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Search engines | Why you should not trust DuckDuckGo Nanonymous No.1663 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>1697 >>2280 >>5830
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- It is hosted on Amazon Web Services (which has a $600 million contract with the CIA)
- Gabriel Weinberg, the creator and owner formerly ran a site called NamesDatabase which encouraged people to provide valid personal details and to refer other people to give their information
- "We also save searches, but again, not in a personally identifiable way, as we do not store IP addresses or unique User agent strings. We use aggregate, non-personal search data to improve things like misspellings." [1]
- Despite bangs simply referring to another search engine, "Bang" queries are still send to and stored by DuckDuckGo (this could be solved with Javascript is enabled, or in one of its extensions/apps)
- DuckDuckGo knows whether you're scrolling down on the page since website icons are lazy loaded
- On the Hidden Service website icons are still fetched from duckduckgo.com
- DNS registration information is protected by WhoisGuard
- Google has released the Duck.com domain name for DuckDuckGo in 2018
- Apple (in 2014) and Mozilla (in 2018) have added DuckDuckGo as an search engine option
- DuckDuckGo used to set cookies even though they said they didn't [2]
- DuckDuckGo used to submit the URL you're clicking on to DuckDuckGo's servers

[1]: https://duckduckgo.com/privacy
[2]: http://www.alexanderhanff.com/duckduckgone

---

A few alternatives:

- Searx [3]
-Qwant [4]
- StartPage [5]

[3]: https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances
[4]: https://www.qwant.com/
[5]: https://www.startpage.com/

Nanonymous No.1664 [D]

>Mozilla (in 2018)
Err, "November 10, 2014"

Nanonymous No.1665 [D] >>5832

DDG is reddit/cuckchan/pigchan tier. Real men use searx.
I have seen SuckFuckHoe recommended way too often on pigchan. That's how you know pigchan is dead.

Nanonymous No.1666 [D] >>1672 >>1917

>Qwant
Nevermind, it immediately gives Tor users a CAPTCHA to solve.
(I'm OP)

Searx Nanonymous No.1667 [D][U][F] >>1668 >>1669 >>1995 >>5279
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Regarding Searx, I think I'm going to use the random Searx redirector application which you can simply use offline by saving the page and opening it which I highly recommend you do because it sends searx.neocities.org as a HTTP referrer to the Searx engine(!)
>3939 random volunteer-run public servers
Didn't know there were so many Searx engines... that's a lot.
https://searx.neocities.org/
(I'm OP)

Nanonymous No.1668 [D]

>>1667
You can also add it as search engine on Firefox by adding "Bookmark this link" as a bookmark and setting a keyword for it and then you can use <keyword> <query> in the location bar to quickly use that Random Searx Redirector.

NOTE: there is a high chance of accidentally using a untrustworthy/ compromised Searx instance when using this please remove all Searx instances you do not trust out of that application or add only a few you trust.
(I'm OP)

Nanonymous No.1669 [D]

>>1667
>3939 random volunteer-run public servers
FYI only these are used in the Random Searx Redirector application:
>'searx.selea.se',
>'search.activemail.de',
>'searx.prvcy.eu',
>'searx.haxors.club',
>'search.biboumail.fr',
>'searx.solusar.de',
>'searx.pwoss.xyz',
>'haku.ahmia.fi',
>'searx.lelux.fi',
>'searx.laquadrature.net',
>'searx.foo.li',
>'searx.ru',
>'searx.infini.fr',
>'search.disroot.org',
>'searx.zdechov.net',
>'search.sudo-i.net',
>'searx.xyz',
>'searx.info',
>'searx.aquilenet.fr',
>'searx.rubbeldiekatz.info',
>'searx.tyil.nl',
>'search.koehn.com',
>'search.mdosch.de',
>'search.gibberfish.org',
>'searx.targaryen.house',
>'searx.riseup.net',
>'searx.elukerio.org',
>'search.seds.nl',
>'searx.angristan.xyz',
>'icebal.com',
>'search.stinpriza.org',
>'searx.libmail.eu',
>'suche.elaon.de',
>'050.ca',
>'searx.s42.space',
>'searx.openhoofd.nl',
>'search.modalogi.com',
>'finden.tk',
>'searx.linux.pizza'
(I'm OP)

Nanonymous No.1672 [D] >>1674 >>1917 >>1920

>>1666
What's the point of giving tor users a captcha to solve to use a search engine? I can't think of any reason except to anger tor users

Nanonymous No.1674 [D] >>1676 >>1917

>>1672
To try to stop anonymized botting.

Nanonymous No.1676 [D] >>1917

>>1674
How the fuck would botting with a search engine work?

Nanonymous No.1691 [D] >>1692

I don't need to trust it because I use Tor

buy yes, duckduckgo is a honeypot

Nanonymous No.1692 [D] >>1694

>>1691
That's what kept me using DuckDuckGo for far too long. I'm now using Searx and I'll see how bearable it is.

