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Poolitics serial dicksucktion - Frau Merkel Edition Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 15:28:02 [Preview] No. 17063
Here a nice thread the discuss seriously politics, the Catalonia thread is "File not found". Of course not just Merkel and the like can be topics here but anything really which fits, as usual.


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 15:48:42 [Preview] No.17065 del
>>17063
The EU is too corrupt and needs to be broken apart the same way the USSR was (and deserved to be). Merkel is just another minion beholden to an unelected bureaucracy which is hell-bent on destabilizing their subjugated nation states.


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 16:53:46 [Preview] No.17067 del
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Angela Merkel ist ein polnischer jude
Es ist nichts falsch mit polnischen menschen
juden sind abschaum
Sie ist nicht Deutsch
Angela Merkel will das deutsche Volk verdrangen
Sie sind wahnhaft wenn Sie nicht sehen können
Oder ist ihr gehirn bereits kompromittiert?
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Angela Merkel is a polish jew
There's nothing wrong with polish people
jews are scum
She is not German
Merkel wants to displace the German people
Or is your brain already compromised?
>>17033
>>17034
>>17035
>>17036
>>17050
>>17066


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 17:25:46 [Preview] No.17069 del
>>17065
Some form of close cooperation of European states are absolutely necessary. All alone not one of the EU members can compete with large economical and military powers of the world. But can be EU reformed? I dunno but much change in the way of thinking of the people needs.

>>17067
Poles were always the good guys. In fact much of the European misery roots in German imperialism, chauvinism, narcissism and unwarranted self-importance.
Vid related is kinda obligatory here.
On her mother side Merkel was German and her father's side Jewishness is unprovable and pretty much irrelevant. A large part of Germans decided for years she's fine for the job, during the latest election as well. For your Führer about 150 000 Jews by your definition were fine to serve in the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine, even among the ranks of generals.


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 17:33:05 [Preview] No.17070 del
>>17069
>Poles were always the good guys.
Until they listen to great britain and refuse countless offers from Germany to give them access to their cutted out territory in the middle of Poland.
They were the good guys until they literaly provoked WW2 on the behalf of GB.


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 17:40:44 [Preview] No.17071 del
>>17070
WW2 is rooted in the "peace" treaties of WW1 which wasn't made for agreeing on terms but for punishment of the losing side. Compare it with the treaty of France got at the end of the Napoleonic Wars. Ww2 was unavoidable, if anything it's GB's, France's and the US's fault. Poland did nothing wrong.
It's also debated when WW2 started. When GB and France declared War on Germany it was still a local conflict.
It is also debated if it's right to call it "second" as it's entirely legit historical view that the inter-war era was just a long armistice and there were actually only one World War.


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 17:42:51 [Preview] No.17072 del
>>17070
It's Hilter's fault for not letting Neville Chamberlain smoke during meetings.


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 20:23:22 [Preview] No.17074 del
>>17069
>Poles were always the good guys.
"Poki swiat swiatem, Polak Niemcowi nie bedzie bratem." is a Polish proverb. So is "Zdechly Niemiec, zedechly pies, mala to roznica jest."
Not only did these so called "Christian" priests excel in rhetoric aimed at cultivating deadly hate against Germans during the pre-1939 years, they also prayed in their churches, "O wielk wojn ludow prosimy Cie, Panie! (We pray to you for the great War of Peoples, oh Lord!)" Later, when their wishes came true, they actively participated in murdering unsuspecting German soldiers. "Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.' The war lasted only three short weeks, the German occupation lasted several years. This explains the extraordinary high number of priest-partisans who even were joined by bishops." Immediately after the formation of Poland after World War 1, Poland was attacking Germans and Ukrainians. On August 26th, 1920, the Polish pastor in Adelnau said in a speech, "All Germans residing in Poland ought to be hanged."
"The Polish terror in the Ukraine today is worse than anything else in Europe. Ukraine became a country of desperation and destruction. The murderous deeds multiplied. The Germans have been tortured, mutilated, excruciated to death, their corpses were desecrated. Villages and palaces have been robbed, ignited, blown up. The depicted incidents in the official publication of the German government in 1921 exceed the worst actions one can imagine." - Professor Dr. Ren Martel in his book, Les frontires orientales de l' Allemange (Paris 1930) about the Polish raids in Upper Silesia in 1921.
Iin 1990, the then Polish Prime Minister Lech Walesa made his feelings towards his German neighbors publicly known: "I do not even shrink from a statement that is not going to make me popular in Germany: if the Germans destabilize Europe anew, in some way or other, then partition is no longer what will have to be resorted to, but rather that country will have to be erased from the map, pure and simple. East and West have at their disposal the advanced technology necessary to carry this verdict out."
>and her father's side Jewishness is unprovable and pretty much irrelevant.
"Unprovable" is as wrong as "irrelevant". You were given a mountain of text explaining the jewishness of Angela Merkel. Even then that pales in comparison to the video you clearly didn't watch >>17050 where she speaks in her mother tongue. Yiddish


Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 20:42:48 [Preview] No.17075 del
>>17074
>where she speaks in her mother tongue. Yiddish

She speaks a sentece of Hebrew in the Israeli parliament, the Knesset. It's something politicians do out of politeness. Hebrew is a completely different language from Yiddisch.


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>>17075
Excuse me, correction: Hebrew. She thanked them for speaking in her mother tongue. Now for the accusation of "irrelevant". The question now to ask is: are Polish people responsible for violence in the past? The answer is no. The same as modern Germans vs. Germans fighting in WW2. The same as Bolsheviks vs. modern Russians. None of them are the same exact people. This should be obvious. However, Angela Merkel's jewish side grants her the typical jewish concept that all ethnic Germans are to blame for anti-jewish historical Germans. Polish people have risen above that history due to the 1968 Polish political crisis where there was mass emigration due to anti-Zionist General Mieczyslaw Moczar. Russia is no longer controlled by jewish Communist Bolsheviks, whom were responsible for the mass starvation https://holodomorinfo.com and the slaughter of the former Tsar Nicholas II along with his entire family, including the children. His daughters were finished with knives. The jewish belief is that white non-jews all want to kill jews because muh holocaust. Thus Merkel is flooding Germany with Arabs, following the Kalergi plan. She's not the only one who believes "all Germans are Nazis" nor "all white people are evil". Here are some prime jews causing the mass immigration ethnic displacement issue in Europe. Watch the videos first


Bernd 06/10/2018 (Sun) 21:30:30 [Preview] No.17130 del
>>17074
mods should ban posters like this if we want to have serious discussions
>>17070
You read too much /pol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book-Poland
>Nearly two years before the invasion of the Second Polish Republic, between 1937 and 1939, the Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen was being secretly prepared in Germany
>the proscription list prepared by the Germans immediately before the onset of war, that identified more than 61,000 members of Polish elites: activists, intelligentsia, scholars, actors, former officers, and prominent others, who were to be interned or shot on the spot upon their identification following the invasion


Bernd 06/11/2018 (Mon) 05:20:25 [Preview] No.17136 del
>>17130
Noone can say Germans don't like to plan and prepare for things.


Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 21:51:58 [Preview] No.18644 del
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This is an actual presidential candidate.


Bernd 08/21/2018 (Tue) 21:54:44 [Preview] No.18646 del
>>18644
Some variations on the first picture.


Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 00:23:50 [Preview] No.18647 del
>>18646
Well, thanks for reviving the political thread.


Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 05:13:47 [Preview] No.18648 del
>>18644
Not bad but can he compete with Lula?


Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 10:47:48 [Preview] No.18652 del
I still miss him, lads.


Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 10:52:57 [Preview] No.18653 del
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>>18652
>didn't upload the pic
classic endchan


Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 17:34:51 [Preview] No.18660 del
>>18653
He did really put fun into politics. Wait, there's no fun in politics.


Bernd 08/22/2018 (Wed) 23:46:37 [Preview] No.18670 del
>>18648
He's a meme candidate with 1-2% of the vote.

>>18652
we all do


Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 02:04:02 [Preview] No.18812 del
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Our largest news program just interviewed Bolsonaro as part of a series with several other presidential candidates except for the one who sits behind bars.

Highlights:
-Everyone was visibly angry at each other
-Bolsonaro had "God, Family, Brazil" written in his hand
-Bolsonaro looked weak at first when asked about how his behavior would differ from old politics when he's a career politician that made use of privileges such as a form of housing funding that any politician may legally receive despite already having a home
-Interviewers bring up the "gender wage gap" and insist he must regulate the market to fight it. He points that his female interviewer is paid less than her male colleague and she replies that her wage is none of his business (despite previously claiming that he should regulate it). It turns out, however, that her position isn't the same as his.
-Bolsonaro then faces the question of what he'd do about the 6 billion gays killed due to homophobia every hour and is reminded of his politically incorrect statements on the subject in the past. He mentions he's now OK with the gays and has many of them as his voters and then brings up his conflict with the gay lobby/movement over a sexually explicit educational booklet that they wanted to widely distribute in schools. He then whipped out the booklet and tried to show it, but the hosts insisted he couldn't. Pic related is him showing it off later. The benis "feature" is an integral part of the booklet.
-On the topic of law & order, his interviewers described his statements in favor of harsh actions against crime with indignation. He doubled down on them. This is where he was at his best, as there's widespread popular support for his views.
-They end up discussing the 1964 military junta and Bolsonaro points out that the media empire now hosting him was founded by a loud and overt supporter of that regime. His interviewer confuses himself while speaking of the current year and says "it's 2021".

Overall, he seemed agitated and not very brilliant, but did manage to impress most of his viewers, some of whom have now become voters.


sage Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 02:18:50 [Preview] No.18814 del
>>18812
More notable points:

-When informed that his wage is paid with the interviewers' tax money, he replies that they, too, are paid with tax money through subsidies.
-The "source" on the claimed death toll of homophobic attacks is not based on police statistics, but was compiled by a homosexual pressure group from news, Internet searching and anedoctal evidence.


Bernd 08/29/2018 (Wed) 18:22:58 [Preview] No.18830 del
>>18812
I see a new book on the horizon:
>How I Won the Presidential Election of 2018 from Prison
I need a dedicated copy.

>Bolsonaro had "God, Family, Brazil" written in his hand
So he could peek when he forgot what to say?
>he's now OK with the gays
Now that they are dead. Who wouldn't be?
From the thumbnail I thought that's a gondola in the booklet.


Bernd 08/30/2018 (Thu) 00:17:29 [Preview] No.18834 del
>>18830
>So he could peek when he forgot what to say?
Yes. He was previously seen with "Polls, guns, Lula" on his hand during a debate.


Bernd 08/30/2018 (Thu) 05:08:29 [Preview] No.18843 del
Parties of Brazil?


Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 23:29:16 [Preview] No.18913 del
>>18843
Most parties can be grouped into three blocs: the Left, the Center ("Centrão") and the Right, aswell as smaller blocs not usually mentioned as independent entities: the Far Left, the Center Left and pan-party lobbies.

The Far Left is a madhouse of tiny radical groups with no cohesion or cooperation whatsoever. Its only party with representation in Congress is the Socialism and Liberty Party, a PT splinter group with 6 seats. It has a strong support base among university students, celebrities, intellectuals and woke upper class people in general. As an emphatically postmodern movement, its main talking points are weed, blacks and homosex rather than traditional working class themes. Remaining parties in this category are substantially different, as they also embrace postmodern topics but are older, explicitly communist organizations:
-Unified Worker's Socialist Party (PSTU): Trotskyite gommies.
-Workers' Cause Party (PCO): Trotskyite gommies.
-Brazilian Communist Party (PCB): the Communist Party, founded in 1922, often simply called "Partidão" and still orthodox Marxist-Leninist.


The Left is easy to understand and needs little explanation. It's a collection of populists and social democrats headed that has mostly acted together. It's headed by the Worker's Party, which grew out of 80s unionism into a radical socialist party, embraced pragmatism upon assuming power, gradually drifted back to its roots and is now once again beating the drums of class warfare and hostility now that it's out of power. It is currently the second largest party in Congress, with 58 out of 513 seats. More parties include:
-Democratic Labor Party (PDT, 19 seats): founded 1979 as a direct continuation of the pre-military regime left by Leonel Brizola, a major figure with significant political credentials. During the first post-junta elections Brizola was cucked by Lula, a barely literate populist newcomer, due to getting a few % less votes and thus failing to reach the second round. Since then it has accepted the humilliating post of junior partner to the PT. Another notable fact is that it used to have a strong support base in Rio Grande do Sul, which since 2006 is a right-wing stronghold.
-Communist Party of Brazil (PCdoB, 12 seats): Not to be confused with the PCB, from which it split off as an anti-Kruschev Stalinist party and later became Maoist. Ironically enough, it's now the more moderate of the two.


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 00:19:08 [Preview] No.18914 del
The Center Left is typically included within the Left or the Center, but I'll speak of it separately as the following parties are more moderate and have an erratic political behavior, sometimes allying with the Right.
-Brazilian Socialist Party (PSB, 35 seats): old moderate SocDem party.
-Green Party (PV, 6 seats): weed and tree-hugging.
-Sustainability NET (REDE, 2 seats): moderate version of the Green Party, has a strong presidential candidate.
-Free Fatherland Party (PPL, no seats): recent party, ideologically similar to the PDT but so far has not backed the Left in elections.
-Popular Socialist Party (PPS, 8 seats): founded as a PCB splinter group but is now part of the ruling coalition.

The Center is a massive, amorphous blob of opportunists who, despite leaning conservative and representing established economic interests, care first and foremost about never being outside of power and will thus gladly ally with either the Left or the Right and vote with them as long as they get their share of ministries and funds. Smaller parties may follow a different policy, but generally the Center acts together. Some parties here are nominally center-left, center-right or even right-wing, but I'm
-Brazilian Democratic Movement (MDB, formerly PMDB, 63 seats): in 1965 the military junta banned all existing parties, grouped its support base in Congress which was allowed to operate for the entire period in one party - ARENA - and the opposition in another - MDB, which was thus a very big tent from its beginning. Later on party formationw as once again allowed and its ideologically distinct factions split off while mystery meat MPs remained. Although reviled a hideously corrupt organization, it remains the largest political force in the country and it's impossible for anyone to rule without buying its support.
-Progressive Party (PP, 47 seats): generic centrists. Nominally right-wing.
-Republican Party (PR, 39 seats): generic centrists. Not to be confused with the Brazilian Republican Party or the Republican Party of Social Order.
-Social Democratic Party (PSD, 36 seats): generic centrists. Recent splinter group from the DEM.
-Brazilian Republican Party (PRB, 24 seats): generic centrists. Holy shit, how do they have so many seats? Before I did research for this I thought this was just a tiny party.
-Brazilian Labor Party (PTB, 17 seats): generic centrists. Not to be confused with the former Labor Party of Brazil. Both Labor Parties should also not be confused with the Worker's Party, the Democratic Labor Party, the Brazilian Renewalist Labor Party and so on.
-Solidarity (SD, 14 seats): generic centrists. Formed recently.
-We can (Podemos, 13 seats): generic centrists. Formed recently and not part of the ruling coalition.
-Humanistic Party of Solidarity (PHS, 7 seats): generic center-right party. Not part of the ruling coalition.
-Republican Party of Social Order (PROS, 5 seats): generic centrists.
-Forward (AV, 4 seats: generic centrists. Formerly the aforementioned Labor Party of Brazil.
-Progressive Republican Party (PRP, 1 seat): generic centrists.
-Party of the Brazilian Woman (PMB, 1 seat): generic centrists. Formed recently and not part of the ruling coalition.
-Party of National Mobilization (PMN, no seats): generic centrists.


