Have you ever heard the gospel? It's this:
>John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Manifestly, God exists (pic related). The fact of creation points to a creator, and that creator is the God of the Bible.
You and I are not perfect. We sin, and all sin is egregious and makes us unworthy of entering God's presence in heaven upon death. In spite of our unworthiness, God condescended to us in human form to offer Himself as a sacrifice on the cross, then he rose again on the third day (Easter). The message of the Bible is this: if you ask for forgiveness on account of the action of Jesus, you too will conquer death by gaining eternal life.
If you're not a Christian, why not? I earnestly want to persuade you for your own sake.
>why not?
Because Of learning, by the grace of God, he had none at all. If he had he would not have been so fat. It often happens that when the soul languishes the flesh makes holiday, when the soul blooms the flesh fades. I like being lean.
Before Cucshianity(salvation through Christ) there was Gnosticism(salvation through knowledge) but the people in power didn't want their slaves to be smart, knowledgeable and educated hence Cusshianity gained major support and promotion. Coincidentally this is why the Prussian system of education came into being and the trivium no longer taught--it leads to slaves that are capable of thinking for themselves, difficult to control and dominate.
<Cucshianity if for the cucks
>>13810 >Prussian system of education came into being and the trivium no longer taught--it leads to slaves that are capable of thinking for themselves, difficult to control and dominate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues >Gehorsam
>Zurückhaltung
>Selbstverleugnung
>Ordnungssinn
>Unterordnung
Nation of repressed cucks.
You can learn about all of the virtues that Christianity touts as their own from either previous sources (given that it borrows heavily from religious material that came before it), or just works of philosophy. Without having to entertain the Semitic equivalent of a doormat youngest brother.
>I earnestly want to persuade you for your own sake.
I heard North Sentinel Island is in dire need of faith, maybe you should try going there as a missionary.
>>13810 The question of the politics around gnosticism vs Christianity in the early church era has no play on the truthfulness of the claim that Jesus is Lord. This is a classic oversimplified victim narrative a la "we wuz kangs"
The actual theology of gnosticism is indefensible. It is entirely based on the premise that the divine gave you "hidden knowledge" that leads to some superior state, and supported by extremely tenuous apocryphal ancient writings and blatant misreadings of the Christian Bible.
This of course is unfalsifiable, because if your belief is based on the idea that you were supernaturaly gifted with secret wisdom your debate opponent can't disprove this secret wisdom, and you can't prove it externally.
gnosticism is yoga soccer mom level spirituality.
>>13817 If Christianity was just a set of moral teachings, I would agree that it's not necessary to become a Christian if those truths were also found elsewhere. This however is not the cause of Christianity: Christianity is the claim that belief in Christ is the exclusive means of eternal life.
>>13805 >(pic related)
did you not read your own pic? It disproves the existence of god. A similar disproval is provided by Adams:
> Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that something so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
> The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing.' 'But, says Man, the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and vanishes in a puff of logic
Consider also John 2:50:
>50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
>51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Jesus instructs us to believe in him because us his acts... But belief in god requires faith! Therefore, Jesus must not exist.
I think Christians also frequently miss the transcendental beauty underlying a scientific outlook:
>While religion might have access to certain factual truths, like that angels existed or that the souls of the damned spent eternity writhing in a land of fire thousands of miles beneath the Earth, it is powerless to discuss human values and age-old questions like “what is the Good?” or “what is the purpose of my existence?” Atheistic science should be thought of not as a literal attempt to say things like “space is infinite and full of stars” or “humankind evolved from apes” that are known to be untrue, but is an attempt to record, in the form of stories, our ancestors’ answers to those great questions. When a scientist says “space is infinite and full of stars”, she does not literally mean that the crystal sphere surrounding the Earth doesn’t exist. She is metaphorically referring to the infinitude of the human spirit, the limitless possibilities it offers, and the brightness and enlightenment waiting to be discovered. Or when a scientist says “humankind evolved from apes”, she is not literally doubting the word of the archangel Uriel that humankind was created ex nihilo on October 13, 3761 BC and evolution added only as part of a later retconning – she is saying that humankind has an animal nature that it has barely transcended and to which it is always at risk of returning. When religious people mock atheists for supposedly getting their cosmology wrong, they are missing the true grandeur and beauty of atheism, a grandeur which had been passed on undiminished from Democritus to the present day and connected us to the great thinkers of times past.
Fundamentally, religion, and belief in god, requires faith, and we cannot believe something on mere faith that is so clear in front of our eyes. Whereas atheism and science demands us to believe, not because we have seen, or been given word by the hand of god himself, but rather because of suppositions, conjectures, because of the records of those that came before, and because of the beauty of those things they have told us. It requires true faith, not the fake faith of christianity.
>>13831 >It disproves the existence of god
No it does not. It gives an argument and shows a counter argument.
