Well I am glad the four "autumn gear" I paypigged recently all proved to be great investment >Base layer with 50cm turtleneck - Great >Gobik gloves - not too warm, very slick >Toe thingy 3 - I obliterated the previous ones, these are the same, but in boring all black >Shoe cover - Not as warm as i expected but still warm enough, tried them on sunday with summer socks and wasn't cold at all