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 00:46:23 [Preview] No.18915 del
There's also the Social Christian Party (PSC, 10 seats) which is ideologically right-wing but backed Dilma in 2010 and thus, by behavior, ought to be grouped with the Center.

The Right is a grouping of Blairite SocDems, liberal-conservatives, conservatives, the religious right, and very small populist right and libertarian factions, all of whom don't like each other much but have been forced into cooperation whilst struggling against the left. As of the last few years this cooperation has come to an end.
-Brazilian Social Democratic Party (PSDB, 47 seats): liberal-leaning Social Democrats. Although its credentials as a right-wing party are very questionable, its size has forced the other parties in this category to accept its leadership.
-Democrats (DEM, 29 seats): liberal-conservatives. Several decades and name changes ago this was ARENA.
-Patriot not a typo, their name is in singular (PATRI, 3 seats, formerly the National Ecological Party-PEN): pentecostal religious right. A meme party with a meme candidate >>18644
-Social Liberal Party (PSL, 2 seats): formerly a libertarian-leaning party, but its leadership chose to accept Bolsonaro and become his party. As a result its libertarian section got butthurt and left, making its name meaningless.
-New (NOVO, no seats): formed by the aforementioned butthurt libertarian section of the PSL. Our libertarian movement is large but very recent. Has a presidential candidate.
-Christian Democracy (DC, formerly PSDC, no seats): meme religious right party with a meme candidate.
-Brazilian Renewalist Labor Party (PRTB, no seats): meme conservative Keynesian party. Sadly its meme candidate isn't running this year.


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 00:53:47 [Preview] No.18916 del
Several caucuses are also notable:
-Football lobby
-"Human rights" caucus
-Miscellaneous economic lobbies
-Protestants
-Agrarians
-Gun lobby

The last three are particularly reviled by leftists and often named together as the "Guns, Cattle, Bibles" caucus. In fact, their influence is severly overstated and more positive than negative.


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 01:41:14 [Preview] No.18917 del
So how does all of this work, when ideologically ambiguous opportunists are the vast majority of congressmen?

Elections are held to renew the Executive and Legislative at state and national levels. (Municipal elections are offset 2 years from the main ones - the next one is in 2020). On every state and on the national level parties form coalitions. Some minutes of TV time are allocated by law for electoral propaganda; this time is divided among coalitions according to how many parliamentary seats they have. Coalitions also have an institutionalized relevance in the legislative dispute, as MPs are elected by the total vote count of their coalition and not of themselves -this allows tiny candidates with next to no votes to join large coalitions and get elected whilst other candidates with no votes are left out. Second rounds may happen in the gubernatorial and presidential disputes; typically they always happen for the federal level but only a handful of states find themselves with a second gubernatorial round.

From 1994 to 2014 a very predictable pattern emerged: the Center never launches a candidate of their own. Instead, almost all of its Parties form a coalition with the existing government - Right or Left, leading to a showdown between the PT and the PSDB. The PDT or some Center Left party launches a third candidate, which may gain up to 20% of the vote and can influence the second round by declaring support for either candidate. There's also a slew of meme candidates.
The winning bloc -Right or Left- then forms a coalition with the Center by handing out cabinet posts. Political scientists call this system "coalition presidentialism".


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 18:01:05 [Preview] No.18925 del
>>18917
You put it soem work into this, I appreciate it, I'll read it thoroughly.


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 18:47:43 [Preview] No.18927 del
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>18917
>Political scientists
>Political
>scientists


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 20:08:55 [Preview] No.18929 del
>>18925
I still plan to write on the historical (last 20 years) and ideological background and on each candidate.

There's a typo in my last post:
>this allows tiny candidates with next to no votes to join large coalitions and get elected whilst other candidates with no votes are left out.
which should be
>this allows tiny candidates with next to no votes to join large coalitions and get elected whilst other candidates with more votes are left out.


Bernd 09/02/2018 (Sun) 20:29:04 [Preview] No.18931 del
>images of dead Germans aren't enough evidence durr


Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 10:46:52 [Preview] No.18936 del
>>18930
<Cyka! Dun't you know duh Nut seas about to take all of eastern Europe and genocide duh Sluhvs? Luk at Lebensraum!


Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 19:11:45 [Preview] No.18939 del
>>18931
Well you know, these are Poles with later added captions that they are Germans. :^)

>>18936
I don't get it what's your problem with Polan. You guys are practically the same except they were treated like shit, and in your case even the troops got the directive before invasion that they have to behave themselves with the natives, Germans invaded and occupied your country as well, they took away your people's sovereignty.
>inb4 hurr durr we are Germanics together
Yeah this just the same shitty ideology which turns everything the same shit, like Christian Universalism, Communism and Globalism.


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 16:45:15 [Preview] No.18969 del
>>18917
What a giant clusterfuck of parties.
Do the voters cast their support regardless the party affiliation of the presidential candidates? Here >>18914 you wrote that the REDE as a strong one so I suppose despite the party has few seats and therefore supporters lots of people would vote on him. So I guess this can happen because the coalition presidentialism.

>>18914
>Some parties here are nominally center-left, center-right or even right-wing, but I'm
But you are... ?


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 17:14:46 [Preview] No.18971 del
>>18939
Not really, Denmark was given a protectorate status. You see, the English would've seized Denmark to prevent the Germans from gaining a stronghold in Norway, just like how they and the Soviets invaded the neutral Iran. Sweden was exporting Iron Ore to Germany through Norway, and so the English mined the waters to force those Swedish ships into international water, which is why there was a war in the north in the first place.


Bernd 09/05/2018 (Wed) 02:07:34 [Preview] No.18980 del
>>18931
They're evidence of a massacre happening shortly before these picture were taken, which, as you may know, was after the German invasion of Poland and hence could not, by itself, provide a justification for the invasion.
I don't doubt at least some of the Nazi rhetoric about opressed Volksdeutsche is true, as other ethnic minorities in interwar Central and Eastern Europe were also poorly treated, and the fact that a massacre happened (albeit after the invasion) shows there was already hate. But I've yet to see solid evidence of prewar massacres of Germans.

>>18969
>Do the voters cast their support regardless the party affiliation of the presidential candidates?
Parties matter a lot to politicians due to their organizational infrastructure -hence why there are so many generic centrist parties: they're tools in the power play of cliques and individuals. Their ideological purpose only really matters for activists.