<some gay speech about the beauty of atheism
Christians can have a scientific outlook and they can indeed be scientists. In fact many famous scientists were Christians.
>the records of those that came before
The Bible includes many records of those that came before. It even tracks multiple generations going back to the first man on Earth.
>the fake faith of Christianity
There is nothing fake about the faith that other Christians and I have in God. We have faith in something that is true, rather than putting faith in theories which can be proven wrong. You are putting faith in things you do not even know are true. Having faith that something is true, but also knowing that it actually is only likely true and could potentially be invalidated is fake faith.
>>13832 >we have faith in something that is true
this is called knowledge, and is not any faith at all. I might say I have faith that my mother is in the next room. Why do I have this faith? Because I can hear her. This is not the same faith we speak of when we speak of faith in god, who we can only know insofar as he leaves us nothing to know him by.
>Having faith that something is true, but also knowing that it actually is only likely true and could potentially be invalidated is fake faith
Believing something even though the evidence is insufficient is the only true faith. This is distinct from knowing it is likely untrue. Newton's laws were fulfilled by Einstein a century ago, and yet we still instruct them to children in school. They remain true for small objects at slow speeds. I have faith, despite them being no different, fundamentally, from any other physical law, that they will remain true for the rest of eternity. I do not have faith in something that is likely untrue. I have faith in something that has every right to be untrue, and yet isn't. That is true faith. God has no right, after he has filled volumes with his word, after he has descended to earth and given us his son, to suddenly cease existing. At the very least, he would always exist in the hearts of man. Science has no such restriction - and yet it remains true nonetheless.
>>1833 >They remain true for small objects at slow speeds
No, Newtonian physics is always wrong. You 'can' say that Newtonian physics is a good approximation of actual physics at slow speeds though.
>>13805 >Manifestly, God exists (pic related). The fact of creation points to a creator
Thank you for posting this image proving the existence of Allah (swt). But have you accepted the revelation of the Seal of the Prophets (Muhammad (pbuh)).
I implore you to say the Shahada in front of an imam and revert to Islam and be saved.
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The Bible is true and Jesus is Lord.
Did you know the Bible speaks about the Earth being round and suspended in space years before it became common knowledge?
clearnet links incoming, or just look up Isaiah 40:22 and Job
>>13857 Wheels are round, but they're not spherical. Neither of the passages you quoted refers to the earth as a sphere. Isaiah 40:22 seems to be referring to the earth as a flat circle, over which the heavens are pitched like a tent. That's entirely consistent with the structure of the world as described in Genesis (pic related).
The passage from Job doesn't even mention the shape of the earth. And saying that God "hangeth the earth upon nothing" isn't especially impressive, because the Earth isn't
>suspended in space
That's not how gravitation works.
Finally, even if these passages had contained some scientific knowledge (which they don't), there would be nothing especially precocious about it. Biblical scholars believe that both Job and the part of Isaiah that contains chapter 40 were written in the 6th century BC. During that same century, both Pythagoras and Parmenides taught that the earth was spherical, so these ideas were by no means unheard of in the Mediterranean at the time.
But, of course, that's not what these passages are saying. Trying to argue that the Bible is true because it contains accurate, ancient scientific knowledge (presumably via God's inspiration) is a fool's errand.
Your dog... err god... is a jewish lie. Had the jews not taken over the minds of Europeans two thousand years ago, you'd be praising Zeus/Jupiter/Thor or whatever fictional bullshit our kind thought up in order to soothe the discomfort of not knowing the truth Science(tm) began teaching us since Galilei's days!
>>15340 The bible also states that the earth is in empty space.
Job 26:7
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing"
>>15342 Oy vey let's make a religion to deceive those filthy goyim. I have a brilliant idea. Let's make the main character of this religion call us the children of the devil John 8:44! then let's add onto that the fact that we kill him! then even better we have him call us the synagogue of satan Revelation 2:9, 3:9. Also let's add the old testament which literally states our true identity! Ezekiel 36:5.
Here is the truth. Adam was the progenitor of the European people. His name which means ruddy and to show blood in the face in strong's exhaustive concordance. Furthermore David was described as ruddy with a beautiful countenance 1 Samuel 16:12, 1 Samuel 17:42 Solomon as well songs of solomon 5:10. Not to mention nazarites in general lamentations 4:7 were described as whiter than milk. Finally Jesus himself was described as white revelation 1:14. The final truth bomb is that the Jews co-opted the original Israelite religion in order to deceive the masses. In revelation 12, it talks about a flood in an attempt to destroy the remnant of Israels seed. We are that seed. The flood is the immigrants and the women is Europe. The dragon represents the Jews since satan is master over them. This can simply be interpreted as the Jews release the flood of immigrants on Europe in an attempt to destroy the culture, history and race of Europe. By the way just going to say the bible states that something will intervene it is described as the earth and will open holes genocide? to get rid of them.
