I think slavery would do countries good, especially with the amount of minorities in many european countries right now, just don't allow the minority slaves to breed.
Obviously the response would be the same and we would have to help out europeans in africa, but still.
Also yes we should treat women like property.
>>2048 >Should slavery be legal?
No. Will it, yes. Is it already, practically yes.
>Should men own their women like property?
No.
>Is it possible to have nationalism and slavery both?
Of course.
>Is slavery purely capitalistic?
Define "capitalistic", you commie faggot.
Shit thread
>oh the little puppy here thinks slavery ever stopped existing
>but I want my black slaves and horde of bought concubines
>come here little puppy *snaps his neck*
I heard, "All taxes in Europe must be paid only by non-Europeans. Muslims, Arabs, Blacks, Latinos, Mexicans, Asians, only they pay taxes, and it's all for the benefit of white Europeans."
It's not slavery, but it's a decent way to enforce borders without actually using violence.
Wage slavery is kinda like a real slavery TBPH.
I mean, I wouldn't know how exactly slavery would be like, and probably a contemporary wagie is a bit more free than a nigger from plantations or a serf in medieval Europe, but here are things to consider:
a) you have to force yourself into a strict clock just because
b) you may very probably have to put your health at risk and deal with some professional long-term health hazards, like when working at a mine or something
c) you may have little to no options to quit; slaves in ancient times could run away and start anew - you don't have that option really; like just look at workers at chinese factories or something like an Amazon™ warehouse - it's fucking spooky
So, to sum it up, you sacrifice time of your life [for a cause you may very well hate], you do it with a risk for your well-being, and you may not have any options to quit (other than death or some very radical decision about your life). It does sound a lot like slavery, if you ask me.
Now, onto the OP:
>Should slavery be legal?
That's an interesting question because human trade actually happens, and I think it very well may happen always. Maybe if it is legalized, it could become a legal business and not something police should hunt for. The point is that forcefully turning somebody into a slave should be illegal.
>Should men own their women like property?
The point about treating a human being like property is that the human actually isn't property. Human is a sapient social being very capable of fucking shit up. You may try to control an individual, but the same might happen to you.
>Is it possible to have nationalism and slavery both?
Yes, why not?
>Is slavery purely capitalistic?
Even the history says no. Like, even ancient republics (which were very weird by standards of capitalism, if applicable) and feudal societies owned slaves or something very similar.
>>3453 To shed a little light on Amazon™ warehouses:
workers at Amazon™ warehouses have "unions" completely controlled by Amazon™ and Amazon™ also calls police on strikers, like in Spain, fires and suspends people if they protest with work slowdowns or just protest. The work itself is horrible experience where you practically stand ten-hours straight, brainlessly doing repetitive, mind-numbing tasks tortured by radio while being told by masters to work faster. Brainwashing. Slavery.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/03/amazon-poland-poznan-strikes-workers https://web.archive.org/web/20170826072124/http://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/03/amazon-poland-poznan-strikes-workers tried archiving, didn't work, they implemented cloudfare lately and subscrption-based search in archives, but works fine without javascript
Why maintaining slaves when one could automate any labor retardet low IQ races could ever do?
Also slavery implicates it is somehow enforced. I guess you don't want to enforce the relationship to your wife in the long run if you inted to sleep next to her. Even if she can't get to you when you're unconscious or make your life miserable in another way she will propably treat your children like shit in revenge.
>>3458 >Why maintaining slaves when one could automate any labor retardet low IQ races could ever do?
Slaves are probably still more money efficient.
Unless AGI comes and robots take over all retard jobs, making people work for food is going to be cheaper.
>>3465 That maybe true, but I couldn't imagine a functional civilisation where one enslaves it's own people. That might be feasible in an ultra tribalistic community where everyone is just hardend to it's own clan and tribesman and percieves anyone outside of this little world as potential enemy out of the necessity of plain survival, but in the long run a society of slaveholders will naturally restrict itself to slaves of other races with all the problems lesser races bring to the land and blood of other people.
Therefor I would always aim for automatisation + getting ones own dumper tribesmen to do the increasingly obsolete professions until they got finally bred out by strict eugenics.
>>3458 >automate any labor retardet low IQ races could ever do
I'm for automating or destructing any labor that ultimately deprives you of humanity, no matter what cost.
>>3465 >Unless AGI comes and robots take over all retard jobs, making people work for food is going to be cheaper.
yes
for both
>retard jobs for retards
I don't know what your work of field is, but in many countries there's not always choice, unless you start your own bussiness and are willing to cuck to market; you can then start bussiness you want to do, of course, but by that time years passed, there's always chance you going bankrupt, or one is completely ambitionless. For example, in my country you have two options, doesn't matter if you have university or primary; either you take less shitty job for less money or you take extremely shit job for more money; both are shit (you can get slightly better job if you know people in the right places, but that doesn't count of course, that's not how it should work). Capitalists expand here, build factories, offices and shit, offer shit jobs; then they blame people for being lazy and that there's not enough workforce which never was there in the first place etc, for not wanting to survive on slightly higher wages which are useless if work deprives you of life, free time and spirit, because many people choose to do illegal jobs, survive by other means or are on govermental financial support instead. Working people don't take the bait in form of higher wage, out-of-school people emigrate thinking that in other countries it's different or reasoning like "at least I make big money hahahaah" and besides that there's little to no one to do their jobs anyway.
The price for "progress" and neo-bourgeoisie class is ones own humanity.
>obsolete professions
name some
>>2049 >I think slavery would do countries good, especially with the amount of minorities in many european countries right now
You will have this, with YOU as slaves
>>3453 >Wage slavery is kinda like a real slavery TBPH.