Nanonymous No.1694 [D] >>1695

>>1692
why not consider Startpage too?
https://www.startpage.com
it can also search for images without javascript and has built in proxy (useful if tor is banned on site or demands captcha)

Nanonymous No.1695 [D]

>>1694
>search for images without javascript
Even Jewgle images can search for images without javashit. That's not much of an achievement.

Nanonymous No.1696 [D]

Searx (pronouced search) is probably the best search engine to use right now. Just make sure you have safe search turned on when browsing images else you might catch a few glimpses of underage girls without their shirts on.

Nanonymous No.1697 [D][U][F] >>1698 >>1703 >>5299
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>>1663
>It is hosted on Amazon Web Services (which has a $600 million contract with the CIA)
So? If the CIA has Subway cater a luncheon, does that mean I shouldn't ever eat there again? Do you even know what the CIA is/does? Protip: it's not a law enforcement or signals intelligence agency.
>Gabriel Weinberg, the creator and owner formerly ran
>formerly
You suggest Startpage as an alternative. Who even owns Startpage? It's held by a private holding company in the Netherlands. They list a spokesperson, but otherwise seem not to want to talk about the people involved with the company: "You probably won’t be surprised to hear that our team of online privacy specialists values their own online privacy too. At the same time we’re also aware that transparency and visibility are important for any tech company. So we split the difference, and are showing avatars and first names for most of our team members. We unanimously chose our colleague Ancilla van de Leest as our spokesperson. Feel free to contact her for all company and press-related inquiries."
>We also save searches
>not in a personally identifiable way
>we do not store IP addresses or unique User agent strings
Yawn.
>DNS registration information is protected by WhoisGuard
Startpage.com also uses WHOIS privacy.
>DuckDuckGo used to set cookies >DuckDuckGo used to submit the URL
>used to

I don't even use DDG anymore, I use Startpage because for a while their search results were better and I set Startpage as my default search. But for all I know, they're owned by a bunch of GCHQ spooks. That's one of the reasons I do most of my browsing through the Tor network, so it doesn't really matter. Your arguments against DDG are weak as fuck, though.

Nanonymous No.1698 [D]

>>1697
>DDG owned and created by a kike who used to openly sell data for money
<durr not an argument lol xd

Nanonymous No.1703 [D]

>>1697
>AWS-CIA connection
To be honest that CIA wasn't even the red flag for me, the red flag for me was simply that they used AWS. I'm quite sure AWS has much more shady shit going on because they're a huge fucking platform.
>Who even owns Startpage
>But for all I know, they're owned by a bunch of GCHQ spooks
I really haven't looked much into StartPage or Qwant. Searx is simply a proxy for search engines anyone can run.
One thing that concerns me with StartPage is that they have Katherine Albrecht who has been on InfoWars and CoastToCoast AM numerous times.
>Your arguments against DDG are weak as fuck, though.
I'd say some of my arguments against DDG are weak as fuck, I'll admit that much :^)

Nanonymous No.1704 [D] >>1710

>who can I trust????
This is a pigchan tier question. The answer is no one, it's your responsibility to remain anonymous as companies online could not care less about your privacy. It's the same with email providers or any other online service. If you are relying on blindly "trusting" random online service providers because of various arbitrary things than you're already fucked.

Nanonymous No.1710 [D]

>>1704
Right, trust is a difficult thing, especially on the internet. I used the wrong word here.

Nanonymous No.1917 [D] >>1918

>>1666
>>1672
>>1674
>>1676
It doesn't give Tor users capt. It gives any IP, even non-Tor ones, a capt if you make more than 100 connections in half an hour or something. I've been exclusively using Qwant for a few months on clearnet and it happened to me a few times. I'm on Tor now and I didn't get a capt for searching over Qwant.
Basically, it doesn't discriminate Tor users. It's just over-sensitive against potential bot searches, I assume because their servers are weak.

OP No.1918 [D]

>>1917
Good to know, thanks. I've mostly switches to using the Random Searx Redirector and I set Startpage as the default search engine.
I'll give Qwant another consideration, it seems to work fine this time...

Nanonymous No.1919 [D]

>switches
switched

Nanonymous No.1920 [D] >>2280

>>1672
>What's the point of giving tor users a captcha
It's to prevent people from using google dorks to find vulnerable sites. It gives you a captcha based on the amount of queries you are doing and how "complex" those queries are (by complex I mean using "advanced" search features)

Nanonymous No.1985 [D] >>1991 >>5299

searx is hard to recommend to normalfags because of the massive bias towards porn sites for work-safe queries
also, it has some reliability issues, at least oninstances i've used

Nanonymous No.1986 [D] >>1991

could you/the-owner do a favor and only select instances with good ssl scores, no MITM/cloudflare, etc?
i have not checked so that may alresdy be done

Nanonymous No.1991 [D] >>1992 >>1994

>>1985
>massive bias towards porn sites for work-safe queries
Interesting, you mean with image search?