You might be wondering b-but love my enemies. Well yes and no. consider this. You should love your people no matter what they have done that is what forgiveness is. However you seem to misunderstand where Jesus is coming from. During the adulteress story when she was going to be stoned. He basically came up stopped the stoning and then told her to NEVER DO IT AGAIN. This is what people miss out on. Jesus also says that those who live by the sword die by the sword. My answer to that is simply sometimes there are things worth dying for. Hence Ecclesiastes 3. Jesus came specifically for Europeans Matthew 15:24. Remember this catholicism means universalism. It is not christianity. Pastorism is not christianity. Christianity is following the teachings of Jesus Christ. Paul himself was a false apostle. He was either a roman attempt to neutralize christianity or more likely a Jewish attempt to destroy it so people would misinterpret it.
What about niggers. Bible answers that as well. According to genesis there was 2 separate creation accounts.
Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them"
Note the specific use of the word female here because in Genesis 2 he created Adam and eventually after that he made Eve with the holy spirit. Hence why bastards i.e mongrels aren't allowed into the kingdom of God Deuteronomy 23:2. You're essentially destroying the soul of your child if you mongrelize.
Finally we get to the final bit. The 3 sons of noah brought forth 3 differing caucasian people groups. The Hamites the Japhethites and finally the Shemites. (((modern))) bible preachers will tell you that Hamites are niggers, Japhethites are Europeans and Asians and Semites are Arabs and Jews. This is false. The truth is that Hamites are Europeans, Japhethites are Europeans and Semites are Europeans. Both Arabs and Jews are mongrels. Arab in hebrew literally means mongrel.
>>15340 You... you do realize that people have read Genesis as allegorical for pretty much all of history, right? Augustine even gives some really neat explanations of the symbolism of the creation of everything (ex, the light and darkness created on the first day are the angels, a segment of which led by Lucifer rebel against God and become the "darkness").
Same thing for your other points. Stop trying to read as literal things that aren't and don't need to be. The Catholic Church provides the only authoritative interpretation of scripture. Anything you've heard from (((protestants))) is a jewish lie designed to pick at the flock and subvert the faithful. As Nietzsche said, the best way to argue against something is to defend it with bad arguments. If you truly want to see the beauty and inerrancy of the bible, read the early church fathers and the catechism.
I don’t deny that religion plays an important social and cultural function, and I personally believe that without an unquestionable system of ethics, beliefs, and etiquette that society can not fundamentally function, long term. To maintain a society you need a homogenous system of social norms, and religion just so happens to provide the best content for this. Not only is it something that in a healthy society is universal, therefore creating an all encompassing belief system which is agreed upon by the great majority, church and other religious institutions serve a great role within the community, they are the one thing that has brought everyone together in harmony, as a collective not only vowing to be faithful to the one system of ethics, but as a family, vowing to look out in one another. I don’t necessarily think you need the voodoo for that, but it makes things simpler and more concrete.
My main problem with religion is that it often fools the more intelligent members of our society. I see religion as essentially being the glue holding together the masses, but I find the idea of genuinely intelligent people falling for such nonsense to not only be ridiculous, but worrying. It is understandable why the average unquestioning man would fall for it, and as I’ve said before, a necessary thing, but why a critical mind would fall for such nonsense is beyond me.
And as for Christianity itself. I’d be wholly against it, but I’m not retarded enough to think Paganism is a viable option at this point, unfortunately. I don’t like Christianity mainly because it’s not only a universal religion, but a foreign one. Just thinking of millions of Europeans dying in some desert in the Middle East for a foreign Jewish God sickens me, oh yeah and what happened during the 13th and 14th centuries was pretty unfortunate too. But seriously, the idea that so many Europeans now, and then died in service of such a foreign and insidious religion does sicken me.
And that’s not to mention the fact that Christianity is the biggest copout imaginable. The idea that simply believing in a Jewish deity or getting half drowned as a child makes you a moral person in this religion is once again sickening. If you are a genuinely moral person you don’t have to be forced by the hand of God, or outright forgiven for all your sins, you will simply by your nature be a good person, not for a God, not for yourself, but because it is the right thing to do.
>John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."
Manifestly, God exists (pic related). The fact of creation points to a creator, and that creator is the God of the Bible.
You and I are not perfect. We sin, and all sin is egregious and makes us unworthy of entering God's presence in heaven upon death. In spite of our unworthiness, God condescended to us in human form to offer Himself as a sacrifice on the cross, then he rose again on the third day (Easter). The message of the Bible is this: if you ask for forgiveness on account of the action of Jesus, you too will conquer death by gaining eternal life.
If you're not a Christian, why not? I earnestly want to persuade you for your own sake.