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Humans are robots. You're a robot. Next time you look in the mirror, tell yourself.
>I'm a robot
When you use this command your senses awaken. It's not a coincidence.
>>8863
People say that working 8-10 hours a day is not slaving away because people in the past supposedly worked harder. Even if that is true things should be better for modern worker as technology has made everything much faster. In reality working at some Chinese factory is much worse than farming without modern equipment. Sure modern well paid work is easier on your body but it's also more time consuming and it deprives you of the most important thing called time. A farmer 200 years ago might not be rich but he at least had the time for his family and himself.
>>8876
>People say that working 8-10 hours a day is not slaving away because people in the past supposedly worked harder.
Some people might have worked harder, but they didn't work longer. A Harvard professor by the name of Juliet Schorr added up all of the Catholic holidays, feast days, etc. as well as off-season times and found that modern Americans work more hours per year than medieval peasants did. And, while a medieval farmer might have done more physical labor than a modern farmer does, a modern plumber does a lot more physical labor than a medieval priest did.
Other researchers studying hunter-gatherer societies have found that people in those environments work, on average, 4 hours a day.
The reason that some people are able to drive Cadillacs, live in $350,000 houses, and eat filet mignon whenever they feel like it is because they are able to benefit from owning a share of other people's labor.
If you make the median salary in any modern economy, a large portion of the economic value you create goes to the government in the form of taxes and to your bosses (or the people who own the company that owns your bosses). You get the scraps.
I agree with everything posted but the way the penniless immigrants do it is communities. Individualism is slavery.
>>8878
>a large portion of the economic value you create goes to the government in the form of taxes and to your bosses
I don't really care about bosses or government, they take only a small fraction of "my" money. I'm more cocerned about money going for social support - all kinds of bums and lazy people. However that probably depends on country you work in...
>>8888
More like depends if you are cuck and ignorant or not. guess what hard-working /pol/igger, you are the former
Daily reminder that taxation is theft, this is now an anarcho-capitalist thread
>>8937
Theft means depriving someone of their property. If property is theft than everything is theft.
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Don't fix something that is not broken!
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>>8937
you can't even be a theft without property, property is at the base of our society, eliminate property and i could kill you without repercussion since you wouldn't own your body, property is something that emerged from our sense of self you should treasure it
>9023
My body, and thus my asshole, is not something which belongs to me, it is me. Therefore it cannot be defined as property of me. Furthermore, if it belongs to you then it is your property and not mine, it cannot both be my personal property and your private property simultaneously, unless I have lent it to you, which I haven't. In conclusion I find your argument unconvincing and request you leave my asshole alone, you filthy pervert.
>>9024
That would be public property. If it belonged to me it would be up to me whether you used it or not, if I did not have the right to do this it would not be my property.
>>9027
Then we can all agree that your asshole is not private property but is now public property, although it is personal to you. Hence I may also use it in the public interest for my personal needs.
>>9029
My asshole being part of me cannot be defined as my personal property though it is personal to me, my initial point was that all personal property is also private property and you have yet to provide a satisfactory rebuttal to this statement. My asshole is no-ones property so long as I have the ability to defend myself.
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>>8937
>>9017
>>9039
Theft implies i'm taking something away from somebody else without their consent, example: i buy a sandwich for a fair price from another person with their consent, it is now my private property, am i a thief? In my original post i implied that taxes are theft cause you are forced to pay them regardless of your consent(and if you don't their gonna force you), and their "price" is not fair(i don't have a word on it only they decide it) therefore they are indeed stealing from me. Personal property in economics is considered movable property as opposite to immovable property and doesn't have anything to do with private property, go study economics please.
>>9040
I have to work regardless of my consent (if I don't I'll starve to death). Now is my employer a thief?
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>>9043
No, cause he's buying your work at a fair price with your consent, if you don't work and if you don't have passive income(smart people invest) you are probably gonna have a bad time, but nobody is hurting you it just happen that your body has needs and thats not your employer(which is a person like you) responsibility it is your responsibility. Remember that theft is an active action, does your employer come every month and take money or other resources from you without your consent? (no, your government does thou)
>>9044
But what if he got his money forcefully in the first place? Or maybe it was his ancestors who did that. Is he still not a thief?