>>1986
Haven't done that myself, but these are good places to start:
https://stats.searx.xyz/
https://stats.searx.xyz/tor.html
https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances

Nanonymous No.1992 [D] >>1993

>>1991
Ok, here's a list of Searx domains (from https://stats.searx.xyz/ ) with their ISPs:

>050.ca Cogent Communications
>anonyk.com Amazon.com, Inc.
>framabee.org Hetzner
>haku.ahmia.fi Nebula Oy
>icebal.com AT&T Services, Inc.
>mijisou.com China Unicom Beijing Province Network
>openworlds.info OVH SAS
>p9e.de Markus Bach Betriebs Gesellschaft mbH
>rapu.nz RamNode LLC
>s.cmd.gg OVH ISP
>search.activemail.de Contabo GmbH
>search.azkware.net OVH SAS
>search.datensturm.net netcup GmbH
>search.disroot.org Serverius
>search.ethibox.fr Online S.A.S.
>search.gibberfish.org Online
>search.koehn.com DigitalOcean, LLC
>search.kosebamse.com HE-RS
>search.mdosch.de rh-tec IP Network
>search.modalogi.com Liberty Global Operations B.V.
>search.namedkitten.pw Plusnet Technologies Ltd
>search.paulla.asso.fr Axione - French region
>search.seds.nl Online S.A.S.
>search.snopyta.org Hetzner
>search.spaeth.me Online S.A.S.
>search.st8.at Hetzner Online GmbH
>search.stinpriza.org Hetzner
>search.sudo-i.net Hetzner Online GmbH
>search.tolstoevsky.ml CJSC "ER-Telecom Holding" Nizhny Novgorod branch
>search.wxzm.sx LeaseWeb Netherlands B.V.
>searx.anongoth.pl IQ PL Sp. z o.o.
>searx.antirep.net GANDI is an ICANN accredited registrar
>searx.aquilenet.fr AQUILENET
>searx.at UPC Austria GmbH
>searx.ch ImproWare AG
>searx.elukerio.org Rezopole A.D.
>searx.foo.li Telecom Liechtenstein AG
>searx.fr32k.de rh-tec IP Network
>searx.gotrust.de NETCUP-GMBH
>searx.haxors.club OVH
>searx.infini.fr Lanestel Sarl
>searx.info Hetzner
>searx.itunix.eu OVH ISP
>searx.laquadrature.net Octopuce to Cursys
>searx.libmail.eu Rezopole A.D.
>searx.linux.pizza Telia Company AB
>searx.nakhan.net OVH SAS
>searx.nixnet.xyz NETCUP-GMBH
>searx.nogafa.org OVH ISP
>searx.nulltime.net Hetzner
>searx.openhoofd.nl ZeelandNet
>searx.pofilo.fr OVH SAS
>searx.prvcy.eu Hetzner Online GmbH
>searx.pwoss.xyz DigitalOcean, LLC
>searx.remote-shell.net Online S.A.S.
>searx.riseup.net Riseup Networks
>searx.ru Hetzner
>searx.s42.space VT-POOL4-rec1001aihr001
>searx.selea.se Telia Company AB
>searx.site Contabo GmbH
>searx.solusar.de BSB-SERVICE
>searx.targaryen.house HETZNER-DC
>searx.tyil.nl LeaseWeb Netherlands B.V.
>searx.xyz Hetzner
>searx.zareldyn.net OVH ISP
>searx.zdechov.net Internext 2000
>seeks.hsbp.org Flattr AB
>suche.elaon.de meerfarbig GmbH & Co. KG
>suche.ftp.sh JonasPasche
>tontonroger.org Hetzner
>trouvons.org Hetzner
>trovu.komun.org CONTABO
>wtf.roflcopter.fr Online S.A.S.
>www.searxs.eu AMS-VPSSERVERCOM


Nanonymous No.1993 [D] >>1995

>>1992
Would be nice to have a meta-meta Searx proxy for these Searx instance

Nanonymous No.1994 [D]

>>1991
Not image searches, just regular web searches.
I think it was on searx.me. I'll try and find some concrete examples, I think 'celebrity' or cartoon character names can often result in pornhub links near the top.
Frankly I can understand why a privacy-focused proxy would be recommended porn from previous searches. I've also noticed a bias towards tech-savvy results, which is useful.

Not going to lie, I didn't check for a safe-search option.

Nanonymous No.1995 [D]

>>1993
do you mean this:
>>1667

I did use searxes before the host got pwnt and nuked

Nanonymous No.2023 [D]

>It is hosted on Amazon Web Services
This alone should be enough reason to drop them. Amazon is a cancer and they're in the data brokering business just like Facebook, Google, etc. There's no telling what they can do with a back door to thousands of services on the internet.

Search should remain as decentralized as possible so we can avoid another Google. This is possible through meta search engines like Searx, which combine results from several centralized indexes. But decentralized indexes should be built as well. Yacy is one example, but it would be nice if there were other projects like this.

Indexing the world's information should be a collaborative human effort, not left in the hands of a few private companies who will inevitably wish to exploit their position as gatekeepers of knowledge.