Voter choice has two patterns. On municipal and state-level elections -even for much of Parliament-, ideology is remarkably irrelevant: candidates are chosen according to personal convenience and/or wheter the existing cabinet is considered an efficient administration, elections are an extension of personal politics, parties are mere political machines and bizarre coalitions such as PT+PSDB are possible. This is part of why the Center is so powerful: most of its MPs are there simply because they have support for non-ideological reasons at the local level.
On the other hand, voter choice at the presidential and (to an extent) state levels is based on the well-known logic of ideology, candidate charisma, discontent expression, "lesser evil" and so on.
Although these are two different logics, they more or less line up and it's rare for an area to vote left-wing at the local level and right-wing at the presidential level and vice-versa.

>REDE as a strong one so I suppose despite the party has few seats and therefore supporters lots of people would vote on him
REDE is a recent party formed solely to house Marina Silva, a presidential third candidate who, first as part of the PV and then as part of the PSB, had already gained a substantial number of votes in the 2010 and 2014 elections. Some of these votes were simply protest votes against the two leading parties due to her third candidate status, while others were due to ideology. So there actually is a lot of support for the party's policies but not for the party itself, and few of its candidates will get ahead in local disputes. A similar case is the PSL: a large section of the electorate supports Bolsonaro and his ideology, but few people care about the party itself, as it's a tiny institution housing a major figure. Even the PT has drifted towards this: although the party is well-organized and supported, Lula has dwarfed it and it'd lose most of its support overnight if Lula were to leave it. On the other extreme there's the MDB, which can count on still being the largest party in Congress next year but has no real presidential candidate.

>But you are... ?
...but I included them in the Center due to their political behavior of being willing to ally with anyone.


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>>18971
>protectorate status
Not for long tho. And this is important. England didn't really pursued territorial gain on the continent since the Hundred Years War while Hitler declared in the Mein Kampf that for Germany running after colonial ventures was a mistake and they have to establish their empire on the continent. Frankly Germany and England would have been the same for Denmark, both trying to "keep safe" her from the other, this is an age old excuse for imperialists to justify their military's presence. But England's presence would have been very temporary while Germany's could have gone on for a long time.
But...
>English would've seized Denmark
...any proofs on this? Yes, they occupied Iceland, and the Faroes I think, but well after Denmark's occupation.
>possible English occupation
Westerner problems. Next time try it for real with the eternal Liberator...


Bernd 09/05/2018 (Wed) 20:32:59 [Preview] No.19006 del
>>18980
It is pretty interesting to see that Brazil - a country that has a lot common with Russia (from poverty and corruption to vastness of space and love for these TV novels) - has truly opposite political system. Here parties are nothing, just a cheap frontend to one big and shady political elite that never changes.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 16:42:05 [Preview] No.19019 del
Elections in Swiss uh I mean Sweden this weekend. Traditional parties are expected to lose more votes, Sweden-Democrats are projected to "finn"ish on 1st or 2nd place.
Meanwhile Switzerland has other first world problems to vote for, a new paragraph for bicycles in the constitution and two popular referendums about food. One wants to put healthy food into the constitution the other wants that the state pays for 150'000 jobs in agriculture. The farmers know how to milk the state for more money. The referendums are later into the month, but they send out the voting material a month before, so you can vote right away. Feels democratic man.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 17:00:57 [Preview] No.19020 del
>>19019
Sweden Democrats, well would you look at that. A very Zionist Civic Nationalist party. They won't deport migrants; they're going to assimilate them.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 17:06:12 [Preview] No.19021 del
>>19020
Aren't Swedes pretty anti-zionist since Israel murdered a Bernd-adotte from their royal family.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 17:19:29 [Preview] No.19022 del
>>19021
Berndadotte indeed. The people though, not the party. Sweden Democrats is just like Lega Nord, Fidesz or the Volkspartei; incredibly Zionist and Civic Nationalist.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 17:36:47 [Preview] No.19024 del
>>19019
How are the voting turnouts over there? I wouldn't expect it to be very high for pointless shit like the ones you posted.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 17:48:46 [Preview] No.19025 del
>>19024
Last referendum had 47% voter turnout, but had a pretty important referendum about a pension reform and woman still don't want to work as long as men. Turnout varies between under 40% and can be over 60% for stuff concerning relationship with the EU.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 19:48:00 [Preview] No.19028 del
>>19025
>a pension reform and woman still don't want to work as long as men.
Toplel classic feminist """""""equaity""""""", same shit in the USA when they suggested that women should be included in conscription.


Bernd 09/06/2018 (Thu) 20:34:28 [Preview] No.19030 del
>>19028
If they don't want to "work long", why do they want to work at all? They can just be at home pumping babies out.


Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 12:35:58 [Preview] No.19050 del
>>19030
Typically I think it's because they would rather work part-time to help out the family a little while also still having time for chillunz. As for the earlier retirement age however I don't understand the reasoning, especially when women generally live longer than men.


Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 12:42:20 [Preview] No.19051 del
>>18812
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45441447
This is probably gonna make him even more popular


Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 15:28:55 [Preview] No.19052 del
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>>19051
>Congresswoman Maria do Rosario was "not worth raping; she is very ugly".
This alone worth a vote.


Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 19:18:17 [Preview] No.19066 del
>>19051
>Officials quoted by Reuters news agency said he appeared to be mentally disturbed.
This is damage control. He was a card-carrying Socialism and Liberty Party member until 2017 and most likely coordinated this attack with at least one other person. It's true that he's a nutcase, but it was a political act.

>He is currently being investigated for alleged racism over derogatory remarks he made about Afro-Brazilians.
Here's what actually happened: while speaking to Jews in Rio de Janeiro, he commented on his experience visiting a quilombo - a community formed by escaped slaves - noting that everyone there was fat, idle and reliant on state funding. He made a bovine comparison, stating their weight in a unit of measure only used for cattle and that they weren't even useful for breeding. He also joked about Lula's missing finger.


Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 19:31:45 [Preview] No.19067 del
>>19066
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UdM1GSe1uaA [Embed]


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 10:01:44 [Preview] No.19083 del
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So as mentioned above Swedes are holding their general election tomorrow. They vote on party lists in a proportional system. The parties are competing for 349 seats of the Riksdag. I'm gonna give a quick rundown who is who (the indicated political orientations shouldn't be taken too seriously, we know they are all commies):
The three largest parties are:
- Social Democratic Party (S) - commies, the leading party of the coalition government, ruling from minority, led by a drunk Russian
- Moderate Party (M) - nazies light, the leading party of the Alliance, a block formed by most opposing parties - led by soyboy
- Sicherheitsdienst (SD) - nazies, fart-right, led by nu-male

Dwarf parties, their influence on things seems higher than their size:
- Green Party (MP) - commies, the lesser partner in government
- Centre Party (C)- peasant commies, in the Alliance
- Left Party (V) - commies+, silent partner for the governing parties
- Liberals (L) - commies light originally, now aspiring nazies light, in the Alliance
- Christian Democrats (KD) - nazies light, in the Alliance, led by a Mongol Thoress (I'd hit that)


Other notable parties:
- Feminist Initiative (FI) - commies, struggles for the collectivization of cocks especially with colored background
- Pirate Party (PP) - commies arrr!
- Alternative for Sweden (AfS I guess) - nazies+

Here are some numbers:
https://pollofpolls.eu/SE
SD seems to be on the second place on average. I don't think much will change, maybe the members of current Alliance will be able to form a government for some weird accident but it's all the same.