>>9047
>But what if he got his money forcefully
Who is he? Your employer? I don't undertand the question.
>Or maybe it was his ancestors who did that.
Are one of those cuckolds that want to give money to niggers only cause there was slavery once? I have no responsibility for the sins of my ancestors.
>>9052
I still don't get what you mean, what kind of employer takes money forcefully from you, usually employers pays you which is the opposite? Or you are talking about criminals? If he stole(i'm talking about actual stealing as in he took your stuff without your consent) money then yeah he is a thief by definition but i wonder also if you are an actual brainlet or you're trolling :D
>>9054
Not from me, from others.
Also, to put it further, I see that you agree that government steals. What about the enterprises employed by the government, i.e. not created and sustained by it, but the ones doing a fair work for it? What about them and their employees?
>>9049
>Are one of those cuckolds that want to give money to niggers only cause there was slavery once?
No.
>I have no responsibility for the sins of my ancestors.
Yet you are entitled to the wealth they have acquired through committing the 'sins'. Seems a little bit unfair.
>>9055
To put it yet further: most big companies at least profit from the government somehow, many owe their existence to it. And the government steals not only from 'others', but from you in particular, too.
So you go and work for a guy who owes his ability to pay you to a thief. And then you also have to give a share of the money you receive all the way back to the thief. The thief takes money from you, the thief (indirectly) gives money to you. Almost as if you were a slave of some sort and that thief was your master.
>Nazis bemoaning capitalism.
Oh the irony.
>>8490
You can't be free with property. Property, and materialism in general, kills your spirit, soul and shell.
>muh property
I guess it's what deranged farmers think their ancestors thought haha.
Why don't people rebel? The robots and so are all over the news, fraud AI's too, "raising" living standard too, yet no one sees the end of the shift in which one gives away his own life for somebody else's crumbs.
the fact that labor is external to the worker, i.e., it does not belong to his intrinsic nature; that in his work, therefore, he does not affirm himself but denies himself, does not feel content but unhappy, does not develop freely his physical and mental energy but mortifies his body and
ruins his mind. The worker therefore only feels himself outside his work, and in his work feels outside himself. He feels at home when he is not working, and when he is working he does not feel at home. His labor is therefore not voluntary, but coerced; it is forced labor.
>I have to work regardless of my consent (if I don't I'll starve to death)
Yes. If you won't hunt or gather, you will die of hunger or feed some wolves with your meat. Go tell Nature it's a thief yo. If you're not a hunter-gatherer, then you work for a living.
>>11104
>The worker feels himself ... his work feels outside himself. He feels ... ... he does not feel at home. His labor is therefore not voluntary, but coerced; it is forced labor
>He feels, therefore X
Best. Ideology. Ever. Oh boy, time to genocide a couple dozen million Russkies and enslave the rest, then rain nuclear death on America, because feels.
>>11104
>You can't be free with property
lol retard. you can't be free with breathing, so you should not breathe because I said so. Only death is true liberation faggot, go die now.
>>8863
Slave away doing something of value then fagot. In the end some ungrateful, overlord parasite is going to bleed you dry. Find value in what you do; there really is nothing else.
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Working for yourself/your family/being an enterpreneur in the way to go, everything else is being a slave.
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>>9044
>mug invest
>muh "smart"
How much do I need to invest to have +50K dollars stable income per year?
>consent
voluntaryism is literally euphemism for slavery
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>>9044
>smart people invest
Smart people also have some money beforehand I guess?
>Imagine being so dumb that you decide to be born in a poor family lmao
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>>12551
>Smart people also have some money beforehand I guess?
>bohoo i'm poor and i don't have the balls to take life in my hands
what is reinvesting your wage, what is margin trading, what is taking loans and reinvesting them
open up your horizons nanon
(i'm not implying that trading with a low capital and with margin is not dangerous, do your homework and stay safe, but also don't be a defeatist faggot)
>>12552
I don't remember the specific term used to describe them, but people with wages below a certain level cannot invest or don't have the time to learn the ins and outs of investing. You can see people that try to but they usually get swindled by someone else who does it for a living.