Nanonymous No.2219 [D]

https://stats.searx.xyz/ (clearnet links)
https://stats.searx.xyz/tor.html (tor)

http://search.4bkxscubgtxwvhpe.onion/
http://nxhhwbbxc4khvvlw.onion/
http://searx.cwuzdtzlubq5uual.onion/
http://juy4e6eicawzdrz7.onion/
http://ulrn6sryqaifefld.onion/
http://suche.xyzco456vwisukfg.onion/
http://searx7gwtu5rh6wr.onion
http://o2jdk5mdsijm2b7l.onion/
http://searchb5a7tmimez.onion/
don't trust me, check for yourself

Nanonymous No.2224 [D] >>2226 >>2229

I don't understand the hate against ddg. It spreads privacy awareness to normalfags and technically savvy users can just use the onion they provide.
https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion


Nanonymous No.2226 [D] >>2260 >>2261

>>2224
>t. weinberg
"Privacy awareness" is literally useless. Those normalfags are just going to be using the cucknet service with javashit turned on, just like they would use jewgle. The only thing which makes it more """(((private)))""" is that some jew said so. Said jew also operated a literal datamining company (the Names Database) before (((he))) started work on DDG.

Nanonymous No.2229 [D] >>2261

>>2224
>I don't understand why you could possibly not like this service that pretends it doesn't harvest your data when it actually does!
All it spreads is the false sense of privacy, which is counter-productive. I love how you absolute retards will always word things in that slimey fucking way.
>i-it spreads (((awareness))) so it's not all bad because before the idea was never even in their heads!
So fucking what? It's just as simple to just use searx. And what exactly is "tech savvy" about putting an onion link into tor? As if I want to deal with duckduckjew redirecting me to the nonJS webpage every single fucking time I want to search something.

Nanonymous No.2234 [D] >>2235 >>2242 >>2259

Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search.
Searching anything on ddg/startpage returns SEO garbage. Searching sites is impossible, no dorks, no localized/language-adjusted web.
Now back to google: if you don't have a google account or don't use it long enough for botnet to remember browser fingerprint and adjust to your specific needs, it will return SEO garbage too. I noticed this pattern of dumbifying search results in 2014 when apparently their algorithms changed, I've seen other people complain about it on imageboards. Then I deleted my account and it became even worse, then I stopped using Google and now my internet life goes on severely handicapped nightmare mode, although I tend to use web less and less these days.

Nanonymous No.2235 [D][U][F] >>2237
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>>2234
>Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search
Not if you're using tor it doesn't.
Also do you have evidence for that?

Nanonymous No.2236 [D]

Sometimes when I use cucknet DDG over tor it gives this message:
>We've detected that you have connected over Tor. There appears to be an issue with the Tor Exit Node you are currently using. Please recreate your Tor circuit or restart your Tor browser in order to fix this. If this error persists, please let us know: <email address>
This smells like bullshit to me. It should be
>We've detected that the exit node you're using isn't kosher. Please switch to a kosher exit node. Thanks goy.

Nanonymous No.2237 [D] >>2238

>>2235
It doesn't matter if you're using Tor or not. For evidence, read the source code.

Nanonymous No.2238 [D][U][F] >>2241
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>>2237
>durr they managed to break tor
>somehow this isn't already common knowledge
Ok bro
>read the source code
Which file and which lines

Nanonymous No.2241 [D] >>2243

>>2238
Huh? Tor is not at all broken. It does exactly what it says on the box.
I don't know specifically which files and which lines. Trying looking for yourself, or don't you audit the software you use?

Nanonymous No.2242 [D] >>2243

>>2234
>Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search
what
holy fuck don't they get results with their IP? It's "privacy search"

Nanonymous No.2243 [D]

>>2241
>It does exactly what it says on the box.
Which means, your IP won't be revealed to searx or jewgle.
>I don't know specifically which files and which lines.
Then you're bullshitting. KYS weinberg.
>Try looking for yourself
No.
>don't you audit the software you use?
No.
>>2242
That guy is either trolling or retarded

Nanonymous No.2259 [D] >>2262

>>2234
>Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search.
This?
># attach callback to the post search hook
># request: flask request object
># ctx: the whole local context of the pre search hook
>def post_search(request, search):
> if search.search_query.pageno > 1:
> return True
> if search.search_query.query == b'ip':
> x_forwarded_for = request.headers.getlist("X-Forwarded-For")
> if x_forwarded_for:
> ip = x_forwarded_for[0]
> else:
> ip = request.remote_addr
> search.result_container.answers.clear()
> search.result_container.answers.add(ip)
>[...]
https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/blob/686a9428d4962f52ff51d0042a7dab1f754f6639/searx/plugins/self_info.py#L28

Nanonymous No.2260 [D]

>>2226
This reminds me of firefoxs use of google analytics. They only use it because they have a written "promise" of google that they don't do anything with the data

Nanonymous No.2261 [D] >>2263 >>2264 >>2269

>>2226
>>2229
What the fuck is your problem? It's stupid to trust ddg, but it is probably as stupid to trust searx because they can run whatever the fuck they want on their servers.
That's why you use their onion links, you eliminate trust from the equation. Jewgle straight up block tor users most of the time

Nanonymous No.2262 [D]

>>2259 (responding to myself)
Nope, this is just to display your IP if your query is "ip":
>Self Informations
>Displays your IP if the query is "ip" and your user agent if the query contains "user agent".
https://searx.me/preferences

Nanonymous No.2263 [D] >>2289

>>2261
Even for .onion links you need trust, how can you be sure you access legit link and not some scam? It's easy to impersonate here.