>>19019
I hope you will report back on the referendums of Swaziland.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 10:51:38 [Preview] No.19085 del
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Moar pics of Thin Chin Chink Chick.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 13:27:28 [Preview] No.19093 del
>>19083
None of those parties are "Nazies" really, the only real "Nazi" party that's actually registered would be the Nordic Resistance Movement, which is a party the media likes to make look a lot bigger than they actually are.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 14:02:31 [Preview] No.19094 del
>>19093
You kiddings? They have capitalist or Christian or EU-skeptic or anti-immigration views. Smells Natzis to me.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 18:35:55 [Preview] No.19116 del
>>19094
"Anti-immigration". They only care about assimilating them. Just like Orban in your country. I bet a black man that speaks Hungarian and is a Catholic can become a Hungarian citizen. Plus, they LOVE Israel.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 18:36:40 [Preview] No.19117 del
>>19094
And capitalism is literally opposed to National Socialism in every way.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 19:03:18 [Preview] No.19118 del
>>19116
>>19117
1. You are literally no fun.
2. I'd bet 100 HUF liberal media can make nazi out of them easily. So they are nazis.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 19:09:55 [Preview] No.19119 del
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>>19118
this is a serious discussions zone, no fun allowed


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 19:16:30 [Preview] No.19120 del
>>19118
Oh and the first thing I wrote that we know they are all commies.

>>19119
Interesting because on KC main all Danish Bernds had a weird sense of humor. Beside Russians they were the most fun dudes. Brits are also humorous for some degree, Amerilards think they are funny but in reality most of them either immature kids or hopless shitposters.


Bernd 09/08/2018 (Sat) 19:42:48 [Preview] No.19121 del
>>19120
>russians
>funny
>on kc

ugh...


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 07:45:16 [Preview] No.19130 del
>>19121
Saw jokes from every country but the average perceived funniness of the Russians was the highest. Maybe not all the things I found funny were intended to be it or maybe the selection of threads what I read allowed them to jape or allowed me to interpret their posts as such, who knows. Maybe one can see more clearly if their own compatriots are being serious or joking knowing more about the general background their behaviour is shaped, sometimes - for example - I like to think I know if another Hungarian's posts are genuine or pretended. Maybe I have mindset to find things funny because I find an angle which allows me to see it's hilarity or ridiculousness.


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 07:54:30 [Preview] No.19131 del
>>19130
Maybe Runglish also helps sometimes.


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 07:57:04 [Preview] No.19132 del
>>19130
>>19131
And also maybe this thought on being village fools has some merit: >>19046


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 08:05:21 [Preview] No.19133 del
>>19130
>Maybe one can see more clearly if their own compatriots are being serious or joking knowing more about the general background their behaviour is shaped

Sadly, even in real life it is hard to distinguish joke from being serious in Russia nowadays.


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 08:55:16 [Preview] No.19134 del
>>19133
russian are niggers, its only funny to observe them from a save distance


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 08:56:21 [Preview] No.19135 del
>>19134
*safe


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 09:13:10 [Preview] No.19137 del
>>19134
That's funny.


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 09:18:37 [Preview] No.19138 del
Frankly it's typical Russian behaviour:
>Foreigner: Wow, Russia is such a nice place!
>Russian: HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT RUSSIA IS HORRIBLE!!44!!!
>Foreigner: Wow, Russia is horrible!
>Russian: HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT RUSSIA IS STRONK BIG NO1!!!
Now just replace the key words with funny and unfunny.


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 19:34:04 [Preview] No.19145 del
Socialdemocrats stay the biggest party at 26% , SD gets to 20%. The center-right block is slightly bigger than the center-left, so new Swedish government could be led by a moderate conservative.


Bernd 09/09/2018 (Sun) 22:21:06 [Preview] No.19146 del
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Meanwhile, there was election day in Russia. This isn't big parliament or president elections, but election of governors, mayors and local parliaments.

Some people also decided to protest against pension reform today and got beaten by OMON again.

As always, main concern of government was attendance - low turnout may make elections look bad, and most people already know who will win so they don't go to voting stations. So, goverment did everything to make turnout higher, from administrative methods ("all you go to vote or you'll have problems" in state-controlled companies) to concerts and other public events near voting stations.

One of these stations located in 100m from my house, and they started to play loud music at 8:00 (it is actually forbidden by law but who cares), and then played small concert with some local artists at 12:00 (for 50 viewers). So, I couldn't sleep at morning and then they ruined half of my day. Oh g-d I hate them all.


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 05:06:58 [Preview] No.19148 del
>>19145
Totally forgot about them.
I hope they'll make maps I'll look it up in the evening.

>>19093
See:
https://www.thelocal.se/20180909/immigrants-anxious-over-rise-of-swedish-far-right
>With roots in the neo-Nazi movement, the Sweden Democrats (SD),
>"Their roots are Nazi and we know what Nazism has done in Europe,"

>>19146
>most people already know who will win so they don't go to voting stations
Somehow they should be tricked into voting on someone who has no chance. Hilarity ensues.
Blast them with reggaeton next time.


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 06:55:28 [Preview] No.19150 del
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>>19148
>Somehow they should be tricked into voting on someone who has no chance. Hilarity ensues.

When these people go to voting stations, they just vote for that guy who is in charge or who is pro-government because "oh, new people will steal much first, but this guy already stole what he want". Average Russian voter isn't Italian.

Actually, opposition had tactics in first half of 2010s - "vote for everyone except United Russia". They thought that maybe other parties aren't really opposition, but with plurality in parliament they became more selfish and there will be discussions and agreements, no unanimous votes for everything that government says. And they were wrong, later all parties started to vote as government says, even when their share became larger. That is the Russian politics.

>Blast them with reggaeton next time.

Their sound system are much heavier than mine. I thought about sound terrorism already.


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 12:19:15 [Preview] No.19151 del
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45468544
Brexit's over lads, go home.
>those comments


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 14:27:55 [Preview] No.19155 del
>>19151
Can the damage in England be undone at this point?


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 15:31:15 [Preview] No.19158 del
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>>19155
The only way I could see it happening would be if the big parties finally died. Based Jezza is already doing it with Labour but I can't see the conservatives dying anytime soon because everyone fell for the tactical voting meme and now UKIP is kill.


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 16:34:16 [Preview] No.19170 del
>>19158
What the fuck is that image?


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 18:21:07 [Preview] No.19171 del
>>19170
Drunk natives.


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 18:38:16 [Preview] No.19172 del
>>19171
Hang on. If these Englishmen are so drunk, and Paki migrants aren't doing anything about it..


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 20:46:20 [Preview] No.19177 del
Couldn't find other map than the one wikipedia published.
Left: district, right: municipality
Key:
- red: SocDem
- blue: Moderates
- yellow: SweDem


Bernd 09/10/2018 (Mon) 20:53:57 [Preview] No.19179 del
>>19172
For muslims both alcohol and pigs are haram so they can't handle them.

>>19151
It will still happen, just still isn't clear what's gonna be after that.


Bernd 09/11/2018 (Tue) 12:55:21 [Preview] No.19185 del
>>19170
Baroque painting of modern day Britain.


