>>204408 >are you mentally retarded? Your claim was "there was an r4 clique with many personalities affiliated with kay involved who caused the sturdy situation." I don't dispute there were R4 cliques sico was involved with (both connected to kay and not), I dispute they had anything to do with sturdy being taken down. That's speculation on sturdymin (and anyone else's part). Like I said, the only people that might have known are the two I mentioned.