Nanonymous No.2264 [D] >>2265 >>2269

>>2261
>It's stupid to trust ddg, but it is probably as stupid to trust searx because they can run whatever the fuck they want on their servers.
No shit retard. No one should trust any of these services at all, but that's not how normalfags operate. DuckDuckJew is ran by a literal jew who's entire career is selling user data. Searx is just a simple middleman. It functions perfectly with niggerscript and hasn't had years of constant slipups showing they collect data for the "user experience" like duckduckjew has.
>like oh my god what the fuck is your problem???
Why do you type like a woman speaks? I've outlined in multiple posts exactly what the problem is with duckduckjew. At this point I'm just repeating myself. No one is saying that you should blindly trust searx. But if I were to bet on which one is farming it's user data I'm going to go with the one ran by a jew who's known for collecting user data.

What is the purpose of being a duckduckjew fanboy? You can literally just use duckduckjew through searx. It's not even remotely difficult for anyone, including normalfags to switch to searx. Sperging out about windows as your OS is something understandable, because it can be quite difficult for idiot to change operating systems. But to throw such a bitch fit or something so easily solved is beyond me.

Nanonymous No.2265 [D]

>>2264
*without niggerscript

Nanonymous No.2269 [D][U][F]
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>>2264
>they collect data...
there's no "them" in case of searx, unless you are referring to searx.me
>>2261
using duckjew is pain, you have to enter "https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/lite", wait a few long seconds and then start typing, and you can't even search for images.
Searching through searx is easier and faster from the search bar and you still can search for images.
duck is jew, you husky

Nanonymous No.2280 [D]

>>1663
DDG is reddit tier cancer. "muh privacy" has never been a reason to use anything, it's just a piece of shit.
>>1920
I suspected that as one of many fucktarded reasons back about 10 years ago. Shove your protectionism up your ass.

Nanonymous No.2289 [D]

>>2263
As long as that onion link has a working searx instance, I don't care what it is. I don't need to trust it. That's the whole point.

Nanonymous No.2294 [D]

i miss seeks
its stupid ppl consider searx an alternative to seeks when it just backends on cucked shit all over again
t. searx+yacy

Nanonymous No.5279 [D]
>>1667

Where you edit your settings for that?
It's one of the best things about SearX!

With it all randomized you might get decent, bad or good results.

One instance: blocaked by google, startpage and ddg
Next one: Only reaches DDG
Next one: only uses that one that likes Ctrl+F and has no smarts.

Searx.info has best default settings, convince me otherwise.

Nanonymous No.5285 [D] >>5286 >>5316
I use DDG with Tor and I don't see why I should care if it collects my data. I mean, it's mildly concerning, but if search engines can fingerprint users that easily over Tor and whatever, that's a reason to stop using them altogether.
>searx
My experience with it was poor. With searx.me, I mean. It doesn't find SHIT. It's absolutely awful.
>metasearch engine
I am wary of them mostly for the fact that they don't have their own crawlers, meaning they have to make a request to an actual search engine, meaning they don't make the rules here. They can be completely locked out from the search engines, much like Tor users are not allowed to use Google search without bowing to the JS-only captcha. Now, it doesn't mean that you definitely will be locked out, but I tend to rely on robust solutions, not some shit like "hey this search engine doesn't ban us let's abuse this".
And locking certain IPs/ranges based on network activity is EASY. That IP/subnet makes a lot of uniform HTTP requests to us, meaning they are probably proxying, meaning they can fuck off, because it could hurt our business model at the very least. Not everyone should be like that, but I want to stress you already rely on someone's good will to be able to do something as fundamental as search. If you want my respect, just run your own crawler for the community.

Nanonymous No.5286 [D] >>5291
>>5285
>I don't see why I should care if it collects my data.
:^)
>My experience with it was poor. With searx.me, I mean. It doesn't find SHIT. It's absolutely awful.
DDG is only using bing search iirc and it isn't very precise. google algorithm is superior and sites like startpage and searx offer proxy to it so you don't have to personally use botnet and solve captcha every single time you want to search something.
>I am wary of them mostly for the fact that they don't have their own crawlers, meaning they have to make a request to an actual search engine
Yes, plenty of instances have google inaccessible because "captcha required" or it was abused by some faggot. Some instances are better than other, some don't search at all but should you care if there are tons of them? Just use other, DDG takes long time to load and doesn't support images without niggerscript.
>but I want to stress you already rely on someone's good will to be able to do something as fundamental as search
If you don't take advantage they will do.