It is cheaper, more efficient, no sunk costs.
Same reason many companies don't own their own IT, other crucial tool of business.
From the capitalist view point there is no principle objection, but practical considerations.
>>3457 [D]
>Slavery is legal. Look up Roman Civil Law.
Slavery is the main reason for degeneration of the Roman Republic and led to the downfall of the Roman Empire. After several centuries that granted, but the initial impetus, virility of the Roman Empire came out of the Republic. After that was exhausted, Roman citizen as a meaningfull group perished, it did only skid along until someone came and made a end to it.
It took longer in the east, because that was the richer part of the Empire, more fat to burn.
>>3467 <obsolete professions
>name some
In my country it will soon to be: cashiers, truckers and taxi drivers for example. Looking at the fast pace of automated cleaning devices, cleaning crews propably will be next. Then all the consulting agencies, industrial engineering, risk analysts and other service providers which used to manage tasks big data can do much cheaper and at a wider scale.
>Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein [...] Women want total freedom or rather - to call things by their names - total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters ...
>Cato the Elder
Women should ride in the trunk.
>>3480 What the fuck did I just watch? How can something like that even happen`?
Also self-driving cars are getting more advanced as we speak and that video was nearly 4 years ago.
>>3480 >>3503 Even if they reduce the kill count, I'd like to see an AI safely navigate the traffic and shit roads of many countries in eastern yurope, or even rural uk or north america. This self-driving car shit might be passable eventually in cities, but it otherwise needs to eat shit and die already.
>Should slavery be legal?
In general no.
>Should men own their women like property?
Yes, in the form of a 'marriage.' The best relationship a male can have with a female is either that of Mother or a SLAVE. Slavery is absolute submission and it is what most females secretly desire. But a women should have to make the choice, even if only once. Giving up their virginity should count as having pledged to be the males slave nya~
>>2048 Should slavery of other races be legal? No, having multiple races in a nation would break social cohesion. Should men own their women like property? Yes, of course, that's how it was for millennia. A father should own his daughter until he gives her up to another man on her wedding day.
>>2048 Women are property. Not people. No matter what any law says, nature won't change. Women are nothing more than biological tools for men to use and discard at will.
As for slavery, the slaves will always rebel, and there will always be enablers willing to side with them. Instead of enslaving the inferior races, genocide them all.
>>2048 >women
>slavery
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Trousseau.
Tocher.
Dowry.
Do you know the meaning of thi words? It's basically a bribe given to the groom by the father of the bride. Because father perfectly knows how useless she is.
>>3451 >>3452 Just cut off their benefits, no one is moving to Poland, Ukraine or Russia. The rapeuges are all going to Germany, UK, France and Sweden.
>>5815 What is slave population? Those who have no career ambitions?
So, how will you detect "slave population"? Imo slave population is: bootlickers, that is fascists, liberals, "an"caps and communists, people who have no problem slaving more for same or less and such, people who have no problem slaving, then comes iq, people below 120 should be cultured as slaves, then come ugly people, those should be cultured as slave population regardless of iq, then come untalented people who should be cultured as slaves regardless of how they look or iq, then come people without heart and spine and these should be killed.
You are a fucking retard and OBVIOUSLY NOT WHITE. The dowry is not allowed to be touched by the groom. It is solely for the woman, her property and her future.
Aristotle's dream is our realityNanonymousNo.5943[D]
The people who give themselves up to manual labor are never promoted to public offices, and with good reason. The greater part of them, condemned to be seated the whole day long, some even to endure the heat of the fire continually, cannot fail to be changed in body, and it is almost inevitable that the mind be affected. Work takes all the time and with it one has no leisure for the republic and his friends. - Xenophon
What honorable thing can come out of a shop? What can commerce produce in the way of honor? Everything called shop is unworthy of an honorable man. Merchants can gain no profit without lying, and what is more shameful than falsehood? Again, we must regard as something base and vile the trade of those who sell their toil and industry, for whoever gives his labor for money sells himself and puts himself in the rank of slaves. - Cicero
Nature has made no shoemaker nor smith. Such occupations degrade the people who exercise them. Vile mercenaries, nameless wretches, who are by their very condition excluded from political rights. As for the merchants accustomed to lying and deceiving, they will be allowed in the city only as a necessary evil. The citizen who shall have degraded himself by the commerce of the shop shall be prosecuted for this offense. If he is convicted, he shall be condemned to a year in prison; the punishment shall be doubled for each repeated offense. - Plato
If every tool could by itself execute its proper function, as the masterpieces of Daedalus moved themselves or as the tripods of Vulcan set themselves spontaneously at their sacred work; if for example the shuttles of the weavers did their own weaving, the foreman of the workshop would have no more need of helpers, nor the master of slaves. - Aristotle
Listen to the /pol/, kids, work is good. Work certainly is good, just work more, listen to the good guys. 8 hours/5 days for mere existence is good. Bureaucracy is good, it makes people work. Don't think, kid, it's good for you. Thought is adversary of reason.
>>3503 it's how software works you dumb fuck /pol/nigger. blame your retard hick friends for buying into the self driving car meme. there's no such thing as an algorithm for driving a conventional car on a conventional road. the result is that you have something that looks like it works in most cases, but once in a while it runs into shit that no human would ever run into
>>5227 that's not what soyboy means. consider suicide
>>5217 but you're probably not a real man seeing as you're the average white cuck consumes ideologies like left, right, or alt-right. you never accomplished and never will accomplish anything. so your entire point is moot even if it is true
Should slavery be legal?
Should men own their women like property?
Is it possible to have nationalism and slavery both?
Is slavery purely capitalistic?