Bernd 09/17/2018 (Mon) 21:58:49 [Preview] No.19343 del
>>19146
>Meanwhile, there was election day in Russia. This isn't big parliament or president elections, but election of governors, mayors and local parliaments.

And now the happenings. Most of regions, as expected, elected politicians from pro-government United Russia party (not just pro-government, but actually a government as a party) in first round (>50% votes). But in some few regions there will be a second round: Primorsky Krai, Khabarovsk region (both in Far East), Vladimir region (European part) and Khakassia (another republic of Turkic people). In every region except Primorie elections will happen in late September, but in Primorie they decided to make second round few days ago.

And, surprisingly, a commie (from Communist Party, they aren't really a commies nowadays, but pro-government "opposition") guy (Ischenko) won. Or not won, but lost. He was leading with 51% vs 45% for United Russia guy (Tarasenko) when 95% of votes were counted. News channels reported that he won, party leader (Zuganov) congratulated him, and region became and example of region when someone not from government won.

Suddenly, at night, when 99% of votes were counted, site of election committee became unresponsive for hours, police forced Ischenko people to move from some voting stations, and United Russia guy started to lead with 49.5 vs 48 for commie. Some people compared numbers and even said that this couldn't be real because numbers don't match (voting attendance and voters count, etc). Now central government is silent, commie guy is protesting, election committee says that they didn't count everything so please wait.

Primorsky Krai known as political center of Russian Far East (with Vladivostok city as capital) and known as depressing region with bad migration trend (to Russia), corrupted and weak economics and Chinese influence.


Bernd 09/18/2018 (Tue) 01:04:09 [Preview] No.19351 del
>>19343
Aren't commies and the LDPR controlled opposition? Why is the status quo so worried about them getting any power?


Bernd 09/18/2018 (Tue) 06:31:44 [Preview] No.19355 del
>>19351
Yes. For example, they vote for everything government says except when their vote in parliament doesn't matter (and they can show that they are opposition). Their official program not really different than for United Russia, they support same things in political sense for example. They also pretty controlled, for example, Zuganov in 1996 had chance to win but failed, mostly because he stopped fight and allowed Yeltsin to do what he want.

So, they are weak and spineless opportunists. They aren't even commies, because most prominent figures there are classic capitalistic businessmen (for example, that guy who was a candidate at president elections). They even openly support Church now.

They initiated protests against pension reform though, but it may be also a controlled act, because these protests did nothing.

>Why is the status quo so worried about them getting any power?

There is few points. First - it is just too bold cheat from government. If United Russia guy would falsely win "slowly", they wouldn't object, but this case is too serious. 51-45 and then sudden loss, you can't easily backtrack this. Of course they wouldn't start serious protests because they aren't worried much.

Second - this could be not fully sanctioned thing from top (otherwise main guy would win in first round). Far East is known about corruption, and if this may be seen as struggle between local elites, who will remain loyal to government in any case. But commies had chance and United Russia took it from them by force publicly - it is reason to be loud now. But I guess it will end with nothing. Or Putin may decide to intervene and show that he is truly a real democrat and stop this, getting points in media - in the end he loses nothing.


Bernd 09/18/2018 (Tue) 20:25:43 [Preview] No.19387 del
>>19343
>>19355
Comedy gold. I mean comedy crimson. Russia always ready to deliver.
In democracy the people can decide whomster they're gonna vote for. But not necessarily who's gonna win.


Bernd 09/19/2018 (Wed) 21:59:27 [Preview] No.19410 del
>>19343

And, looks like they decided to retry second tour again. Central election committee said that "it was horrible" and sent recommendation to locals to cancel the results (some results from some voting stations already were cancelled but that didn't change anything). United Russia candidate (non-real winner) first said that it is a shame and he wouldn't take part in new elections, but then decided to change his mind and try again.

Ischenko (commie guy who won but lost) said the he is _against_ (!) that election cancellation (!). But looks like he will participate in next election.

Some sources say that all this shit happened not to make United Russia guy win, but to make election fail because he was losing, but at next try he may win because they will be prepared better.


Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 20:54:17 [Preview] No.19434 del
>>19410
How alcoholism of Primorsky Krai compares to Russian average? They don't sound sober not a tiny bit. Now this thing feels liek someone just fucked up something and they're improvising and trying to make a serious and fair impression but only achieve it's contrary.


Bernd 09/20/2018 (Thu) 21:27:59 [Preview] No.19435 del
>>19434
There is no good info, different sources say different things. Looks like alcoholism is on level with other regions.

Region is depressing for years. It is populated but very remote, so federal center influence is weaker and local elites are stronger. In 90s almost half of cars had right steering wheel, because they were cheap old Japanese cars, region even tried to officially get right lane driving rules but it didn't happen. Region is so far and so it is cheaper to go to Europe than to Vladivostok from mainland. It also has pretty bad weather, strong winds, hurricanes and cold rainy winters. Economically it is weak too, fishing gives profit but it often goes into hands of local half-criminal structures (related to government as always in post-Yeltsin Russia). Sometimes it looks like neighboring China now richer than Russian Far East - something that can be considered as bad joke 30 years ago.

So, there is serious population loss because of migration to Siberia and European Russia. That is especially bad because China is nearby. Government even tries to stimulate local economics by giving literally free land there (everyone can get it if you provide business plan and do something in 5 years), but travel costs and bad infrastructure are problems. There is also oil in Sakhalin though.

But overall it isn't some remote unknown place like North Siberia, but populated "big" region that is considered as Russian core, not foreign land.

>just fucked up something and they're improvising and trying to make a serious and fair impression but only achieve it's contrary.

Looks like actually they didn't fail. Next elections happen in 3 months and local United Russia could prepare much better, with administrative resource and media in control. Commie guy corrected himself and said that he don't want reelections but recounting of these elections, because he knows that in 3 months is would be harder to win. So, they failed before but did only right thing to do, they got time while having power.


Bernd 09/21/2018 (Fri) 05:43:19 [Preview] No.19440 del
>>19151
https://www.rt.com/news/438932-may-brexit-tusk-wont-work/
Eu bureaucrats just need to say no to everything.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 21:11:03 [Preview] No.19644 del
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I've just noticed Bolsonaro's running mate -who has recently managed to be even more controversial than him- is a Duterte lookalike.


Bernd 09/29/2018 (Sat) 07:45:47 [Preview] No.19648 del
>>19644
He does look similar. What's the controversy?


Bernd 09/30/2018 (Sun) 00:33:25 [Preview] No.19660 del
>>19648
Several. When interviewed on the '64 military regime and his praise of a colonel who was a known killer of political enemies i.e. mostly Marxists using urban terrorism to achieve the dictatorship of the proletariat and themselves killed a lot of people in the process, he classed the most hardliner president as the best, subverted a famous musical quote ("My heroes OD'd" from Cazuza's Ideologia) by saying "my heroes didn't OD" and, to top it all off, said "heroes kill", which his interviewers responded to with several seconds of unpleasant, awkward silence. His claims that the military should step in to restore order if the nation is in a state of anarchy and the Constitution ought to be rewritten by specialists raised eyebrows among people who are constantly paranoid about a coup. On the topic of "south-south diplomacy" and the past governments' foreign policy of backing and allying African countries and Latin American Bolivarian states, he called said countries scum the actual word was unusual, antiquated and hard to translate; the event was compared to Trump's "shithole countries" incident. Single mother households were named by him as a negative factor in child upbringing. And more recently, he expressed himself negatively on a specific piece of labor legislation -the thirteenth salary.
Most of what he said was true or at least worthy of serious discussion, but it got a lot of people butthurt.