Nanonymous No.5291 [D] >>5297
>>5286
Nanochan could be collecting your data right now pal. Hope you randomize your HTTP headers with each request and your User-Agent header looks reasonably normie, like "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/75.0.3770" or something. Well, normie tier on Tor would probably be Tor browser though.
>DDG is only using bing search iirc
DDG has its own crawler.
>google algorithm is superior
It really isn't actually. I feel like Google results lost their relevance somewhere between 2012 and 2015. They are honestly bad. I want to repeat - Google is actually a bad search engine. Also DDG either willingly or unwillingly has less results taken down due to copyright, dunno why. I mean, DDG complies with copyright laws, but apparently people don't give that much shit about it.
>sites like startpage and searx offer proxy to it so you don't have to personally use botnet and solve captcha every single time you want to search something.
The point went over your head.
Also startpage fucking pays money to google to get the results. This is beyond bullshit.
Anyway I do use startpage when I want results from Google.
>but should you care if there are tons of them?
I don't want to waste my time looking for those instances that can go bad literally any second. I mean, it's good to know I can do it in case DDG kicks the bucket or something, and it's better to have options rather than not, but if DDG dies I'll just use Startpage. If Startpage dies, probably Ecosia or some other retarded shit (check it out LMAO), all over Tor. Searx model looks braindamaged until someone out there starts running their own crawlers. I know it's somewhat expensive, but it has to be done.
>If you don't take advantage they will do.
There is no advantage in begging for search results from big corporations. This doesn't scale. I mean, if everyone starts using it, corporations either find a way to restrict it or find a way to datamine it, unless they want to go out of business.

Nanonymous No.5297 [D] >>5298
>>5291
>Hope you randomize your HTTP headers with each request
Why?

>and your User-Agent header looks reasonably normie
It shouldn't be normie, it should be like all Tor users have.

>Well, normie tier on Tor would probably be Tor browser though
I use Tor Browser like everyone else so I guess only screen size can deanonymize [software wise].

>DDG has its own crawler
That's right.

>It really isn't actually
It does a trick for me but sure some things are mundane to find with google.

>Also startpage fucking pays money to google to get the results. This is beyond bullshit
Yeah, I can't grasp it. What they're trying to achieve?

>I don't want to waste my time looking for those instances that can go bad literally any second
Someone on nano linked this searxes.nmqnkngye4ct7bgss4bmv5ca3wpa55yugvxen5kz2bbq67lwy6ps54yd.onion using random searx instances.

>There is no advantage in begging for search results from big corporations. This doesn't scale. I mean, if everyone starts using it, corporations either find a way to restrict it or find a way to datamine it, unless they want to go out of busines
Monopoly is bad for us anons. Link repos on the clearnet are not a thing anymore.

Nanonymous No.5298 [D] >>5300 >>5367
>>5297
>Why?
To avoid fingerprinting, obviously.
>I use Tor Browser like everyone else
I wouldn't bet my ass on everybody here using Tor browser.
>Yeah, I can't grasp it. What they're trying to achieve?
Startpage wants to provide you Google results, but with more privacy. They don't give your IP to Google (allegedly) and they don't block Tor access by captcha or anything. Google just can and will block any entity that steals its hard-obtained crawl results, so players on the market have to buy those from it. It's that simple.
>using random searx instances.
So, they are randomly bad. It works only if majority of them are good.
>Monopoly is bad for us anons.
It's kinda funny that monopoly in other spheres may play in our favor. Like, most of the time on clearnet we don't even want to go to any sites that are not specific to our interests. Wikipedia, Stack Overflow and related platforms (a lot of them), Reddit, that shit on news.ycombinator, some forums, some mailing lists, and that's about it, essentially, and there's still a lot of garbage, probably. If we index the stuff we want to index, we don't even have to spend that much money on crawling the whole Internet. But that's for the stuff we know about in any case. If we want to actually learn about something from the Web (poor idea to browse the pages to learn, but might have useful links, to some literature anyway), we will have to index more.

Ancilla is Based No.5299 [D][U][F]
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>>1985
That is because google is optimised for money. You dont really notice this untill someone tells you. The first 1-3 results are always ads. The rest of the first page are commercial wbesites ONLY. try searching any random word or combination thereof. You will never find a forum or non-commercial website. only websites like medium and various adsense clickbait low level writing. That's the difference between the old and new internet. Some random blog on 10gbE or SPF+ optimisations will never even reach the first page. Despite similar pagehits, keywords or anything.
<And people search more for porn than google tells you.

>>1697
>Ancilla van de Leest
I recognise that name. She was featured in the playboy magazine and was involved in the 'piratenpartij' political party. They hosted a proxy for TPB which had more political immunity. She was recenty kicked out despite being quite intelligent and not just a pretty face. She had disagreements with the direction of the party and is now planning on moving to Berlin as a result of all that.

She also did nudes btw, search for Ancilla Tilia. Here's a picrel to give a little taste.

Nanonymous No.5300 [D] >>5301 >>5302
>>5298
>To avoid fingerprinting, obviously
If I was the only one changing HTTP header then I would still be fingerprinted.

>I wouldn't bet my ass on everybody here using Tor browser
Majority does and if they don't then they're harming everyone and themselves. Please use tor Browser, I know you're edgy using Links and so on but you're only generating unique fingerprint.

