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Useless news from Taiwan Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 12:57:11 [Preview] No. 14590
1. One woman killed her husband's sister. They shared an small apartment and had lots of arguments. Allegedly after a fight over inheritance, the woman killed the relative, then sealed the dead body with concret in her room. Somehow her husband didn't notice his sister didn't come out from her room for three days, until the company the sister worked for began to worry for her.
2. A controversial writer died. He had been a political prisoner in martial law era and a lawmaker later.
3. Coal power plant expansion program got into controversy.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 13:06:08 [Preview] No.14591 del
Earlier this year there was a woman starved to death in her rooftop add on. Here sister lives a level below her but reported that they rarely talked to each other so she didn't know if she was alive.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 13:39:40 [Preview] No.14595 del
Oh, hai Taiwan. I haven't seen you here. Welcome, and check the catalog you might find a thread that interests you!

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 13:58:45 [Preview] No.14598 del
The problem of reading local image board is that sometimes I found I am the problem of my country. It's a terrible guilty feeling

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:09:56 [Preview] No.14602 del
I thought the problem of your country is communists.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:27:29 [Preview] No.14603 del
You might say that. We have price control and compulsory health care and some kind of pension tax

I am so tired but I don't want to sleep and wake up in Monday.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:30:58 [Preview] No.14605 del
A new day a new opportunity. You should start it with rested mind and body.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:42:34 [Preview] No.14607 del
You are right. I should accept it by now...staying up late never bring me any good.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:45:43 [Preview] No.14608 del
Thank you.

Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:46:59 [Preview] No.14609 del
You have to get up you don't have a choice on that. But you can influence how you will do it. You can be tired and unsuitable to face the day or fresh and focused, ready to make it how you like it to be.

Of course.

Bernd 04/12/2018 (Thu) 14:19:57 [Preview] No.15872 del
Today I want to tell you. Republic of China is a mistake. It's created by USA miscalculation during Korean War. It's not in USA or the regions best interest.
I am not pro independence or anything. But ROC's gain is USA's losss

Bernd 04/12/2018 (Thu) 14:29:34 [Preview] No.15873 del
Every foreign policy the USA has been engaged in since the 1960s has had blowback and was miscalculated. This is why our Founders warned us about interventionalism in the first place!

Bernd 04/12/2018 (Thu) 15:46:56 [Preview] No.15874 del
Ivan IV?

Bernd 04/12/2018 (Thu) 17:24:25 [Preview] No.15877 del
>I am not pro independence or anything.
you are just pro usa then

>But ROC's gain is USA's losss
let's hope for a great gain for china then

Bernd 04/12/2018 (Thu) 20:04:11 [Preview] No.15881 del
>Republic of China is a mistake. It's created by USA miscalculation during Korean War

But isn't Taiwan is the original authentic China, not tainted by years of commie mismanagement with all their sparrow hunting and cultural cleansing?

Who cares about USA.

Bernd 04/13/2018 (Fri) 02:42:19 [Preview] No.15883 del
Batu Khan

Bernd 04/13/2018 (Fri) 05:32:23 [Preview] No.15887 del
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Bernd 04/13/2018 (Fri) 14:52:26 [Preview] No.15890 del
Back in early 1950s republic of China got no support and was almost lost.
But Korean War happened so USA supported ROC
General MacArthur made several mistakes so the war fell into stalemate.

Some scholars in Taiwan noted that ROC's influence on USA didn't help them but instead prolonged the stalemate.
One can also say that ROC is almost like south Vietnam.

Bernd 04/13/2018 (Fri) 17:01:02 [Preview] No.15896 del
So it's a good mistake? Noone cares about the US anyway.

Bernd 04/15/2018 (Sun) 03:10:24 [Preview] No.15943 del
Guess Who, a PTS program, gets English dubbing and subtitles. It seems they want it to be a showcase for foreigners.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4G8FanAR15E [Embed]
This episode is about a family with ADHD kid
The season 9 was better. It has a family on a remote island

Bernd 04/15/2018 (Sun) 04:14:42 [Preview] No.15944 del
This year's Mazu goddess processsion worked again and there is a brawl between local gangsters as usual

Bernd 04/15/2018 (Sun) 07:37:41 [Preview] No.15946 del
Do you take part in such processes? Or brawls?

Bernd 04/26/2018 (Thu) 12:39:28 [Preview] No.16096 del
I didn't go but my colleagues did. They seemed very experienced with the processions. But they hated the brawl

Bernd 04/26/2018 (Thu) 16:03:59 [Preview] No.16101 del
Thanks for the repeated answer.
Sadly the guys running Endchan kinda ruined things for us, lots of valued post lost. But that's life, you learn it by fucking up.

Bernd 04/30/2018 (Mon) 13:32:18 [Preview] No.16195 del
A fire broke out in a print circuit board factory. two Thai workers died. Five firemen died. 2 more are still in critical condition.
The boss of the factory denied that he gave wrong information to the firemen.

Bernd 04/30/2018 (Mon) 14:19:54 [Preview] No.16199 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Adgx9wt63NY [Embed]

Bernd 05/24/2018 (Thu) 23:44:59 [Preview] No.16646 del
A man broke into a dentist clinic and killed the dentist.
It's reported that he is the brother of an assistant who works there and he is mentally unstable. He had shown up in the clinic before and asked the assistant for money.

I guess this will make it harder for mentally ill people in general. The employers would not want to hire man with relatives now. So relatives would cut ties from mentally ill relatives

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 05:07:24 [Preview] No.16649 del
Good to see you again.
Sometimes soon I'm visiting my dentist. I hope won't be any such trouble there.

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 05:10:17 [Preview] No.16650 del
so when will the PRC fall

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 05:20:14 [Preview] No.16652 del
Any time now. Keep up the trade war.

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 12:42:03 [Preview] No.16656 del
Dentist appointment is very important.

1. One 14 yo girl ran away from home two moths before school placement exam. She came back home and soon committed suicide. It's suspected that she had been raped. Then one video appeared online. It was a gang beating up a young man who confessed to the camera that she raped the girl and deserved to be punished by the gangsters
2. One 5 yo girl died and her injury implied she was raped. Her uncle was suspected. Today 300 random people gathered and stormed the man's house and terrified the grandma.

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 12:55:23 [Preview] No.16657 del
Last piece of news today.
Top High schools of the island reported that this year there is a surge in number of students who applied for top universities in mainland. This seems to be the result of rise of those schools ranking and international reputation. But they may also be attracted by the preferential treatment mainland government promised to people on island. This news follows a previous national controversy on our government tried to ban officials from taking jobs in mainland schools

Now our schools don't seem to admit Chinese diploma and certificates I might be wrong about that. Our laws also prohibit agencies from recruiting students for mainland schools

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 14:08:36 [Preview] No.16658 del
Sometimes I have the delusion that I am a genius. But if I list the sources where I get my ideas I notice that there is nothing genius about it.

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 17:27:17 [Preview] No.16664 del
How will RC stop PRC's brain drain?
Do those who decide to learn in mainland schools get communist indoctrination in any way?
I'm guessing the official view on RC is that she isn't even exist.

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 23:23:22 [Preview] No.16669 del
There are already one or two millions Taiwanese working with kids in China and they reported they got no problems with mainland's emphasis on official political ideals in workplace
Taiwanese agrees that China is about market economy now, and are ok with mainland being governed by communist party. So they got no problem with that part.
The only thing that makes them uncomfortable is the controversy between unification and Taiwanese nationalism, which isn't a problem of indoctrination. It seems the more you teach about it the more they hate it.

There are many things in china we can learn from. Computer application. Mobile payment like Alipay or something. Good translated books. Chinese literature and cultures. Railroad tech maybe. I just heard that their environmental laws and air pollution control are admired by Taiwanese environmentalists.

Five years ago I heard a professor complaining that our grad students still have stereotypical ideas against china and don't want to go there even when the schools there are top ranked in the world. Now there is this "controversy" I think it's a good development.

There might be a problem when our kids entered their best schools with preferential admission policies though. People generally look down upon classmates who got there by preferential policies. This might add more stereotypes among mainlanders about Taiwanese people.

Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 23:35:03 [Preview] No.16671 del
>There are many things in china we can learn from. Computer application.
>Railroad tech maybe.

That looks strange because from outside Taiwan looks like high-tech society, and mainland is only trying to reach Taiwan level of technical progress.

Bernd 05/26/2018 (Sat) 04:58:07 [Preview] No.16672 del
It's hard to tell. It seems Taiwan had some leads in computer chips. But it's unlikely that Taiwan is ahead of China in every industry. Besides we are prepared for China getting ahead of us with their economic growth etc.
the railway tech is probably china's strength. If we build another MRT system we might hire a Chinese contractor.
Solar panels and wind turbines...I am not sure whose is more efficient. I only know that China had deployed more.
It seems safe to say their software development is ahead of us. Most softwares you get their versions first. Their search engines seem better too

Bernd 05/27/2018 (Sun) 19:02:07 [Preview] No.16698 del
They might have more people to put on innovation due larger population.
How's Hong Kong's intergartion?
How Taiwan sees to future? Do people wish to remain independent?

Bernd 05/28/2018 (Mon) 06:45:33 [Preview] No.16703 del
From what I know of Chinese history all it takes is one savvy emperor to unite the subcontinent. I'd start testing the youths for imperial compatibility.

Bernd 05/28/2018 (Mon) 12:08:24 [Preview] No.16706 del
Taiwanese people seems to prefer independence. For this reason the news we report from Hong Kong are all negative about their integration.
Objectively speaking there should be some good integration. The hongkong Chinese co production movies are the only success I can think of.

Bernd 05/28/2018 (Mon) 12:24:20 [Preview] No.16709 del
News today
1. A man went to a guy's house to collect debt. The guy has set up a "private temple" in his house (I don't know how to translate this. It means the temple is set up without consensus of other temples)
The guy's father illegally owned a pistol and he used it to shoot dead the debt collector and is arrested. It probably doesn't count as self defense.

2. An old man is arrested for killing his wife. They have been disputing about division of property and divorce for a long time. The old man killed his wife and dismembered her and hid it in his house.

3. A young man killed his gf and hanged himself. The woman is said to work in a foreign company and had degrees in foreign language from our two most prestigious schools. The guy used to work in a gym as a coach. The guy had one divorce and was accused of doing domestic violence. The guy seemed to killed her in their apartment suite, then dismembered her and bury the parts in apartment garden. He then hanged himself in a hotel room.

Bernd 05/28/2018 (Mon) 15:02:52 [Preview] No.16710 del
Is there any chance for a Han Union - ethnically Chinese territories uniting in a non-authoritarian community?
Cantonese, Hokkien, Shanghainese and other Chinese languages and cultures shouldn't dissapear. Also controlling the Tibetans and Mongolians and other minorities must be more work than it's worth it. Having a ceremonial Emperor could give a common base.

Bernd 05/29/2018 (Tue) 15:43:20 [Preview] No.16721 del
>It probably doesn't count as self defense.
Probably. Kek.
Otherwise interesting to read both about the events in the life of little people and the interaction between the two Chinas.
Here we don't know or hear much about that corner of the world. To sum up what we usually know:
1. China now is half commie half capitalist
2. Taiwan is capitalist
3. both grew economically in the past decades a lot
4. both has fast development in tech
5. both produces inexpensive but not durable and/or unreliable stuff in large quantities, "lot, cheap" as we say it
6. China show much interest in Central Eastern Europe, but mostly talk and less walk
Umm that's it.
One Hungary related: we sell citizenship to Chinese people by the dozen, which equals to EU citizenship.

That's an interesting idea. But I think we know the answer.

Bernd 05/30/2018 (Wed) 06:48:11 [Preview] No.16728 del
Hong Kong is wonderful because it has capitalism and plenty of money.
If information becomes ambiguous like integrated mainland China and crafty acts by the government are accepted, the merit of Hong Kong will decrease.
After introducing German and Japanese vehicles, China's railroad just improved the width etc.
Computer applications could be developed with a closed constitution that does not care about trademark rights and closeness that almost domestically achieves.

Bernd 05/30/2018 (Wed) 06:59:39 [Preview] No.16729 del
The birthrate of both China and Taiwan is less than two. The period during which the birthrate was lower than Japan is short, but the population increase is due to the aging population.

Bernd 05/31/2018 (Thu) 16:16:28 [Preview] No.16753 del
long time no see, Taiwan.

Bernd 06/01/2018 (Fri) 10:58:53 [Preview] No.16772 del
1. In 2015, Supriyanto, an Indonesian fish worker, died on a far field fishing boat under Taiwanese crew and owner. It wasn't prosecuted by Taiwanese prosecutor and Indonesian reporters claimed that it was prosecutor's negligence (they didn't translated video in cellphones correctly)
Last week an Indonesian crewman came forward to testify that Supriyanto was abused to death.
2. Local gangsters were filmed extorting rents from poor taxi drivers. Those who paid were given a wasp sticker and allowed to operate.
3. Local gangsters set fire in KMT party's one local headquarter.

Bernd 06/01/2018 (Fri) 21:48:46 [Preview] No.16782 del
As China doesn't have a developed pension system I wonder what will happen to those old people that don't have kids to support them.
Will they commit sudoku?

Bernd 06/02/2018 (Sat) 05:19:29 [Preview] No.16783 del
That's a good question. Maybe they get rations. Food and coal/oil/wood/electricity/hot water/whatever they can survive on for a while.
But how they don't have such, it's a commie country it supposed to have all kinds of social security or how it is called.

How about organized crime on Taiwan? Are there triads and stuff like that?

Bernd 06/02/2018 (Sat) 11:49:00 [Preview] No.16786 del
They do have pensions but they are very low and participation is voluntary.
I did a quick Google search, 9% of rural population participates and around 50% urban population.

Bernd 06/02/2018 (Sat) 13:07:51 [Preview] No.16787 del
I think in the country they live how they lived through the ages, working till the grave and probably the local community, the village might help them in a way or other. Or not because it sounds somewhat... umm... romantic notion maybe.

Bernd 06/03/2018 (Sun) 15:55:19 [Preview] No.16842 del
On this problem I only heard hearsay: peasants don't have pension so they work on the day they die.
I have heard similar stories in Taiwan: peasants work scrap jobs in their 80s but I am too indifferent to them so I can't confirm.
Not sure how communist subsidies work.
In the past there was a hot topic about peasant villages disintegrated because young people moved to cities to work and their elders and children were left behind in villages. They were not abandoned because the migrant workers still send back remittance but they don't have young people around in villages.

We have "triads" (the term seems to be specific to hongkong/USA ). They are very active here. They infiltrated the local interest: irrigation resuource association in farming towns and land development project in cities. Public construction. Drugs. Prostitution. And they infiltrated the local temples.

It's that day again.

Bernd 06/03/2018 (Sun) 16:07:26 [Preview] No.16843 del
It's that day again. June 4th on Monday. Komica becomes Loren politicized and anti China. But I guess it should also because the users have aged. Besides anti China its topics about wage slave and suicide jokes.

Bernd 06/03/2018 (Sun) 20:25:16 [Preview] No.16866 del
>peasant villages disintegrated because young people moved to cities to work...
Now we have similar settis. In small country towns and villages there aren't any job opportunities and young people move to large towns (mostly to W-NW Hungary), Budapest or Western Europe. Some just to work there and send money home, some finally. Only old people and gypsies remain, pensioners and public workers (no free moneyz, gibsmedats nowadays at least).
Thing is they don't make their opportunities and everyone is waiting for some employer to show up. Ofc there are legal-political obstacles make it hard for entrepreneurs to emerge and do their own thing.

>Komica becomes Loren politicized and anti China.
I have no idea what that means.
I googled that. That's an imageboard?

Bernd 06/03/2018 (Sun) 22:34:51 [Preview] No.16881 del
>And they infiltrated the local temples.
Could you elaborate on that please? What profit could they possibly make from infiltrating temples? They steal the charity money?

Bernd 06/03/2018 (Sun) 22:51:26 [Preview] No.16883 del
Loren is just a typo. Yes komica is a image board.

Today's news:
1. One Indonesian nurse/caretaker gave childbirth in the house of the employer. According to ROC laws these children are not ROC citizens. What often happens next is the employer would fire her and she would be deported
2. One marine soldier was shot by gangsters when he was on leave. He was killed when he was filling his car in a gas station.
The police tracked the gangster who killed him, who claimed that he mistook the victim to be the man whom his girlfriend cheated with. But I don't believe it. gangsters often claimed they killed the wrong man and denied they have anything to do with the victims to hide the true motive. They would create confusion and offer police a low ranking gangster as scapegoat

Bernd 06/04/2018 (Mon) 16:49:24 [Preview] No.16937 del
Indonesia can always benefit some more street children who grow up to be mobsters.

Bernd 06/04/2018 (Mon) 22:44:45 [Preview] No.16954 del
I have seen that movie. Not bad. There was another movie about the victims. Because it's about victims I didn't care so I didn't watch it.
I heard that Indonesia has changed and people care about this more and more and this movie is their signal. But I don't know anything about Indonesia.

I only know that i have deep fear against foreign labors

Bernd 06/05/2018 (Tue) 05:09:35 [Preview] No.16956 del
Maybe it's a community thing. People could turn more easily/openly to them with their problems so they can solve it in exchange for money or favours. Or perhaps they can access to governmental funds or other.
We'll see if Taiwanese Bernd has more info on that.

Bernd 06/05/2018 (Tue) 05:10:45 [Preview] No.16957 del
I have seen that movie.
I'm glad my reference wasn't amiss.

Bernd 06/05/2018 (Tue) 13:10:44 [Preview] No.16963 del
Sorry I didn't see your question earlier. Not sure if infiltrate is the right word. It implies the temples were there before the gangsters.
Zhenlan temple in Taichung is a famous example of the old temples. It was a major temple in a rich countryside. The temple collect fees and "tax"(not sure if that's the right word) from local households inside its "parish". If you live there you have to pay it. The temple also served as gathering place for locals, attracted vendors, and raised funds for local constructions. Naturally rich and powerful figures in local factions tried to control the temples to match their status. Then in 1997 a very infamous gangster boss got elected to chair the temple. So in this case you might say the gangster infiltrated the temple.
After that the society changed greatly. The Zhenlan temple became internationally famous, and it got much more money from donation from non residents and tourists. The boss continued to chair the temple, became legit, and got elected to become a lawmaker in parliament. Chinese people laughed at us for that. He now passed his seat to his son.
That is the case of an old temple.

But to my understanding many new temples were established by new gangsters. I don't think the new temples can collect money from local residents. The rumor is that the money in these small irregular temples comes from the gangsters' operation and the temple is just a front for money laundry.

One more connection between gangsters and temples is that gangsters often work and pay for the temple's parade performance. Different performance troupes from different temples often have brawls for territory of the temples.

That is all I know.

Bernd 06/05/2018 (Tue) 13:28:17 [Preview] No.16964 del
One more thing I can think of, is that temples are very very important political centers (at least in countryside). I don't know how it worked but in current election system the local factions (business, industry and politicians) and major temples work closely. Local factions seem to control vote captains and can influence local and national elections. That's why local and national politicians must visit major temples, for both PR and other effects.
Most of our presidents are Christians but they all offered incense in temples (an act strictly prohibited by local churches)

This is current President visiting zhenlan temple.

Bernd 06/06/2018 (Wed) 05:35:01 [Preview] No.16992 del
It's Buddhist temple I assume.
On the second pic the dude on the left looks like a typical mobster.

Bernd 06/07/2018 (Thu) 16:48:34 [Preview] No.17025 del
Before this year I didn't know good safety is such a politically charged business.
There is a semi official job in Taipei in charge of a farm produce company and now its operation is very political.
I don't want to talk about it though. These kinds of things make me feel I am wrong.

Bernd 06/07/2018 (Thu) 17:05:04 [Preview] No.17029 del
>I don't want to talk about it though.
You don't have to.

Here when I wrote: "I have seen that movie." I wanted to quote but forgot the > meme arrow.

Bernd 06/07/2018 (Thu) 17:54:54 [Preview] No.17039 del
Oh, btw, do you have any information that could help our friend here: >>16911 ?

Bernd 06/09/2018 (Sat) 14:50:32 [Preview] No.17085 del
Sorry no. Not brave enough to go there. Not connected enough to know people who live there. Ignorant about china in general.

Bernd 06/09/2018 (Sat) 15:11:23 [Preview] No.17086 del
Today I am mentally stable enough to talk about it.

So there is a big company called Taipei Farm Produce Transportation. It's a semi official company that supplies most produce to the big city

Its last boss was a KMT politician and the current one is DPP's pick. The KMT makes a huge controversy to challenge the current manager's credential.

Komica, a very independence minded imageboard, has this post that educated me about this company.
It argues that the company is a guild-like market of produce wholesalers. It argues that originally the produce wholesalers were all independence minded local residents, and supported KMT's opponents. Then in 70s KMT disrupted the market and inserted many pro-KMT mainlander wholesalers into the market.
The post described the mainlanders, from wholesalers to civil and military officials as greedy, profiteering and incompetent. It described the KMT managers as a sweet talking muscle man from a ruthless mainlander gang, and he has no managing skill other than causing price fluctuation that made him and his allies rich at cost of farmers and consumers.

Reading this kind of thing depresses me because I am a mainlander myself, but everything that sounds reasonable to me criticizes mainlanders in Taiwan.

Bernd 06/09/2018 (Sat) 15:15:37 [Preview] No.17087 del
I am now watching a mainland show called Jin Xing Show. It features "China's first male to female transsexual talent" as a host interviewing a Chinese singer called Sun Nan. My biggest problem with it is not for some reason the Taiwanese channel blocked all the product placement on screen.

Speaking of tv show: I once told a friend that I like to watch Japanese infotainment/variety show from Videoland Channel. That friend told me: "Me, too, Anon. I watched one show from that channel too. It's called 《跟拍到你家》(家、ついて行ってイイですか). Its format is to send the camera crew to talk to random commuters who go to Tokyo train station to go home, and ask if he or she allows the crew to go home with him or her and make film.
"So this time they followed a poor looking old man to his bachelor apartment. It was a messy room. The old man told the crew that he never worked any formal job, and he had been always trying to pass the civil servant exam for all his life.
"Anon, this old man isn't mentally challenged or disabled. And he knows many knowledge and current issues. But he never applied his talents to anything relevant. He never entered the society. Don't be that old man Anon."
That's probably the last time I talked to him

Bernd 06/09/2018 (Sat) 20:20:17 [Preview] No.17107 del
Kuomintang still exists? Well, I've lack some knowledge in case of Taiwan.
I also not sure if I see this straight.
So the Taiwanese people comprises of several backgrounds. Most of them Chinese, but some non-Chinese. I know (if this is correct) that after the commies took over in mainland China a certain amount of people fled from there to Taiwan. So are there "original" Taiwanese Chinese and mainlander Chinese? Or every Chinese on Taiwan counts as mainlander as they aren't natives?

>That's probably the last time I talked to him
I had occasions I got angry on some of my friends and stopped talking to them but in the end we reconciled and I feel that for the good. Friends are rare and words are just words.
About what he said I think he didn't want to wrong you, it sounds he meant as a good advice. Tho it doesn't feel too Buddhist thing to say.

Bernd 06/09/2018 (Sat) 23:24:45 [Preview] No.17114 del
It's not like that. We just haven't met since last month. I appreciated what he said.

In Taiwan there were once two major political labels. One is called islanders. They were Chinese who settled on the island since 17th century. They claimed that they have been separated from the mainland long enough that they don't count as Chinese anymore. Then there were people who identified themselves as mainlanders who came in 1949 with KMT. They said they accounted for 10% of population.
The islanders and mainlanders struggled many times and had deep hatred for each other. That's how I understand most news in Taiwan. The problem is the labels are too convenient to be applied and distorts the real nature of the news.

Bernd 06/10/2018 (Sun) 00:12:40 [Preview] No.17115 del
Yesterday's news.
The prince of eSwatini (formerly Swaziland) graduates from a university in Taiwan. The king and queen came to the graduation ceremony.
eSwatini is the only state on Africa that have diplomatic tie with us (after two other states broke up with us in favor of mainland last month)
People generally have bad impression for these ties, believing that they are maintained by corrupting bribes.
2. Another minor fire broke out in an apartment (subdivided into many small suites). No one died this time.
3. The government is going to ban the practice of setting the employee dormitory and factory in the same building. Especially the dorm for foreign workers.

Bernd 06/10/2018 (Sun) 00:40:34 [Preview] No.17116 del
EO schwa

Yesterday I skimmed a few pages of three books. The first one is about the history of a small minority nation in Chinese history. The book has dramatization in its titles and contents, and the author is introduced as "author of popular online novel". The funny thing is I guess the writer is a PRC citizen but the introduction didn't mention it.

The second and third books I skimmed were written by Yanagi Soetsu and translated by a Mr Xu. It talked about that he defined "folk art" as useful and affordable products, and it has to be well made not crudely made.
It fits my stereotype of Japanese products. The clay cups and lacquer discs, the useful stationary products etc. they are well designed and lovely and give me a very positive impression about Japanese people.
In Taiwan I often see this comparison between japan and china. MIJ is good and cool. MIC is miserable etc. I never made a serious comparison but I have this vague impression.

The funny thing is about Mr Xu the translator. the second book is published in Taiwan and the third one is published in China. The Chinese book has Mr Xu's introduction, about how he learned about Yunagi's work in China since mid 1970s (after japan resumed ties with China I guess), how he translated Yunagi's articles and published them in China, which Chinese publishers helped him etc. the second book is obviously reprinted in Taiwan without authorization of Mr Xu and only vaguely described him.
It seems we have been reading lots of books from china. Both translated and original works. These books taught some Taiwanese people about the history, the world, even about Japan. But our publishers always conveniently ignored the facts that they came from china.

Bernd 06/10/2018 (Sun) 15:45:50 [Preview] No.17127 del
I see.
So KMT still got many votes from "islander" Taiwanese?

Haha, I remember Swaziland's namechange it's funny.
Yeah China is hungry for the raw materials of Africa.

Bernd 06/10/2018 (Sun) 23:34:34 [Preview] No.17133 del
Yes. The KMT has localized. Some would say it has two factions in it: mainlanders and islanders. They also struggled.

Bernd 06/11/2018 (Mon) 02:22:41 [Preview] No.17135 del
For how long have the aboriginals in Taiwan been a minority on the island?

Bernd 06/11/2018 (Mon) 14:52:21 [Preview] No.17144 del
It depends on definition of aboriginals but it should be so since 17th century

Bernd 06/12/2018 (Tue) 15:51:50 [Preview] No.17175 del
Some book sellers here do the following: they buy a few books from the publishers, and send one copy of every book to China where they make copies, forgeries for them in high volume for peanuts in return.

Bernd 06/13/2018 (Wed) 13:10:17 [Preview] No.17197 del
On Komica there is now a strong hate against China and favor for japan. But I think...we actually learned something from modern china without knowing it.

Bernd 06/13/2018 (Wed) 17:39:19 [Preview] No.17202 del
>On Komica there is now a strong hate against China and favor for japan
How come? Were they previously friendly to China? Komica is a Taiwanese chan, right?
Previously you wrote they are mock the wage slavery of China and suicide.

Do you read European books? Is there mandatory literature in school, a list a books every student have to read?
We have such and all European from antiquity to our day and age.

Bernd 06/13/2018 (Wed) 23:34:16 [Preview] No.17210 del
I can only say a imageboard is often complicated, but the apparent hate against China is very apparent. I don't think the board was ever friendly toward china but I remember before the hate isn't that emphasized.

I haven't been in school for a long time. But in primary school we had encouraged reading list (semi mandatory) when we can pick from a list of translated western fiction classics: wrath of grapes, Jane Austin etc. this is intended to encourage "reading" in general and focuses on Chinese language skills. then perhaps in highschool they read Jane Austin in English perhaps. This is to train English.
Not very familiar with how it works now. They have much better foreign language training now. Second foreign language: Japanese. French. or southeast asian ones. They have more in-depth class for everything now. Ethics, social studies, geography etc.