Bernd 09/30/2018 (Sun) 06:27:28 [Preview] No.19661 del
>>19660
Well, their witticism does sound similar as well. So there's no chance he will be elected. Sad!


Bernd 09/30/2018 (Sun) 21:50:11 [Preview] No.19676 del
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Some major protests all across the country against and in favor of Bolsonaro.

Meanwhile, one of Bolsonaro's sons has just drawn flak for saying leftist women are unhygienic and shit in the streets.


Bernd 10/01/2018 (Mon) 05:25:37 [Preview] No.19677 del
>>19676
They're just alternatively clean.


Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 11:34:52 [Preview] No.19730 del
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45744822
Evil Russian hackers strike again.


Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 15:32:52 [Preview] No.19733 del
>>19730
Rushka is evil again and want to ban Endchan too.


Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 15:35:14 [Preview] No.19734 del
>>19733
Where's my fugging ball again?


Bernd 10/04/2018 (Thu) 18:03:58 [Preview] No.19752 del
>>19734
Country flags missing. Working on it.


Huebernd Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 22:58:56 [Preview] No.19802 del
As I've mentioned, I have more to write about our upcoming elections. Let's start with some historical background.
Our sixth and current republic begins in 1985, when the last junta president finished his mandate and transferred power to a civilian government elected by Congress. A mixture of previously pro-regime and oppositionist MPs formed the Center. The Left and the Right took longer to coalesce. With a chaotic political order and a highly politicized population, the first direct presidential elections in 1989 had a wide array of candidates from across the entire political spectrum. Out of these, Lula and the PT emerged as clear leaders within the Left by winning second place. The Right reached its stable form in the 1994 elections, when Fernando Henrique Cardoso -previously anti-junta leftist intellectual who became notable by bringing an end to hyperinflation as Finance Minister- won the Presidency as part of the PSDB, a party of former Communists (even guerilla fighters) and Social Democrats converted to 90s Blairite pragmatism. It then joined with more properly conservative parties aswell as the Center to rule the nation for 8 years, forming the bipolar confrontation between PSDB and PT I described before. FHC's two mandates saw a minor expansion of the welfare state and liberal reforms such as privatization and deregulation of parts of the rotting state capitalist system built since the 30s. Although highly controversial, they -and the dismantling of hyperinflation- laid the foundation for the following decade's growth.
By the 2002 elections, the Right's grip on power was failing and Lula was ahead in the polls. This immediately panicked investors, as he was a radical, populist and Chavez-like figure at the time. In response, Lula issued an open letter promising a moderate, pro-business attitude in his government.
He won a landslide victory and surprisingly kept true to his word: the welfare state was greatly expanded but economic policy remained orthodox, effectively continuing the Right's program. The Center quickly shifted to the Left's coalition partner, leaving the Right in opposition.
A positive global situation and the cumulative effects of recent reforms made Lula's early government a prosperous period. For many it's a golden age, particularly to the millions of bydlo who could now live off welfare with little to no work. They have become a solid Leftist voting bloc. Curiously enough, this isn't very different from the age-old tradition of local oligarchs using handouts to win over bydlo votes.
Despite a major corruption scandal, Lula won the 2006 elections and retained high approval rates. From that point onwards, the PT began to drift back to its ideological roots, with increasingly less orthodox policy. Economic stimuli (mostly cheap credit, public works and incentives to consumption) were applied to maximize growth at the expense of greater debt (who cares about debt when your long-term vision doesn't go beyond the next election cycle?). This was ramped up further due to two events: the worldwide economic crisis and the 2010 elections.
No President can have over two consecutive terms, so Lula had to pick a successor. His party had some promising figures, but he selected an inept potato sack with no charisma or negotiation skills - Dilma Rousseff. This was probably intentional, as a weak successor is easy to manipulate behind the scenes. Just to make sure she'd get elected, more stimuli were applied and she won.
The 2010s were the tail end of this cycle. Dilma (a former Communist terrorist) was devoted to her ideology, unlike Lula, a pragmatist, and thus expanded economic stimulation even more. Nonetheless, economic growth diminished and soon became stagnation, while a budget deficit only widened. Chimpouts in 2013 demanded empty slogans against corruption and achieved nothing, but signalled an incoming age of stability.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:00:34 [Preview] No.19803 del
The PT narrowly won the 2014 elections as a tired and worn-out regime. By 2015 GDP growth was negative, debt was growing uncontrollably and, to make matters worse, a series of gaffes ("I praise the cassava", "stocking wind", "behind every child there's a hidden figure, which is a dog" and so on -they're all memes by now) corroded Dilma's legitimacy, and her approval rating was now in freefall.
By this point, a rapidly decaying fiscal situation, failed overtures (over past years of PT government) to "socially regulate" the media, public institutions stacked up with inept ideological apointees, taxpayer funding of fellow travellers and a pro-Cuban, pro-Bolivarian foreign policy led many to believe, not without reason, that a process of "Venezuelization" was well underway and could only be interrupted by deposing Dilma.
Political tensions heightened, with protests happening on a regular basis, observers noting and complaining a trend towards polarization and radicalization and gargantuan corruption scandals exposing all major parties to ridicule.
At first she reacted to the crisis by denying its existence. Only several months later did she accept reality and relutanctly reverse course, with minor attempts to limit spending and efforts towards high-reward, highly unpopular austerity measures such as pension reform.
At this point the opposition had two oppositions: allow the PT to burn all of its remaining support doing the unpopular but necessary dirty work with the budget (or failing to do so and allowing the situation to worsen) or go all out against it. It chose the latter. The Center smelled blood and, opportunistic as it is, stabbed the Left in the back, with Eduardo Cunha, President of the Chamber of Deputies and de facto leader of the Center, declaring himself an oppositionist in July 2015. The Left soon found itself in a fragile minority government. Too incompetent to sway the masses or negotiate a political solution, Dilma collapsed in 2016. Although her impeachment happened within the law and she had her right to defend herself fully respected, leftists rejected its legitimacy. This means at least a third of the electorate nominally sees the existing government as illegal.
In a bizarre setup, the Center formed a government with the Right as its coalition partner, with the tacit agreement that it'd back the Right's presidential bid in 2018. Newly-established President Temer had some goodwill at first. Small measures diminished the deficit and economic recovery began, although at a snail's pace. Inflation, too, was not as high as in the Dilma years. His government was also seen as an opportunity for electoral, education, labor, pension, tax reform and so on. But although Temer was nominally backed by a strong parliamentary majority and had suberb negotiation skills, economic recovery was too slow to be felt by the average everyman, who now turned his hostility towards the Center and the Right. The Left, free of having to run the dumspter fire, restored its strength and made vigorous opposition. Neither Temer nor his parliamentarians had the will to fully proceed with unpopular measures. Thus, he achieved some changes to education, a scaled-down labor legislation reform and little more. Corruption scandals then struck him, and he spent all of his remaining political capital to save his own ass. By the time pension reform was discussed, he no longer had enough truly (and not just nominally) loyal MPs to pass it. At about this time he sent the Army to restore order in Rio de Janeiro; as Constitutional changes (such as those required for pension reform) cannot legally happen while this kind of federal intervention is underway, this reform never took place.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:01:09 [Preview] No.19804 del
Intervention continues to this day, and thus Congress is in deadlock and Temer can't (and has no will to) do anything. His approval ratings are in the single digits. His early economic recovery has vanished in face of political uncertainty and events such as the truckers' strike. Established parties are discredited, which is why some of them changed their names in a feeble attempt to look new. There's a power vacuum in Brasília.
20 years of PT-PSDB presidential confrontation with a third candidate and meme candidates are gone. While the PT lives on, dying as a party but still clinging to Lula's monolithic power, the PSDB's legitimacy has eroded and its conservative voters have moved to Bolsonaro, who now leads in the polls. A clear duel has only emerged in the past week: previously, there were no less than four large candidates fighting to face Bolsonaro in the second round, aswell as smaller candidates that aren't truly meme candidates. These are the 2018 elections.