>Startpage wants to provide you Google results, but with more privacy
So how they generate money? They're altruist and believe everyone should have privacy? Without js there ads, are they google's or startpage's?

>So, they are randomly bad. It works only if majority of them are good
Yeah, nevertheless it's good project and decentralization is way to go. Maybe in the future they will get better.

>It's kinda funny that monopoly in other spheres may play in our favor
It's comfortable but not good. People will never learn one shouldn't put eggs into one basket because one day it might become inaccessible.

>If we index the stuff we want to index, we don't even have to spend that much money on crawling the whole Internet
Smart, for example Arch Wiki is considered superior yet it's not really that known. Popular is not good, millions of random sites might lack compared to few specialized sites (like private trackers).

>But that's for the stuff we know about in any case
If 100 users contributed good links we would be fine. It's useless to do it without little help.

Nanonymous No.5301 [D]
>>5300
>Please use tor Browser, I know you're edgy using Links and so on but you're only generating unique fingerprint.
You can change your user agent in elinks
https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/22/elinks-user-agent-override/

Dont know enough about webdev but I know there are several HTML/CSS fingerprinting tools that Nano 'could' employ.

Nanonymous No.5302 [D]
>>5300
>If I was the only one changing HTTP header then I would still be fingerprinted.
It depends, I think.
>So how they generate money?
I dunno, how Google does?
Ads? Selling some data that is allowed by their privacy policy? Having their own big data allowing to predict trends and do other statistical shit?
Essentially a bunch of those rinky-dink search engines rose up as a result of paranoia over Google's change in their privacy policy. Somewhere about that time Snowden also happened, so people became basically "everything but Google", which is very understandable. Don't use Google. Ever.
>Maybe in the future they will get better.
I was talking for like several posts that dystopia case, should it happen, won't help them at all. They are allowed to exist because they are getting mined anyway, most probably. Maybe not as a part of a personal portrait, but of a larger picture.

Nanonymous No.5316 [D] >>5320 >>5335 >>5343 >>5402
>>5285

>My experience with it was poor. With searx.me, I mean. It doesn't find SHIT. It's absolutely awful.

No shit, the default PREFERENCES on searx.me are shit.
Everyone shits all over SearX without understanding it has a PREFERENCES panel where you TURN AND TURN OFF SEARCH ENGINES YOU WANT IT TO SEARCH.

Try having only DDG+Bing+StartPage on.
Makes it to where you don't have to search each one individually like a n00b.

Also Searx works way the hell better than DDG without JavaShit (you can actually search images/other categories).

If someone wants to make a new better l33t crawling search engine, why not just attach it to SearX?
SearX is a search engine that SEARCHES OTHER SEARCH ENGINES.

Nanonymous No.5320 [D] >>5335
>>5316
>PREFERENCES
Can you do that without javascript or cookies? For example, DDG allows some options inside the url. Don't see that on searx.

Nanonymous No.5335 [D]
>>5316
>the default PREFERENCES on searx.me are shit
No, the problem with searx.me is that they do not block bot accounts. This means they end up getting blacklisted of using google searches making the results bad.
>>5320
>Search URL of the currently saved preferences (Note: specifying custom settings in the search URL can reduce privacy by leaking data to the clicked result sites.):
Note that this is only a search URL, so you'll need to add that url to you search bar. If you do a regular search off the page it will erase it.

Nanonymous No.5338 [D] >>5345
>Can you do that without javascript or cookies?

You can do it without JS.
It does use cookies though.
If that's a problem use one that has the default settings like you like (ie searx.info) it or make your own.

>No, the problem with searx.me is that they do not block bot accounts. This means they end up getting blacklisted of using google searches making the results bad.

That too.
I switched to searx.info because search engines started blocking searx.me

Nanonymous No.5343 [D] >>5831
>>5316
>it has a PREFERENCES panel where you TURN AND TURN OFF SEARCH ENGINES YOU WANT IT TO SEARCH.
My bad, didn't even notice it.
I mean, it's tiny as shit in the corner, so there is no surprise.
Anyway, I open that shit and what do I see? A bunch of fucking options without some turn all on/off switch. Do I have to click every single one? Nice fucking usability.
> If someone wants to make a new better l33t crawling search engine, why not just attach it to SearX?
As long as searx allows to access cancer search engines, it enables the cancer to EEE you. Other than that, it's your business, I guess. I mean, if anybody can have their own instance, it's really not my business.

Nanonymous No.5345 [D]
>>5338
>searx.info
Their nginx is forbidding me from access. Are they blocking Tor?

Nanonymous No.5367 [D] >>5368
>>5298
>To avoid fingerprinting, obviously.
How hard do you think it is to separate between 100 requests from the tor user-agent, and 1 request from some random ass user-agent that no one else uses? The only way to stay anonymous whilst also randomizing your user-agent would be if everyone else also randomized his own user-agent... which is the whole point behind all tor(browser) users having the same user-agent.
>something about startpage
Ignoring the privacy issues, since startpage obtains its results from google, startpage also obtains google's censorship. For example, try searching for anything 'alternative', like "christchurch shooting faked" on both startpage and ddg, and you'll see what I mean.