But I wasn't a good student before so I can't make good comparison. Never read any Plato, Jane Austin, Dante, or Adam Smith myself (but I saw other kids reading them)

Bernd 06/13/2018 (Wed) 23:43:41 [Preview] No.17211 del
Today's news:
1. A dozen Vietnamese migrant workers gathered in Taiwan to protest the Vietnamese government's "special economic zone" project because they think Chinese firms will win the bid and control the project.
2. In a related news, Taiwanese owned firms operating in Vietnam reported that there are many mass protests inside Vietnam. Though the protests are against the economic zone project, many worried it would turn into an aimless anti-Chinese riot and the Taiwanese firms would be smashed like two years ago.
3. A teacher is reported to have labeled students and used "bullying" to promote grade performance.
4. Teachers union gathered to petit for compensation because their pension was cut.
5. A controversy about government trying to ban plastic straw

Bernd 06/14/2018 (Thu) 01:14:49 [Preview] No.17213 del
Oh and china just had its college entrance exam last week

Bernd 06/14/2018 (Thu) 06:49:19 [Preview] No.17219 del
What is Taiwanese view about Russia? Do common people have some average opinion?

Bernd 06/14/2018 (Thu) 15:55:29 [Preview] No.17225 del
I cannot represent ordinary people.
Politically, KMT once had close relation with soviet but later they treated soviet as enemy and censored or demonized everything about it. I can't forget one mistake in my high school chemistry textbook which called Mendeleev " from Soviet Union" that's probably caused by lack of info.

On the other hand translated Russian classical novels were highly valued. Karamazov brothers and three sisters were recommended since 1970s.

There were also recent interest in trades, tourism, interest about how post communism states developed. Interest of dating Ukrainian brides etc.

The most recent memes..., I don't know where it came from but I saw it on cable tv. They called Russians "warrior race" and exaggerated the endurance of cold, heavy drinking, combat performance, strange infrastructure etc

Bernd 06/14/2018 (Thu) 15:57:29 [Preview] No.17226 del

> I cannot represent ordinary people.
I meant though I am not special, I don't know how other ordinary people really think. I don't know the general consensus.

Bernd 06/14/2018 (Thu) 16:35:29 [Preview] No.17229 del
>Interest of dating Ukrainian brides
Laughed at that.

btw I want to say that I enjoy this thread, gives an interesting insight into the country.
You deserve a pat on the head.

Bernd 06/14/2018 (Thu) 20:30:08 [Preview] No.17242 del
We don't read anything in foreign languages (unless the teacher want's it but there's rarely enough time for this in the class curriculum), everything is translated.

What's wrong with plastic straws?

>Ukrainian brides
Well at least it's less likely she'll steal your kidneys and escape back home from Taiwan.

Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 01:16:13 [Preview] No.17351 del
They want to reduce plastic waste.

Useless news today
1. Muslim festival Ramadan coincides with summer festival this weekend.
2. On this festival some rich temples would offer some free rice to support poor families.
3. The pension cut is delivered to teachers and professors. KMT party also rallied teachers to sign a petition that might appeal in supreme court one day. The rally wasn't very effective.
4. Communist spies prosecution continued.

Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 01:36:30 [Preview] No.17352 del
Recently I read a "book printed for merit" (Yingshanshu). Chinese people once believe that printing religious books give you merits. However there are also some Buddhist cautionary tales saying that there is no merits in such a thing.
The book is an introduction in plain language of a difficult Buddhist text. On the back cover it introduced the small temple who sponsored it.
I used to look down on such book because they were freely available and they are often preachy and full of errors. But I did learn a lot from this one.
As I looked it up later the Buddhist text was suspected to be fabricated by medieval Chinese Buddhists (not really ancient teaching of Buddha)

Finally, I learned that Buddha Siddhartha Gautama said he won't reincarnate again. I always wondered why he said that. Now I guess he was teaching people not to look for his reincarnation

Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 05:37:26 [Preview] No.17356 del
Enlightenment and becoming Buddha supposed to stop the endless cycle of reincarnation. On the other hand every Buddha is the same and if you become enlightened you won't be a Buddha but the Buddha, no? And that we are different things is just a mirage anyway. Is there such a thing that reincarnation? Ehh. I'll think this through, or not.

>They want to reduce plastic waste.
Not a bad idea. For medical reasons (for people with broken jaw for example) they can use silicon tubes. But when these people are no longer in hospital it might be better to use plastic straws because silicon tubes need cleaning and I wouldn't trust ordinary people that they will do it and straws can be discarded easily.

Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 07:08:04 [Preview] No.17362 del

>On the other hand every Buddha is the same and if you become enlightened you won't be a Buddha but the Buddha, no?
So I have heard.
And that we are different things is just a mirage anyway. Is there such a thing that reincarnation?
They say no

Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 12:18:18 [Preview] No.17363 del
Taiwan, I am not a Taiwan, I am from elsewhere, where the hell do you get the news? Everything I see is fb-news and k-pop shit. It doesn´t matter if it´s chinese.


Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 14:12:51 [Preview] No.17365 del
I watch TVBS and FTV news but when I select stuff I rely on Komica and PTS
the news I saw were also usually FB news dashboard cam k-pop.
But komica was very bitter and would remind me of the important news.

Bernd 06/18/2018 (Mon) 14:18:23 [Preview] No.17366 del

Bernd 06/19/2018 (Tue) 14:35:17 [Preview] No.17408 del
The road to integration. The road to acceptance.
Today's news
An archery teacher confessed that he killed a woman and dismembered and disposed the body. The news caused complaints about regulation and security of artists' village
Taipei mayor Ko appears invincible.
Some colleges closed down because they cannot attract students.

Bernd 06/19/2018 (Tue) 21:12:28 [Preview] No.17424 del
archery, not even once. This might lead to horse riding archers and we all know how this ends.

Bernd 06/20/2018 (Wed) 05:05:42 [Preview] No.17427 del
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>we all know how this ends.
In throat singing.

Taiwan, my Brother in Turan, it's time to join the horde and conquer the world!

What are these artists' village? Here I heard about communes of artists and scientists/engineers but these aren't nowhere to settlement level.
Who is Ko invincible? Nothing can cause to him bodily harm or in politics he has very stable position?

Bernd 06/20/2018 (Wed) 15:33:45 [Preview] No.17430 del
We don't have Mongolians here. We view equestrian course negatively. Our people are only (perhaps not only) familiar with Japanese archery. The Chinese confucian and local militia archery which are also far away from Manchurian and Mongolian archery, is probably completely lost in Taiwan. They lost the appeal to young people who try to be closer to japan and to distant from china. But that might be inaccurate because I read all about them from Komica

The murder suspect's archery class is very problematic. At first the victim booked the suspect's program that media reported as "traditional culture". Later we learned that the program is called "Taiwanese aboriginal traditional culture". Today an aboriginal organization furiously explained that the suspect is only distantly related to aboriginals, and has no credential or qualification to claim to represent the people's culture. The people is estimated to have 10k people.

His case was politicized from the beginning. The suspect lives or operates on a park that is designated as "cultural and creativity industry park" (the "artist village" I mentioned earlier). It's not a settlement it's just a park. Artists apply for license to do business on the park. But local people feel they disturbed the local peace and order and introduced crime and wastes. The park is in lock down now due to murder investigation.

From the beginning the media already emphasized the violence, cruelty and perversion of the dismemberment. They also link the case with two other cases this month, and describe it as "copycat crime wave".
This naturally leads to the KMT and DPP policy debate on death penalty. Generally speaking ROC has adopted international and EU conventions to avoid or abandon death penalty. DPP in particular opposes it for their human right and democracy policies. KMT however believed that people strongly demand death penalty.
KMT politicians now argued that DPP has neither sentenced nor executed one death sentence since it came to power, and argued that this is shaming the victim and her family, and that it has encouraged bad people to violate laws.

When I said mayor Ko is invincible, I mean that no one can defeat him in the year end election. Ko is not a member to any party, and is said to have changed the election model in Taiwan that relied on parties. Both KMT and DPP tried to ally with and challenge Ko.

Bernd 06/20/2018 (Wed) 15:35:31 [Preview] No.17431 del
The real news today is that monsoon rain finally came to Taiwan (after flooding India and China)
The rain relieved the draught but also flooded southern Taiwanese towns, and caused damage to crops.

Bernd 06/21/2018 (Thu) 14:18:22 [Preview] No.17448 del
Today I saw an episode of Chinese drama. The title is "Game of Hunting" Liechang or Hunting ground in Chinese. It's about a calculative head hunting agent trying not to recruit a district chief in Beijing municipal government to work in a private financial company in Shenzhen.
To do this they must understand the official's thinking and his career choice. They exploited his uncertainty about whether he is kept under the new administration, and exploited his daughter's wish to move out from Beijing, and they even offered his wife a job in Shenzhen.
So they said lots of technical jargons about government posts and privatization of Chinese economy.
The problem with Video Land channel is that they must block all simplified characters, all product placement and all Chinese flags. And the commercial is long.
After the drama there is a music video that used Buddhist sutra as lyric and used puppet drama show as video. After that they showed a locally produced poor show. It's a talk show where guests share ghost stories.

Bernd 06/21/2018 (Thu) 17:45:58 [Preview] No.17454 del
Thing about archery was just for the fun.

I can understand how that ethnic group is indignant.
So officially there is death penalty in Taiwan just they don't use it?
How do you feel about Ko? Is he doing well?

Ironic situation with the water.

Is that a reality show or fiction?
Be glad you don't know Hungarian talk-shows...

Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 13:06:24 [Preview] No.17465 del
It's just a TV serial drama. I just try to learn a little bit about China. I am quite ignorant about it.

Mayor Ko is doing ok I suppose. I only noticed how much he suppprted Taiwanese independence Ann's how much he hate KMT and mainlanders. Don't know much else about him.

Yes. The current and last administration now avoid handing out death sentence. But KMT made some high profile executions to show they are willing to do it.
Personally I am more influenced by foreigners and don't see the problem of this but locals are very very emotional and persuasive about this.

Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 13:30:40 [Preview] No.17466 del
The agent is now appealing the "bright side" of the official. He told official that choosing that's job would allow him to "publish English academic papers on Fortune journal" which is the official's lifelong interest.
The drama also talked about the north south difference in China. The official is a very serious and politics minded. The private company who wants to recruit him is owned by a southerner. He is a business man and practice southern customs and wears stylized cloth

Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 13:43:00 [Preview] No.17467 del
They also said that the official's daughter likes outdoor sports, but she is allergic to Beijing's smog

Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 22:57:32 [Preview] No.17492 del
Yesterday I watched an episode of PTS guess who
It reported an aboriginal man from Hualien. He is a football player. I always ignore the fact that we play football too. I also assumed that aboriginal people always work in Taiwan. But this football player plays for China League One. I always ignored Chinese sports news especially its football news. Never know that we have a Taiwanese player playing in Chinese league.

Bernd 06/24/2018 (Sun) 07:02:13 [Preview] No.17502 del
It was news to me as well that the Chinese league attracts foreign players. I usually don't watch football I was a match goer long ago tho, and I like football and sports in general and now that I follow matches I heard that this player or that plays for Chinese clubs. I precisely remember a Nigerian which isn't much surprise as China's influence grows in Africa all around, and it's a possible way for African players to go abroad and international "field".

Bernd 06/25/2018 (Mon) 15:52:16 [Preview] No.17522 del
Normal topic I used to hear years ago.
"To be a great/successful/smart man you need to Ha every international perspective. What is international perspective? Do you know that the ancient city of Chang'an had a 100 meter wide road? That's what made ancient china great"
What I don't understand is, if we have a bigger road today doesn't it make us greater than ancient china already???

Recently this year I also hear lots of discussion about the mobile payment in China. There are pros and cons. Pro Chinese people say their mobile payment already surpassed us. Bitter people say that is because China was underdeveloped previously in credit cards etc. even more bitter people would say they have trust issue between people and stayed backwardly in a "cash economy"
That was the first time I heard the word cash economy and how it represents backwardness of a country.

Bernd 06/25/2018 (Mon) 16:06:55 [Preview] No.17524 del
>What I don't understand is, if we have a bigger road today doesn't it make us greater than ancient china already???
I think it depends on the times. Back than that road was something. Now it's easier to build, it's not that great performance. However I think it's not the road made China great but her greatness made available to build that road.

Bernd 06/25/2018 (Mon) 16:33:52 [Preview] No.17525 del
I recently discovered that China's literary idol Lu Xun (1880s-1930s) is well known in japan.
Japan has lots of knowledge about China. But Lu Xun is very emphasized. Japanese translation of his two essays are included in most versions of national literature textbooks.
(I don't quite remember what was in my mandarin national literature textbooks in my age. But I don't think we had much foreign works in it (we did have a lesson about General McArthur though)
And Lu Xun is a leftist figure so in the past textbooks ignored him. Not sure how Taiwanese kids today hear about him. One of his satirical story is in a popular textbook now. In china on the other hand Lu Xun is a personal cult)

The two essays were Hometown and Mr Fujino. Hometown was about Lu went to liquidate his family property and felt nostalgic for his childhood friend. Mr Fujino was about how much he admired his professor when he was studying in japan. Both are positive and sentimental.

The fact that most kids of both China and Japan read these two Chinese stories might be a sign that the two peoples can have better impression with each other? Nonsense. No one likes a thing because it's in the textbook.

And so what if Japanese and Chinese share similar literature taste? What does it mean to Southeast Asians, if they dislike the Northeast Asians for international issues?
Oh wait, Lu Xun has been translated into Vietnamese and Malay too. Vietnam was a communist state and Malaysia an anti communist one. But still, it doesn't really matter.

Bernd 06/25/2018 (Mon) 16:39:42 [Preview] No.17526 del
I guess what they meant was Chang'an was a "international" city back then and the road led all the way to Europe.
The implied idea is Chinese people (and Taiwanese people whom this story addressed to) are provincial.
But don't we have import and export bigger than Silk Road already? Why does it not give us "international perspective "?

It's just a readily available cliche teachers used to admonish kids

Bernd 06/25/2018 (Mon) 16:47:47 [Preview] No.17527 del
Well, Japan acquired many things from China during her history among them her taste... and imperial, also imperialistic mindset. You ask complex questions tho they worth to think them through.

Ah, I see. Still if China weren't an empire back then in the first place they wouldn't venture far, also noone would approached her from the west.
But as you said, it's an empty cliché now. Ofc it's good to have international perspective and noone should forget it but as you said it's almost given by default.

Bernd 06/25/2018 (Mon) 18:05:33 [Preview] No.17532 del
There is a story about Chinese music.

On CE 582, the assistant minister proposed to emperor Wen of Sui dynasty: "ancient sage said: bad music is correlated with bad laws and order. The court music we have now follows the style of western barbarians. We should change that by following the system of the southern Chinese state and by studying the old text. " but the king disagreed: "the music of southern Chinese state is a music that destroyed the state. How can I use it."

At the time, the court music still used the same music of the previous dynasty. So the king ordered a guy to study ancient text to change it. They tried to change the tuning but it became even more unusable. So more official scholars gathered to discuss this problem. But after a long discussion the tuning was still in discord.

The king became angry: "I have taken the Mandate of Heaven for 7 years now, yet my official musicians are still playing songs that valorize the previous dynasty!" And he wanted to prosecute an official for this. The official advised the king: "even ancient sage waited a long time after establishment of the state before he established the music. This is an important matter. It cannot be rushed." The king relented, and called for people who understand music to work on it.

Finally one official reported: "I have studied the records of official musicians. They all recorded names of 7 tones. But three of the seven tones are wrong no matter how we try. But in previous dynasty, when their king married his Turk queen, Sujiva, a musician from Qizi (in today's Xinjiang Uyghur region) came to China with her. He was good at playing Pipa (lute?). His performance had 7 tones. He said his father was from Central Asia and was a famous musical talent. His father taught him that there are 7 tones and that how each tone was defined. When we applied the 7 tones described by Sujiva on our musical record, it works."

So this is an anecdote of how Chinese music was influenced by Central Asia.

Bernd 06/26/2018 (Tue) 01:36:42 [Preview] No.17534 del
While I was surprised by the fact that Japanese put Lu Xun in their middle school textbooks, I ignored the fact that Vietnam also put Lu Xun in their textbooks. "Hometown" was also the one included and well received.
I just selectively notice the Japanese and ignored the Vietnam. But Vietnam was on the other side so it's harder for me to notice, despite the fact that there are Vietnamese Working in my town.

Bernd 06/26/2018 (Tue) 19:47:37 [Preview] No.17570 del
That's interesting. I thought steppe people generally has pentatonic music.

What languages do you use/speak/read/know? Taiwan's official is Mandarin. But there are other small languages as well. You use English I can see that. Others? Like Japanese, or Cantonese, Korean? And what level?
Because I ask a personal question I kinda obligated to be reciprocal. Beside my mother tong I know English what also you can see, but learned some German, little Latin and dabbled for a short tiem in Italian. I always planned - not seriously - to learn other languages, like Russian or Spanish. I can recognize a word here and there in several other languages, even in Japanese.

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 02:03:59 [Preview] No.17572 del
I can only use mandarin and English. Nothing else. Most people in Taiwan use "Taiwanese" a southern dialect of Min. But not me. English has been mandatory for elementary schools for 10 years I guess.

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 06:27:49 [Preview] No.17573 del
Tell us about Komica. I found 2 of them and they both link each other but when I open those it's all Chinese to me so I couldn't get out much of what's going on.
There are great many board on Komica and by randomly opening a few I found even individual games have their own boards. Is the userbase that big?

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 06:37:11 [Preview] No.17574 del
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Haha, I found this there. I can't say if one of the drew it or find it somewhere else tho. But they are following the World Cup as well.

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 11:03:40 [Preview] No.17576 del
This is the main index. There is another index for adult contents. There are several boards with some boards not listed on the main index and used similar interface. Many specific boards are probably not as active as the general boards. The board most open to English is probably the "overseas" board [http://next.nagatoyuki.org/outremer/] mainly for Taiwanese to talk about life overseas
I only use the general board [http://ram.komica2.net/00/] there is also a general 2 [http://alleyneblade.mymoe.moe/queensblade/] with different interface.

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 11:53:03 [Preview] No.17577 del
Oh, thanks! I checked out /outremer/ interesting choice of name I might post there sometimes something. Looks interesting.
Here is the thread where they posted the Polandball comic above:
If I would ask them who made it or where they found it - contributing with my own drawings of course - would they reply or would I get banned? Do they know English?

How come you started posting on Krautchan? Btw I'm very glad you chose our board to post your things.
Also this post here: >>17532 wasn't written by you, was it? Maybe this guy here: >>17363 did?

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 11:54:56 [Preview] No.17578 del
Also after the World Cup I'll have time to write something instead of draw. What topic would you interested in? Ofc it's a question for the other Bernds as well no matter how few they are.

Bernd 06/27/2018 (Wed) 13:44:54 [Preview] No.17580 del
I am not sure of their reaction. Not familiar with that board. And I am not used to seeing foreigners on main board. Some of them frequent foreign boards and have enough skills to answer your question. I don't think you will be banned but you might attract too much attention and too many English posts. Then some people might feel you are derailing it. most users aren't comfortable with English. I guess I am not either.

I just use this thread as a personal blog thing. The original purpose was to keep my English skill. I chose news because it covers things I don't usually care. Then I lost balance when I wrote it. I wanted to stay anonymous but I also liked the attention.
4chan felt too active for me. There are also komica users on 4chan. I don't like mixing the English and Chinese boards I read.

I used to avoid talking about Komica to foreigners and avoid talking about foreigners on Komica. But after translating Taiwanese news for a while I lost the balance. I guess it's hard not to talk about "friends" behind their back. I hate them and I hate myself. Choose an online thing to avoid real relations but I guess I always turn it like a real one.

Bernd 06/28/2018 (Thu) 20:00:00 [Preview] No.17628 del
Interesting. I will take into consideration what you wrote.

>but I also liked the attention.
Everyone does. Moreover Taiwan isn't just rare ball but what you're doing is also OC basically.

>I used to avoid talking about Komica to foreigners and avoid talking about foreigners on Komica.
We can drop the topic in the future.

Bernd 06/29/2018 (Fri) 01:20:36 [Preview] No.17629 del
I brought them up myself. Should have avoided that myself . Those people I hate them and like them . I hope what I wrote is OC but I guess it's also very influenced by them after all. Thanks for your encouragement though.

Today's useless news in Taiwan:
1. Big and prestigious hospital accused of killing two dialysis patients. The hospital admitted they have wrongly connected the machine to tap water instead of to the RO water, but insisted that this didn't cause the death of the patients
2. A district inside Taipei city is finally re-designated in national land use zoning plan by the central governemnt. This would permit local residents to build and renew their houses on it. The district was designated as "no construction zone" 40 years ago. All existing houses on that haven't been permitted to modify or renew since then. It became a scrap yard and news reported that kids born there have been treated as second class citizens. The subsequent relocation and compensation will be a problem though. This is claimed as another victory and contribution by mayor Ko

3. This week is the third anniversary of the powder explosion at a outdoor party. Many injured people come up to talk about compensation issues. As the party organizer is bankrupted the local government is to be blamed.
The injured also said they feel bullied by comments on internet, which condemned them for attending the party
4. Draught is relieved in the south but continued in the north.

Bernd 07/02/2018 (Mon) 20:06:47 [Preview] No.17664 del
>he district was designated as "no construction zone" 40 years ago.

Bernd 07/03/2018 (Tue) 16:07:59 [Preview] No.17687 del
The place is a sandbank at convergence of two rivers. In 1970 Taipei had a wide flood so the government decided they need it to be a flood buffer.

Today's news
One convict of a high profile random child-killing case is sentenced to life imprisonment by intermediate court. Death penalty again became a politicized issue. The opposition candidates suggest that's current government intends to abandon death penalty.

Bernd 07/03/2018 (Tue) 16:09:11 [Preview] No.17688 del
Bohyo naki sogen
Today I want to introduce this book called 沒有墓碑的草原 Meiyou Mubei De Caoyuan. It is a translation from Japanese original 墓標なき草原 Bohyo naki sogen. It has a recent English translation: Genocide on the Mongolian Steppe: First-Hand Accounts of Genocide in Southern Mongolia During the Chinese Cultural Revolution

It was written by Yang Haiying, a Mongolian who was born in PRC and later naturalized to Japan. I didn't read the book.
I only read its promo and introduction written by a Chinese guy. He admonished us Han Chinese should read what crimes we did to ethnic minorities.
The basic idea of the book sounds familiar in Taiwan: Mongolia collaborated with Japanese to get modernization but Chinese treated them as national traitors and gave them poverty, hate and killing. To Han people Cultural Revolution is indiscriminate but to Mongolians they felt targeted.

I read this book in a public library (full of exam preppers and homeless people) last year. The translation was published and promoted in 2014. It was the time when anti-Chinese sentiment was high so I ignored it. I guess I was being biased.

The book promo said it was published in Taiwan because it was no longer possible to publish it in hongkong. Which was known to everyone but again a surprise to me.
The book was translated by an Han man and his daughter. The man is remarkably 80 years old in Beijing. They said again that the book reminded them that Han people didn't know what Han people did to minorities.
The book is published by a company called "Gusa" which is known for publishing books about Koreans and Manchurian nationalist ideas.

Bernd 07/03/2018 (Tue) 16:31:37 [Preview] No.17689 del
A few days ago, after watching the Chinese drama about head hunting company I saw a talk show produced by Videoland channel. The show is quite poor and talks about ghost stories. The host just read us a story from Internet.

It says there is a nurse working in an abortion clinic. When she worked on an illegal abortion surgery (in this context it means the clinic didn't have written consent of the patient's spouse or guardians) she got blood spilled on her. Later a lump developed on her shoulder and it looked like a baby. She consulted a fortune teller who told her she is haunted by "fetus ghost" and needs to ask priest in temple to make offering to appease the ghost.
Fetus ghost is a common belief in Taiwan. Its implication is controversial.

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 00:14:45 [Preview] No.17705 del

Thanks for the book. There were periodic genocides during the Qing Dynasty too. The Manchu rulers allowed Han to migrate to Mongolia in the latter days of the empire. Eventually Han decided to stage a rebellion in 1891 and massacred tens of thousands of Mongolians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindandao_incident

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 13:15:18 [Preview] No.17712 del
Pineapple overproduction created discontent among farmers.

Today I watched Chinese drama and found they use many financial jargons and English terms I need to rely on subtitles, which simplified and explained the terms for us. I also learned a new word called Xiegang "slash". Slash youth means a man working multiple professions. We have translated this book in Taiwan but I only notice this term when it seems spoken in Chinese drama

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 13:34:27 [Preview] No.17713 del
I saw a young woman today. She was wearing office lady outfit so I didn't look at her. But when I saw the textbooks she was studying I found she wasn't actually a high school girl. If she was wearing a student uniform I would saw her as a totally different person. I guess it's important to abolish school uniform so I can realize that high school girls is just a stage in life

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 14:32:56 [Preview] No.17714 del
I am now watching a PTS program talking about Taiwanese kids going to China for colleges. There has been a steady growth of students going to China. But this year Chinese government made a policy favoring Taiwanese applicants. So they expect the number to double.
The program went to Xiamen university, a tier one school to interview Taiwanese applicant. One girl was from a tier one girl's high in Taipei and her high school term wasn't finished yet. She took a day of leave from school and took a flight to the school for interview. There are also many other Taiwanese Elisa on the campus. They said that inside their high school class rooms the class would discuss and share info about applying schools in USA, Hongkong, and China.

Now they are interviewing students already in Chinese schools. They say it's competitive. Some professional degrees are not admitted in Taiwan IE they cannot return to Taiwan. They also complained about cultural shocks (no hobby clubs allowed, which was a major thing to an interviewee). There is also a problem for Taiwanese graduates getting hired in Chinese firms, because Taiwanese workers are seen as semi foreigners and require extra paperwork

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 15:09:36 [Preview] No.17715 del
The last segment of the show is about Taiwanese now professors in Chinese schools. There are two kinds. One are those who can't find jobs here. One teaches political economy. He says the pay is about the same as in Taiwan but then tenure track is easier. But he has to watch out political sensitive topics. His main compliant is that while China begins to admit scholar publication in Taiwan during publication review, Taiwan still dismiss publication in China. This disqualifies him when he try to come back to Taiwan's for work

Another kind of Taiwanese are highly sought after top talents (worldwide ) they interviewed a biomatic guy who was recommended to China by a Nobel laureate. He said he liked the challenge of China

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 15:50:13 [Preview] No.17717 del
>She was wearing office lady outfit so I didn't look at her.
Is this just your behaviour or this is expected there?

>Taiwanese Elisa
This means high school girls?
>no hobby clubs allowed
Why? Do they think they are the nests of anti-government movements?

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 23:36:15 [Preview] No.17729 del
Its just my behavior.
Taiwanese Elisa is just a typo. I mean Taiwanese students.

Taiwanese kids placed strong emphasis on hobby societies. they say it's important connections and self-exploration . But I don't know why Chinese schools don't have it. I read a magazine article written by a Chinese student who came to Taiwan in 2012 (the good old time when our only worry was how to assimilate Chinese students who came to us) and he said too that Taiwanese students took hobby societies too serious.
Historically, from 70s-90s some political societies were important to the democratization movement in Taiwan. I have read one of their stuff in 2000s. It was quite political. Today what I heard about college societies is their doujin (hobbey) publication. But that's probably not why most people go to these societies.
Another controversial topic in Taiwan schools is religious societies. FLG societies are the most active and visible ones. Traditional Christian ones are also popular. I have read one article of a Traditional Buddhist society complaining that the campus is westernized and favors Christian societies. His is because parents worry that Buddhism societies on campus would lead a student to become a Buddhist monk (which in traditional Chinese view can be as low as a beggar)
Then since 90s to present day there are periodic news concerning Buddhist and Christian New religions "cults". At first it was about Korean missionary who are accused of brainwashing or kidnapping Taiwanese girls from campus to become his harem. Then there were rumors about Scientology societies. Most recently there is one master of Buddhist (he keeps his hair. Taiwanese folk religion?) getting attention, because he released video of how college kids wearing purple uniforms worshiped him.

Besides all that, there is a kind of society called "mountain service" which sends people to remote mountain villages to work as tutors or volunteers. They were once important to those villages. And probably important to aboriginal movement.

That's all I know about Taiwanese societies. I don't recall seeing fraternity like the ones in American movies.

Bernd 07/04/2018 (Wed) 23:39:38 [Preview] No.17730 del
The guy in purple uniforms.

