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Anonymous 03/12/2019 (Tue) 01:08:49 [Preview] No. 20035
capitalism is shit
>dude you can do anything if you work hard enough lmao XD
except majority of rich people were born into rich families like in some fucking medieval society when I heard Trump got ONLY 1 million dollars from his father I thought I'm gonna LMAO, social mobility is fucking shit right now.


Anonymous 03/12/2019 (Tue) 16:43:46 [Preview] No.20041 del
What needs to be done is obliteration of wealth. Not wealth as any material object, destroy one and another will rise in it's place, but wealth as a concept. Abolition of private ownership would require adult society and that wont happen anytime soon. There's another approach though. Material piracy. Open source universal constructors, molecular copiers and free energy. Introduce them quickly enough and legislation won't be able to keep up. Wealth can exist only in opposition to scarcity so eliminate that and boom, all the systems of control crumble.

That or we could go for a simpler and more elegant solution of capitalism with cummie based economy.


Anonymous 03/12/2019 (Tue) 22:07:09 [Preview] No.20042 del
>>20041
how would you motivate people to build these things for free?


Anonymous 03/12/2019 (Tue) 23:05:24 [Preview] No.20045 del
>>20042
>what is FOSS


Anonymous 03/13/2019 (Wed) 02:00:18 [Preview] No.20046 del
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>>20042
Short answer: >>20045
Longer answer including a question that comes next (what about maintenance, medical service and so on): distill money to it's basic societal function and you'll find that it is supposed to work as a mean of recognition (of time spend getting a skill, talent, quality, dedication etc.). Grasp that and you'll realize it's simply unnecessary. Rest is Maslow's hierarchy of needs.


Anonymous 03/14/2019 (Thu) 08:48:28 [Preview] No.20052 del
>>20046
Interesting idea. Has it ever been tested anywhere at all?


Anonymous 03/15/2019 (Fri) 03:22:48 [Preview] No.20063 del
>20052

I'm not 20046, but I think that's fairly common. Before the Internet was discovered by capitalists (which began to shit spam and advertising and data harvesting on it as soon as they could figure out how) there were thousands of extremely useful, informative, and entertaining web sites run by individuals who wanted nothing more than to share their expertise and creativity and be rewarded with recognition of their knowledge and skills. Web sites not only didn't need any kind of advertising revenue to survive, they were better without it because of the root motivation of the people behind them.

"Web rings" existed before Altavista and Google that catered to whatever subject you could imagine. You could find sites dedicated to rebuilding motorcycle engines or creating doom levels or building backyard foundries or hot wives in semen bars or making your own solid rocket engines or whatever anyone wanted to show off their leet skills with. They were driven by a recognition economy, not by advertising or money, and it was great. Before that was the work put into newsgroups. Before that was the work put into dialup BBSes.

Unfortunately, it's usually only a matter of time before the profit-focused notice thriving recognition-based economies and start trying to exploit them to make a buck even though doing so will most likely destroy what made them great in the first place. Big dollar in eyeballs.


Anonymous 03/15/2019 (Fri) 20:54:52 [Preview] No.20070 del
>>20046
>fish and bread
I would but building, maintaining a fish pond and doing agricultural work sounds very tiring.


Anonymous 03/16/2019 (Sat) 02:01:12 [Preview] No.20078 del
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>>20070
Automation has made many of those tasks very easy. I sometimes wish I had studied agriculture away college, and then bought own organic farm, so I could live an uncomplicated honest life. I guess it's because I played so many Harvest Moon games.


Anonymous 03/16/2019 (Sat) 23:16:07 [Preview] No.20085 del
>>20078
Heavy degree of automation becomes economically viable when you have a metric shitton of land. Anything less and a farm is a money sink you keep up because you want to eat healthier so you need another source of income anyway. Try gardening, you'll get the satisfaction of growing a thing without having to work yourself to a heatstroke because next day rain is coming to fuck your crops.


Anonymous 03/17/2019 (Sun) 18:32:58 [Preview] No.20091 del
>>20035
No system is perfect, almost every nation has a top-down system, where there are rich and there are the working class. Not condoning this, but its not any better in any other country today either. The grass always looks greener on the other side.