>>9044
>employer(which is a person like you)
Do you mean "person" in the legal sense or physical. Most people do not work for another individual, they work for corporate or government behemoths.
Or how about, you work for a couple of years, then stop, have fun with the money, invest it, work less, eventually have people working for you, and bfore you know it, you're a lot more free.
Or, simply invest the money in materials to scape the matrix and live in a log cabin or out in the desert somewhere in a small trailer. Or in the Florida keys or something.
Gotta find an escape plan, anon. Not every solution is the stupid bullshit being taught by libral commie teachers at universities, those faggots don't even work. Central Americans coming from Honduras work more in a single day on a roof than those commies work in a month.
Arbeit macht frei. To be a king, you have to learn to be a servant.
>>12673
I thought americans lived in trailors because they were uneducated alcoholics with zero prospects of ever doing any better because their country is such a fucking sicko clown world that needs the masses to be stupid and ineffective against their cruel regime but youve opned my mind to something which is smart people could navigate and beat the oppression they are faced with. All systems can be manipulted to an advantage.
Also, Alcohol is a tool used to supress civil unrest in stupid people and those willing to drink it are participating in their own demise therefore they lack any actual survival instinct at all and it makes me wonder how these people could even afford to buy a trailor in the firstplace but then they are probably still just slaves to an entrapping rent economy albeit inside a microeconomy designed by slightly less stupid but more ruthless and cunning bottom dwellers. Those poor fucking people.
All americans should become survival experts and dooms day prepers.
The reason stupid people need to be substance controlled is because they normally use brute force and emotion to deal with problems. They cant use logic so its best to use them as economic sinks and keep them smoking, drinking and renting so they never have enough money or consciousness to start any kind of meaningful movement against you.
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>>12673
>for a couple of years
Nice. Now let's say I have two times the average wage, which I have. Now, what of it? Unless I'm cutting on everything possible I won't, after couple of years, have enough money to literally not "work" but work for the rest of my life, still needing to pay taxes in money and be a whore because capitalism. Investing is supporting the regime which does make sense only if you profit of it. I have no desire making other people "work" for me, much less being in any way connected to running a brothel. How can one make a better furniture than I can and why in the world would I want to sell something that people can do if they weren't crippled by "work"? Selling retarded guides and instructions? Sorry bro, I'm not burger.
>To be a king, you have to learn to be a servant
hello there, lumpen, how you doin' livin' in a flat with carpets needlessly slaving few years of your already too short life, damaging your brain by "working" so that once you escape the purgatorium you are nothin' but a trashcan on fire
Suit yourself. There's always simply leaving and being a nomad. Plenty of people do. They live out of their vans, cars, whatever. Just buy plenty of water, have some place to shit and pee, have a cooler, and something to cook with. You just waste your life away and eventually realize you need temp work to survive, pay for gas, etc.
>>12677
A lot of Canadians move down to Arizona and Florida to escape the cold, so there's that. A lot of people simply wanna lazy their life away and live in a trailer on a government check. Others simply see how much more affordable it is to pay 4-500$ a month and live almost anywhere you want.
Get a really crappy job nobody likes, like construction or roofing if you're a guy - stocking shelves, tutoring, or babysitting if you're a girl, they both pay well. You just work at it for a year or two, save up enough to buy a car or truck, sacrifice by riding public transit for a while, and eventually you will be more "free". Sitting around hoping for it will not get you the desired results. Sacrifice is required to achieve some semblance of stability, inaction and procrastinating will get you nowhere. You just get up one day and say to yourself, "I'm changing my life for the better today", then do it. Or at the very least try, and keep trying until you see results.
>>12870
>all of the shit you just typed.
This nigger knows how to activate his core. Do what he says.
Might i add, try learn everything you can, oneday you'll accidentally learn something you can charge other people for. Thats when you get to start smiling.
>>8863
I like to think of myself as a third positionist. You can kill rob rape and murder your way to a wild west existence on the means streets of almost any metropolis with total impunity. There is no identity, no wanted, no poverty outside the system, there is no slavery and there are no richmen. There is just yourself and the motherfuckers you meet and the things you do every day to survive. Some of us live better than kings since to be a king is to be a slave to a web of obligation and duty in a world where neither fucking matters at all. Seek the powers that be, murder them in their sleep, upend the daemon haunted world of the living on your way to the 7-11.