I used to hear that in some jobs in service sector if you do really well in societies you can put that on your CV. But that she probably just promotional slogans from the societies

Bernd 07/08/2018 (Sun) 19:27:57 [Preview] No.17822 del
Here if you participate some kind of after school/hobbyist activity when you are a kid or teenager your peers will consider you a weirdo and will ostracize you for it. I don't think anything like that even exist. On universities there are some stuff but not like American fraternities tho you can make connections and found relations for the future. Not typical tho.
Nowadays NGOs are shunned - thanks Soros and Fidesz - and real independent civil organizations are almost nonexistent and very obscure. Which is sad and a true reflections on civil initiative. Or the lack of it.

Bernd 07/11/2018 (Wed) 15:44:52 [Preview] No.17858 del
I tried to read something about Chinese news but I lost track of where I began and got into a circle.
I also watched a NHK animation describing how they invented water wash toilet seat. They had to measure with a line and determined that most people's anus are on the same spot when they seat on the toilet seat (regardless of their height).

Today's news
1. KMT Ex-president is prosecuted for selling cheap party-owned broadcast companies. People believe that KMT's assets belongs to the state. But KMT has sold three major assets before they can be nationalized. all meetings during the sale are recorded and showed that President Ma orchestrated the sale as laundry.
2. Mayor Ko is invincible as ever. neither his handling of typhoon or his comment that sounds pro-unification affects him.
3. A rich kid streamed himself speeding a Lamborghini and crashing it. The crash killed two maintenance workers and his girlfriend. He showed remorse.
His father is a charismatic religious leader and sent him to study abroad.
4. A typhoon left Taiwan and hits China now. For every typhoon there are controversies over whether local government should call a day off. Mayor Ko made a right call not to call it off. KMT mayor called it off but the typhoon didn't cause any damage.

Bernd 07/11/2018 (Wed) 16:25:09 [Preview] No.17859 del
Interview Huang jin Shan of Min xiong used books store in KHS.
I saw a program interviewing a Mr Huang who runs a used book shop. He also uses his saving to fund a cram-school with 300 college students volunteering as tutors. He described the school as his tribute to the the neighborhood he grew up from.
He took pride in being a "self-made man" and in running major book fairs in Taipei.
Mr Huang argued for "flip education". He argued that "Only by earning good grades did I flip my poverty and succeed." He scolded and demanded kids regardless of their difficult background.
Huang firstly hired a star teacher from cram schools but found kids lost interest quickly because the student/teacher ratio is too high. Huang argued that these kids need adult company. So he gathered more volunteers.
He lectured his volunteers that these kids are desperate and you are their last chance. You must pump up their grades immediately or they would not become interested.
Huang also made a home visit and told a mom that trad jobs can be made obsolete by tech but with motivation of continued education the kid can always adapt to new jobs

Bernd 07/11/2018 (Wed) 16:50:41 [Preview] No.17860 del
>A rich kid...
Some people just more equal no matter where you are.

Bernd 07/12/2018 (Thu) 13:44:33 [Preview] No.17878 del
Today's news
1. Cabinet reshuffle. It seems to be a election year formation with emphasis on investigation on KMT assets
2. In a place known for its fruit orchard, it is discovered that a factory illegally receive toxic chemicals and bury them inside their compound. It is estimated that 10k tons of hexavalent chromium had been buried there.

Bernd 07/12/2018 (Thu) 13:51:56 [Preview] No.17879 del
3. Officers of a police station are accused of taking bribe to cover local prostitution related venues. Locals called the police "land god"

Bernd 07/13/2018 (Fri) 00:54:02 [Preview] No.17895 del
I was watching a program interviewing migrants in Taiwan. This time it is a pastor named Choi. It turned out he was once the music director of Yoido Full Gospel Church. "The biggest church in the world".

Bernd 07/14/2018 (Sat) 06:05:16 [Preview] No.17905 del
Today I watched a Taiwanese movie on TV It is Spring Swallow made in 1989 by CMPC, the state film studio. The story was similar to Eileen Chang (ZHANG Ailing)'s story: a young woman married to an middle aged man of a major clan. She had affair with another young man. The clan punished her. The woman almost died. But Republican revolution weakened the man and the clan. Years later the woman is rehabilitated, but she also became hypocritical and cynical like older women of the clan.

What amazes me is that, because they used local actors to present a mainland story, the Taiwanese accent of their mandarin is jarring.

In our generation, we have this idea that ours is the culturally diverse and Taiwanese-friendly, and that the old mainlander controlled media doesn't allow Taiwanese accent. But I guess the mandarin requirement wasn't as pure as I thought.
Not saying that Taiwanese wasn't discriminated. The actors with Taiwanese accent are marginalized side characters. Just saying that it wasn't as pure as I thought.

Bernd 07/14/2018 (Sat) 06:28:09 [Preview] No.17906 del
>People believe that KMT's assets belongs to the state.
>emphasis on investigation on KMT assets
Is there an ongoing investigation and/or pressure against KMT? From some of what you wrote - if I remember correctly - sounds they are kinda corrupt.

Where migrants in Taiwan come from? Do Europeans move there sometimes?

If the movie is Taiwanese than it's not surprising there are Taiwanese actors.

Bernd 07/14/2018 (Sat) 10:21:27 [Preview] No.17911 del
KMT, long story short, was very corrupted. According to the Ill Gotten Party Asset committee, when KMT came to Taiwan after 1949, they took over the public and private enterprises left by Japanese.
Then in the next 40-50 years, they built a party-state system that was similar to communist system. While the party claimed this was "necessities of development", the committee said they embezzled assets that was supposed to be that of national or local government.
The party is also accused of using the profit to run elections in democratic age and created pork barrel politics.
The assets also created a vague sense that mainlanders in general exploited islanders in general.

Migrants are mainly southeast Asians. There're 700k worker with working visa, and 500k (mostly women) who got residency via marriage. There are also 500k mainlanders who stayed via marriage. The general perception is they are poor and came from underdeveloped countries. They are considered lazy or hard working, and have mandarin and Taiwanese proficiency.
There are also Europeans or Americans. Less than 5k I guess.

Taiwan has two kinds of working visa. One is for blue collar workers but doesn't lead to residency. One is for high paying jobs. They can naturalize but the requirement is really high. This limits the number of Europeans.

The movie part is just a personal obcession of mine. I try to find examples of Mainlanders didn't exclude Taiwanese as impurity. That kind of examples dong mean nothing to most Taiwanese though, as they believe they are supposed to be the main character of the show.

Bernd 07/14/2018 (Sat) 10:39:38 [Preview] No.17912 del
Today DPP ran an ad campaign to explain that the pension cut to military ersonel, civil servants and teachers, is necessary. This coincides with a constitutional case filed by some of those people protesting the cut

There is another major issue about "dormitory" and housing problems of college students. The issue began as a legal issue regarding one particular dormitory . But the legal issue became a target in the coming election, and the debate expanded to all students and all universities in Taipei city.

Finally, there were floods in both japan and China.

Bernd 07/14/2018 (Sat) 15:15:46 [Preview] No.17914 del
Today I watched a tv-movie that was heavily promoted. It's a tv series, with each episode running 100 minutes, and was shot in format of a feature movie. Today's episode is about a son born in a major family. The father wanted his son to get good grades to look good in the extended family. The father pressurized the mother and the son. The prestigious school of the son also pressurized him. They developed mental illness for this. The mother, while pressurizing the son, petted a cat to cope with the pressure. The son became angry, and failed the test and tortured a cat. He got expelled and the father left him and the mother in the house. They lost the original track of life and felt desperate. The son saw the mother looking after the pregnant cat and became angry again. just as he was choking the mother, the cat gave birth to small cats. They saw the cat and children and reconciled. The son then learned a trade and worked for an electrician. The mother was ok with the divorce. The son also read bible and repented for the cat he tortured.

So this is the kind of issue and message the tv station is interested in.

Bernd 07/16/2018 (Mon) 13:40:23 [Preview] No.17951 del
Today I watched an episode of Chinese tv drama. It's a biographical story about the famous Chinese "warlord" Zhang Xueliang. He was famous in Taiwan for forcing ROC generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek to stop civil war against communist party and to start war with Japanese. He probably changed the Chinese history.
This tv series begins with a child actor playing Zhang's childhood and focused on his relationship with his father. It's well written and has great costumes and props

Bernd 07/16/2018 (Mon) 19:16:04 [Preview] No.17960 del
So Europeans who settle in Taiwan will be most likely in high positions in companies or very specialized professions.

>pension cut to military ersonel, civil servants and teachers, is necessary.
Taiwanese state spending needs trimming? How's the economy doing there?

>father pressurized the mother and the son
>prestigious school of the son also pressurized him.
>They developed mental illness for this.
I knew this dude in high school with excellent grades. His family made him to learn from private teachers after school and do other such activities. His hair greyed by he was 18.

That's sounds interesting for Bernd for sure. Too bad Slovenia doesn't visit us anymore.

Bernd 07/17/2018 (Tue) 07:23:34 [Preview] No.17966 del
>they built a party-state system that was similar to communist system

Another proof that society couldn't really change, but builds state in according to it's common spirit.

Bernd 07/19/2018 (Thu) 13:39:24 [Preview] No.17989 del
Today's episode is about Japanese attempted to assasinate Zhang's father Zhang Zuolin but they failed. Therefore Zhang and Japanese pretended it never happened and collaborated. The Japanese expected to make a Manchurian puppet state, and Zhang expected to stay independent between japan and Russia.
The father is an excellent actor. The Japanese guy is also good. The acting, writing, props, cars and guns are all excellent.

Then I changed channel and glimpsed a taiwanese contest show. The game is to compete with contestants' knowledge on Chinese characters.
The problem of the show is that it's a mouthpiece of Taiwanese government. They tirelessly tell you that the "traditional" Chinese characters used by Taiwan are the "correct" ones.
And today's division of contestants are mainlander students in Taiwan. And the host tirelessly asked each of them "What's is your favorite "correct" Traditional Chinese character?" Howcome they never ask any Taiwanese contestant this question. They just want to dominate these mainlander students on TV and show that's we have brainwashed them.

Bernd 07/20/2018 (Fri) 13:38:36 [Preview] No.18009 del
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Bernd 07/20/2018 (Fri) 13:42:40 [Preview] No.18010 del
Today I am watching this family interview show
Today's interviewees are a poor rural family. The son works a special but low-paying job: the soul leading dance.

Since PTS wanted to promote this show internationally they put it online and added English subtitles

Bernd 07/20/2018 (Fri) 18:41:32 [Preview] No.18017 del
Dude said about making instruments and their price/worth:
>Taiwanese people have the habit of wanting cheap things.
>The cheaper the better.
>They don't care whether it's good or bad quality.
>If the price reflected the amount of work I put into it no one would buy it.
This the same fucking thing over here. Noone can imagine that for creating some things how much knowledge and work have to be behind it. Appropriate choices, experience. They just want things cheaply done no matter if it's crap or not. They are so fucking superficial. Of course if they pay low for something and they get crap they are annoyed and angry. And it's even worse if one let them a say how the thing should be done, if one let them choose some things they fuck up and choose the most tasteless and/or cheap options.

Bernd 07/20/2018 (Fri) 20:16:02 [Preview] No.18022 del
It's the same everywhere in the world. People are always willing to sacrifice quality for price and/or convenience.

Bernd 07/23/2018 (Mon) 14:01:29 [Preview] No.18037 del
thank you
I guess I also have to thank this board for staying online. Having it is nice.

Bernd 07/23/2018 (Mon) 14:27:18 [Preview] No.18039 del
Today I am going to introduce a modern Chinese poem written by Taiwanese. I am not literature major or anything. Nor am I trained to translate anything. But I think this is a simple one.
"Landscape No. 2" by Lin Hengtai 林亨泰
There is windbreaker forest, beyond that
There is windbreaker forest, beyond that
There is windbreaker forest, beyond that
But sea and rows of waves
But sea and rows of waves

The poem was published in 1950s, a few years after the end of Japanese rule and the beginning of Chinese rule. Lin and most Taiwanese writers were trained in Japanese, so writing in Chinese was difficult for them, and this could be why this poem is so simple. The poem has no special implication except that it's a milestone of Taiwanese literature.

Then 60 years later, Ng Kim Chew, a Chinese Malaysian writer (ethnically Chinese. Born in Malaysia. Teaching "Chinese literature" in Taiwan since college) wrote a parody of this poem:
There is oil palm plantation, beyond that
There is oil palm plantation, beyond that
There is oil palm plantation, beyond that
But sea and rows of waves
But sea and rows of waves

I think this parody is interesting because Ng also implied that it's written by a farmhand who never left plantation in his life.

Bernd 07/23/2018 (Mon) 15:22:54 [Preview] No.18040 del
All the negative news about China make me quite nervous. Its so negative it's everywhere now.
I notice that the pro-independence sentiments I feel is anxiety and fear for survival.
I can find an example in an online comment on a historical event from content farm. Let me give you a short and partial translation.
"Do Taiwanese really know what ROC national day is celebrating? After 1911 revolution that founded ROC, anyone who spoke with standard mandarin accent was arrested and killed. It is a genocide against Manchurians. But KMT buries this event and brainwashed Taiwanese people to celebrate this event that had nothing to do with Taiwanese people because in 1911 Taiwan was under Japanese rule
"Now that Taiwanese celebrate it, do you want to hold 'Truth and Reconciliation' with Manchurians? And pay them compensation?
"You are going to say: it's not my business. Right! It's not our business!
"It's ok to treat China as a neighbor and expect it to adopt democracy. But we must not claim their state title and involve ourselves in their feuds.
"Chinese people have such a long political responsibility of mass killing. Can you handle it?"

Such is the kind of emotion and message floating around in Taiwan

Bernd 07/24/2018 (Tue) 09:47:10 [Preview] No.18055 del

the father of the house said he grew up picking foods offered to the graves in front of the family house. From this he mentioned that the family had always been poor and he had to do all sorts of foraging to make a little money. From this he mentioned that when he grew up he left the town to make money by "disreputable means" (a new English word I learn).
That's the part I remembered the most. I have little impression on how he worked in factory and on farm to raise his family later.

Bernd 07/27/2018 (Fri) 12:33:11 [Preview] No.18114 del
I read two short fictional stories. One was written by a Shanghai writer, the other by a Chinese Malaysian. They are both about the bleak and morally ambivalent life of taking care of bed ridden loved ones. There is an old Chinese saying: there is no filial son if the parent falls ill for a long time. Both story emphasized the smell of feces and disinfection, and the boring waiting, and observation of other patients and caretakers. Both story implied that the son intentionally caused the sick parent to die earlier to save money.

Bernd 07/27/2018 (Fri) 13:01:28 [Preview] No.18115 del
I also watched Stalingrad (2013). Good movie. A group of red army took an apartment from the german army. They also conflicted with the local people who stayed under german army. It had a voice over explaining everything.

Bernd 07/27/2018 (Fri) 15:30:29 [Preview] No.18117 del
Demonization of China is getting stronger? What's the purpose? Does Taiwan prepares her citizen for war? How are the relations with the US standing?

That was interesting for me as well. We have different cemetery-culture, so to speak.

We have similar stories from the 19th century but the approach is different. In those stories the elderly members of a poor family who can't contribute to their family's sustainment anymore choose to end their own life in some way. I think the setting is usually in winter. One example from the literature the old man goes into the "Smelly" which means a cave with the smell of rotten eggs from the sulfuric fumes.

Btw Stalin. I really really recommend watching the movie: The Death of Stalin. Great fun.

Bernd 07/27/2018 (Fri) 23:59:56 [Preview] No.18120 del
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Most diplomatic or political situation didn't change. It's just that komica likes to demonize Chinese people.
The story I translated is just an old content farm article.
They are more anxious, because there is news about chinese people having vaccination problem and some chinese people talked about coming to Taiwan and Hong Kong to get good vaccine.

There is an international well known Japanese movie about abandoning old people, called Ballad of Narayama. It's about modern hospitals though.
The title of that movie often comes up in Taiwan.

I also saw a Taiwanese program about dust explosion victims. The program is about burn victims getting a long and painful rehabilitation. The victims are young.

Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 23:36:00 [Preview] No.18133 del
Today's useless news
1. Mayor Ko is invincible in his re-election
2. A prosecutor is reprimanded for visiting his daughter's school with two policemen and questioned the teacher if his daughter was bullied. The confrontation was filmed and uploaded.
3. Offshore island Kinmen will get tap water from mainland.
Outside "Taiwan proper", there is a small island named Kinmen. It is only 15km away from the mainland. ROC and PRC once fought a battle over the island in 1958. Since then Kinmen had been ran like a military base until 90s.
On the other side of the strait, the city of Xiamen has became a Tier 2 Major City.
As the Chinese military grew, Taiwanese plan of defense had shrunk to Taiwan proper, and Kinmen is no longer required to keep distance from China. So last these few years they have set up a undersea pipe that drew fresh water from mainland to the island.
Unfortunately, just as they were going to hold a celebration ceremony for the pope, another round of China-Taiwan diplomatic dispute started. So Kinmen county government was asked to postpone the ceremony by central government. The county refused.

Bernd 07/29/2018 (Sun) 09:20:18 [Preview] No.18138 del
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Bernd 07/29/2018 (Sun) 09:48:51 [Preview] No.18140 del
Today I watched a program about sputnik the worlds first sattelite.
I can't understand the technological part so I ignored all of that. All I remember from the program is what I learned from high school: it was the first satellite. I guess I have stopped learning new things. I can only be reminded what I already knew.

Bernd 07/29/2018 (Sun) 10:24:44 [Preview] No.18141 del
When you read/watch news what kind of news source do you use?

Bernd 07/30/2018 (Mon) 05:25:28 [Preview] No.18151 del
Cable television news. Sometimes PTS evening news

Bernd 07/30/2018 (Mon) 17:09:14 [Preview] No.18154 del
Do these have a certain political bias?

Bernd 07/31/2018 (Tue) 08:46:31 [Preview] No.18166 del
Sure. FTV and SET tv and PTS are pro independence. For example they call China "China " instead of mainland. However even pro unification channel TVBS these days also call China China now.
PTS is more elitist. It shows only "serious" news: not sensational matters that concern the public. but they also show positive ads from government
For the sensational murder and human tragedy news I rely on TVBS and FTV

But I get the most news from Komica discussion. They guide me in many cases.

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 13:01:22 [Preview] No.18199 del
Today I saw a Taiwan drama about servicewomen in military. Their hair are short. Today's episode is about a servicewoman and her daughter. her daughter's custody is given to her ex-husband and his current wife. But the stepmother lost the daughter and got her kidnapped by a pervert. The servicewoman and her female superior went out of base to rescue the girl.
While the Chinese drama progressed to the part when the Chinese warlord was sent to pacify horse bandits

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 15:48:39 [Preview] No.18200 del
And on Komica the anti-Chinese sentiment is stronger.
How about bias in the internal politics? Parties or ideologies.

Bernd 08/01/2018 (Wed) 15:51:24 [Preview] No.18201 del
I think the end of your post got lost.
Nevertheless it really sounds like the soaps Hungarian tv channels buy.

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 03:31:41 [Preview] No.18277 del
I am quite ignorant about domestic politics. There is a very rough and unsupported theory, saying that in Taiwan the China factor divides the basic political camps. There are no Left or Right, Labor or Progressive or Conservative in general. The independence or reunification issue is the basic divide. Which is a nationalism issue I guess.

On ethnic issue, the population can be divided into 5 or 4 groups. The majority are Han Chinese people. The so-called "Chinese Chinese". they can be subdivided into 3 groups by languages: Hoklo, Hakka, and Mandarin. The first two are called natives. They came to Taiwan during Qing dynasty between 17-19c. The mandarin speakers are war refugees brought by KMT in 1949.
It's believed that mainlanders took jobs in civil servants, military and teachers sectors, and enjoyed the benefits given by KMT, so they support KMT. The Min-nan speaking people controlled other sectors and felt oppressed by KMT. They funded DPP to struggle with KMT. Their struggle was the major news for 30 years and it is believed that KMT is lost now.
It is believed that KMT tried to ally Hakka and aboriginal people against Min people.

There are about 600k aboriginal people. They used to speak many languages related to Malay and Polynesian languages, and were not considered Han people. Today they are quite assimilated and integrated by Han people. But they still have poverty and health issues and live in bad locations.

Then there are about 500k "new immigrants" who came since 90s. 2/3 of them were PRC Chinese. 1/3 are Southeast Asians. Mostly are women who got citizenship by marriage. Then there are 500k Southeast Asian workers with visa only. I am not sure if this group should be further divided.

The unification issue affects the economic policy. KMT argues for closer economic ties with mainland: integrate the industrial system with China, technology transfer, open house for investment, supply products and produce to Chinese market, open door for talents to work on both sides.
DPP cautions against reliance on China: Secure technology and talents from them. Limit their investment on us. Set Southeast Asian countries as our partners instead of China.

We do have labor unions (old ones and new ones). But not labor parties. Both camps appeal to both the management and the labor votes.

There are also different opinions on welfare issue. The Pension Crisis and Health Insurance Crisis have been issues for years. But...I didn't remember them everyday.
Basically the KMT party is responsible for the pension for civil servants, military, and teachers in the past, and DPP attacks it.
I also heard that DPP were responsible for he pensions policy for other sectors, but I don't know if people like it or not.

On environmental issue, it's generally believed that KMT is more developmentalism and DPP is more environmental. I didn't pay much attention to that. KMT favors big industrial project (petrochemical and nuclear etc) and DPP opposes them.

In general they say that KMT is more conservative and DPP more progressive: gay marriage, sex education etc. but the main problem is that Taiwanese people strongly support death penalty but DPP opposes it.

That's about all I can say about it. They are all cliches spoken 100 times now but sometimes I speak them again for vanity.

Bernd 08/05/2018 (Sun) 03:55:29 [Preview] No.18278 del
The problem with this is that the mainlanders (49ers minus new immigrants) are in second to third generation now and survey shows they favor independence too. Another problem is KMT is basically dissolved now.
So the whole Blue vs Green, China vs independence divide is probably inaccurate.

Oh and there is one more major dimension in politics. The local politics .
Firstly, since 90s when Min people gradually took over power, they changed the government structure to cut power of central and give it to local governments. They also outsourced and contracted works to private business, and allow private business to build and operate major constructions.
So sometimes a major national project can be blocked by local governments now. This is related to environmental issue.

The west coast of Taiwan is more developed. Inside of which the north is more developed than the south. The north has more cities, hospitals and schools. But land and food price are also higher. The south has more farming and heavy industry (now declining). They said people used to migrate to north for jobs. Don't know how it works now.
I don't know about other regions. They say the east coast is underdeveloped and losing young people.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 14:49:51 [Preview] No.18309 del
Today's news
1. TSMC, Taiwan's most famous company suspended its computer chip production because they got hit by computer virus. Their stock price dented a little.
2. The Kinmen tap water ceremony went ahead under the cross strait animosity.
3. A NEET man killed his mother.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 14:59:27 [Preview] No.18310 del
>TSMC, Taiwan's most famous company suspended its computer chip production because they got hit by computer virus.

This is interesting. What systems were affected? If they had to stop production then I suppose it wasn't a trivial infection. TSMC fabs the chips for globally massive hardware companies, it can be very valuable to extract/implant secrets from/into chips consumed worldwide.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 16:44:25 [Preview] No.18320 del
>3. A NEET man killed his mother.
I heard this is a common problem in Asia, is it true? From what I heard, the culture of children being forced to look after their older parents often leads to those situations.

Bernd 08/06/2018 (Mon) 23:09:25 [Preview] No.18335 del
Calling the guy NEET is a mistake by me. He is 41 years old. He used to work in decoration under his father. He became unemployed 4 years ago and became secluded. He stayed in his room all day, playing game on his smartphone and only came out at midnight for dinner. The family wanted him out but the mother let him stay
He seemed to have killed his mother with a hammer because she scolded him.

I am not sure if it's a serious problem, since the reports of it died down now

Bernd 08/07/2018 (Tue) 06:00:27 [Preview] No.18338 del
Well he didn't study or work so technically he's a NEET.
I will reply to this >>18277 sometimes. I appreciate you wrote all that.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 01:05:17 [Preview] No.18355 del
The NEET label was designed to address youth unemployment. His problem is middle age unemployment.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 01:33:30 [Preview] No.18356 del
Today's useless news
1. 3 people died in an apartment unit. It's a big family of 3 generations.
2. One Filipino labor is caught pushing drugs to his coworkers.
3. Vivian Song incident. Basically another Tzu-Yu incident. Taiwanese actress act in Chinese movie and her promotion attracted nationality controversy.

4. Chinese Youth Corps is declared as "KMT affiliated" so its 5.6b assets are now half-frozen. CYC was originally an organization modeled after Communist Youth League, but later when economy boom and democratization happened, it became a commercial business. It owns many old hostels in tourism spots, and holds summer camps in them. It also owns offices in town centers and holds programs for seniors.
5. unionist party ("China unification promotion party") is investigated and searched by prosecutor. They suspect the party is sponsored by Chinese government. The chairman said he identifies with China but didn't take money from CPC. the chairman was a mainlander gangster and did assassination jobs for KMT. The party is a fringe in Taiwan I guess.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 02:23:27 [Preview] No.18357 del
The college exam placement results are published. According to Mr Liu, boss of a "church themed" cram-school analyzed the results for us:

The competition this year is tight as both Admission and absence rates are low.
In category 2 ("gong", crafts and construction in ancient time, engineering nowadays) 8 of the top 10 selections of school departments (faculties) are electronics and IT based. This is usual. The new development is how the EE-CS departments of NTHU and NCTU surpassed EE NTU and CH E NTU. This shows students now place the department ranking before school ranking.

In category 1 ("social science and humanities", also called "wen", which meant "literati" I guess) the laws and business departments were favored as usual. The news is that Info-Management and Finance of NCTU got into top ten selections. This shows the people expect financial business to become more IT related.

The category 3 (medicine) is competitive as usual.

The category 4 (farming and bio-tech) isn't discussed.
This impressive picture is the ad banner piped up when I read this needs. It's ran by Rulin, a cram school. It boasted "29 of its students are admitted to Med NTU", it has a quiet school building in the prime location in Taipei (good for long commuting) and "the class for graduates to prepare to retake the next year's exam is open now"

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 03:07:23 [Preview] No.18358 del
Finally...it's that month of the year again. The August. They are going to remind us about Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Surrender Day.
Just today the Father's Day (August eight sounds like Papa) I see a weird Taiwanese ad calling on people to respect the fathers. The strange thing is the ad calls them " generation who endured postwar hardship"
The term postwar was once considered to be pro-Japanese and pro-independence. The ad is ran by an organization called Land of Taiwan. Sure.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 05:50:19 [Preview] No.18360 del
What I don't understand is why would KMT support unification with China? The same political group - the commies - still is in power there they were fled from.
I think KMT brought changes to Taiwan which benefited of it but times are changing again and opposition is eternal so I would guess with the fall of KMT a new political entity will take it's place to oppose DPP, which doesn't bear the labels (e.g corrupt) of KMT.

Bernd 08/08/2018 (Wed) 09:49:46 [Preview] No.18362 del
You asked several complicated questions. Each has many controversial answers.
>why would KMT support unification with China
The recent KMT-CPC collaboration began in 2000s
In terms of ideals, KMT is a Chinese Nationalist Party so it supports Chinese nationalism. In the past it also has collaborated with CPC twice for emergency

In terms of economic opportunities, which is also the base of KMT's political platform, the rise of China is a great chance for all Chinese.

In terms of votes calculation, which is DPP's criticism of KMT, KMT has sold out its anti-communist ideals, and sold Taiwan to China for its personal benefits.

As of what would happen after KMT dissolves, there are also three answers
One argues that there will still be people who identify with China for cultural or economic reasons. They might start a CPC affiliated party.
Another one argues that KMT doesn't represent an ideal for China, but represent Taiwan's "corrupted" interest. They can either stay with KMT, or switch into DPP or become independent.
The third one argues that DPP will be corrupted and an even more nationalistic and progressive party will rise.

Bernd 08/09/2018 (Thu) 15:10:51 [Preview] No.18374 del
Today I watched a documentary. They interviewed a pregnant wife. After childbirth they cooked the placenta and cord as a dish and ate it.

Bernd 08/09/2018 (Thu) 16:55:43 [Preview] No.18375 del
I seen that somwhere here too, women are strange.