What the US has today is hardly capitalism anymore. Capitalism died a slow creeping death. In the 1970s Nixon de-pegged the US dollar from the gold standard, in the 1980s and 90s the US began industrial outsourcing moving our industry/jobs to other countries (over 60,000 factories closed in the last 12 years alone), during this industrial destruction in the US the government heavily subsidized food, housing and benefits for those without jobs (welfare), the US now having the biggest welfare state on the planet right now with little over half of the US adults actually working today.... keep that son of a bitch fact in mind.... the US then has blatantly gone into deeper and deeper debts over the last two decades, we have more debt than GDP today (thats third world status as far as economics goes folks).... and because our politicians are fully corrupted, every regulation, tax cut, corporate subsidy, law in place goes to benefit the rich who consolidated the wealth by screwing over America by selling us out. As a matter of fact, many bureaucrats in our own government have been corporate lobbyists at one point or another.

Right now we have a plutocracy, a totalitarian one at that, where the government makes sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor and dependent.


Anonymous 03/18/2019 (Mon) 02:40:44 [Preview] No.20095 del
Capitalism is fine, it just =/= consumerism and real capitalism only works because it regularly, literally, kills the poor. That's the ancap utopia.

Consumption capitalism is just a ponzi scheme that includes the exact same problem as "muh inflation" in socialism: it just doesn't print worthless money before economy is ready for; it creates new headcounts within the slave classes before the economy is ready for, that's why banana pickers are overpopulating the world right now, it's so that capitalists may use them and burn them away like that many zimbabwe dollar bills.


Anonymous 03/18/2019 (Mon) 16:03:20 [Preview] No.20104 del
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>>20091
>No system is perfect
Cummers commerce is.


Anonymous 03/19/2019 (Tue) 12:11:23 [Preview] No.20108 del
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>>20091
True capitalism doesn't work. If you want to claim this isn't capitalism, that's basically the no true scotsman argument. Unless you think we need to go back to the guilded age when kids did forced labor, there was no universal schooling, the police was corrupt and mainly onky protected the rich, and would beat up the unions. You know, the days when capitalists would hire mercenaries to machine gun strikere (in the Ludwig massacre.)

Rich people aren't always against socialism. They dont complain about paying taxes to support the fire/police departments when the fire department protects their house. They like socialism for the rich, (what you call crony capitalism or wall street bailouts), and more oppose socialism for the poor (welfare, rent control, universal medicare, free college.) So if you can put down the Washington post, and leave aside any prior ideological aversion to the word socialism, all socialists really want is to choose who gets to consume most of the pie. Should it be .001% of the capitalists, who overall work the least, or the 99+% laborers?


Anonymous 03/20/2019 (Wed) 07:39:04 [Preview] No.20117 del
>>20045
>>20046
Some people write software as a hobby. Once written, it can be freely copied to everyone on the planet who needs it.

Some people grow vegetables as hobby. Do you think they grow enough to feed everyone on the planet?


the reason Anonymous 03/20/2019 (Wed) 08:58:52 [Preview] No.20119 del
definatly you should be able to plant a field build a house and survive off your own work now you can't work unless its for someone you should be able to survive without money tending the fields is the work god meant when he said a man don't work he don't eat. now theres no land just roads so you cant just plant a garden and live cause they need you there not going to go do the work but they want to get paid though faith without works is dead.


Anonymous 03/20/2019 (Wed) 21:44:28 [Preview] No.20126 del
>>20117
Actually reading the thread you're replying to is for faggets amrite?

>>20119
Martha.


Anonymous 03/21/2019 (Thu) 03:43:50 [Preview] No.20128 del
>>20117
I have a peach tree in my front yard, and sometimes people steal some fruit, and my neighbors chase them away when they see it, though I don't care because I can't possibly eat them all anyway. There's a Ring.com woman who posted a video shaming a woman for picking lines from a big tree in her front yard. These people are so selfish, they're not farmers, but they've been trained to hoard everything on their property even though it's obvious most of the limes will fall and rot on the ground.



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