Nanonymous No.5368 [D] >>5372
>>5367
>How hard do you think it is to separate between 100 requests
You really shouldn't have replied, because the whole talk is dead and you are clearly not adding anything and not that person in the first place.
You rely on the premise that everyone uses Tor Browser anyway, so whatever.
Tor Browser is shit for privacy by the sheer fact it being a Firefox build.
Tor Browser is shit for privacy if you use it on the clearnet, and that's where privacy actually MATTERS.
Tor Browser is a binary-only distribution for no good reason.
Tor Browser is a pathetic shit for normies.
>>something about startpage
I hate your guts. You don't read others' posts and you just want to say something retarded just to hear your own voice or something. Shut your trap.

Nanonymous No.5372 [D] >>5374
>>5368
>You rely on the premise that everyone uses Tor Browser anyway, so whatever.
This is what everyone should be doing if they care about anonymity. User agent is one thing, think also about fingerprint, screen resolution, having enabled pictures or not and so on.

>Tor Browser is shit for privacy by the sheer fact it being a Firefox build.
Firefox itself is decent, Tor Browser has telemetry and other shit disabled.

>Tor Browser is shit for privacy if you use it on the clearnet, and that's where privacy actually MATTERS.
Why it's shit? Their goal is to make every Tor Browser user look the same, not like normies. It would be counterproductive to have normie fingerprint but still connect using Tor exit node. It's not to hide what we use but who's who.

>Tor Browser is a pathetic shit for normies
Normies don't use Tor, eventually some minority.

Nanonymous No.5374 [D] >>5375
>>5372
>This is what everyone should be doing if they care about anonymity.
No.
Everybody caring about anonymity should not visit fingerprinting sites at all. Or even better, don't browse Web.
>Firefox itself is decent
It's garbage as a privacy tool and as a browser, too.
>It would be counterproductive to have normie fingerprint but still connect using Tor exit node.
This doesn't make any sense.
>It's not to hide what we use but who's who.
"How hard do you think it is to separate between 100 requests from the normie user-agent, and 1 request from some tinfoil user-agent that no one else uses?"
You have no brain at all, don't you?
>Normies don't use Tor, eventually some minority.
https://www.torproject.org/download/
Yeah, right. Stay safe.

Nanonymous No.5375 [D] >>5377 >>5378
>>5374
>Or even better, don't browse Web
This depends on threat level.

>It's garbage as a privacy tool and as a browser, too
I don't agree.

>This doesn't make any sense
All Tor Browser users look the same. Normies look like normies. You can tell apart normies from Tor Browsers users but it's hard to tell specific Tor Browser users.

>You have no brain at all, don't you?
I already said if only one person is randomizing user agent them he's easy to pick up. If all nano users use same user agent, it's impossible to pick who's who. It's the you who can't get it.

>Yeah, right. Stay safe
The more people use the better for all of us.

Nanonymous No.5377 [D]
>>5375
Not the same anon, but this is a ad infinitum discussion. I've already discussed with other anon about this here >>>/g/4669

Nanonymous No.5378 [D]
>>5375
>I don't agree.
Shit like WebRTC is in the Web spec.
Any browser following the recent spec correctly is a privacy risk.
WebRTC isn't the only shit here. Fingerprinting attacks based on God knows what might be available and unless you know the web spec, you cannot trust TBB developers to do it right, especially provided they didn't reimplement the browser, but merely modified Firefox, which has an immense codebase size.
And about the code - it's fucking shit. Open NSS code, open browser code - it's an unreadable mess and it's suboptimal as fuck, to say the least. There are some really obscure bugs with the rendering too, and I don't believe this shit is fixable.
>All Tor Browser users look the same.
All Tor Browser users are like 3% of normal users or even less. And the likelihood of more than 1 TBB user being at a normie honeypot at any given time is miniscule. In fact, it is likely you are fingerprinted during the whole session at least.
>If all nano users use same user agent, it's impossible to pick who's who.
I wasn't talking about nano in that particular scenario.

Nanonymous No.5402 [D]
>Are they [searx.info] blocking Tor?

No. Works fine for me.

>Do I have to click every single one?

No, that would be retarded.
Some suggestions were given in >>5316 , such as
>Try having only DDG+Bing+StartPage on.

Or you could use an instance that has default preferences that you like better (coughcoughsearx.infocoughcough).

Nanonymous No.5830 [D]
>>1663
Qwant is used by almost all French state computers (ministere, schools etc) because it's made by Frenchs.
Even Macron said he uses it, so I wouldn't trust it.
Do what you want anons

Nanonymous No.5831 [D]
>>5343
>Do I have to click every single one?
Please end your life, stupid lazy nigger.

Nanonymous No.5832 [D]
>>1665
>Real men use searx.

I agree with this.

My understanding is that distributed search engines (ie Yacy) simply aren't there yet, but you can still search em through SearX.

Nanonymous No.5911 [D]
srsly people just use Tor for almost everything and you will be fine. never do anything casual outside of Tor. literally pretty much the only thing you should be doing outside of Tor is maybe logging into your bank or watching youtube.