Bernd 08/09/2018 (Thu) 17:12:09 [Preview] No.18377 del
Animals sometimes do the sames.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 14:13:28 [Preview] No.18395 del
Today we I watched a program about nearsightedness. It said "northeast Asia " is the epic center of "myopia boom"
I thought that's something everybody knows. But the program said only Taiwan noticed the problem long before WHO

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 14:55:12 [Preview] No.18397 del
>epic center
ebin centre

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 15:18:09 [Preview] No.18398 del
So it's epicenter

One thing I agree with the program is the sleeping schedule. When I worked all night long I felt my nearsightedness worsened.

I also saw a movie on Videoland channel: South Korean movie Battleship Island. I wasn't interested in the movie because they all looked poor and angry. But I guess I saw the scene when they held meeting with candles and it looked good.
The movie is about hundreds of Korean coal miners under a Japanese company complained about abuses and decided to hijack a ship to escape.
Korean dialogue was dubbed with mandarin. The Japanese dialogue and by Koreans songs were kept. It feels weird hearing the Taiwanese voice actors talking about Korean historical events.

Bernd 08/10/2018 (Fri) 17:06:19 [Preview] No.18403 del
I see. Thanks.

I mostly try watching movies in original language - usually if I have the option, I don't watch TV so mostly it depends on the release itself - with subs (except English ofc).

Bernd 08/13/2018 (Mon) 10:17:15 [Preview] No.18453 del
Last week's news.
1. The central government started the childcare facilities and nannies subsidy program. It caused much complaints. Many nannies complained about the license regulations. Many facilities also opted not to join the programs, because the fee charges and teachers to children ratio required by regulations are unsustainable. These facilities are expensive.
2. Fire broke out in the hospice ward in a hospital. 9 died and 11 are critical.

Bernd 08/14/2018 (Tue) 23:02:14 [Preview] No.18486 del
It's that day again. August 15. The end of war day or the surrender day. I think in the past we used to celebrate victory over japan day. But I don't have that memory now.

Bernd 08/15/2018 (Wed) 05:34:25 [Preview] No.18489 del
Isn't that in October?

Bernd 08/16/2018 (Thu) 02:29:23 [Preview] No.18507 del
NHK is showing documentary about life of japansss during the war in last few weeks . But I don't understand Japanese.

I also saw a 1995 Hongkong movie about Chinese police working with Russian policewoman to arrest train robbers on a train traveling between China and Russia.

Bernd 08/16/2018 (Thu) 16:08:55 [Preview] No.18525 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mQkHiicONxk [Embed]

Today I see this picture. It is Master Shengyan, a Chinese monk, telling people "In contrast, in last 100 years Japan has been studying Buddhism with western modern methods and ideas"

Bernd 08/16/2018 (Thu) 20:46:41 [Preview] No.18526 del
>studying Buddhism with western modern methods and ideas
What does that mean?

Bernd 08/16/2018 (Thu) 22:56:13 [Preview] No.18529 del
>word "beer" on second image


Never seen that movie tbh, although it looks popular.

Bernd 08/17/2018 (Fri) 14:57:38 [Preview] No.18535 del
Next week we will have Zhongyuan day offering. Supposedly every household and firm (shop and factory) will set up a table, then put incense, banner, and foods on it. At noon they will worship gods of heaven first, then land god, then house (stove) god, then ancestors of the family , and finally unspecified ghosts.

Supposedly this is part of a system of Chinese tradition. Each generation of sons is expected to make offering to ancestors so that the family line can live on. It is also supposed to unite the village. Finally it's supposed to appease unspecified evil spirits to keep people safe.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9VDLvagp0AY [Embed]
After the worship, the food offerings will become the family's foods. It seems people began to buy packed snacks and instant noodles they want (easy to store) from marketplace. And the food companies and marts would make ads targeting these customers. In a sense the holiday is commercialized.

Bernd 08/17/2018 (Fri) 15:37:37 [Preview] No.18536 del
There is no need to see it. It's just an old action movie. I didn't finish it either.
The funny thing is the "in contrast" part.

So Buddhism in Asia is a long story. The short story is "in contrast to Chinese people, Japanese studied Buddhism with modern research"

Back in early 20th century, Chinese Buddhism can be divided into two parts. The popular part had integrated with Chinese popular religion and life rituals. The Zhongyuan offering mentioned above, is integrated with Buddhism in its every aspect.
On the other hand there is monastery. I don't know how it works. But at that time, becoming a Buddhist monk wasn't very respectable. The monks were poor and "uneducated". Some of them only became monks because they were orphans. They are also criticized for "living off people's funeral rites and superstitions".

I guess what the criticism meant to say, was that Buddhists aren't "productive" as Christian missionary. After all, when monks were preaching about hungry ghosts on Zhongyuan day, the missionaries came to China to set up modern universities. When monks were conducting funeral rites, Christians set up western hospitals.

Therefore from late 19th century onward to today, there had been criticism demanding Chinese Buddhism to be reformed and modernized.

Bernd 08/17/2018 (Fri) 16:20:34 [Preview] No.18537 del
You might hear about an rich order called Tzu Chi organization. That is the product of this reform called "Humanistic Buddhism". They all traced their teaching to Humanistic Buddhism of Taishu and Yingshun. (They were two scholar-type monks, not charismatic type. )
The famous achievement of Yingshun, was that he was the first monk to earn PHD from a modern university in 1970s. It was a PHD in Japan.

I don't know much about ideas or history. I can only tell you about the ethnic and nationalistic aspect of the story: since late 19th century, the japan factor had always been controversial in Chinese Buddhism. But it became more so after 1949, and much more so in today's climate.

Long story short: on one hand, Japan commanded modern Buddhist research. Chinese Buddhists could learn a lot from it. On the other, it invaded China, so Chinese Buddhist must resist it. The problem became more complicated after 1949, when Chinese Buddhists must live with Taiwanese people who were educated by Japanese. The authority did some works to erase Japanese influence, and caused some grievance to say at least.

In today's political alignment it's less complicated. Taiwan wants independence. It wants to distance china and align with japan. So in theory, Taiwanese now should have less ambivalence when embracing Japanese Buddhism and criticizing Chinese Buddhism.

The gif picture I posted, I got it from a Komica post which condemned China as totally anti-Buddhism and praised Japan as the best Buddhism. It's a radical and fringe opinion of a wider Taiwanese independence idea. No one replied to him.

Bernd 08/17/2018 (Fri) 17:01:58 [Preview] No.18538 del
There is an academic part of the story.
Again long story short, both Japanese and Chinese Buddhists were impacted by westerners. In the big picture, they wanted to modernize and reform Buddhism, to become more engaged with the society and the world. In smaller aspect, they were influenced by the modern linguistics and archaeology studies brought by westerners.
I don't know the details. But some Japanese firstly got the idea, that the Japanese and Chinese Buddhism in 19th century had been wrong and corrupted for a long time. On one hand it was too superstitious (it worked with ghosts on Zhongyuan day for example), on the other it was too ascetic and "out of this world".
These smart Japanese believed that Buddhism was corrupted when it came to China, so it was necessary to "dig up" the "original Buddhism". So instead of studying ancient Chinese text, they followed British professors to study Sanskrit, Pali, Tibetan and other ancient languages, and they began to study Theravada (?) text from Sri Lanka, Thailand etc. their works were compared to Christian reformation.

then these smart Japanese said that the original Buddhism taught by Buddha, was "the most compatible with modern science". It opposes magics, sorcery, and even reincarnation. It supports progress, enlightenment, equality, democracy and other modern political ideals. The Chinese Buddhism we got later, got everything wrong

So that is the kind of message Chinese monks traveled to japan to learn
In today's Taiwan, this message works well with Taiwanese nationalism: China is bad and backward. Japan is the true answer.

That's all I have to say now. It's a summary. Over emphasized nationalism.

Bernd 08/19/2018 (Sun) 16:26:55 [Preview] No.18577 del
Yo, chink (mainland) diaspora here, do you guys really hate our guts? Would be a pitty.
Also, what is the perception of the chinese provinces for the taiwanese or are they all basically backward blackwaters?
Also what do you think of the Wu lang group (it encompases the languages of the yangtze delta, for example shanghainese, suzhounese, wenzhounese)

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 13:51:25 [Preview] No.18596 del
I try not to hate mainlanders but I come from an acidic board which runs negative news on mainlanders 24/7. I guess I am influenced. All those negative reports...I think it's a pity too.

I cannot tell you how general Taiwanese population think about China. I don't know many in real life. I can tell you some websites are extreme. For example my homeboard keeps complaining that general Taiwanese don't hate mainlanders enough.

One fact is that there are now 1 or 2 million Taiwanese working in China. So we know that not all provinces are "backward". Most reports I read are from tier 1 cities though. This has to do with job opportunities. Other than that I don't know much details about China. I only know buzzwords. Alipay is convenient. Shenzhen makes cheap electronics. The next plant is in Zhengzhou etc.

I don't know Wu languages. I don't hear Taiwanese talk about it. They mostly talk about Cantonese (or I selectively listen to those talks).
I once heard one anime voice actress using mandarin with Shanghai accent to dub this cartoon:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xDiiOvac3g8 [Embed]
Another thing I remember about the language family, is that Chiang Kai-shek had that accent. But he was never popular in Taiwan.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 13:55:24 [Preview] No.18598 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xDiiOvac3g8 [Embed]

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 14:55:41 [Preview] No.18600 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eRaGP0X9TNM [Embed]
So I actually watched this video. It was a televised lecture recorded in 1994. 6min long. The topic is: "in which country is the Buddhism flourishing the most ?"
Master Shengyan's argument is that is Taiwan.
He briefly listed the high percentage of Buddhist in population in Sri Lanka and Thailand, but commented that they don't have more advanced thoughts.
He then said that China ("We China" as he was born in Zhejiang and identified with China ) once had 8 schools of influential thoughts, but Buddhism in China has declined, especially so after cultural revolution destroyed it all. In recent years the ban is lifted in China, but, the master argued, communist party can never allow a real flourishing religion, so what they have now is "a Buddhism of tourism, like a park or museum".

Master then talked about Japan. You can tell he is more detailed about this because that's where he got a diploma from. "In contrast to the declining Chinese Buddhism, Japan has been studying Buddhism with western methods and ideas. They have 1000 PHD thesis on Buddhism. This is unprecedented in the whole world." But master then noted that their temples are still "conservative". The orders support themselves by performing funerary rites for an unchanging demography of Buddhists.

In contrast, Taiwan is developing research talents in thoughts, and the orders are active in many new business. So Taiwan has the most flourishing Buddhism.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 15:47:45 [Preview] No.18601 del
Nowadays I can't find good instant noodles, everything is Maggi or some Polish stuff (this one tastes somewhat better but not by far and it's only 60 g). Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but the places I suspect I could get one are outside my usual routes and I'm too lazy to go just fort these.

>Buddhism in Asia is a long story
2500 years? Long story is an understatement.
>In today's political alignment it's less complicated. Taiwan wants independence. It wants to distance china and align with japan
History is funny sometimes. What was rejectable yesterday it can be desirable today.

I see. Thanks. I guess the Chinese Buddhism is the product of their own era, and I see this new Japanese view as a product of their own time and age. Everyone is bound to view things influenced by the circumstances surrounds him/her.

>They have 1000 PHD thesis on Buddhism
>Taiwan is developing research talents in thoughts, and the orders are active in many new business
Science and Buddhism. Interesting.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 19:30:54 [Preview] No.18605 del
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>everything is Maggi or some Polish stuff (this one tastes somewhat better but not by far and it's only 60 g).

Russian instant noodles market occupied by local producers and Worst Korean meme brand Doshirak.

Although it is food for students and hobos, I don't know who in sane mind would eat that instant thing.

Are real "native" religions like Taoism or Confucianism popular in Taiwan or mainland? (yes, they aren't religions in original term but whatever)

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 19:41:06 [Preview] No.18606 del
There's a German-Japanese brand (Nissin Foods), it's called Smack which tastes fine and some Vietnamese I can't recall the name. I make two types of dishes out of the German.
1. Spicy chicken flavor: I add two eggs and milk. The milk makes the sauce under it creamy especially if I keep the water short.
2. Spicy beef flavor: chop chicken breast into small cubes, slice onion into thick slices, fry the pink out of the meat and a little more, add the onion and fry until it's soft, add the flavor packet, add Worcester sauce, add water, cook it till meat is done, add noodles
To the Vietnamese I just add an egg.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 19:50:01 [Preview] No.18608 del
Why bother buying instant noodles if you're gonna add your own ingredients anyway? might as well make your own stir fry at that point since it's such a big improvement.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 19:54:27 [Preview] No.18610 del
I liek the taste of that flavor packet with those ingredients and I can't mix it myself, if you're talking about the beef.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 20:10:49 [Preview] No.18611 del
I thought normally those packets just have simple ingredients like soy sauce or sesame oil. Then again I haven't eaten instant noodles for a breddy long time.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 20:47:47 [Preview] No.18614 del
This particular brand has one packet with some spice mix what looks like colorful salt. Which probably is, just salt with added artificial flavoring and coloring.
The Vietnamese tho has three packets, a spice mix, veggie mix (some green stuff and maybe ginger) and sesame(?) oil (I think it's hot as well).

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 21:12:49 [Preview] No.18615 del
That feel when I stopped eating Ramen because it increases mortality rate.

Bernd 08/20/2018 (Mon) 21:34:11 [Preview] No.18617 del
Interesting perspective mate, and yeah, I understand why people hate mainlanders, heck I'd prolly hate them too if I wasn't one.
And yeah, we've got quite alot of ultra-nationalists on our side too even the diaspora chinks are nationalistic af, it's ridiculous.
For me as long as my home 青田 is fine I don't give a shit what americans, japanese etc. say about china. I do not believe in a chinese nation, I believe that every chinese province has it's own culture and language and thus cannot simply be summed up as only "china". That's why I'm ok if taiwan gets independence, because they get to have their own identity. However that is highly unrealistic since declaring independence would only endanger taiwan's sovereign rule.

Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 00:14:56 [Preview] No.18618 del
After you asked me about Wu language, I notice that master Xingyun is from Jiangsu. He heads a big rich Buddhist order in Taiwan and set up many properties and facilities (colleges and university, tv station etc). He was also once very influential to politicians.

He identified with his hometown strongly. He organized many exchange with Chinese Buddhists and religious officials, especially those from his hometown. This attracted many criticism from pro independence people. He also organized many cultural exchange and exhibits featuring his hometown.

Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 01:31:29 [Preview] No.18621 del
I don't know about china but in Taiwan They are...less flourishing than Buddhism.

As a religion, Taoism is doing alright. The Taoist priests are needed for many calendar rituals of temples and funerary rituals. The young successors are trained so there are no succession problems. Fengshui (geomancy) is very popular but it does not require priests. But some complained that they are marginalized in modern society. They don't have huge business or media coverage.
They do have organizations, and they once supported Taoists in China to restore some buildings. I don't know how that works now.

In Taiwan most priests are "jushi", meaning they get married and stay in their family. I don't know the details but there are two schools. One is hereditary the other is passed down to disciples. They have complicated dances and lyrics to perform. Some would say it's entertaining. One notable phenomenon is there was once a series of Hongkong action movies featuring Taoist priests but that series has ended in 90s.

Confucianism as a religion is probably a museum showcase now. The government kept up the good old tradition of state official worship of Confucius, and maintained his temples in each town, and we have our Master Kong's Offspring here. but that's about it. Koreans do it more seriously I heard.

In schools, excerpts of Confucian classics are still mandatory. Taoist classics Dao De Jing and Zhuangzi were taught less.

There are some other miscellaneous stuff lumped into traditional lifestyle: Han dress, "Life Support" (yangsheng) diet and exercise routines, Tai Chi as a martial art, geomancy as architecture and interior designs. They are quite popular everywhere in the world, though people probably don't see them as indicator of religions.

Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 02:07:31 [Preview] No.18622 del
I have seen this strange Malaysian movie on tv. OLA BOLA. I think it features Chinese Malaysian players, but the theme of it is unity across ethnicities.

The funny thing is, last time I saw it in original dubbing, this time I saw it in local dubbing made by Taiwanese studio. The original dialogue emphasized the ethnic diversity of Malaysia. They casted English, Tamils, Malay and Chinese actors, each spoke their lines in their native tongue.

The dub made in Taiwan replaced English, Tamil and Malay lines with accented mandarin, but the funny thing is they reproduced the two dialects from different Chinese ethnicities: Hakka, and they used Ming-Nan language of Taiwan to replace Teochew.
I only understand mandarin
They also mentioned the news of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 02:15:22 [Preview] No.18623 del
The real funny thing is Taiwanese don't play football.

Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 12:06:43 [Preview] No.18628 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NRB-vNe0t0Y [Embed]
The BL group often boast their effort to use modern technology and organization to reach out to folks and to preach Buddhism

Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 17:34:04 [Preview] No.18630 del
As a boycott or you just don't want to add your mortality to the statistics?

I read Dao De Jing long time ago, but sometimes I bring it with me if I travel or into the woods and read a few lines once in a while. I also read The Tao of Pooh and The Te of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff, long time ago as well.
Also there's a Hungarian music band which name was inspired by the Hungarian title of The Te of Piglet. Never heard of their music tho.

What sports are popular in Taiwan?

Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 15:14:42 [Preview] No.18655 del
That's about more than I read Dao De Jing.

I don't know what sports are popular exactly because we do watch World Cup. But I can tell you the impression I got from TV: baseball and basketball are the ordinary sports ordinary people talk about . I can see these two games have high school league and clubs which are broadcasted.

Today I saw a Tom Cruise movie called American Made. Just happen that Salvador divorced us, so I am going to talk about ROC Taiwan's negative contribution to the world.
The movie is about CIA supporting Contras, a guerrilla force in Nicaragua. CIA also needed help from then president of Panama, Noriega.

The movie reminded me that ROC had befriended with Noriega. ROC had also worked with CIA to support the Contras, and annoyed Ortega, President of Nicaragua.

I am saying this, not to show off my knowledge, but merely to demonstrate my ignorance. I have looked up this topic several times over the years. However up until the moment I write this post, I have been confusing the relation of Panama and Nicaragua in the news, and mistaking Ortega and Noriega as the same person.

The day Salvador cut ties with us, I saw a news being circulated: Salvador is a city with high rape crimes.
What a joke. We don't report good or bad news about them when they supported us, but we begin to report bad news about them once they cut ties with us.
The other side of the reports, is that we contributed to their official corruption in form of foreign aides.

All our people these days have been complaining about
these diplomatic ties with "third world countries". They are complaining that it's "Taiwanese money" given out as "ROC favor". They are glad severing ties under the name of ROC.

In a related news, Salvador said they will soon transfer their students in Taiwan to China. Just like when Burkina Faso broke ties with us, their students in Taiwan were all expelled by us.
I feel sad for them. I don't know how much were paid for their studies by whom, but this is an impact on them.

Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 15:48:27 [Preview] No.18657 del
Today I watched another program. It's a PTS report about the childcare public program. They interviewed a licensed nanny and a parent who complained about the program.
One stated purpose of the program is to reduce patents financial burden, the the program will cap charge of the service. The nanny complained that there are many costs of caring kids with special needs that cannot be uniformly capped
The parent complained the opposite thing: many bigger facilities added items of charges to bypass the uniform cap. The government knows they cannot make a comprehensive program to include all facilities and nannies, so they rushed this half product this year ahead of election, only to buy votes

Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 23:16:25 [Preview] No.18669 del
Today's news
Dengue fever is spreading in Taiwan. There are now two infection clusters in Taiwan. One is in Taichung (10 cases) and one is in Taipei (5 cases?) the one in Taipei is suspected to spread disease in a amateur vegetable garden so government locked it down.

2. The council of agriculture discusses about mass culling of pigs and dismember and burning of the carcass on spot, in the event of African pig plague spreading to Taiwan.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 04:38:38 [Preview] No.18672 del
>That's about more than I read Dao De Jing.
Yes, I agree. For us Tao usually is an oriental curiosity we read about and there are a few people who interested in it's philosophical depth it's not the same what you have there.

Why are these countries cut the ties?

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 08:54:52 [Preview] No.18677 del
I've read Tao once and it looked like some absurd and cryptic thing.

Then I've found pretty good Russian translation with commentary, mostly not author, but from other Chinese sources and with explanation about double meanings of hieroglyphs, and it became much more understandable (although somewhat cryptic too). I don't know if translations of that type exist in other languages though.

Pretty good book. Zhuangzi is also interesting, but much more non-consistent. Although I don't get how Taoist priests and temples could even exist, because spirit of Tao De Jing is against organized tradition of learning Tao or anything (but not anarchist of course).

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 16:20:32 [Preview] No.18679 del
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I had that problem with the Daodejing too, just had to read an annotated version. Same thing with the Analects because it's context-heavy as fuck and I don't know shit about Chinese history.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 17:56:19 [Preview] No.18683 del
We read the textbook version of Analects in high school. First recite the original then read almost word by word annotation. Then i forgot about it.

Dao De Jing And Zhuangzi are not on requirements.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 18:52:46 [Preview] No.18687 del
Today I read this article: Taiwanese agriculture is Hopeless

It argued that the future of farming is to rely on exporting stable and high quality produce. This can only be achieved by mass production in highly controlled growth environment.

But Taiwanese officials, academics, and industry hold the wrong ideas. They wrongly focused on breeding instead of on the know-hows of conditions during crop's growth, and the know-hows of meeting the strict and diversified export standards.
This is because the subsidy policy distorted the research focus. The subsidy is led by outdated idea of older experts, and didn't go to people with right know-how. The article satirized the reputable experts, saying that they have created wrong policy in China and wasted them tens of billions (the article called China "enemy state"). The article also criticized a case in which the government officials misguided a greenhouse program and incurred loss on collaborating farmers. He said that if this happened in Netherlands the officials would be sued but they were unpunished in Taiwan.
The author lamented that Taiwan has world-class experts with right know hows, and that he had much hopes for the industry, but his experience is desperate. He advised people who want to study farming to go to study in Israel and Netherlands, where the only hope lies.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 19:03:19 [Preview] No.18688 del
>It argued that the future of farming is to rely on exporting stable and high quality produce. This can only be achieved by mass production in highly controlled growth environment.

Agenda 21.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 19:05:37 [Preview] No.18689 del
Today's uselessness
1. TSMC is exposed to have subtracted its plant construction to a contractor who hired underaged worker.
2. Taoyuan international airport had a collapse during pipeline construction which buried 3 men alive. The investigation said this is because they dug the ditch without outing enbankment in place.
3. A Canadian English teacher is murdered in Taipei. His friends found dead body was dismembered and decapitated and thrown into a river. They said they lost contact of him, and looked for him around the river where he used to walk his dog. The deceased disputed with his neighbors, and had records of selling drugs.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 20:08:30 [Preview] No.18697 del
4. A rain storm hit Taiwan hard.
5. Last week, on the day commemorating Japan's surrender, a KMT's branch office set up a statue comemorating 2000 Taiwanese women who served as comfort woman for Japanese army. and ex president and ex chairman Ma paid tribute to it and demanded formal apology from japan.
Local people have very few reactions to the move, mainly because they don't think KMT can represent the comfort women, and viewed this as a shameless election campaign. The place that's statue stands, and the branch office itself, is considered ill gotten party asset and will be auctioned.
The comfort women and sexual exploitation issue has been controversial in Taiwan. I don't think I have enough neutrality or knowledgeable to comment on the matter.

Bernd 08/23/2018 (Thu) 20:15:56 [Preview] No.18701 del
Frankly high quality and mass production are mutually exclusive concepts.

Bernd 08/24/2018 (Fri) 00:37:55 [Preview] No.18702 del
If you want to have ties with China you have to severe ties with ROC. That's part of the deal.
The two Chinas were struggling with ties over the year. This year China is aggressive to protest our attitudes.
we are quite confrontational too

Bernd 08/25/2018 (Sat) 12:23:47 [Preview] No.18730 del
Today's news is the same
1. Agricultural county got the worst flood among all regions. 160m loss of produce
2. Dengue fever continue spreading in Taipei. Before only southerncities had that problem.
3. The killed Canadian man is a drug dealer and he wasn't killed by other foreigners in the drug ring

Bernd 08/25/2018 (Sat) 13:25:42 [Preview] No.18733 del
I have heard that buddhism in Taiwan is special because we have a very high female to male (nun to monk) ratio of ordained monks: one monk to four nuns
There are many explanations for this. Some say this isn't because Taiwanese hasn't higher literacy. Some say this isn't because Taiwan is a patriarchal society. Neither are quite complete.

Bernd 08/26/2018 (Sun) 06:33:20 [Preview] No.18745 del
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My copy consists of three chapters, the third is the actual translation to prose, in the first this was rewritten into a poetic form, and the middle one contains the notes.

>Agenda 21.
Go on.

>If you want to have ties with China you have to severe ties with ROC. That's part of the deal.
I see. I can imagine Chine would demand such things.
>This year China is aggressive to protest our attitudes.
>we are quite confrontational too
It's usual if one side doesn't show same aggression then the other would think as weakness. So the sabre rattling and tough talk are mandatory.

>The killed Canadian man is a drug dealer
He got very brutal end, this explains the decapitation.

Is the ratio of other countries known?

Bernd 08/26/2018 (Sun) 15:34:17 [Preview] No.18751 del
In comparison, in japan there are 380k Buddhist monks and nuns and male to female ratio is about 1:1. In their Christian (and Catholic) churches the priests seem to outnumber the nuns.

I don't know Japanese so I might have read this statistics wrong.

And Taiwan's female nun ratio is probably higher than China's

Lastly, a hearsay I have never bothered to confirm: in Thailand, sri lanka and Burma, there is no equivalence to Chinese nuns, because their women practice Buddhism in different ways

Bernd 08/26/2018 (Sun) 15:54:06 [Preview] No.18752 del
Japan's 2017 number. 165k monks. 180k nuns. 345k total.
In their christian chirches. 26k males 4k females

Bernd 08/27/2018 (Mon) 18:39:30 [Preview] No.18765 del
Is literacy low on Taiwan? Or just isn't high enough?

Bernd 08/27/2018 (Mon) 20:18:24 [Preview] No.18766 del
Fun fact: only one country in Europe has Buddhism as the most popular religion, and it is Kalmykia - republic inside or Russia, populated by real authentic Mongols (Oirats) who migrated to that place in 17th century.

They also very Buddhist in their ways, i.e. so peaceful so even local Caucasian Muslims don't want to mess with them much. For example, some time ago one wrestler from Dagestan sports team, who moved there to some championship, gone in drunk spree over the city, streaming video where he kicks Buddha statue in temple. But then, at evening, locals quickly persuaded him to be more respectful to other cultures. He even decided to get down to his knees because they were too peaceful.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 03:06:05 [Preview] No.18779 del
Its just an auto correction typo
What I meant was some say Taiwan has more nuns because it has haughty literacy rate

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 03:09:42 [Preview] No.18780 del
I have heard about them. When I was reading about Soviet Union I think.
Mongolians is a diversified race. I used to only hear about those inside present day China. But now I began to notice more and more about those out there.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 03:30:09 [Preview] No.18781 del
Damn it's a typo again. Higher literacy rate
I guess it's not that high

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 12:52:12 [Preview] No.18787 del
Today's useless news
1. The flood caused 340m of agricultural loss. Chiayi was hit hardest:140m.
2. The flood buffer pools seem to be effective.
3. Only 20% of nannies applied for and registered in the public childcare program. Most think it's unfair on the nannies.
4. The Kinmen battle Memorial Day passed without much attention. ROC government used to celebrate this day heavily. But now Kinmen is seen indefensible by Taiwanese.

Today I watched the episode 32 of Young Martial. The old martial Zhang Xuoling has been assasinated by Japanese army. His son Zhang Xueliang now takes charge and has to decide if he should break up with Japanese and submit to ROC Nanjing government.
An advisor advised against it, because they can bargain for more from Nanjing by not submitting

I find it strange that the show didn't stress the importance of unification but kept talking about independence.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 13:26:52 [Preview] No.18788 del
I also saw another program called The Black Heart of America. It's interviewing a coal miner named Scott. The family have black lung disease up to 3 generations. And there are risks of other accidents. The region is also poor for many other reasons.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 16:30:06 [Preview] No.18792 del
The m here is million right? Million in what? Tonnes? Dollars? Taiwanese dollars?

