heater at all. Ground should hold enough heat for you to not die from cold. Think not: it should last for a hundred years; think: it should be easy and comfortable enough to use and to throw away if the situation calls.
>>3884 (thanks, CIA derail!)
> using 5year old install of win7
> did not have to restore/repair once
what am i doing wrong, friendo?
or you are possibly *wink-wink* implying linux has no backdoors?
also thinkmeme has some real problems with c-states, systemdicks and horrendous IntelME.
>>3902 have you actually done any of this shit or are you just larping big time
>durr live in a hole in the ground
no thanks faggot, even if I would build an underground residence it would be made of concrete and steel. I'm not interested in running away from the (((government))) like a little cuck, I'm interested in being able to take down a good few of their goons and zogbots if (((they))) come for me.
>>3902 >Never go for the meme "home-grown" food.
It seems quite viable to me. A fully matured apple tree can potentially net you 200-300 apples per year from what I've read. Apples here are a dollar a pop. I can only imagine how much you could save by making vegetable/fruit gardening one of your main hobbies. It's certainly more productive than shit-posting on the computer.
>>3911 Non-commercial animal husbandry is dead simple also, there are savages the world over doing it. I knew a stupid single mother who kept chickens and goats.
I make about 300-400$ a month virtually not working.
Would that be enough to live in some shithole country like Thailand or China?
Living = having an apartment, food and internet.
>>3927 But if she's a single mother then she is probably stupid. Of course this is making assumptions blah blah but it is likely that some sort of degeneracy was at play in that family. To engage in degeneracy indicates low intelligence.
>>3902 >Never go for the meme "home-grown" food. It's same seeds, same pesticides, same shit basically, only unprocessed
What a nigger you are. Never heard of heirloom seeds? Natural "pesticides" and methods for controlling insects and weeds? You do realize that small-scale agriculture fed empires for thousands of years before the invention of GMO crops and the founding of DuPont, Inc. right?
>buy a low flow (1.5GPM or lower) shower head
that saves what, a dollar a year? saving on heat bill is all that matters
>avoid using gas/electricty for heat if at all possible, just wear more layers instead (if you can't handle 15 celsius in your home with a few layers on you're a fucking pussy)
wut. literally just need one sweater at 16, and in the day / active time a t-shirt is good enough
>>3946 >that saves what, a dollar a year?
Closer to $30-$80 per year depending on how many you have in your household and how long they take showers for. At 1.5GPM you're not going to notice any real difference either. Lower than that and it will probably impact your ability to shower properly.
>wut. literally just need one sweater at 16, and in the day / active time a t-shirt is good enough
I just wear a hoodie at 11, and some fingerless gloves. Most people are pussies about the cold though. Wish I had some sort of fireplace, but they don't really make houses with those anymore.
>>3952 >Fireplace
they are a waste of your precious firewood. get one of those cast iron wood stove thingies with a chimney that let you cook or boil water while radiating heat out to the room. one of my friends is rich and has a house-boat with one of those, very comfy
>>3935 "Freelancing". I have no valuable skills but am somewhat good at convincing people to pay me for doing simple crap.
$400 is an average wage in my country.
>>3901 >using meme linux filesystems that will corrupt your files if you lose electricity or some hardware failure will shut down your PC
>>3911 >It seems quite viable to me. A fully matured apple tree can potentially net you 200-300 apples per year from what I've read.
apples are not food. they are sugar with water. you won't survive on them, you will die from diabetes and cavites
>>3924 >I make about 300-400$ a month virtually not working.
how?
>Would that be enough to live in some shithole country like Thailand or China?
are you sure you want this? they are horrible places
>>3946 >wut. literally just need one sweater at 16, and in the day / active time a t-shirt is good enough
but you are fat and eat a lot of food
>>5690 >apples are not food
What is the point in being this disingenuous? Obviously you can grow other things and save a lot of money, the apples were just an example.
>you will die from diabetes and cavities
Many nations where the people survive almost entirely on fruit based diets have the lowest rate of diabetes and cavities. The idea that fruit sugar is bad for you is just wrong. Either way like I said apples are just one of a thousand things you can easily grow in your backyard to save money.
>but you are fat and eat a lot of food
Once you've spent a week or two acclimating to the cold 16 degrees is quite warm. Unless you're a shit-skin you should have no problem dealing with 10-15 degrees house temperature even while being relatively thin. By that point your house shouldn't even be capable of getting that cold since it should be insulated properly. There is essentially no reason a man should ever need to turn the heat on, unless you have small children or elderly living with you.
You type and act like you're straight out of pigchan. If that's the case fuck off we're full.
>>5716 Not the other guy you were replying to:
>Many nations where the people survive almost entirely on fruit
... are not white. White people are not adapted for that and it would be reasonable to say that it might cause health problems. Living entirely on fruit is nomadic behaviour from people who just pluck whatever shit off the plants they are walking past.
>>5690 >Thailand or China
>horrible places
I think most poor Asian countries are ok to live in if you have money. A small amount of money goes a long way. Maybe China is too much of a shithole, but I think you could live quite comfortably in Thailand (or in the philippines) if you had some money. Like jim for example. Unfortunately, people willing to engage in such traitorous behaviour often end up racemixing as well and the results aren't good.
>>5716 >acclimating to the cold 16 degrees is quite warm
So much this. I'm thin btw.