>>12870
>Get a really crappy job nobody likes, like construction or roofing if you're a guy - stocking shelves, tutoring, or babysitting
Literally names the most fulfilling jobs you could have. Exept shelf stocking maybe. Babysitting and watching kids is the easiest thing out there. Only autistic nanons will have trouble with them. Hardest part of the job is the parents. Jobs like roofing pays relatively decent and can't be done by a monkey with a wrench. There's always a need for people who 'get it'.
>>12677
Poor people will abuse alcohol and cigarettes out of free will. Money isn't an asset they deem to have like their work at a factory. therefore they will spend everything and keep nothing. OP is one of them, probaly from a poor(er) family. even in todays society, no one stops you from buying 12 kg rice and living on absolute scraps while keeping and investing nearly your entire paycheck. even in africa you could use that mentality to escape poverty there. exponential increases in return would make it hard for you to stay empoverished unless your lifestyle and job is so untennable that you'll die before seeing profits. If there was a tool to keep the poor in check it would be giftcards and valuecards that don't hold real value or backed asset. Or monopolising assets that poor people 'need' like food or housing.
Apple pay is a step in that direction. So is Amazon with their afterpay and credit options.
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>>12883
>OP is one of them, probaly from a poor(er) family
I'm already not replying to you, pornfag, but this is cringe. Just a bump for people to cringe over not-even-pathetic poorfag as in not-poor-materially.
>"I'm already not replying to you", He replied
And I'm not pornfag. You're just making excuses why you can't advance in todays society. Global poverty has been decreasing year over year. that the top 1% is also getting richer is no suprise. Everyone has prosperity exept you dont see it. But go hide in the echo chamber of your choice.
And I'm not pornfag. You're just making excuses why you can't advance in todays society. Global poverty has been decreasing year over year. that the top 1% is also getting richer is no suprise. Everyone has prosperity exept you dont see it. But go hide in the echo chamber of your choice.
>>13130
He is just saying that you can make your life better if you change the way you think, start saving money, etc.
Without the will to change nothing will change.
He is just saying that you can make your life better if you change the way you think, start saving money, etc.
Without the will to change nothing will change.
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Behind the glorification of 'work' and the tireless talk of the 'blessings of work' I find the same thought as behind the praise of impersonal activity for the public benefit: the fear of everything individual. At bottom, one now feels when confronted with work – and what is invariably meant is relentless industry from early till late – that such work is the best police, that it keeps everybody in harness and powerfully obstructs the development of reason, of covetousness, of the desire for independence. For it uses up a tremendous amount of nervous energy and takes it away from reflection, brooding, dreaming, worry, love, and hatred; it always sets a small goal before one's eyes and permits easy and regular satisfactions. In that way a society in which the members continually work hard will have more security: and security is now adored as the supreme goddess...
'WORKERS' GET OUT OF MY BOARD
FUCK CONFORMISM, MAKE REVOLUTION
'WORKERS' GET OUT OF MY BOARD
FUCK CONFORMISM, MAKE REVOLUTION
>>13183
implying you cannot work for yourself/have your own business
it's almost like your horizons are really small
keep staying poor fag
implying you cannot work for yourself/have your own business
it's almost like your horizons are really small
keep staying poor fag
>>13184
>implying you cannot work for yourself
If you have enough money to pay to yourself, then yeah, why not work for yourself
>implying you cannot work for yourself
If you have enough money to pay to yourself, then yeah, why not work for yourself
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>>13184
You know you don't make any sense, do you?
You know you don't make any sense, do you?
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>>13697
The alternative is getting your money eaten by inflation and never have consistent savings when you retire, you're not a very smart goy are you?
The alternative is getting your money eaten by inflation and never have consistent savings when you retire, you're not a very smart goy are you?
nigger haven't you heard about btc?
thanks to it I have ensured lurking to pretty much end of my life
thanks to it I have ensured lurking to pretty much end of my life
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Either slave away your entire fucking life or be so poor you might as well be dead.