>Zhang Xuoling
With the exception of Japanese I've always had troubles with East Asian names since I started to read stuff about them in English. We don't use Pinyin but a Magyarized writing system so we don't have - for example - Beijing but Peking or we write Phenjan instead of Pyongyang and when I see a name be it a person's or place or whatever which I haven't seen before I've got the faintest idea how to pronounce it.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 16:43:34 [Preview] No.18795 del
And I thought Buddhists are peaceful. Well, now I despise all religions.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 16:45:22 [Preview] No.18796 del
Is there just one Taiwanese ITT?

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 16:58:04 [Preview] No.18797 del
Guns don't kill. People kill.
I mean religions.

I think there was another one briefly for a post or two.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 22:48:42 [Preview] No.18804 del
Yes. Million NTD.

Peking was from an older WG romanization system. Pinying was developed later. Both should be searchable online. I didn't really mean to make people read it. I just put the name there if someone needs to google it. But Xuoliang is a typo. It's Xueliang. His name was Chang Hsueh-liang in WG.
All romanization of Chinese require some effort to keep up with I suppose. But it's an online age and you might find some audio visual sources

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LdErDAd7690 [Embed]
This is fun. A local tourism bureau opened one of Zhang's house in Taiwan. Because he had been put under house arrest in Taiwan by Chiang Kai-shek

In 1937, the guy launched a coup against Chiang Kai-shek the Generalismo of ROC. He asked Chiang to launch war against Japanese. Chiang agreed and was released. Chiang then put him under house arrest for life.

In 1949 Chiang evacuated many "Chinese warlords" to Taiwan. They were all local military officials who once commanded semi-autonomous provinces. Few of them were Chiang's entrusted righthand, such as southwestern general Bai Chongxi. Others were put under house arrest for life. They were all very quiet in Taiwan so the locals just forget about them.
But they were all very influential on modern Chinese history, and many mainland tourists come to Taiwan to see things about them.
This house in the video was in a remote rural mountain location. In fact Zhang was put there for only 2 years before Chiang relocated him to Taipei, and the House was only a replica sort of thing. But the local government thought this can boom tourism and renovated the place.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 22:57:39 [Preview] No.18805 del
Can't comment on how Mongolians interact with other nationalities.
people in Taiwan more or less know Buddhists can be nationalistic to the country, and be zealous to the statue.
But we probably wouldn't see this case in terms of violence vs pacifism. But I don't know. Can't speak for all Taiwanese Buddhists.

Bernd 08/28/2018 (Tue) 23:44:00 [Preview] No.18807 del
>Beijing but Peking or we write Phenjan instead of Pyongyang

First one is old-style transliteration. It is same in Russian, Пекин (Pekin). Second is phonetic compared to weird Korean usage of Latin script.

We also using old name for China - Китай (Kitay).

>All romanization of Chinese require some effort to keep up with I suppose.

I've heard that mainstream cyrillization of Chinese is better than almost every romanization system because it translates sounds more correctly, although I couldn't prove or disprove this of course.

Romanized names also look weird for me so I often google them because they are written so different compared to our system. For example, Kuomintang is cyrillized as Гоминьдан (something like Gomindan), and this guy (Zhang Xueliang) is written like Чжан Сюэлян (Chzhan Suelyan).

>But we probably wouldn't see this case in terms of violence vs pacifism.

That was mostly sarcasm because:

1) Buddhism is viewed as overly peaceful thing in West, especially by western hippies. Recent conflict in Myanmar with Muslims was shock for common westerner.
2) Russians rarely could protect their rights or culture in situation like this, they mostly subservient in conflicts with Caucasians (although it isn't only ethnic trait but political influence too). That reaction from Kalmyks were viewed with jealousy ("why we can't act like them?" etc).

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 01:13:10 [Preview] No.18810 del
That's what I heard about the "small nationalism". In china sometimes they say "small nationalities should be allowed have healthy nationalism but big nationalities are not allowed to have that". But sometimes they changed and say neither can have it. There are similar ideas inside Taiwan but we don't have such a clear written rules for it. Both experience are rather provincial compared to the cases in Soviet Union states.

The western attitudes toward Buddhism probably have fluctuation too.

My most worries are about romanization. Don't really know how other writing system work (Japanese, Vietnamese, etc). I guess it's always a problem the native speakers have to work out by themselves. Especially if the native speakers already have long history with China.

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 01:50:46 [Preview] No.18811 del
>Back in early 20th century, Chinese Buddhism can be divided into two parts. The popular part had integrated with Chinese popular religion and life rituals. The Zhongyuan offering mentioned above, is integrated with Buddhism in its every aspect.
>On the other hand there is monastery. I don't know how it works. But at that time, becoming a Buddhist monk wasn't very respectable. The monks were poor and "uneducated". Some of them only became monks because they were orphans. They are also criticized for "living off people's funeral rites and superstitions".
Today I re-read this post I wrote earlier and found that this was mainly master Taixu's opinion. A more balanced description would be that the temples and the communities worked well. The temples thrived on holding all kinds of rituals for local people who need it, and preached Buddhist teaching to them too. The problem is to more modern minded people these rituals may be superstitious and wasteful, and the reformers wanted to appropriate temple properties to become modern schools. The monks weren't that poor at that time but they were considered unproductive by reformers. That's why people like master Taixu said they should reform themselves before being appropriated by reformers.

No wonder that post wasn't very logical.

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 02:11:29 [Preview] No.18813 del
>I've heard that mainstream cyrillization of Chinese is better than almost every romanization system because it translates sounds more correctly
Why write "чж" to represent "zh" when you could just write "дж"? Same with "цз" instead of "дз".

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 05:40:43 [Preview] No.18815 del
>Buddhism is viewed as overly peaceful thing in West
So much this.
I liek religions in general but I know people how follow these are just people with the same earthly life they live everywhere. Westerners (and even here so it would be better to say North Americans and Europeans) see the Buddhists of the East some kind of a living Saints when they are not. And they prefer Buddhism over Christianity because they see Christianity as some kind of a failure due all the cruelty and killing people did in the name of Christ and God. They also feel the old traditional boring religion can't give rest for their soul and for them Buddhism is new and exotic and not tainted with wars, murder and malice. Naive heda.
And frankly it's the case of tables turned. In 19th century Westerners saw them as savages now as the non plus ultra of culture.

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 06:25:40 [Preview] No.18816 del
>North Americans
Who implied Latin Americans weren't "Western"?

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 06:55:19 [Preview] No.18817 del
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>Why write "чж" to represent "zh" when you could just write "дж"? Same with "цз" instead of "дз".

Because authors of transcription system thought that "чж" represents Chinese "zh" sound better, than "дж". Technically it is different sounds, although difference is hardly noticeable.

I couldn't comment if they were right or not because I'm not good with Chinese.

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 10:03:04 [Preview] No.18818 del
There are probably some reasons or causes why they think about Asian religions like that.

we have those kinds of new religions too. Some people think old Asian religions cannot meet their needs and idealize some other new religions. But I guess pacifism isn't their main ideal goal. The focus of our new religion seem to be individualization. But that maybe just a wrong impression. I didn't really think about it

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 13:03:01 [Preview] No.18821 del
I've met so many normie grills who call themselves Buddhists despite knowing literally nothing about it. Funny thing is they associate it with happiness and spirituality when in reality it denies the existence of the soul and states that everything is suffering.

Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 17:03:17 [Preview] No.18827 del
My remark was about including post-commie countries.
Btw "Western" looks like this: Burgerland, UK of India and Pakistan, Fronce, Germoney, Australia, Benelux, Skandis
Western but in Another Dimension: Canuckia
Western Adjacent: Moortugal, Asspain, Shitaly
Western Adjacent but doesn't matter unless holiday: Grease
But please, don't start a map thread, we can continue this I see no reason why should we do, but just in case

>probably some reasons or causes why
1. naive heda
3. they spoilt
4. culture of novelty
Well, this is just a joge, but a kernel of truth must be there.

Gautama Siddhartha was a crypto-Ukrainian.

Bernd 08/30/2018 (Thu) 09:33:46 [Preview] No.18847 del
Now that I think more about it, Taiwanese religions in general really are more pacificed (more like a "religion of peace") than before.
I can give your three examples, which may not prove it, but it should be better than my earlier post:
1. Se-lai temple Incident: in 1915, there was a syncretic Buddhist religion in Taiwan and its believers launcheda a rebellion against Japanese. But in general Japanese ruling was successful, so this was the last armed resistance. After that Han people in Taiwan became quite civilized, even though there are brawls and shooting every week.
2. I have heard one Taiwanese buddhist talking and complaining about buddhist monks in a country physically attacking monks from another sect over issues of taking disciples. While it's not clear which country he was talking about, it's clear that at least for this person, his expectation for buddhist monk has became quite non-violent.
3. The charity organization Tzu Chi often promotes itself using the very slogan of "world peace".

I guess some religious people (middle class women?) in Taiwan have also been "gentrified" and their impression of Buddhism has also became "a religion of peace", like the westerners you were talking about.
That's funny because I always thought westerners were having a rosy misunderstanding about Buddhism, but it seems the brands of Buddhism we have in Taiwan has also changed.

As of the "young western girls who know nothing but they associate Buddhism with happiness and spirituality", I got some examples in Taiwan to be compared to.

1. while Tzu Chi talks about world peace, its main slogans are "spirit of devotion" and "accumulating merits". it is a big charity business after all, and people join it for reasons both practical and idealistic. Some people call the volunteers living saints. Others call them hypocrites, making money under the name of charity. But no one denies their influence in the region.

2.There are also some Buddhist meditation class in the cities. Compared to the charity business, these people really know less about the region, and do nothing but sitting, and the programs indeed focus more about "spirituality" and "peace" than rituals. But they are associated with established temples and monks. Not to mention there are also the secular (non-religious) MBSR programs popular in Taiwan.

3. The traditional kind of Buddhism and other Chinese syncreticism, seem to me are based and focused on families and communities. It has some authority. For example when two men have disputes, they can settle this in a temple by tossing coins. This is what I feel I don't see in "western buddhism": They don't have families, communities or authority. But this is also different from the deep philosophical thoughts of Buddhism, and probably is closer to western churches.

4. Lastly, I feel that I am also quite ignorant about Asian religions. I am an worker living in city, and my family stopped those rituals long ago. I live in the region but I might not know more than those western girls.

Bernd 08/30/2018 (Thu) 15:51:08 [Preview] No.18848 del
How is the view of "self" in Taiwan? Does it lean more towards Buddhist "Anatta" or Chinese "Jingshen"?

In the West I've noticed that despite most people being atheist, they still seem to believe in a strange kind of body/mind dualism left over from Christianity. You can see it in common language (people saying "my body" or "my mind" as if they themselves are a separate entity) and in medicine, where physical and mental illnesses are largely treated as if they are isolated from each other.

Bernd 08/30/2018 (Thu) 16:57:48 [Preview] No.18849 del
>body/mind dualism
Absolute plebs. Body/mind/spirit trialism where it is at.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 01:18:55 [Preview] No.18873 del
I can't really answer that for others. Both keywords are popular in Taiwan but the first is more popular. There is also a three syllable word Jing-Qi-Shen which is very popular. But I don't know the differentiation of the three word. They all look like stamina to me

Qi is probably the kind of non-binary idea you are looking for. It can be physical, psychological or about bad lucks, bad environment etc.

another three syllable word Shen-Xin-Ling can used to translate body-mind-spirit and it's often used to discuss health.

The word Ling 靈 has many meanings. It can mean ghosts and spirits, it can also be used to translate the western word "spirituality".
many medium claim that through their gifts and works they can channel to spirits and help with your spiritual and health issues. So you can say that in their usage this word isn't binary.

I myself is more familiar with body/mind dualism. Not really understand how other ideas work.
It could be that I am still considered healthy now. It seems people with pain, problems and illness appreciate different ideas more.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 01:55:33 [Preview] No.18874 del
>they see Christianity as some kind of a failure due all the cruelty and killing people did in the name of Christ and God. They also feel the old traditional boring religion can't give rest for their soul and for them Buddhism is new and exotic and not tainted with wars, murder and malice.

There really are people on Komica right now saying exactly the same things. They are males and more combatitive I guess.
And Komica is an extreme website. In normal places people don't compare Asian and western religions like that because that would create problems with local Christians.

Their comparison is a kind of Asian nationalism. They have all kinds of hate against Christianity, calling it a religion of superstition and intolerance etc. I feel Some of them are anti-colonial, some are patriotic, some are from their personal business with local Christians, some are philosophical.

But then among Asian religions they have differentiation too. For example when some people pointed out problems in Asian religions, some more extreme people would favor the "original buddhism" promoted by some Japanese as better than Chinese Buddhism, which is corrupted not by wars but by soliciting money.

Can't really summarize or categorize all those arguments because they are all anons.

Anyway I just want to say that when I really think about it, we really have boys talking about exactly the same thing in Taiwan. But I don't know about exotic part because I am not familiar with the topic

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 02:01:46 [Preview] No.18875 del
>Buddhism is new and exotic and not tainted with wars, murder and malice.
I guess a Taiwanese Anon might say that "Asian religions do have murders but in general it's more peaceful"

But that's just my guessing. Can't really tell how anons think. You may have to ask them directly in English.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 08:46:30 [Preview] No.18880 del
Buddhism is the Christianity of Asia really, it comes from India, from the Aryans, it's a Dharmic religion, not a native East Asian religion.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 10:00:50 [Preview] No.18881 del
In last a few years claw machine shop has became a new business model. The model begins with a store manager who rent, renovate and maintain a store on street. He then buy a dozen claw game machines (crane game) and lease them out to other "machine tenants" at a price of 5k NT/month. The investors have to supply (maintain?) the machines with prizes and collect the coins. Usually the store isn't attended by any humans.

There are more and more of these shops every month. Some say this is a pyramid scheme ready to collapse anytime. Some say this isn't because Taiwan's wrong fiscal policies caused over investment in city properties And pumped up the rents. These caused blight and the claw machines are the blight. But frankly the locations of these stores don't look like blight at all

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 10:13:05 [Preview] No.18882 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0LNI4sNG4uQ [Embed]
There is this machine operator (investor mentioned in last post) who put an Aquarian tank in the machine and put living crayfish and crabs as prize.
When this attracted complaints and the reporters interviewed the machine operator, he calmly explained that animal protection act only protects animals with spines so his game is legal.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 10:26:13 [Preview] No.18883 del
I don't like this program. Because Taiwanese kids and Chinese people look like idiots. Only Europeans and Australians look smart. It's probably an language issue.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 10:37:30 [Preview] No.18884 del
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>it comes from India, from the Aryans

Most of Indian religions are actually pretty much native to India, and not Indo-European/Aryan. For example, old Vedic religion that was pretty IE in concept was heavily transformed into modern Hinduism by locals.

It is like Christianity that became purely European but started as Jewish thing.

Although you are right, Buddhism isn't native to East Asia.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 11:22:35 [Preview] No.18887 del
Not really. Christianity isn't "European" at all, it's fully Hebrew to its core, the Tanakh (Hebrew) is directly confirmed canon by the New Testament (Christian), and most holy figures in Christianity are Hebrew, from Abraham to the Apostles. It also stays true to the lineage of the Israelites. Also, the first nations to adopt Christianity as the state religion weren't even in Europe. Armenia was the first relevant nation (there was San Marino in Europe, but eh, that's a microstate) to adopt Christianity as the state religion, followed by Ethiopia and then in the late 4th century, Rome adopted Christianity as the state religion and outlawed all "Pagan" practices like the Olympics. "Deus Vult, Hallelujah Christianity made western civilisation" doesn't refute it. You could say the same for Hinduism and how it's Indo-European to its core rather than Dravidian (the main inhabitants of India, who today inhabit southern India primarily).

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 11:41:45 [Preview] No.18889 del
Christianity is mostly a Roman invention: they took some shitty local sect and used them as a tool to maintain societal order for hundred years. Jewish influence became nothing even in first 200-300 years, and after Christianity even became antisemitic.

Local pagan cults are influenced Christianity much. Cult of Mary is truly pagan thing. In Russia. for example, there are plenty pagan holidays that were integrated in Christianity, and many saints have pagan gods analogues.

Old Testament is "canon", but most of Christian teaching based on New Testament. Until mass colonization Christianity was mostly European thing, because Ethiopia and some small Asian enclaves don't matter.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 11:56:27 [Preview] No.18890 del
>Christianity is mostly a Roman invention: they took some shitty local sect and used them as a tool to maintain societal order for hundred years
Because Constantine was an ogliarch. Council of Nicaea just mixed Mithraism, the Iranian religion with early Christianity really, and thus came Nicene Christianity.
>In Russia. for example, there are plenty pagan holidays that were integrated in Christianity, and many saints have pagan gods analogues
So they just basically practice Paganism alongside Christianity? >Old Testament is "canon", but most of Christian teaching based on New Testament
Indeed, the New Testament is the actual "Christian" teaching, but you still can't have the Christian teaching without the Jewish teaching, the Old Testament.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 11:56:51 [Preview] No.18891 del
>Old Testament is "canon", but most of Christian teaching based on New Testament
Fuck, bad formatting.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:01:27 [Preview] No.18892 del
Nod really.
Christianity is European to the core. The cradle of European culture isn't Greece but the Middle East where the Greeks adopted all their ideas from and Judaism is grew out from that same stem. Then Hellenism came to the Middle East basically watering the old soil what with the Greeks added. Then arrived the Romans conquering who were also inspired by the Greeks and added their own fertilizer. And from only this soil could Christianity grew out. It spread among the Jewish communities who lived all over in the Roman Empire who was directly influenced by their environment. In parallel to this non-Jews accepted baptism in growing numbers surpassing the Jews in quick pace. Christianity devoured many pagan ideas and much symbolism and took over holy sites but. Then it grew in Europe for over a thousand years soaking everything into itself from the Europeans who followed it. Europeans rethought and rethought it over and over sifting unviable hereticism until one proved to be otherwise and then the two branch were evolved further by Europeans for a half millennia more. (I overlooked Orthodoxy but never mind that.)
It's the same with Hinduism. It was there before the newcomers but was reshaped and reshaped by them and become what you call "Indo-European to its core". Btw Indo-European is a language group (I prefer this than language family, because the tree-metaphore that comes with it is shit) and not people.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:03:56 [Preview] No.18893 del
>the New Testament is the actual "Christian" teaching, but you still can't have the Christian teaching without the Jewish teaching, the Old Testament.
Nope. There are/were Christian denominations and "heretic" sects who didn't care about Old Testament.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:04:42 [Preview] No.18894 del
That sure does sound like heresy, as the New Testament confirms the Old Testament was canon.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:15:04 [Preview] No.18897 del
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>So they just basically practice Paganism alongside Christianity?

Officially no, of course. But in reality many of holidays are very pagan, for example, Maslenitsa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslenitsa
Church doesn't condemn this and even plays part in celebration, but it isn't Christian holiday.

Same with different superstitions and local traditions. Church condemns superstitions, but no one cares. It is fun that many of them are related to Christianity.

Same with cult of saints. There are plenty of respected saints, saint Nikolay, saint Andrew, saint Serafim, Basil etc. Their names used in naming, like ships, medals, places, their icons are exist in homes and churches. Technically saintdom doesn't conflict with Christianity, because officially it is "just veneration, we know that real god is one", but actually it looks like polytheism.

Sometimes syncretism happened. Old Slavic god Veles became related to saint Blaise (they had some similarity). Perun partly became Elijah:

>As Elijah was described as ascending into heaven in a fiery chariot, the Christian missionaries who converted Slavic tribes likely found him an ideal analogy for Perun, the supreme Slavic god of storms, thunder and lightning bolts. In many Slavic countries Elijah is known as Elijah the Thunderer (Ilija Gromovnik), who drives the heavens in a chariot and administers rain and snow, thus actually taking the place of Perun in popular beliefs.[102][103][104]

As far as I know, Catholicism isn't much different in that case. It was Protestantism who gone to the purist way (funny that Luther was antisemite but practiced going back to the roots).

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:16:05 [Preview] No.18898 del
>The cradle of European culture isn't Greece but the Middle East where the Greeks adopted all their ideas from and Judaism is grew out from that same stem
That's civilisation, not culture. Technically Scandinavia was "barbarian" and "uncivilised" before Christianity, and became "civilised" once the Norwegian king baptised himself, it's not like all of Scandinavian culture immediately became Christian, it's still present today. The Greeks didn't have their culture immediately devoured by the Mesopotamians, they only became "civilised".
>Christianity devoured many pagan ideas and much symbolism and took over holy sites but. Then it grew in Europe for over a thousand years soaking everything into itself from the Europeans who followed it. Europeans rethought and rethought it over and over sifting unviable hereticism until one proved to be otherwise and then the two branch were evolved further by Europeans for a half millennia more
Oh yes, a few holidays and supposed saints parallel to Roman deities immediately makes Christianity fully European! It's not like they themselves outlawed much of the Pagan "heresy", like the Olympics, and even outlawed forms of art like sculptures, because idolatry.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:45:59 [Preview] No.18902 del
That 1700-1800 years of being European religion makes it European mostly. Practiced by Europeans, philosophized with it by Europeans, changed and changed again by Europeans. You also really downplay the effects of Christianity's amoeba like behaviour.

What we think to know about paganisms of the European continent we all get it from Christian sources, through Christian filter, making all neo-pagan beliefs Christian inventions btw.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 12:59:22 [Preview] No.18904 del
>It seems people with pain, problems and illness appreciate different ideas more.
This true. If the ordinary doesn't work people turn to new ideas in the hope to find something there for them.

>They have all kinds of hate against Christianity, calling it a religion of superstition and intolerance etc
We have similar people here just in reverse (calling Buddhism and other religions superstitions and such). Their thoughts also originates from the love of their own.
Frankly I prefer these guys over those who despise their own, but they should mature and take the next step.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 13:13:46 [Preview] No.18906 del
I guess both kinds are extreme. The love of their own or the hate of it.
We have people who hate Europeans, hate Christians, hate Chinese, and hate current Taiwanese religions.
Those people usually know more about history than me and I can usually learn a lot from them. But I dont know. I just cannot keep calm in those threads.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 13:23:53 [Preview] No.18907 del
What do you mean 1800 years? The Roman Empire only adopted Christianity as the state religion around 393 CE, which is around 1600 years ago, and I doubt the Empire itself was majority Christian until at least several decades after that. They also abandoned Britain before they Christianised it, so there's that, most of Europe was Pagan back then. The Roman Empire itself was based primarily around the Mediterranean, except Britain really, and never really expanded into the heart of Europe, not ever since they lost to Herman of Cherusci in Germania. Anglo-Saxon England adopted Christianity at around the 8th century, continental Saxons after the defeat of Widukind, 9th century, Poland, Scandinavia, and Russia, the 11th century. Olaf converting to Christianity wasn't taken well, and that led to Pagans leading a revolt and killing him, which proves that the Scandinavians didn't just immediately convert to Christianity right after Olaf's death. Even then, there were still Pagans recorded in Sweden and Denmark during the 12th and 13th centuries, they were considered such a threat that the King of Norway had to intervene and force baptise them (so much for Christianity being spread by mouth..). The Basques (Navarre) weren't Christianised until the 11th century, the Baltic states and Prussia weren't until the 12th century, and Lithuania which already became a European power didn't adopt Christianity until 1387, close to the early 15th century. The Lithuanians had guns and cannons before they adopted Christianity, and as I said with Scandinavia, there were still Pagans after they adopted Christianity, they weren't fully Christianised immediately. It doesn't look like 1800 years to me.

Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 13:24:57 [Preview] No.18908 del
>which already became a European power
Baltic power, rather.

Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 12:18:52 [Preview] No.18922 del
Today I watched a South Korean action movie. Translated as 菜鳥警校生 (청년경찰 Midnight Runners). The two Korean police followed a dozen mysterious bad guys into a mutton BBQ ship. On the wall and on its signboard there were Chinese characters 羊肉串. I saw it when I flipped the channel. It looked so prettt and familiar to me so I watched it. The bad guys were kidnapping local girls.
But I suddenly realized there were Chinese characters because the bad people were Korean Chinese. This is the third movie I saw about korean Chinese criminal gangs. I hate some of the opinions I read about it.
Alsways learn about new people from people I hate.

Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 12:21:23 [Preview] No.18923 del
>a mutton BBQ ship.

Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 13:57:30 [Preview] No.18924 del
Another question for you. If North Africa was never conquered by Muslims, would it be considered "Western"?

Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 18:11:36 [Preview] No.18926 del
Do the tv channels you watch prefer to broadcast East Asian movies? Do they have European, American or Indian (Bollywood isn't too far) films, flicks?

Awful lot could have happened in history to change statuses of any lands. What I wrote is mostly our perception here, probably it's true for other post-commie nations.

The 1800 years is an arbitrary number. In 2 centuries after Jesus goyim could take over the leading role in Christianity with ease. We don't need to pinpoint an exact date like Nicea or whatever. I haven't read your post entirely yet tho. Today was a very busy day.

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 04:55:20 [Preview] No.18932 del
The channels are divided into Western (US and UK) and Asian
The sinophone movies (from mainland, Taiwan, Hongkong etc) have the highest rating. Followed by Asian movies: Japanese and Korean, and perhaps Thai
Other Asian countries, especially Bollywood, belongs to World movies. The most popular Bollywood movies of the year is also more popular than Western movies. But the number is very few.
The world movies category includes European movies: (French spainish german), Latin American, and Russian. I notice the Russian ones the most often.
The American block busters and British movies are shown on tier 1 channels: HBO and FOX.
The Sinophone and most popular Asian movies are shown on another tier 1 channel owned by Star group which is owned by FOX
The world movies are shown by tier 3 and 4 Channels, which are owned by local groups.

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 05:07:08 [Preview] No.18933 del
While I rarely watch any tv for a long time now I believe it's still true that the tv channels never broadcast Asian stuff, with the lone exception of some Kurosawa movies once in every decade, and a Korean historical soap.
It's all dominated by local and American products, followed by German, English, Italian and French stuff. AFAIK rarely any Scandinavian or Iberian or from any other place. In gommie times Czechoslovakian films were more frequent.

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 07:24:02 [Preview] No.18934 del
>Awful lot could have happened in history to change statuses of any lands. What I wrote is mostly our perception here, probably it's true for other post-commie nations.
North Africa was Catholic and spoke North African Romance (although Berber was the most common language, it was starting to be phased out just like Gaulish) before the Arab conquest. They were conquered by the Germanic tribes (the Vandals) just like most of the former Western Roman Empire, and even after the Muslims conquered it, the Normans conquered it, and would've expanded Norman influence in Africa had it not been for the Almohad invasion. Mussolini also would've strengthened North Africa's ties with Italy had he stayed in power, take from that what you will.

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 07:25:18 [Preview] No.18935 del
It was used even hundreds of years after the Muslim conquest, had it not been for the Almohads taking Norman Africa, we'd consider North Africa "western".

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 19:13:22 [Preview] No.18940 del
Could we continue this in another thread? Maybe the map thread is fine. I don't want to shit all over Taiwanese Bernd's thread.

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 22:53:15 [Preview] No.18950 del
I have seen one Hungarian movies called Hurok. It's from the world movies section.

I got a feeling that they show more spainish and French movies than other European movies. I don't remember Northern or Eastern European movies. But it could be that I just didn't notice them. Chinese movies often go to Europe for locations.

The Russian action and war movies seem to have a special niche on a tier 4 channel called Hollywood channel. It has the worst picture quality and is rumored to be a money laundry business.

People who really want to see movies don't watch TV anyway. They all use internet.

That's just normal discussion. See what suits you.

Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 22:58:19 [Preview] No.18951 del
>Russian. I notice the Russian ones the most often.

What Russian movies they show? Modern or Soviet ones?

Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 23:01:06 [Preview] No.18979 del
It's all modern movies about patriotic war. See >>18115
They also have disaster movie such as METRO 2013
and superhero movies such as The guardians 2017

Bernd 09/05/2018 (Wed) 05:16:10 [Preview] No.18982 del
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Never even heard about that before. Which isn't surprising frankly.

Well, most Russian movies are disaster movies.

Bernd 09/05/2018 (Wed) 06:42:12 [Preview] No.18984 del
That is actually sad.

Modern Russian movies are mostly shit. Soviet ones also weren't perfect, but they were better, especially about war (best ones were filmed with cast who fought in the war in 50-70s).

Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 22:38:36 [Preview] No.19077 del
Today I get up earlier to watch the Tzu Chi organization channel.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Egkn8Bq73N4 [Embed]
An one hour long morning chanting broadcast between 04:30-05:30 AM.

This is followed by preaching of master Zhengyan, the founder of the organization.
Recorded on 2018-06-30, Zhengyan preached in Xindian center on a older volunteer group meeting.

She said their environmental business has became an international example.
She then said that long term care will be the next big thing because on the organization's medical division meeting she heard about it daily.

She then said that another purpose of the older volunteer group is for the volunteers to accumulate wisdom, so that in the next life you can have a determination instead of just following karma. Buddha's teaching must be learned in practice.

She then praised them as humanistic budasattiva who have enlightened her, and praised them again as model of volunteers. She then encouraged them again to keep looking for true wisdom in next life. Finally she reminded them that they are old like herself, their bodies are slower so be careful.
The ending remark is being older is a blessing because you have more accumulation of merits.
The preaching video ended the master leaving the place and people kneeled to her.

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 05:12:13 [Preview] No.19149 del
Are you Buddhist?

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 14:12:27 [Preview] No.19154 del
No. I just wonder what they are doing.

I began to notice there are many kinds of overseas Chinese. I also began to know different Japanese and Koreans. Like that Japanese tennis player.

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 15:03:38 [Preview] No.19156 del
Rain and flood in the north. People in the south laughed at them because lossy time the rain flooded the south people in the north laughed at them. Election created regional conflicts.
People are wondering if African swine fever will come to Taiwan. It seems unavoidable.

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 15:33:24 [Preview] No.19160 del
Japs play tennis?

How come? Taiwan is liek Madagascar, just close port.

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 15:34:43 [Preview] No.19161 del
I meant the latter remark as a reflection on the African swine fever.

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 15:48:02 [Preview] No.19164 del
I don't know. People just have a general impression that virus always breaches. SARS had breached to us. It caused some public scare.
The worries came with news that dengue fever cases continue to rise. there are maybe 30 cases in total this year.

When I was young everyone was talking about IC. Especially aspiring young men. Now I am old I still don't know what IC is. It's like I am reading about Taiwan from abroad.

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 15:51:47 [Preview] No.19166 del
Intrusion Countermeasure

Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 16:14:09 [Preview] No.19169 del
Taiwanese people kept talking about the Madagascar game as a joke because they hate the idea of closing ports

Today police prosecuted a guy who bought Chinese ham online.
...mean people said he must be a Hongkong cook in Taiwan cooking for mainlander tourists...
The African swine fever is now a racist topic. The mod seemed to have censored the topic because it can become really politicized and hateful.

Bernd 09/12/2018 (Wed) 17:29:23 [Preview] No.19205 del
The most minor thing can spark very heated reactions.

Bernd 09/12/2018 (Wed) 22:59:35 [Preview] No.19215 del
Pork isn't a minor thing in taiwan.
diseases have always been China haters main hate.

Bernd 09/13/2018 (Thu) 12:47:54 [Preview] No.19220 del
In today's tv series, the young marshal lost his Manchuria to Japanese. He worked with Chiang Kai-shek. Chiang told him not to recover the Manchuria and sent him to northern China to fight the communist China. He soon suffered great loss in civil war, and the morale was low because these men would rather fight Japanese.
Later he would betray KMT

Bernd 09/13/2018 (Thu) 13:04:36 [Preview] No.19222 del
Betray KMT and unite with CPC

the funny thing about this series is that they described the KMT nationalist government. I don't know how they usually described KMT but in this series they paid more sympathy for those who collaborated with CPC.
Here in Taiwan I have become so ignorant of KMT and its history in China.

Bernd 09/13/2018 (Thu) 15:31:29 [Preview] No.19226 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_7vAUTWzCH8 [Embed]
Today a gangster boss' funeral was held. Thousands of gangsters attended and two factions staged a fake clash.
The boss once headed a local branch of a nation wide syndicate, which was formed 30 years ago. The legend has it that it was formed when police launched a major anti organized crime operation and arrested all local boss. The islander boss met in prison and formed a pact to counter mainlanders. The mainlander formed another similar syndicate. Both have sent assassin squads to somewhere (Cambodia ?) for military training.

After the boss retired from the syndicate, he chaired a local temple and donated millions to re-furnish it.

Bernd 09/13/2018 (Thu) 18:15:20 [Preview] No.19227 del
>Thousands of gangsters attended and two factions staged a fake clash.
They sure have style.

Bernd 09/13/2018 (Thu) 22:29:14 [Preview] No.19240 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pso_sNA1rJM [Embed]

Bernd 09/14/2018 (Fri) 19:46:28 [Preview] No.19261 del

How serious is crime in Taiwan actually?

Common idea at outside is that Chinese (and mostly Asian generally) regions have relatively low random and violent crime levels, even in densely populated places (compared to places with same characteristics in other world).

But everyone know about large organized crime groups, the Triads.

Bernd 09/14/2018 (Fri) 23:06:56 [Preview] No.19268 del
That's a question I heard all the time in Taiwan too. The Taiwanese who traveled abroad often complained that safety outside Taiwan is bad in comparison and told people who didn't travel to check the reality. Shops aren't robbed all the time and can stay open all night. Road lamps. Security camera. Less homeless people etc. it seems to have to do with economy.
Everyone knows about organized crimes. They collect debts, bounce for gambling and prostitutes houses, work on construction, redevelopment, and waste treatment. The rural people complain about them a lot.
So I guess different class of people got affected differently.

Bernd 09/15/2018 (Sat) 23:19:14 [Preview] No.19285 del
The skirt of a powerful typhoon has disrupted a wedding in east coast. From this video you can see the couple are Christian aboriginals

Theyir wedding banquet was going to be held in a local activity center but the catering was disrupted. You can also see how their church wedding worked.
Many non Christian Chinese like the idea of church wedding. But few followed the Christian requirement to hold the wedding in form of mass.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tU2oRIozmEM [Embed]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=B6TVJvn75iE [Embed]

Bernd 09/18/2018 (Tue) 15:03:29 [Preview] No.19372 del
Why Slovenia isn't writing about this typhoon?

Bernd 09/19/2018 (Wed) 20:46:22 [Preview] No.19405 del
>Once a master carpenter named Shih was travelling with his apprentice on his way to the state of Chi. When they arrived in Chu Yuan village they passed a huge old oak tree sheltering the village shrine. It was huge, large enough to fit several thousand oxen under its branches. It was 100 spans and towered over everything else in the village with its lowest branches a full 80 feet in the air. These branches were so large they could have been made into a dozen boats. Many people were standing under it, their necks craned as they tried to see the top. But the master carpenter did not even turn his head as they passed it; but walked on without stoping for a moment.
>His apprentice took one look at the immense tree and ran after his master saying: “Since I first took up the ax to train with you Master, I have never seen a tree as magnificent. Yet you do not even look at it, much less stop. Why is this?”
>The carpenter said, “Enough! Not another word about this tree! Its wood is useless. A boat made from its timber would sink; a coffin would rot before you could put it into the ground; any tool you made from it would snap. It has too much sap in it to make a door, and a beam made from its wood would be full of termites. Altogether it is a completely useless tree and that is why it has lived so long.”
>One night, after he returned home, the ancient tree came to the carpenter in a dream and spoke to him. “What are you comparing me to,” it asked, “useful trees like cherry, apple, pear, orange, citron and all the other useful trees? Yet for these trees, as soon as the fruit is ripe they are stripped; their branches are broken and torn off. It is their usefulness that causes them so much abuse. Instead of living out the years heaven has given them they are cut off halfway through. So it is for living things. This is why I have worked so long to cultivate the spirit of uselessness. I was almost cut down several times but I have been able to attain a great level of uselessness and this has been very useful to me. If I had been more useful I would never have attained the great age that I have, and grown so large.
>“The two of us are similar. We are both just beings in the world. How is it that we go about judging other beings? You, an old and worthless man, about to die, how can you judge me and call me worthless?”
>Shih the carpenter awoke then and spent a long time lying in his bed trying to understand this strange dream. Later, when he shared his dream with his apprentice the young man said, “If this ancient tree is so interested in being useless why has it allowed itself to become part of the village shrine?”
>His master said, “It is only pretending to be a shrine. It is its way of protecting itself. Even though its timber is useless, if it were not a shrine it would have been cut down long ago. It is totally different from other trees. You cannot hope to understand it!”
Were Daoists the ultimate NEETs?

Bernd 09/22/2018 (Sat) 14:57:06 [Preview] No.19470 del
Today I watched TVBS report in Tibet

They first introduced the Qinghai-Tibet railway: The engineering challenges with the tundra, the efforts to make rooms for local animals, and how the train collects all the waste without polluting the environment. They also emphasized how the region is restricted, and that Taiwanese media needs permits and internal passports to report in the region.

They then reported on a government program of Planting trees to stop the desertification.
There were dark skinned Tibetan engineers working in a Greenhouse to incubate seedlings of a species. They say the greenhouse can accelerate the seedlings growth.
They also interviewed a local man who collect garbage and plant the seedlings around his village. The soil looked like soft sandstone.

They then visited Lhasa, and the reporters had bad altitude sickness. They reported that the 4G signal coverage was good up there and WeChat pay worked well.
For example they visited a mountain monument and there were some Tibetan guys collecting fees for photo. The business was done with WeChat pay.
They then visited a bottle water factory called 5100. The factory was by a glacier river at elevation of 5100m. They reported about how hard it was to set up a bottling plant and how it avoided draining.

Finally they reported in Lhasa. They showed a pearl milk tea shop, and interviewed a businessman from Inner Mongolia. The guy said all these tourists made Tibetans understand the beauty of their culture and now they have to market their culture. They also reported that Tibetans also visit the cafe to have British style milk tea. That's the end of the report.

Bernd 09/22/2018 (Sat) 15:26:38 [Preview] No.19471 del
Do you watch TV usually or only to write these reports?
I don't have TV and I think I'll never buy one.

Bernd 09/22/2018 (Sat) 15:37:42 [Preview] No.19472 del
I still watch tv regularly and try not to watch it too much.

The thing is if I want to write something about Taiwan I rely on tv reports.

Bernd 09/22/2018 (Sat) 19:08:17 [Preview] No.19482 del
Nod really. Supposedly Tao free you from suffering. NEETs on the other hand are the epitome of suffering not that if they weren't neets they wouldn't suffer.

>Planting trees to stop the desertification.
It's liek Dune.

How 'bout newspapers?

Bernd 09/22/2018 (Sat) 20:59:05 [Preview] No.19483 del
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>Supposedly Tao free you from suffering

Freeing you from suffering is more about Buddhism.

Tao is more about staying with your own nature and doing what is "right" in context of universal order of things I guess.


Not about Taiwan, but about China: recently our media got large story about Uigurs and Chinese social credit system, everyone in internet discussing it. That story paints pretty cyberpunkish and dystopian image about future of China and even other parts of world (because everyone would implement that thing eventually).

What about Taiwan? How that Chinese thing is viewed there, and are the plans to implement something like this?

Article is actually pretty interesting, may be good to read:


Bernd 09/22/2018 (Sat) 23:51:29 [Preview] No.19489 del
Aren't you also reporting about Chinese moving into Siberia and Vladivostok ? I heard that on our news program.
The social credit system is viewed negatively here. But the news doesn't give much coverage about it. It's mostly online discussion which are very negative and "racist"
The news didn't report much about uigurs either. The USA probably reported more about it but we didn't follow up. The online discussion doesn't give it positive lights because they hate Muslims. I guess they hate PRC minorities in general, because they got negative impression about them from how Han Chinese described them

The tv news are more interested in reporting the business opportunities and innovations in China. TVBS has a regular program about it. They also boasted china's WeChat pay as superior than Taiwanese development. The online discussion hates it and concluded that Taiwanese doesn't need mobile payment because Taiwan has a more complete and healthy infrastructure. They also cheered the bank run and bankruptcy of China's "p2p" mass financial investment system. They also cheered how Chinese government took no responsibility on the bankruptcy despite having promoted it earlier. They also cheered how a guy can get his social credit empty by criticizing goverment. Though I don't like heir negative attitudes, my opinions come from Komica and PTT.

The closest thing we have, directly inspired by their implementation is the holiday train ticket program. For holiday, and for some tourist districts, they require the purchase to be tied to national ID cards.
But that reminded me. We already have national ID card and we used to tie many services to it. But there has always been demands to avoid a centralized database, platform or coordination.
There is also a bank credit system. But they don't plan to expand it either.

Bernd 09/23/2018 (Sun) 03:13:30 [Preview] No.19491 del
Line Pay CM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VWIpBIXn44I [Embed]
This is a CM (ad)
A woman is caught up by her office clerk job, so she called her mother to pick her daughter from school (using Line app). Her mother told her she has already picked up the girl. the woman told her mother she had to work overtime, and would be late to come home, and hung up before her mother can tell her about the birthday party plan.
Later at night the woman is still working in the office. She checked her Line app and found that her mother and her daughter had sent her a message, reminding her that today was her birthday, and they had bought a cake for her. The woman felt their love, so she used the Line Pay service and paid her mother 520NTD (probably equal to the price of the cake, or the pronunciation of the number is similar to I love you). In the house, the mother had already put the little girl to sleep. She checked her Line and read about the payment and smiled.

Bernd 09/23/2018 (Sun) 06:29:27 [Preview] No.19492 del
The narrative is the same of all religions, well at least I would bet it's the same for all. We live in an undesirable state we want/have to move into a desirable state. Even Christianity: we lived in paradise but because of the sin we have to leave it so now we are stranded on this earthly life full of evil and suffering and only salvation can free us. Same with Taoism. All this wanting and struggling is wrong we just have to let it go and just exist then we will be happy. Frankly Buddhism and Taoism is the fucking same. But in it's core all religion is the smae.

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 04:18:29 [Preview] No.19514 del
The problem is in elsewhere then

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 13:59:47 [Preview] No.19520 del
I watched a Chinese movie called Battle of Memory. There are simplified Chinese on books. The tv channel blocked the original image and covered it with traditional Chinese. It looked ugly.

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 16:02:15 [Preview] No.19526 del
>Chinese social credit system
I think Hungarian media covered it as well. Something like "digital dictatorship" or something. I can very much imagine similar in Europe, maybe even several shade, liek in the west you could earn points by being PC and accept migrants, here by licking the boots of Fidesz oligarchs.
It's not a brand new topic tho I remember this maybe from last year.
I really despise China's attitude toward he Uighurs (and Tibet). They are proud steppe people and the Chinese should go back behind their walls, may the Great Mongol plunder their cities. Oh well.


Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 16:44:45 [Preview] No.19529 del
Yes that's the movie.

I am watching a talk show talking about a Taiwanese fishing boat being accused by Capetown authority of enslaving southeast Asian workers
They said the accusation is true. I should go to bed though.

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 17:13:11 [Preview] No.19532 del
I then watched a program interviewing a Hongkong old writer named Xi Xi. I only read one short story of hers. All people interviewed commented how small her home was and how Hongkong people lived in small apartments and how much has changed .

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 17:36:56 [Preview] No.19533 del
I used to read newspaper. China Times and united daily news. But their quality has declined. And i have also read Taipe Times . I don't do that anymore because cable tv news replaced them.
Yesterday I read Manrarin Daily though. It's still a great news paper. It's a news paper targeting school children and their teachers and parents.

Too bad it's also a KMT affiliated ill gotten asset, and had history of brainwashing Taiwanese kids with Chinese education.

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 17:53:53 [Preview] No.19535 del
I used to think all those ethnic minorities are just barbarians. I used like to read some stories about Chinese heroes defeating them.
Later I began to learn about their importance to China, Taiwan and the world. It's a theme Japanese and western media kept emphasizing.
We really imported many Japanese stuff about this topic

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 18:06:23 [Preview] No.19536 del
Go to bed. Tomorrow work. :^)

Bernd 09/24/2018 (Mon) 20:38:23 [Preview] No.19540 del
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>I used to think all those ethnic minorities are just barbarians.

Maybe you aren't really wrong.

t. northern barbarian

Bernd 09/25/2018 (Tue) 05:32:32 [Preview] No.19542 del
I think that's a good way to learn about the world. The first thing we should familiarize ourselves is us. Learn to love our own people and culture and at one point can come in the world itself, our place and relations to others, our history together. But it's important how these things are introduced to make the people appreciate other cultures instead of snub them.
War is just a tool to use and not a goal to achieve and it's right to use only when it's a necessity to achieve a goal and other ways are impossible. But then we have to see others are here and they'll remain and we have to deal and work with them. This only can be done if we don't forget our interests but know others' as well, if we love ourselves but appreciate others.
Hate is a strong force in time of war, makes easier to kill and work against the opponents. Propaganda cultivates it in every country as it is useful. However in peace it poisons the work, cooperation and interaction between nations and the people.

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 17:12:26 [Preview] No.19583 del
What kind of books does she write?

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 17:18:02 [Preview] No.19585 del
Today I hear about an interesting news.
Today a local government demolished part of a temple. The owner of the temple claimed to support reunification with China and was using it as a "communist education base". The government demolished it after it was reported by New York Times
I always avoided the report because it's full of patriotism and hate against China. But today I saw a talk show and finally heard from Mr Akira Chen, who supports the demolishing.
According to Chen, he respects the owner's call for reunification and PRC flag. But Chen said the real motive of the owner was to create political controversy to cover up and protect the Columbarium Pagoda he built which was considered an illegal building.

If, like Chen said, what matters is the building not sovereignty issue, that's probably better. Because in what I can see PRC doesn't have a market in Taiwan and most anti PRC arguments sound unhealthy to me.
Unfortunately the whole demolition issue is just unnecessarily politicized .

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 17:40:24 [Preview] No.19590 del
She wrote stories set in Hongkong, and a story about breast cancer. She seemed to imitate the style of children's books or fairy tales. For example she wrote about immigrants moving into a house but she personified the house.

I don't know I only read one short story written by her.

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 18:16:08 [Preview] No.19595 del
>swastikas in decoration
oy vey

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 18:39:02 [Preview] No.19599 del
It's a shame to see such a nice bulding being demolished, though.

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 18:52:32 [Preview] No.19600 del
Brebare your gasmask!

It's always interesting to read that outside Europe communists and religious institutions how well getting along.

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 19:29:42 [Preview] No.19605 del
>not Tengri

Bernd 09/26/2018 (Wed) 21:23:23 [Preview] No.19607 del
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Tengrism is partly assimilated into Buddhism in Mongolia nowadays, as far as I know. It is same thing like in Japan with Shintoism and Buddhism.

Considering that Buddhism is relatively abstract in context of gods, and Tengrism too, it looks like normal thing

Bernd 09/27/2018 (Thu) 05:17:15 [Preview] No.19609 del
Absolutely eretnek!

Bernd 09/27/2018 (Thu) 13:29:41 [Preview] No.19611 del
True, I guess Tengrism is pretty much just deism + ancestor worship so it's vague enough to work with anything.

Bernd 09/27/2018 (Thu) 15:07:27 [Preview] No.19612 del
I saw that kind of tent in chinese drama

Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 14:51:37 [Preview] No.19632 del
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There a documentary currently showing here where Michael Palin (one of the guys from Monty Python) is visiting North Korea, thought Bernd might be interseted:
(I don't know if this service works outside of the UK, but try it if you want)
This thread seems to be largely about discussing Asia so I guess it's appropriate here.

Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 15:11:08 [Preview] No.19633 del
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Island Slavs don't like continental Slavs I guess.

Bernd 10/01/2018 (Mon) 11:41:41 [Preview] No.19681 del
Maybe it's on Youtube or something? And there's always proxies too.

Bernd 10/01/2018 (Mon) 11:59:55 [Preview] No.19684 del
I'm VPN bong, all my traffic goes through VPN, they block most proxies, I can't find a way to stream media from those sites without bare IP.

Bernd 10/01/2018 (Mon) 12:03:46 [Preview] No.19685 del
Not that I would want to anyway.



Bernd 10/01/2018 (Mon) 13:07:47 [Preview] No.19687 del
It's not like you're missing much anyway, UK TV is shit tier 99% of the time.

Bernd 10/01/2018 (Mon) 16:25:12 [Preview] No.19692 del
Couldn't watch either but I thought it's some live stream or something.

>This thread seems to be largely about discussing Asia so I guess it's appropriate here.
It's fine but we have a Koryo Watch Threda as well.

Bernd 10/02/2018 (Tue) 11:39:42 [Preview] No.19701 del
Just use the torrent links that guy posted if you're interested. Also I'm too lazy to use the catalog most of the time tbh fam.

Bernd 10/03/2018 (Wed) 08:50:49 [Preview] No.19713 del
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today I watched a tourism show about Huangshan (Yellow Mountain). It's a documentary made by CCTV and Anhui Satellite TV. There is a copy uploaded by a tourism agency.
In this part, 40:08, it introduced Mr. Hu, a forestry guard. His job is to watch the Greeting Pine, a chinese landmark. During snow storm he has to put scaffolds to hold the tree and watch over it the whole night. It's a national scenic area, so there are many infrastructure built on the mountain.

I watched it from a very boring hour on Videoland channel. I think maybe half of the channel's programs are made by different channels in Mainland.

Like most CCTV programs I saw, it has a low male voice over. The camera focuses on the "majestic" Chinese landmarks, and says that some workers worked hard to maintain the national scenic area. It also says the mountain is very famous among chinese poets and painters.

Bernd 10/03/2018 (Wed) 09:05:31 [Preview] No.19714 del
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Later I saw a Korean movie called The Romantic President (2002). It's a romantic comedy about president of South Korea falls in love with his daughter's teacher.
It's an old movie. It has been shown many times on a very marginalized channel. When I saw it before, I thought it's just imitating Hollywood movies. I forgot that the president was once an authoritative figure in south korean society, and that taiwanese people once pointed to this korean movie as the reason why korean movie industry can surpass taiwan, because they dared making fun of the president.

The president was positively described as a likable father. So there was nothing provocative in the movie. I even notice that he has good handwriting of Chinese characters. As people here often said, for a politician to be popular in China and Taiwan, he must have good handwriting of Chinese characters, even though most regular people write poorly.

Bernd 10/03/2018 (Wed) 13:40:32 [Preview] No.19715 del
Today's useless news
1. The fire mentioned in >>18453 is now attributed to electric appliance brought by the patient and his visitors. The hospitals will now enforce the ban on patients' electric appliances
2. The magistrate of an eastern county is now sent to prison for the crime of bribery. He has been a popular magistrate and held the office for a decade
3. A 15 yo young man was beaten to death by his coworkers. The man was abandoned by his parents and had to work, but his coworkers killed him in a quarrel. The man was a Indonesian-Taiwanese

Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 00:31:12 [Preview] No.19725 del
1. A technician attacked with knife and wounded his female coworker, a surgeon, in a major medical center. He then go to a police station to turn himself in. Before the attack, the man posted a video recording online to complain that the workload arranged by the hospital management. The hospital said to the press the technician is mentally disturbed but no one believes them.
2. An Indonesian fishing worker is sentenced to imprisonment for killing another Indonesian worker onbaoard a Taiwanese fishing vessel. The man said they were fighting each other over workload arrangement. The Taiwanese judge admonished the man that since both the accused and the victim were Indonesian overseas workers, he should be more sympathetic with the victim.

Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 00:36:42 [Preview] No.19726 del
>posted a video recording online
It should be a voice recording. He recorded an argument he had with the management.

Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 16:49:54 [Preview] No.19743 del
>As people here often said, for a politician to be popular in China and Taiwan, he must have good handwriting of Chinese characters,
What's the expectation toward those who are from the other parts of the planet, like Europe or 'Murrica?

These posts about murder made me wonder why my compatriots are killing each other when they do. Maybe I'll look it up.

Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 18:19:45 [Preview] No.19753 del
It's hard to tell. I never thought about this. For chairman of American Institute in Taiwan we hope the guy to speak perfect mandarin and Taiwanese and to know some stories about Taiwan. It's hard to say what expectation Taiwanese have for US officials that can be compared to the handwriting thing.

When speaking of handwriting, you can associate it with the Chinese high culture of collecting and appreciating celebrity handwriting. Now that literacy is 99%, the discussion about handwriting has became more popular.

Last year there was a post comparing the handwriting of Chinese President and Japanese prime minister, and implied the Japanese was the rightful successor of Chinese culture.

Since korea and Vietnam have changed their writing system, I guess we stopped including them in our handwriting competition.

Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 15:28:01 [Preview] No.19784 del
Another interesting example is that people say Mao Zedong's poems and handwriting are better than Chiang Kaishek.
According to the communist , the Chinese Classical literature, down to every character, are elitist, and inaccessible to Chinese people. So they said only simplified and vernacular writing can win support of general people.
But in fact, Chiang's writing were simple and plain and boring, while Mao's poems followed traditional measure, and they became famous, popular, and became an important part of his charisma.

Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 15:43:01 [Preview] No.19785 del
Here for a foreigner it's enough if he/she tries to speak some word in Hungarian. We really can appreciate the effort.
For an official, such as a diplomat I think it would be nice to know our history, culture and understand our viewpoint - which isn't really a precise measurement and can be very subjective I have to say.

Interesting, in Cuba, the source of charisma is (was) the beard.

Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 16:20:55 [Preview] No.19787 del
I saw a weird movie called Jade Pendant
It seemed to be written by Chinese Americans and most actors are Chinese Americans I guess. They seemed to make the part of Chinese dubbing with mainland Chinese voice actors. But the dialogue sound like they were translated from an English original. The movie looked quite different from the Taiwanese or mainland movies I saw. So I guess American Chinese really are a people of their own.

Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 16:41:57 [Preview] No.19845 del
I heard that once Chinese people didn't use chair and they sit on floor. The chair was introduced to China by nomad people (Turks), and wasn't widely adopted until Song Dynasty.

I can't comprehend this importance of this fact for a while. I guess that means Chinese civilization didn't invent everything and learned a lot from neighbors

Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 16:48:44 [Preview] No.19848 del
Horse has four legs, suitable for sitting.
Chair has four legs, suitable for sitting.

Bernd 10/10/2018 (Wed) 14:11:39 [Preview] No.19953 del
I am watching a program talking about pig farmers demanding government enforce policies to block swine fever.
They demand tougher import restirctions, and ban using unprocessed kitchen waste to feed pigs
The pig farmers are worried.

Bernd 10/10/2018 (Wed) 18:22:43 [Preview] No.19963 del
They found dead boars infected with this on the Hungary few days ago. At least I think it's the same disease, we call it swine plague.

Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 01:38:25 [Preview] No.19969 del
I don't think boars can swim across the sea. All we have to do is to ban visitors walking into pig sty.
I wonder if boars can cross Russian border to east European countries.

The pig farmers are making the same speeches again. We spent so much time and money to clear the foot and mouth disease so we must not get infected again

Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 05:35:37 [Preview] No.19972 del
They don't swim. The illness spreads from animal to animal or through other medium liek arthropods I guess. For example parasitic ones.

Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 05:36:38 [Preview] No.19973 del
I change my mind. Actually they might swim but not through seas and oceans.

Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 07:34:46 [Preview] No.19974 del
Is there really only One China?

Do you think China is playing the long con in a way with the Taiwan situation in that they just keep freezing them out of international recognition and hoping that eventually the younger Taiwanese just won't give a shit in a generation or two

Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 16:20:41 [Preview] No.19977 del
Aren't they doing that since the beginning? Doesn't seem working.

Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 13:54:14 [Preview] No.19995 del
The program I watched said the virus can survive in uncooked pork product. It can survive in frozen raw pork for a year. Since we feed pork with kitchen waste (table leftover) the virus can be spread if a piece of infected scrap meat is fed to pigs.
That's why the pig farmers demand government to process all kitchen waste in a centralized way. They also demand cracking down on import and smuggling of raw pork from China.
There is an interesting ham product. It's an important ingredient of expensive Chinese soup. For authentic taste you are supposed to import it from China. But that's banned now.

They also locked their pig sty down

Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 14:04:42 [Preview] No.19996 del
I sometimes watch a Chinese tv period costume drama.
This drama was made by inner mongolian city. It was set in 18th century Inner Mongolia. The main character is a Chinese caravan merchant. He was a porter. He followed the Chinese army to Mongolia, and befriended other ethnic groups and became a big businessman.
The show featured landscape and actors of the region and they spoke some Mongolian language.
Solidarity of nationalities I guess.

Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 14:24:10 [Preview] No.19997 del
I sometimes envy those people on internet. They seemed to be very knowledgeable on "history". History in general. histories of many regions. War history. I envy them. But when I read about history I guess I am only learning from them.
I am quite ignorant of Europe. Or any other topics in history.

Bernd 10/15/2018 (Mon) 05:35:16 [Preview] No.20053 del
That's the worst impersonation I've ever seen.

Bernd 10/17/2018 (Wed) 22:57:48 [Preview] No.20145 del
Only recently did I learn one basic thing about Mazu procession.
In this ritual, one branch temple would organize a march to the "mother temple" which was the original temple. The it was the branch temple paying tribute to the original temple. (There is another kind of procession. )

Another thing I just learned is that the Zhenlan palace temple in Taichung which I thought to be biggest, wasn't always the most "prestigious" temple. It seems they had organized their PR well so I had that impression.

Such a thing is common sense to most Taiwanese people. But I was duped by the temple because I only listen to the PR campaigns.

Bernd 10/18/2018 (Thu) 05:07:27 [Preview] No.20146 del
Appearance can be deceptive.

Bernd 10/18/2018 (Thu) 14:58:38 [Preview] No.20156 del
Today I watched a strange documentary recounting a controversy.

in central Taiwan, there is a naphtha cracker plant and there has been an old conflict that has been dividing the people. There are a pro plant camp and a con camp.
Now a report says an elementary school near the plant is polluted with carcinogens. The anti camp and the government ordered the shool to relocate. But the pro camp resisted the relocation. They don't believe the report.

Since I always read news from Taipei I always assumed local people oppose the plant and demand the relocation. I read the news without understanding its content: the parents and local residents refused the relocation and didn't believe that report. Besides the school is better equipped and the kids are more comfortable there. Less bullying than in the relocated school. Many local residents also work in the plant.

Bernd 10/19/2018 (Fri) 11:37:07 [Preview] No.20165 del
So you don't speak the language that most people in your country speak, how so?

Bernd 10/20/2018 (Sat) 14:56:06 [Preview] No.20177 del
There was a policy to promote mandarin and ban Taiwanese in school when I was in school. Now they want to reverse that policy.

The American movie about moon landing will come to Taiwan. In Taiwan there is also a Russian movie called Salyut-7 being shown. The screening and publicity are all of a much smaller scale.
There will be also another Japanese drama about a rocket making company. Not really interested in any of them though.

Bernd 10/20/2018 (Sat) 16:18:02 [Preview] No.20180 del
By the sound of it those American and Russian movies probably have propagandistic overtone. Both country can be very proud on their space stuff.
>ban Taiwanese in school
Can they do that in the Free World? Apparently Ukraine can ban anything minority related but Ukraine hardly the Free World.

Bernd 10/20/2018 (Sat) 16:20:41 [Preview] No.20181 del
Btw do you remeber what was the pic in your OP? Because if you upload it again it will fix it.

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 11:51:45 [Preview] No.20196 del
>tfw monolingual pleb

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 12:11:21 [Preview] No.20198 del
A bullet train derailed in Taiwan. A shamefur dispray.

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 12:17:53 [Preview] No.20200 del
Learn Hungarian, it's pretty easy all little children learn it here.

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 14:35:41 [Preview] No.20204 del
When the KMT government did that it wasn't qualified as a democratic government despite it was in the "Free World" camp with USA.
The policy is one of major reasons why most Taiwanese hate KMT

And I think I have deleted the op picture from my phone.

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 14:44:31 [Preview] No.20205 del
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Honestly I've realised that learning a language is pointless unless you have an opportunity to use it irl. I actually used to speak pretty good French but forgot how at some point for that reason. Same with Esperanto as I found out that its only use is talking to gommies in shitty IRC rooms. Maybe next time I should try Japanese and just use it for animu and vidya gaems like /jp/ autists.

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 14:44:45 [Preview] No.20206 del
It's just a regular train.

However it stirred up much ethnic hate among Chinese users. Lots of ethnic groups laugh at this train wreck.

It's hard to define the average opinions of a certain population. But it's safe to say that the extremists from one region would laugh at the other region's disaster. The other region's extremists would try to get it even next time.

All these have to do with politics of reunification and independence.

Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 20:36:17 [Preview] No.20212 del
Taiwan is a complicated place.
Never mind then.

Move abroad, you'll have a reason to learn and use a foreign tongue.

Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 14:04:59 [Preview] No.20248 del
It would be better if you find someone to use the language face to face. Or maybe combine it with some other topics you are interested. But of course it's difficult to do.

I watched a tourism show. They sent a young female Taiwanese host to Cambodia to interview a mine sweeping team. The team trained a mouse to sniff out mines. They recorded the reaction and gesture of the mouse and sent a suited guy to dig out the mine. They also showed palm sugar and fried crickets.

Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 14:41:53 [Preview] No.20249 del
I then watched an interview talk show about experience of studying in mainland.
A reporter said the life standard over there improved a lot. And younger Taiwanese can blend in faster than older men. And he said that now unlike years ago Chinese teachers would not give Taiwanese students preferential treatment. They are all treated equally. So the recent impression that Chinese professors let Taiwanese students pass easily is wrong.
A parent said she is ok with her son becoming a physician in mainland, because saving people is saving people. There is no national boundary..

Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 15:46:35 [Preview] No.20250 del
langlets, when will they learn

Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 05:29:30 [Preview] No.20260 del
>mine sweeping
>in Cambodia
That will keep them busy for a while.
Surprising technique with the mice, kudos for them.

>There is no national boundary.
Especially since both Chinese group (mainlander and Taiwanese) thinks the two country is actually one, the only difference is in the opinion on who should rule it, isn't it.

Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 07:37:24 [Preview] No.20261 del
Why would anyone go and study in a country with a more restrictive regime?

Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 16:54:25 [Preview] No.20275 del
Kinda hard when you're a poorfag. I was even once offered a place on one of those "teach English in China" courses but couldn't afford it.

Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 18:48:23 [Preview] No.20276 del
Oh, you have to pay for those? I figured that it was a decent way to make a little money and get to see one of those Asian countries. Figured you'd make enough money to at least offset the tourist aspects of it.

Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 19:32:02 [Preview] No.20278 del
Here it's quite common to find jobs in foreign countries. Surprisingly few of them learn the language even after lengthy (years) stay. Well of course they pick up some expressions but can't communicating as one would expect. So maybe it wasn't great idea from my part to suggest the moving anyway.
But this: >>20276 I also would think those type of deals enable one to support himself financially.

Bernd 10/26/2018 (Fri) 12:29:37 [Preview] No.20288 del
Of course you would make some money from the job itself, but there's an initial cost for the course plus the flight cost etc which I couldn't afford at the time.

Bernd 10/26/2018 (Fri) 16:14:45 [Preview] No.20292 del
In that show, the mother is a famous teacher and her two sons are from CKHS the top high school and Med NTU the top medical school.
The mother said they encouraged the son to become a doctor in China because it's a job of saving people and he could save more people and see more special cases in China.

There are also other incentives outside that talk show. China has good chances to start up an IT company. It has the market who are open to new IT, the IT talents, the infrastructure, and some investors. The politics is a problem but not always. That's what I heard from another program.
Actually the reason they brought that out in that show is because there are many opinions insisting that young people should support this country.

Bernd 10/26/2018 (Fri) 16:52:14 [Preview] No.20295 del
Today I saw a documentary about an reconnaissance pilot. In 1960s the ROCAF flew U2 airplanes for US CIA to take pictures of places in China. two pilos were shot down and captured in China. The ROC government claimed they were dead. They were released during cultural revolution, and one pilot visited his mother in his hometown in China. In 1980s they went to Hong Kong. But ROC military felt having POWs was a shame so they didn't let them return.
The CIA allowed them to stay in USA.
The ROC military and government finally accepted them in 90s when old generalissimo died and when the relation with China improved. They reunited with their families in Taiwan.

They also interviewed a mainland historian. He is interested in the photos collected by US because it recorded some landscape of China

Bernd 10/26/2018 (Fri) 16:57:37 [Preview] No.20297 del
I got the president wrong. It was Chiang Ching-Kuo who died in 1987. Not the old generalissimo.

Bernd 10/27/2018 (Sat) 15:19:59 [Preview] No.20313 del
I knew about the instance when an U2 was shot down over Russia, I'm surprised Taiwanese also flew them for the CIA. I wonder why US couldn't do it for herself.

Bernd 10/27/2018 (Sat) 15:48:44 [Preview] No.20316 del
The Taiwanese program began after the Soviet shot down the American pilot
The program i saw said it was because the Americans didn't want to risk Americans. And the ROC was very interested to collaborate.
But the China was also very vigilant.

I don't know. Sometimes it's shameful. Sometimes it's very proud. The people who are interviewed felt proud. But later there were also opposition.

Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 13:56:41 [Preview] No.20329 del
Today I saw a korean news program. They are talking about edible insects in several countries. They are promoting it for environmentally friendly farming again.
This time they ground the insects into meat paste. I think I am more ok with that. I hate the accidental insects in my foods

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There were also interesting story about Soviets and China/Taiwan.

Soviet tanker "Tuapse" was seized by Taiwanese fleet in 1954 when Taiwan blockaded China. Tanker was one of civilian ships that were used for supplying China in blockade times.

From Soviet side ship's operation was pretty bad managed - if warships would been escort it, Taiwanese fleet wouldn't try to hijack, but ship was alone. There were some discussions in historian community but no simple reason for this was found.

Ship's crew was treated pretty rough. 20 of seamen then requested asylum in USA, 29 gone back. Some of those who gone to USA also returned to USSR later, few of them were jailed. Some of non-returned then gone to Brasil and Uruguay, some remained in USA (two of them even joined to US army).

Three persons rejected previously signed asylum request (they said it was made under pressure) and were jailed in Taiwan for 35 years (7 years in jail and other at house arrest).

Couldn't easily find good link in English about that incident, only something like this: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/soviet-taiwanese-relations-during-the-early-cold-war

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 17:59:53 [Preview] No.20366 del
Good story. I hope Taiwanese Bernd can give info from the ROC side of things. I don't expect him to make some deep research but maybe he can look up some easily accessible articles or know something about this blockade and the circumstances.

Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 21:54:50 [Preview] No.20372 del
You are right I have no idea about this. And this is a readily available blog article about the ROC Navy
The says before the Tuapse, ROC navy had taken two Polish ships, and imprisoned the Chinese crew and later heavily imprisoned them for 20 years. So I guess when we imprisoned the soviets we were following this pattern.

The article said that ROC navy used CIA information to catch this ship and the ship was carrying jet airplane fuel. Finally it says the soviets we imprisoned longer were under "political asylum". It didn't say much about their treatment.

The China has some more general reports about this
It says the Taupse was carrying a ship of kerosene that China desperately needed. It says the ship was reported by a CIA spy in Hong Kong. The spy was a Russian from Tsar Russia. It also described the ROC navy as some barbarians.
Don't know anything more about it

Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 06:52:28 [Preview] No.20376 del
Thanks. It seems the vessels carried supplies what had both civilian and military use and the US helped accordingly to the Truman Doctrine.
I wonder if the "political asylum" was asked by the soviet crews or forced on them by their captors. While life were better in the "declining West" and their allies Soviet indoctrination run deep.

Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 16:17:08 [Preview] No.20381 del
I think that's just our government making up statements for the prisoners.
We also claimed the PRC POW from Korean War want to come to Taiwan. And many other things.

Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 18:18:41 [Preview] No.20383 del
Sounds plausible then.

Bernd 10/31/2018 (Wed) 15:03:29 [Preview] No.20387 del
I heard about a movie about Serbia in 2000 after the war.
It must be strange to have a former communist state after Soviet Union dissolved.
I heard about them a lot but never really got interested about how they lived through that period.

Here in Taiwan we are worrying about China. Its communist state didn't end. And its economy seemed to be good after Soviet Union dissolved. So we didn't feel about the period in that way.

Bernd 11/04/2018 (Sun) 15:30:35 [Preview] No.20442 del
A strange program about West Virginia coal miners.

Bernd 11/04/2018 (Sun) 16:38:06 [Preview] No.20443 del
Why is it strange?

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 14:19:33 [Preview] No.20457 del
China is my gateway to understand other countries.
If I had really learned about china

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 22:30:41 [Preview] No.20466 del
Today's useless news
One university is approved by government to be downgraded to nursing vocational college.
They have a negative report. Some foreign students they admitted, and for whom they guaranteed the visa , were reported to be missing and working illegally in Taiwan. The school claimed they know nothing about it and that the students never worked for the school.
Now the students are found and interviewed by newspaper. They are Sri Lankan's. They claimed to be tricked by a HR agency who told them they can study a university degree in Taiwan for free. But once they came to Taiwan the agency told them they must work in a chicken slaughterhouse before they can go to school. The school in fact listed them as missing people. They will probably get deported.

Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 16:31:51 [Preview] No.20473 del
That's like kidnapping and slavery.
Imagine being that mark who arrives from god knows where and got told he has to work first and forced to do so because they played on their precarious financial situation, they were baited with free education so probably didn't have the means to go back or something. Or were they so naive to believe they really will be able to study at that uni after they worked their time?

Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 03:14:15 [Preview] No.20480 del
Who knows. Maybe they came to work but claimed to be tricked. Maybe they had different arrangement.

The news was publicized by private schools union. In Taiwan the public schools have better prestige and equipments. So staff and teachers of private schools often complained being exploited by the management and government. But they don't get much attention because people like to hear news from prestigious schools.

Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 03:18:17 [Preview] No.20481 del
Oh and they won't be immediately deported. The school says it takes their words for it and believes they are legitimate students. Since they didn't show up they don't have to pay for the first semester either. But the school expects them to come to class and pay for the following semesters.

Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 06:18:50 [Preview] No.20482 del
>So staff and teachers of private schools often complained being exploited by the management and government
Somewhat similar case here. For some news sources say schools are understaffed and the system would need up to 3500 teachers. But many of the institutions claiming it's fine. They just forcing the teachers to do serious overtime work.

Bernd 11/12/2018 (Mon) 16:45:57 [Preview] No.20556 del
Today I watched a televised debate about nuclear energy. It sounds very professional.

I wonder if this is what democratic country feels like

Bernd 11/13/2018 (Tue) 06:14:48 [Preview] No.20558 del
Does Taiwan has nuclear power plant? Or this was a debate on the use in general - because for example China has nukes on her own, and of course Chosun.

Bernd 11/13/2018 (Tue) 14:51:56 [Preview] No.20559 del
We have built a new plant. But the environmentalists protested and shut it down. But this year there is another group who wants to turn it on.
This month we will have our major election and a referendum to start it.
So the debate last night was a debate on starting the plant.

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So after WWII the military RnD experience a little setback then things started to look better: as the member of "Peace Camp", Hungary had to maintain oversized military and there were enough space for developing for sure. The hard hardware we got from the Soviet, after the War there was more than enough to go around, we even got stuff the US shipped to them with the land lease, like the Dodge Weapon Carrier, or Dodge Vippon as how our soldiers referred to it. So the research was usually limited to the field of electronics (e.g. radio, radar, infrared imaging), nuclear defense or the problems of serial production of soviet licensed war material. But sometimes there were niches to be filled, like the absence of recon vehicle.
So in the '60s they developed the D-442 Felderítő Úszú Gépkocsit (FÚG), because the CCCP said they won't deliver to noone in Warsaw Pact their BRDM-1 and the allied countries have to solve their problems on their own. It was a light amphibious vehicle with infra night vision and very weak armament as the top was openable in a way that nothing could been mounted there. In fact I can't recognize any weapons on it by the pictures.

Bernd 11/13/2018 (Tue) 18:39:37 [Preview] No.20562 del
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Oh fugg. I wanted to post this into the Tank Thread. kek. Sorry.

Bernd 11/13/2018 (Tue) 18:50:55 [Preview] No.20565 del
So this could be a pivotal topic during the major election?
I read an article that electricity prices are going up and here now even the opposition who criticized the government in the question of expansion of the Paks NPP think it would be a good idea to build up more our nuclear electricity production.

Bernd 11/13/2018 (Tue) 23:23:58 [Preview] No.20568 del
Not exactly. Because the campaigning is more about political stars. None of them touched this issue.
In theory since DPP is anti nuclear it should be profitable for KMT to be pro nuclear. But the KMT mayor of the region where the 3 nuclear plants are located is also "mildly" anti nuclear, so KMT isn't very active on pro nuclear

The topic is not very popular because there is no strong will to restart the plant.
no problem.

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 06:13:23 [Preview] No.20594 del
Personally you, how do you feel about the topic, would you start the plant or not?

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 15:00:24 [Preview] No.20598 del
Yes I guess because it's such a waste
The anti nuclear arguements didn't really convince me but the pro nuclear camp did.
1. The nuclear plant looks safe enough. The anti camp can't convince me it's not safe by saying that it took too long, it involved too many contractors, or too few tests.
2. The plant is closer to power consumers. It can relieve the long distance grid and other plants in the south.
3. I feel brown outs more often now
4. I don't believe renewable energy is the solution
5. I don't know where to put the waste. Orchid Island seems very resistant to it. But I guess it's solvable.
In finally analysis the anti camp said: using the cheap power to supply industrial growth is the thing of past. We should shut down industries to save power. I don't know about this. I can feel the job I am doing isn't necessary. But I don't know what to do if they shut it down.

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 15:10:07 [Preview] No.20599 del
Today I watched a documentary about an independent candidate.
He is anti nuclear and anti land development. I know about the land development project and have been there several times.
I always felt there is something strange about that road. Now I know it's because the road was built for the new project and it cut across the old settlement.

Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 17:12:53 [Preview] No.20604 del
But from cheap power people also could benefit who could spend the money otherwise, maybe the could influence positively the standard of living. Also the access money could be invested into renewables on the long run.

Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 14:13:41 [Preview] No.20707 del
Today's news.
1. As the prospect of electronic products is bad, Foxconn is expected to dismiss 100k employees. This is a big cut my job might be impacted.
2. A high school student was angry that he didn't pass a license exam so he stabbed his teacher and jumped off floor.
3. It's 10 PM here now. So the election campaign is officially closed. This long month is like a long festival, a long rock concert.
The rally in Kaohsiung tonight is estimated to have 400k people! (I doubt it)

In these two weeks the PTS dinner show featured homosexual couple. Because PTS supports the same sex marriage referendum tomorrow.

Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 17:36:40 [Preview] No.20711 del
>my job might be impacted.
I'm sorry to hear that. 100K is a damn fucking lot.
When will be the election? Tomorrow? On Sunday? The referendum and the election take place on the same day?
What's the rally is about?

Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 18:07:10 [Preview] No.20713 del
Today I read useless news about Taiwan in the most serious Swiss newspaper. Apparently Taiwan is now even more democratic than Switzerland and have to vote on 10 referendums and for representatives of 9 different local administrative levels at the same time. Meanwhile in Switzerland I just have 3 referendums to vote for (one of them is to make cow horns mandatory in the constitution) this weekend, really weak. Taiwan changed the law that made popular referendums much easier by lowering the amount of necessary signatures needed and lowered the quorum from 50% to 25%. Isn't it a bit stupid to vote on so important things all at the same time from homosex to nuclear energy?
Source in German:

Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 18:43:13 [Preview] No.20715 del
Zehn Referendumme? Sehr Demokratisch.
Of course the constitution needs cow horns. The more the better.
Fun fact: when I try to read out loud something in German it sounds like a Hitler parody.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 00:48:20 [Preview] No.20723 del
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>Foxconn is expected to dismiss 100k employees

Wow, that's big. I never thought that company is so big so it could lay off 100k of people and continue to function properly, but wiki says that there is ~800k employees at Foxconn.

For comparison, giant companies like General Motors or Ford have ~200k overall, and their business (automobiles) are less "high-tech" than Foxconn's.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 03:39:07 [Preview] No.20724 del
Though I don't work in Foxconn I take the news as a general index of economy. I also suspect Foxconn is using iPhone sales as an excuse to upgrade its assembly lines with automation robots.
According to Chinese people, Foxconn works like other big groups in China. They all have a million employees each. But still a 100k cut would affect it.

As the report said, this referendum is an unexpected consequence of lowering the bar. It was lowered back then in a partisan struggle as a political gesture. But it's consequence is showing this year.
It creates tons of extra work. The CEC used to be an important but less engaged agency now it has to answer questions on media daily. They have to explain why they blocked the KMT party asset referendum.

In every polling station the workload doubled. We order middle and elementary school teachers to do the job, because they were like civil servants. But this year we cut their pension so they refused to help with the referendum votes. So CEC has to hire extras.

As the "serious and important" topics are involved, many people find the legal jargons on the votes difficult. But they don't say they themselves find it difficult. They say they worry that the older people can't understand it. They point to the disabled and illiterate older people. And they would "worry" about their votes.

I wonder why they don't point at the "new immigrants" and ask can they understand the formal Chinese questions, or ask them whom they vote for. I am really curious about why. I think people are very sensitive toward the immigrants.

people complain that referendum votes are holding up the queues. They will also prolong the counting process. In last election we already sped it up to 4 hours.
And in the end the legal binding of the referendum is controversial.

As I vote today I went to a local school. There I met my neighbors whom I haven't seen for years. Voting makes me feel like I live in the neighborhood. I also observe this school that I rarely visit. The room and equipments has been upgraded a lot and so are the curriculum and activities posters. I can tell that the new generation is taught with things I didn't and still don't know about, but which they will take it for common sense. Because the queue was long so I had time to check them.

I feel that the whole country is doing the same thing with me so it makes me feel I am part of it. It's a strange feeling like a ritual. Even though when you think about it it's that really like that. The foreign workers are out there too. And we didn't really do anything.
It feels like a big and noisy religious festival is coming to a quiet end. But no they will have another night rally tonight.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 03:44:20 [Preview] No.20725 del
>Even though when you think about it it's not really like that. The foreign workers are out there too. And we didn't really do anything

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 04:04:22 [Preview] No.20726 del
Oh and I forgot. There are people who don't vote. And there are people who...

Let me start another story then. Personally I respect people's attitude toward voting. But I have people I like and I don't like. When people I don't like describe their attitude toward voting I always disagree with them.
For example there is this guy I like. He is quite a character and he said:"when I got my vote I stamped on the heads (photos) of all candidates hard because fuck them all". And I respect that because I like him. Or when I saw an old and demented elder casted his vote (with lots of help from a domestic caretaker from Southeast Asia, who legally isn't allowed to be even near the polling station) I think it's a good excercise for him to stretch his legs and to feel connected to the society.

Then there are people who are more critical about the whole system. They have less positive opinions when they describe elders who appear demented casting their votes. I don't like them. But like they said, the voting really isn't a sacred ritual.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 09:27:58 [Preview] No.20729 del
Meanwhile here everyone gasps in horror if a multi or a state cans 300 (three hundred) people.
Although I don't think even biggest factories of the socialism had over 100K employees. Maybe Csepel (an island with factory complex in south Budapest) was that big. And probably the shock of the mass dismissals of the workers around 1990 when these factories were closed or privatized is still the source of the touchiness of our day in this topic.

>But they don't say they themselves find it difficult.
>They point to the disabled and illiterate older people. And they would "worry" about their votes.
I know this behaviour although I observed it in different situations. It's very typical for women but I noticed men do this too. When a person wants something, let's say she's hungry, and she has company - boyfriend for example - and instead saying: "I'm hungry, I'll eat, want some?", she says: "Aren't you hungry?" or "Would you like to eat?" And the unsuspecting company who isn't hungry says he isn't and moves on with his thoughts, then she gets upset because he doesn't think about she might be and how inconsiderate he is...
They think they're doing this because they are caring, but the reality is they do this for selfish reasons: they never ask when they don't have that particular need only when it arises and then want to mask their intention to satisfy their need by appearing caring. It's not conscious behaviour tho.
The fun part is that with a pal we talked about this phenomenon and since then I not just noticed I do it sometimes but he does it as well, even with me.
It's similar. The Pride of those people you mentioned don't allow them to admit their confusion and look stupid so they pin it on others and try to show themselves as wise and considerate persons who care about others shortcomings.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 11:57:17 [Preview] No.20733 del
I read those comments from a certain board. Today it's worse than ever. Because the KMT won the election. So young people openly blame old people for the result.
Objectively speaking all media reported that it takes much longer to cast the referendum votes. young posters believe old people stalled the voting and caused long queue that discouraged young voters.
Young posters openly blame older people with or without the elections

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 12:32:57 [Preview] No.20735 del
So KMT gained the upper hand?
So demographically older people are more prone to cast their vote on KMT and the younger generations are more for DPP?
Also it's silly to blame the old, would these youngsters deny their right to have a say in the countries fate?
Here it's also fashionable to dish the blame on them. I also feel this whole election thing is highly dramatized, people are overly emotional over the results and see the future doomed if not the party won they support.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 13:03:19 [Preview] No.20737 del
Like ILBE and 2ch and perhaps 4chan too. Their hate is more extreme than regular people.

Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 15:28:07 [Preview] No.20739 del
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That's a pretty normal behaviour of disappointed angry people who go through the different stages of anger.

Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 23:18:55 [Preview] No.20771 del
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But "well fug" is an emotional, not rational response.

Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 06:17:33 [Preview] No.20776 del
With the Finnish level of autism their emotional responses are rational ones.

Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 13:51:14 [Preview] No.20778 del
I missed one news item

So there was this 2 or 3 yo boy who starved to death. It seems this is a case of negligence of the mother.
I think this is like what scholars said, our society doesn't offer help to single and underaged mothers. But when media report about it, all these difficulties become kind of evidence or crimes to prove that her negligence caused the death of the boy.
Later the mother and her boyfriend held funeral for the boy and a bunch of irrelevant people who heard about the incendent from news showed up to scald the mother. When the media reported about it they emphasized on the mother's indifference.

I know some people are not fit to be parents. But the way we treat this event isn't very good.

Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 14:47:11 [Preview] No.20779 del
I missed one news item

So there was this 2 or 3 yo boy who starved to death. It seems this is a case of negligence of the mother.
I think this is like what scholars said, our society doesn't offer help to single and underaged mothers. But when media report about it, all these difficulties become kind of evidence or crimes to prove that her negligence caused the death of the boy.
Later the mother and her boyfriend held funeral for the boy and a bunch of irrelevant people who heard about the incendent from news showed up to scald the mother. When the media reported about it they emphasized on the mother's indifference.

I know some people are not fit to be parents. But the way we treat this event isn't very good.

Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 14:59:06 [Preview] No.20780 del
>showed up to scald the mother. When the media reported about it they emphasized on the mother's indifference.

This one weighs the same as a duck!

Bernd 11/27/2018 (Tue) 15:24:36 [Preview] No.20821 del
Sorry. I got the English wrong. It's scold. Not scald.
They only yelled at her. They didn't touch her.

Bernd 11/27/2018 (Tue) 16:39:45 [Preview] No.20822 del

Bernd 11/28/2018 (Wed) 09:41:45 [Preview] No.20838 del
Hope you are doing well.

Bernd 12/03/2018 (Mon) 19:42:33 [Preview] No.20997 del
It's hard to judge true without knowing the circumstances but people reading news reacts easily and fast. Maybe they are wrong maybe not, we won't know the truth. Maybe she really run out of options maybe she was too stupid or underinformed to recognize them or maybe she realy didn't care which also happens. But really if the members of the community would look after more to each other the whole situation could have been avoided. Even if they couldn't help her or guide to a solution even then they could intervene in time and take the child into state care (which ain't the greatest thing but at least the boy wouldn't starve to death).

Bernd 12/14/2018 (Fri) 16:04:18 [Preview] No.21267 del
Today's useless news...
Apple is taking hit between USA and China trade war. Taiwanese supply Chien is affected.
After the election the election news is more popular than ever. They are ramping up for 2020

The news about preventing African swine fever is worse than ever. Every day the custom reports they find smuggled pork product that is tested positive of swine virus. They try to imply that China intentionally smuggled virus to infect Taiwanese industry.

Bernd 12/14/2018 (Fri) 16:16:15 [Preview] No.21270 del
How popular pig meat in Taiwan? I heard both Chinese and Japanese are big porkers.