>>5690 >you are fat
Why do fatties wear 4 layers in mild winter and not-feminized healthy men don't?
>>5736 When you're trying to survive off of your own land a couple of fruits a day aren't going to hurt you. Fruits are healthy even to whites. No where was it ever stated that you should attempt to live entirely off of only apples as your diet.
On the whole food thing. Hunter and gatherers had no problems with cavities or diabetes (expect in some cases where tribes had access to very sweet fruit, mainly in Africa). But the fruits we have today are fucked because they have been bred to be super sweet and thus give you cavities and diabetes if you eat too much of them. Simple conclusion: if you want to eat sweet modern fruit you need dentists and or toothpaste, or you can say goodbye to your teeth.
>>5979 People get cavities because they are retarded and eat artificial sugary foods all day then proceed to literally never brush or floss properly. You don't need toothpaste to clean your teeth. It helps, but baking soda will just as easily get the job done. Brushing with just water is fine as well as long as you are flossing. Flossing is much more important than anything else. If you want to never take care of your teeth like some kind of disgusting nigger then avoid sugar, but if you can muster the effort to run a string through your gums once a day it should be of no concern.
>>5690 >how?
-> >>5381 >are you sure you want this? they are horrible places
Sure. My country is just slightly better in some aspects, but is getting worse. And most importantly the cost of living here is apparently way higher. And is getting higher.
>>5690 >>5716 im skinny as fuck. also i have some disease that makes my hands super cold which is the only real problem at 16C
the real question is how low you can go without causing damage and moisture buildup in the house
>>6933 I've been living in 6-9 degrees celsius for the last month straight as I don't have heating in my current home. It's not fun but if you're not a pussy and pack a few layers on it's fine temporarily. At 10+ degrees I'm perfectly fine and warm. 15+ degrees and it's toasty. Your body acclimates to the temperature it's in. If you can force yourself to be cold for extended periods of time you'll get more and more comfortable with it.
>the real question is how low you can go without causing damage
I believe frost bite can only start to occur typically around 4 degrees. If your house is insulated properly it's basically impossible for it to get this cold though. My environment is about the worst possible scenario and the lowest it gets is 6 degrees. If you seriously can't handle 16 degrees you either need to suck it up and acclimate or put on some weight and stop being a lanky feminine faggot.
>>6942 oh shit nigga u crazy. my botnet thermostat breaks sometimes so the furnace doesnt start at all and i come back after a few days and its around 10C so yeah maybe ur right
>>3773 Not an expert myself, but I do try to leave a lesser carbon footprint/minimalist lifestyle.
A good tip is to live inside the university, in case you do study. You'll get energy, internet and water for free, also a simpler life.
Being a complete anonymous is basically impossible, but being unknown is a good option.
Stay as low as possible in the radar. It will be easier for you to be anonymous that way.
>>6961 >Not an expert myself, but I do try to leave a lesser carbon footprint/minimalist lifestyle.
CO2 has a negligible effect on climate, it never has and never will have. Plants take the C (carbon) out of CO2 and emit O2 (oxygen). Climate is pretty much dictated by the Sun.
>>>/pol/1858
>>6966 Sadly, climate is changing and food will be the first casualty, the Sun has been entering a solar minimum for some time now and the weather will get more extreme, unstable, unpredictable as time goes on.
>but don't let that deter you from saving money on electricity/gas and living a minimalist lifestyle.
True, minimalism can be nice, but don't go to extremes with it, don't randomly throw stuff away for example.
>>6966 You know what I mean, western influence climate change is a meme.
>but don't go to extremes with it, don't randomly throw stuff away for example.
You shouldn't throw things away, but giving away/recycling excess is certainly a good idea. You could sell it too but I've never really been comfortable selling my used shit.
>>6969 >[Anthropogenic] climate change is a meme
Could have figured that you meant that. And yes, giving away/recycling/selling stuff is better than throwing it away.
>>5986 OK now, I though I was being rused again, but I bought a floss string today and used it. Before that I rarely brushed my teeth, because my gums got inflammations regardless of me changing toothbrushes or pastes so I gave up.
Holy fuck. I couldn't believe that much rotten meat cat fit between teeth with me not feeling it. Here go my gum inflammation. I picked like four small pieces unseen in the mirror neither felt by my gums/teeth, but rotting there.
I will now floss daily. Never though an imageboard could save my teeth of all things, but thank you.
>>5986 OK now, I though I was being rused again, but I bought a floss string today and used it. Before that I rarely brushed my teeth, because my gums got inflammations regardless of me changing toothbrushes or pastes so I gave up.
Oh my. I couldn't believe that much rotten meat cat fit between teeth with me not feeling it. Here go my gum inflammation. I picked like four small pieces unseen in the mirror neither felt by my gums/teeth, but rotting there.
I will now floss daily. Never though an imageboard could save my teeth of all things, but thank you.
1. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY IN CHEAPEST WAYS POSSIBLE, without expensive rent, 40 year mortgage etc ? you can propose many different options and what's upfront and/or monthly cost
examples: living in RV/van/car, homeless/homelessness shelter, some cheap land and mobile home, sharing a flat or house with someone, etc
2. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY ANONYMOUSLY - that means, to have different official address (to get letters etc), but different true address (where you sleep, make food)? so the police or your enemies cannot easily come to your place to "suicide" you