Bernd 12/15/2018 (Sat) 14:45:51 [Preview] No.21292 del
Very important. 3 examples.
1. Lard is still widely used in every sweet, salty, hot and cold food.
2. Pork is required in Chinese ancestral offering or worship
3. Taiwanese aboriginals slaughter pig and divide the pork in major event.
I don't know how Japanese think about it.

In terms of industry, Taiwan has a small beef industry and a bigger native pork industry. The beef is imported but pork is protected by tarif. Beef is considered more expensive and rarer.
There are also many people who avoid beef for religious reasons. The reason isn't very explained in school, but many elders said privately they don't eat beef because "cows" (buffalos?) are their service animals and pales. But I guess it's like India.

Bernd 12/15/2018 (Sat) 15:30:46 [Preview] No.21293 del
Today I watched a very strange documentary. The Taiwanese director wanted to film a major religious festival related to Koxinga, a mythologized historical person. But the filmingmet many setbacks, so they asked help from several spiritual mediums, and the filming crew became more and more religious and spiritual. They still met more and more problems but the mediums began to provide supernatural explanation for the problems. They also provided many rituals to appease gods and ghosts.
I don't like those spiritual mediums. Two of them speak two made up languages. American Christians call this "speaking in tongue". They need a third medium to translate the message.
Long long ago I heard a famous TV religious inspirational speaker giving speech. When I heard his speech I can't believe my ears. From what I remember he was speaking that we are all reincarnated to learn some lessons. But he used so many fancy words and idioms it sounds like he doesn't really understand what those words really mean. That's what the translating medium sounds like.

Bernd 12/15/2018 (Sat) 18:46:15 [Preview] No.21294 del
>But he used so many fancy words and idioms it sounds like he doesn't really understand what those words really mean.
That reminds me of those who use too many words of Latin or Greek origin, typically arts students by the end of their uni years or now as entrants somewhere with their BA degree. They usually do that coz they think they sound eloquent or precise that way and they hope they'll be taken more seriously. Or when they try to impress or confuse people with lesser education, maybe they're trying to get an edge by masquerading themselves as competent.
Those who talk like that always has some agenda - some harmless some not - that's why they use words and expressions like that or what you mentioned.

Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 14:52:06 [Preview] No.21314 del
This movie is called A Journey with Invisible Freinds

So this spiritual medium has a special style of speech. When she speak of simple and ordinary things, she uses erudite and fancy words. For example when she meant "later we will go to that temple by car" she would use the classical term for driving a horse carriage.
But when she talked about god's, spirits, or ghosts, she would use general and unconventional terms such as "frequency" and "energy entities".
The worst part is she is often vague and incomprehensible about the purpose of the rituals.

So this documentary is about a small event held by a small Koxinga temple. Koxinga was a Chinese pirate who fought Dutch people and colonized Taiwan. Later he was worshiped as a god. Five years ago, suddenly a small temple organized an event. They claimed they want to reconcile with the colonized Taiwanese aboriginal people. This attracted complaints from aboriginal groups, because they don't think their people were represented in the event.

The director wanted to document this event, but the medium women who organized event ordered the director to join a series of events and rituals to reconcile with his family and make healing.

The documentary showed that the medium adopted New Age terms and ideas and invented new rituals and events to deal with new social issues for example today's new issue is the reconciliation between Chinese people and Taiwanese people, Han people and aboriginals, alcoholism etc. the interesting thing is other people, the aboriginals, the more orthodox temples, the scholars and politicians, are also inventing new rituals and events.

Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 15:16:34 [Preview] No.21316 del
>A Journey with Invisible Freinds
That's life on imageboards.
>"frequency" and "energy entities".
Like if it would be scientific.
>the interesting thing is other people, the aboriginals, the more orthodox temples, the scholars and politicians, are also inventing new rituals and events.
People change things and use the new and that become the norm which also will be changed eventually.
>Koxinga was a Chinese pirate who fought Dutch people and colonized Taiwan
Now I would watch a movie about this. I know Chinese pirates were notorious at times. I can recall some pirate "queen" as well, tho I forgot her name.

Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 16:24:24 [Preview] No.21320 del
The main ones we have here (Spiritists) are a relatively recent invention (19th century onwards), have their own extensive and specific theology nobody else believes and LARP as an established religion which arrived after ancient mediunic traditions evolved (Christianity). How would you compare Taiwanese mediums to Spiritist ones?

Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 15:07:02 [Preview] No.21332 del
The movie doesn't have any historical details about koxinga. I can't think of any movie about the guy or the war either.
It is said that the Japanese pirates that harassed Chinese coasts in 17th century were actually Chinese all along.

I don't understand either Taiwan or Brazil. I only saw a movie. The way I see it, Taiwanese mediums speak taiwanese language so I guess they aren't very connected to the international movement. My impression is that mediums do their rituals in Chinese temples. When they work in other people's big temples they need their permission. They also own their smaller temples for their families. So I guess mediums and traditional Chinese temples have always been indispensable to each other.
The local Christian oppose those mediums and temples very much until recently.

But I really don't know much about it. While I see old historical stories about mediums, many commentators already pointed out that many medium rituals I thought are from traditional religion, are actually developed after 2000s. Much later than the 19th century you spoke of.

Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 15:27:34 [Preview] No.21333 del
As the "LARP" part, I only began to realize its meaning just now. It's still a controversial topic now. Who are the aboriginals, who are the real ritual specialists and mediums, and what are the authentic rituals. It's not for me to say.

But in this movie, they showed an under-prepared reconciliation ritual, in which a medium who claimed to be possessed by aboriginal ancestral spirits took part. Then a group who claimed to represent authentic aboriginal people criticized the event. Then the movie showed that the group is also working on reviving their culture. From what I know the language the people is dead for 300 years.

Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 23:23:47 [Preview] No.21343 del
Today a major display maker suspended their assembly line unexpectedly. They announced they have too much debts and they need to cut employees
All other electronics plants have rumors of dismissal.

Bernd 12/18/2018 (Tue) 21:14:56 [Preview] No.21390 del
First Foxconn, then this. I bet many employees shaking for his/her job. Mayne not a dream job but it helps to but rice on the table.
Those who get sacked what can they do? Are there any job prospects? It seems going to another company on the same field isn't an option if everywhere cuts are expected.

Bernd 12/18/2018 (Tue) 23:23:10 [Preview] No.21393 del

Closing of assembly lines because owner's financial problems rarely leads to complete dismantling the site and equipment. Often, after bankruptcy or similar procedures, plant start working again and people may go back to work (although not everyone and with lesser wages).

Although maybe in Taiwan where there are no shortage in electronic assembly, things work differently.

Bernd 12/23/2018 (Sun) 01:23:48 [Preview] No.21467 del
From what I heard people usually find new jobs sooner or later. But it can take six months to a year when the global economy is bad.

Now the ROC government is heavily promoting about the ban on all meat products from the swine flu affected regions. Every single day the news scandalizes poor people who got caught with meat products with them. Some netizens would simply shame them. They either blame them for deliberately spreading the disease to Taiwan, or taunt them for being "illiterate and disrespectful to the laws".
Two cases this week were notable. One is a chinese fishingboat which fished on our sea. Our coast guards boarded the ship and "disinfected" the pork they brought with them. The other case is an old couple of Chinese Muslims. They worried about the halal rule and brought "chicken and beef products" with them and got fined 1000USD.

There is a rumor about our government. Given past experience, Taiwan usually cannot prevent disease from entering the country. So the government decided to publicize the matter and blame it on China first, so that when the disease finally come it will look like Taiwan has done everything we could and it's all China's faults.
The swine flu doubtlessly give people a good reason to hate China

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 10:34:44 [Preview] No.21635 del
Today I saw an episode of Korean drama. It's about the Japanese invasion of Korea in late 16th century. It's dubbed by Chinese voice actors.
The Korean king was described as ignorant and he let Chinese army to defend Korea. But Korean officials want to maintain national dignity and sovereignty. The Chinese army are arrogant and humiliated the officials. .

Hearing the Korean side of stories in mandarin is interesting.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 10:54:08 [Preview] No.21637 del
It's always useful to shift the blame.

How other East Asian countries are viewed in Taiwan? Do those recognize Taiwan or they bow to China in that question?

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 13:07:09 [Preview] No.21642 del
I can't speak for all. I only know komica's biased view.
Japan is well liked. Everyone who has traveling experience liked japan for its modern lifestyle. Plus it's a source of our investment, technology, laws, expensive high quality products etc. one guy, unfortunately, said that the urban life in japan is better than that in "European countries", so we should stop idolizing European countries. Many Taiwanese work in japan and said some negative things about it but...japan is viewed as a model taiwan should follow. That's beside our admiration for the more spiritual part of it.
Officially japan follows the one China principle since 197x and doesn't recognize Taiwan or ROC as a state. But Taiwanese are confident that japan will like us more and more.

South Korea is less liked but quickly became a new favorite since 2010s. The k-pop and others. However we are also in tight competition and cooperation in the manufacturing business. There are much more negative news about South Korea. They would tell you it comes from 197x when they switched their one China policy from us ROC to the real China. ( But you don't see that make people dislike Japan). I once doubt that the negative news come from Japanese reports. But now I think we are directly translating the South Korean Criticism to their own society

I don't know much about North Korea. I think the intellectuals read reports about it from Japan, and China and USA. There are now more books programs and reports about it. I guess It's viewed as China before it opened up.

China...its complicated. I guess we don't know much about it but know some part of it.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 13:38:30 [Preview] No.21645 del
Today I also heard about one program. It's some ROC citizens (some scholars from Taiwan island and some aboriginal people from a small ROC island) who organized several trips using a man-powered wood boat. They rowed the boat with aboriginal technology to further and further places. They planned to row to northern Philippines to prove that the aboriginals used to row to Philippines all the times.

An interesting thing they said was that on the sea they need to rest. So they used some reefs on territorial water claimed by ROC to rest.

Now the funny thing is that the South China Sea is a controversial sea. Many neighboring countries claimed it. People generally say that ROC and PRC's claim is the most problematic because we Chinese are very further away from it than others. The ROC and PRC governments however claimed and occupied and controlled some islands and reefs in the region.

However When we civilians look at the issue, i see the islands and reefs as very useless. Though we understand the importance of the sea, and the rights of fishing, mining and traveling, i see the islands merely as an excuse to claim the sea. The islands itself are often made into a joke: "ah look at those desert islands. There is no fresh water on it. It's submerged when the tide is high. What can I do with it? Why do we still send military to stand posts on these reefs?"
But now some aboriginal fisher men showed thwart the reefs are useful when they row a small man-powered boat to it.

The use of a piece of reef rock, and the more complicated use of the sea, are all complicated issues. Though Taiwan is a "small" island, I rarely go to the sea or beaches. I don't know any fishers or seamen personally. I buy fish from "supermarket". I don't know the use of the sea. I can say same thing about rice farming though.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 13:53:13 [Preview] No.21646 del
>that the urban life in japan is better than that in "European countries", so we should stop idolizing European countries
well understandable, as copying europe is pretty cargo cult thing to do.

By the way I heard the people in ROC has lost their hope to restore their power is this true? Also what is avarage chinese opinion about last chinese dynasty in there?

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 16:29:07 [Preview] No.21654 del
>By the way I heard the people in ROC has lost their hope to restore their power is this true?
It's complicated. The simple answer is yes. If you mean the possibility of ROC taking back China under its rule, no one in Taiwan believes it's possible since...1950s? Or since 2000s after the economic boom? Suppose CPC give China to ROC free of charge we wouldn't know how. And the people will simply not comply.
The longer answer is that there are two factions in Taiwan. Pro unification And Taiwan nationalists. Nationalists are loud. They call ROC a fake state and want to end it. Pro unification people are marginalized. They believe in unification in confederation but not a total restoration of ROC. Most of the "silent majority" are mysterious but i don't think they believe in ROC power.

>Also what is avarage chinese opinion about last chinese dynasty in there
It's complicated. If you mean the Qing dynasty, the palace drama is popular. Its a common self insert story to imagine you are a emperor or a queen of the age. The manchurian nobles seem beautiful. The life standards seem nice and and there were many interesting trivia
Then There are the historic epic drama about 17th century's great emperors: Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong. They were said to have good rule. Then there were many ethnic minorities and interesting scenery and tourism spots. These dramas are made by China.
Then there is a national museum that talks about similar interesting trivia.

Then there are some Taiwanese traditions that date back to Manchurian rule over Taiwan. Here and there you see temples that say they were built in the era or monuments that say stories of the time. I guess these stories are now categorized as "part of the history of Taiwan" rather than as Qing history. At least that's how I remember them.
Taiwan during Qing era had ethnic conflicts and massacres. Most families or business that began in Qing era are irrelevant now (so people relate to Japanese era more). Some nationalists would say that the Qing government gave us to Japan so it's gave up being our predecessor forever. Or they go to an opposite direction and traced their lineage to before Qing era.
For some extreme nationalists, they hate manchurians. They would mock palace drama and tell negative stories about them. They were cruel and barbaric. They believe Taiwanese people kept the true essence of ancient China which the mainland lost during Manchurian rule.

There is another view. In the past the ROC education was dominated by KMT party which claimed to be the successor of the real China. they claimed that the Manchurians were corrupt by 19th century and must be overthrown in order to save China. I guess they focused on the period under Empress dowager Cixi and how corrupted she was.
That part sometimes compare China with India and Turkey, although I forgot what exactly they said. I think the textbook said Kemal was a great man, because he was like our great man who overthrew the ancient government and made a modern western government and kept the backward culture away.

The post is getting long and boring. Once our deceased must be dressed in traditional clothes which were said to be "like a man from Qing dynasty". It's not an issue now

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 16:49:24 [Preview] No.21656 del

I assume pro-unification people want a unification that PRC heavily gives compromises true or not? How nationalists call ROC fake state? They want to get rid of chinese identity and switch into just taiwan identity? So kinda micronationalism?

>The manchurian nobles seem beautiful
mongol stronk egs de

>They were said to have good rule
OKay so what are the notable improvments during china that time? Or how are they good, at which point a noblemen, king, emperor considered evil tyrant in china? A broad definition would help.

>Some nationalists would say that the Qing government gave us to Japan
Never heard of this, I guess I have to dig up your history more.

> they claimed that the Manchurians were corrupt by 19th century and must be overthrown in order to save China
is this more about dynasty or ethnic animosity towards them?

> I think the textbook said Kemal was a great man, because he was like our great man who overthrew the ancient government
Well our last sultans openly let westerns do whatever they want to save their throne, afaik Pu Yi behaved more or less the same, but as for background our educated military elite didn't want their reforms hindered by decadent, backwards dynasty who also disregard our culture more and more. Also both Atatürk and İttihat ve Terakki (enver paşa's clique) highly idolised japan's modernization. They want a change without losing our backbone and spine. But afterwards leaders didn't care that thing as it was easier to flat out imitate others and cover their lack of culture and dumbness.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 16:50:02 [Preview] No.21657 del
forgot to say, thank you for in depth explaining.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 17:24:53 [Preview] No.21659 del
I guess the three emperors were said to be a good rulers because they unified the country, expanded the territory, Defended frontier from invaders, took Taiwan into China. developed farmlands and waterworks, Reformed tax, Provided help to natural disasters. , sponsored some literary and art works, built some palace and monuments (this is considered good as long as people were rich). Personally they were hard working and kept the politics stable.
Of course it's debatable if they really did all these or did the so called bad emperors didn't do these but that's the general impression.
Lots of anti Manchurian haters also complained that they were very cruel and barbaric to non manchurians.

The KMT's accusation against late Qing government was complicated. In the textbook they sounded reasonable. But before they succeeded China they used Han centric slogans and masacreed manchurians. After they succeeded China they reversed and began to promote ethnic egalitarianism and coexistence.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 17:38:21 [Preview] No.21661 del
Note that the three emperors conquered Xinjiang, and Inner Mongolia and Tibet. Xinjiang is the place Uighur nationalists called East Turkestan.
They also "handled" Mongolians and Tibetans with some "wisdom" and budhism .
today's PRC has the separatist and the ethnic issues because they inherited the territory from ROC who inherited it from Qing
We Taiwan is also a Qing legacy to China.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 17:59:18 [Preview] No.21663 del
> Xinjiang
Sincan in Turkish. I know as I received guests from there, language is similar, it's very easy to learn each others dialect atleast.

As far as I know they fought against PRC and stick to local cliques that allied with ROC.

>After they succeeded China they reversed and began to promote ethnic egalitarianism
like every old inhabitants of china equal or something more different than that? we had similar approach and still have but people still have animosity towards other ethnicites mostly due to seperatists movements and stuff.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 18:04:59 [Preview] No.21664 del
Thanks. The contrast is interesting between Japan and South Korea. I guess people inclined to disregard negative things (this case the lack of recognition as a country) coming from what they idolize.

>I don't know the use of the sea.
I know that feels. I read some book tho
>I can say same thing about rice farming though.
That too.

Now that made me wonder what would become RoC? Simply would turn into Republic of Taiwan? This could be a way to international recognition. Would be hard to Taiwanese Chinese people to give up their identity for another? Which might be inevitable anyway and which wouldn't really be a new identity just an "evolved" one from the recent.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 18:28:15 [Preview] No.21666 del
>Simply would turn into Republic of Taiwan?
I doubt, the potential of being one china is too big to ignored. Plus I dont see how giving up the claim of being china benefits ROC.

Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 18:37:37 [Preview] No.21668 del
They could normalize many international relations.

Bernd 12/28/2018 (Fri) 04:44:53 [Preview] No.21693 del

Earlier you asked if ROC treated Qing era as a dynasty or with ethnic animosity

The answer is complicated. I think it's both. Right now the KMT school of history is less active and my knowledge to it is quite limited and it's complicated anyway.

Once KMT had a powerful party state system in Taiwan and they developed lots of schools and scholars on Chinese culture and history. I guess the official position of KMT between 1945-1990s was that Qing was a legitimate dynasty of China.

The KMT school of history argued that China has 5000 years of uninterrupted history and national identity, which were represented and taken care of by 26 legitimate dynasties (legitimate states or historic periods). Qing was the last of them. (Some KMT people didn't count Manchurian and Mongolian dynasties as legit so they only counted 24)
I guess this is also the claim of the official PRC-CPC school of history. They are quite active and they refresh my memory of the ROC-KMT school, except that they also believe that ROC has ended in 1949 and is now the last of the 27 legitimate dynasties. (But KMT is still seen as alive)

There is an issue about ethnic minorities in China. The majority is Han people. The KMT believed that Han are the one holding the identity of The 5000 years old China. In that view Manchurians and Mongols were invaders and weren't legitimate dynasties so there is a contradiction. KMT had a small theory that all other groups are branches of Han people but it wasn't taken seriously.
In 1911 (note: before KMT officially existed) to solve the immediate problems of sovereignty over Mongolia and Tibet, ROC set up a committee that followed Manchurian government agency. They claimed sovereignty over the two places, and handled the peoples with "wisdom" and Buddhism. This small agency is continued in ROC government in Taiwan until last year a Taiwanese nationalist lawmaker disbanded it.

The CPC criticizes KMT for being Han chauvinist, and promoted equality and development and Marxism of all peoples. They worked hard on the theory of Zhonghua minzu nation state. In that theory Manchurians and Mongols were integrated into China so their dynasties were legit, and today's PRC's rule over them is also legit. The issue of this theory is that most times China and those places aren't really unified and today some peoples don't like to share the modern nation state with others.

Bernd 12/28/2018 (Fri) 04:45:46 [Preview] No.21694 del
Another contradiction in the KMT theory is that Han people also divided among themselves sometimes in the history. For example one of the 24 legitimate histories (periods, not dynasties) was the famous Three Kingdoms period that Japanese made games about. The KMT school of theory argued that China is ideally and normally unified and division is anomaly. They also argued that in times of division, one party holds the legitimacy over others. This is especially relevant when KMT withdrew to Taiwan. But ancient Chinese people also had this assumption that unification is normal and division is temporary. The ancient Japan, Korea and Vietnam also followed the ancient Chinese example and called their periods of division "3 kingdoms period", although I don't know if they all assumed their country was normally united.
Taiwanese nationalists once took this issue seriously, and argued that China (or Han people) is not normally or ideally united so it's ok for Taiwan to break up from China.
The same can be said about all the regionalism in PRC.
In the last years of Qing era and early years of ROC, the Han region of China is divided into many regions and provinces and the period was called autonomous period or warlords period. Some provinces built their own industry and army. But I guess they all wanted to follow the three kingdoms model to stay inside the China and unify it some day. That's what KMT school taught us but maybe many regions wanted out.
The KMT and CPC were formed during this period. They both called this period as anomaly and that the warlords were ignorant and backward and manipulated by colonizers. and they both took credit for finally unifying China in 1927, which was the year KMT and CPC broke up with each other and fought a civil war.

(And the Manchuria once became independent from China in 1931. Both CPC and PRC vehemently denounced it and executed some people as traitors. but Taiwanese nationalists liked it. In fact some Taiwanese who were born and raised under Japanese rule worked in Manchuria (and probably the occupied part of China). )

Han people's China was only truly unified in 1949 by PRC CPC. PRC-CPC saw the unification of mainland as a great achievement that prevented the "failure other ancient empires had". So I guess CPC opposed regionalism among Han people.

Bernd 12/28/2018 (Fri) 05:01:18 [Preview] No.21695 del
>>21664 >>21666

The Taiwanese nationalist school of view is also complicated and not unified. The appeal of becoming a republic of Taiwan is based on a theory of nationalism: if the nation state is run by the right nation it runs better.

They would first prove that Taiwanese is an independent people. They then list many problems caused by the ROC-KMT party state system: they mistreated the majority that is the Taiwanese people. They eliminated Taiwanese languages. They mismanaged the infrastructure, because "KMT only treated Taiwan as a military base to attack China" . They built ugly railway stations. They managed the economy poorly and shouldn't be credited with the postwar economic boom. Etc etc. some of them agreed with PRC-CPC claim that ROC has ended in 1949.

The appeal of becoming one China is complicated. The pro unification people now list the economic benefits of integrating with the mainland as the main appeal to the "silent majority".

The cultural and spiritual identity issue was once very loud in 90s but now the majority is silent about it. Once a theory of Chinese nationalism would argue that people who are ethnically or culturally Chinese should stay in the China nation. Now a theory of Taiwanese nationalism argues that they can make a Taiwanese nation without giving up the Chinese cultures. Both theories are appealing to the "silent majority". I don't know how they think about aboriginals and mainland migrants and Southeast Asian migrants. I guess there are about two or five millions of them.

All these are useless cliches though. Let's see Today's news: a small tourist group of 150 people from Vietnam jumped airplane to work in Taiwan as illegal migrant workers. This is a little relevant, because the pro unification side uses this incident to criticize the Taiwanese nationalists. In order to distant Taiwanese economy from China the nationalist began more cooperations with southeast Asian countries. They wanted to attract more tourists but the pro unification side said they are letting in more illegal immigrants that will take jobs from the silent majority and drive down the wage.

It should be pointed out that another long running news is that since the majority of Taiwanese are having less kids , Taiwan has became an aged society with 14% of old people, just like japan. So Taiwan and japan desperately need man power to take care of older people. But this year japan announced they will allow southeast Asians healthcare workers to get into the naturalization track. They can become Japanese by working there. This will create a huge suction of manpower, when Taiwan don't allow foreign workers to become citizens.
(Personally I also wonder who will take care of the immigrants when they get old).

Bernd 12/28/2018 (Fri) 16:09:42 [Preview] No.21706 del
> In that view Manchurians and Mongols were invaders and weren't legitimate dynasties so there is a contradiction
I understand that, they are both foreign but also adapted chinese ways more or less so it's understandable to that issue is still debated.

>(And the Manchuria once became independent from China in 1931
The time Pu Yi accepted japanese mandate, right?

>hey mistreated the majority that is the Taiwanese people
How long since taiwan identity as nation exists? I always assumed people seen themselves as chinese and the name taiwain is just a region name.

>It should be pointed out that another long running news is that since the majority of Taiwanese are having less kid
Isnt the island already overpopulated though? Still having too much old people by percentage would hinder the economy.

Also Kuomintang party is not the ruling party anymore, does that affect everyday situation on ROC?

Another question, I know you guys have electronics industry for long time and having considerable sucess at it. How did that happen?

Thank you for explaining wall of text btw.

Bernd 12/29/2018 (Sat) 15:38:22 [Preview] No.21720 del
>How long since taiwan identity as nation exists?
It's hard to tell.
One theory is that Taiwanese always identified themselves as Chinese. The identity thing is just a backlash to KMT's abuse since 1950s.
Another theory said the identity is a Japanese imperial manipulation since 1895. Both theories work for unification camp.
One theory also traces it to Japanese rule, but sees it as a good thing. They said people in Taiwan were divided by geographical and ethnic barriers. And it was Japanese who united them with modern schools and roads.
Still one theory traces it to earlier, and argues that Taiwanese were always different from Chinese.

The success of Taiwanese ic industry is a billion dollar question. I only know the basic cliche.
They often list 3 factors: 1. Strong government leadership and incentives. 2. Talents. 3. Cluster effects.
The government leadership part is controversial in today's politics. The KMT boasted this as their achievement. The KMT officials and boss became mythological people. The nationalists called it bluffing.

The talents part has some issues. It can be credited to Chinese race, Chinese culture, Taiwanese culture, schools left by Japanese, schools built by KMT, the Americans etc.
the talents can mean specifically Taiwanese (and a few Chinese) trained in USA and came to Taiwan to work.
For example Morris Chang was born in China and educated in US but Taiwan in 1970s was more attractive to him. Who takes credit for this attractiveness is also a debate. Those talents are probably "citizens of the world" and welcomed by all.

An original case was Taiwan's cooperation with RCA in 1960s. Back then American business needed cheap land and labor so they chose Asian countries and among Asians they chose Taiwan for some reasons (cheaper? Smarter workers? Better infrastructure? More lax environmental and labor laws?) Taiwan's earlier development of export processing zones had paved the way. Taiwan offered RCA a deal in exchange for the semiconductor technology transfer.
The tech transfer was successful but there was heavy price of water and land pollution and mass cancer cases among workers.

It should also be noted that the IC industry is related to PC periphery industry, which is based more on more flexible private small enterprise.

It should also be noted that Taiwan's rise took advantage of China. The industry developed when they were not ready. And by 80s we began to took advantage of their cheap labor, land and laws. We also entered their market before American countries did. Some Taiwanese would boast that "we developed their economy and industry for them" and they certainly feel the other way around.

Bernd 12/29/2018 (Sat) 17:16:26 [Preview] No.21721 del
>hey both took credit for finally unifying China in 1927, which was the year KMT and CPC broke up with each other and fought a civil war.
Oh, the ironing.
>desperately need man power
Foxconn just fired 100 000 workers. That's unused manpower right there. As I see automation will help East Asian countries sooner than Eastern Euros.

Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 14:54:37 [Preview] No.21795 del
NHK is showing my favorite show

Bernd 01/03/2019 (Thu) 12:19:26 [Preview] No.21999 del
When will Chinese New Year come?

Bernd 01/14/2019 (Mon) 16:51:55 [Preview] No.22354 del
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Hmm. Taiwanese Bernd disappeared. I hope he's fine.

Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 05:57:38 [Preview] No.22433 del
Today I watched a show interviewing a Taiwanese man working in a Russian travel agency in Vladivostok.
誰來晚餐8 第17集我在海参崴賺盧布- YouTube
(I can't find the full video this is only a preview)
This man's father was a KMT Congressman. He aspired to become a diplomat so he studied in NCCU which was famous for its Russian language department and political connections with KMT.
His current work is to work with Russians to arrange tours for gamblers in casinos in Vladivostok. The customers are mainly from China and Korea. He made friend with a cook from Hong Kong. He is most busy when Chinese people get long vacations (Golden week in May and Chinese New Year)

No Russians were interviewed at all in this video.

Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 20:31:21 [Preview] No.22481 del
I guess Russia doesn't recognize Taiwan. In this situation not many diplomat needed there. From the preview he seems content with what he does.
>No Russians were interviewed at all in this video.
This is strange.

Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 20:33:34 [Preview] No.22483 del
Congratulations, Bernd. I think your thread reached bump limit.

Bernd 01/20/2019 (Sun) 01:19:01 [Preview] No.22517 del
>Computer application. Mobile payment like Alipay or something.

Just no. Look at the GFW and their approach to private data.

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