What's at stake? There are three basic profiles of elector, with different answers but more or less the same themes. They are:
>Leftists: Welfare-reliant bydlo, Northeasterners, members of "social movements", half the intelligentsia and most "woke" people. Very well-organized, with activists constantly active in the streets and the Internet. Hate the press and believe Dilma's impeachment was a "coup", Lula was a gud boy who dindu nuffin and not only the Executive but also the entire legal system are illegitimate. Hugo Chavez-tier.
>Centrists: Anyone who reads enough to assimilate consensus opinions in the media without thinking beyond them or adopting niche opinions, so mostly middle- and high-class voters with a cosmopolitan background. Note that these are not necessarily voters of the Center, typically favoring the Center-Left or the social democrat section of the Right. Poorly organized and severely lacking in political passion. Religiously follow all politically correct opinions on society set by the leftists, but disagree politically and economically, trusting the political system and the press and favoring a more laissez-faire social democracy. Reddit-tier.
>Conservatives: Boomers, Protestants, Southerners, reactionary portions of the middle class, hinterland voters and young men. Enthusiastic, but lacking in political organization. Hate the press and sometimes wish for a new military coup or even an Imperial restoration. Boomer-tier, complete with Israel and America worship.
They furiously discuss the following topics:


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:01:37 [Preview] No.19805 del
Law and order
59 thousand of my countrymen were murdered last year, when a mere short-lasting regional police strike allowed an orgy of looting and murder to take place and an underworld war led to a series of prison riots -rooted in the murder of a drug lynchpin at the Paraguayan border in a hours-long street battle involving dozens of gunmen and machine guns months earlier- with hundreds dead, beheadings and even cannibalism. Rio's situation is so chaotic the military had to assume police work. Liveleak videos have become a staple export. Crime is rampant, although it's concentrated in the largest urban centers and even small towns immediately beside them can be safe.
On the bright side, it's still not as bad as Mexico.
Our laws are very lenient to criminals, high and low. Few are caught, even those captured in the act have a high chance of getting temporarily freed immediately after their arrest, few are sentenced and those who do get arrested get out early -incarceration has an upper limit of 30 years (and there's no death penalty), but few are sentenced to that and even fewer serve their sentence fully. Impunity is a widespread feeling.
On the other hand, the victims of crime see little sympathy and cops have it worse. Contrary to what many will tell you, Brazilian police are not brutal, but quite to the contrary, are held back at every level. They're underfunded, poorly armed (against criminals with enough firepower to down helicopters) and legally restrained from applying force. Highbrow media, intellectuals and part of the lower class have an anti-cop attitude and, in the case of leftists, even pro-criminal sympathies. A lot of fuss is made about "violence against women", "violence against blacks", "violence against gays" but not about just violence as a whole.
To make things worse, the system's logic of anarcho-tyranny means it not only does not provide the common citizen with safety, but also prohibits him from defending himself. Self-defense laws are strict and gun control, draconian. This is recent: gun control was greatly expanded with a 2003 statute. A 2005 referendum then saw a 63,94% vote in favor of gun rights, but all it did was prevent a blanket ban.
This translates to four policy and legislation issues: the extent legal punishment, police behavior and laws on gun use and self-defense.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:01:56 [Preview] No.19806 del
Economics
Public finances are in the red, with a R$ 124,4 billion deficit last year, a weak BRL (now floating around a quarter dollar, when it used to be worth half a dollar) and spiralling debt. Temer applied austerity to the extent that political constraints allowed it (that is, not enough to balance the budget) and there was, in fact, a modest recovery which only insability interrupted. However, this is unpopular at all levels. Our system works on high taxation and high subsidies -artists get "cultural funding", bydlos get direct cash payments and a host of other benefits, the military and portions of the civil service (e.g. the legal system) have grandiose economic privileges, businessmen get tax breaks and corporatism further entrenches interest groups. It's impossible to cut anything without facing severe resistance, so once gibs exceed revenue the most politically convenient course of action is just to pretend there's no deficit at all and let the following administrations handle the dumpster fire.
Pensions are a microcosm of this chaos: Temer failed to pass a reform that'd relieve debt at the expense of making retirement harder for the average man, and now whoever gets elected will have to deal with this hot potato. The additional burden placed on common people could be minimized if privileges were taken away from the aforementioned privileged castes, but the political cost of doing so is large. In fact, until a while ago, a loophole allowed even the great-granddaughters of Paraguayan War veterns to receive pensions. Some people also say that there's no pension deficit at all and thus nothing needs to be done. Either way, we're already below replacement rate fertility (1,78 right now) and are well on the way to becoming a senile nation in a few decades, so something needs to be done (no matter how unpopular) to prevent a disaster in the future.
Another point of contention is the 95th constitutional amendment passed in 2016 -the "spending roof amendment"- which limits public spending in most areas to the same values in the past year corrected for inflation. This is, of course, controversial among those who want to ramp up spending.
Centrists and conservatives want to solve this by reforming pensions, doing privatizations, having more flexible labor legislation, trimming the fat off the civil service (see, for instance, the number of Ministries, which peaked at 39 in 2015, all filled with political apointees and formed solely to hand out cabinet posts to coalition partners) and providing a moderate stimulus through reduced taxes. Leftists want to follow Dilma's approach and go full on stimulus (backed, of course, by some tax hikes) and believe that even if this failed to restore growth, we still have a moral obligation to handle the budget like Greece did.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:02:18 [Preview] No.19807 del
Foreign policy
Thousands of Venezuelans are pouring in from the border. They overburden the thinly populated frontier, increase crime and have an awful relationship with the local population. Centrists support them, conservatives want a more controlled process and leftists don't talk about it much because they're pro-Maduro.
More widely, there's a great rift on wheter our geopolitical alignment should be "normal" (de facto aligned towards America), as centrists and conservatives believe -with the latter insisting on a pointless and meaningless support for Israel- or Third World-centered, as leftists propose and carried out in the PT's years in power by allying and handing out millions of dollars to random African states aswell as leftist Latin American regimes such as Bolivia (which nationalized some Petrobras operations in its territory and faced only a meek, formal response), Venezuela and Cuba (something of a hub for the Latin American left, which assigns it great sentimental importance and relies on it to spread its ideology). Even FARC was treated with sympathy and our government refused to call it a terrorist organization allegedly Lula's campaign in 2002 was funded by the FARC, but this is just a rumour. Needless to say, said countries have done little in return.

Social issues
These ones see conservatives in one side and centrists and leftists on the other. There's the standard -weed, abortion, the gender wage gap- but what stands out compared to other countries is a debate on ideological bias in education. It is a fact that the majority of textbooks and teachers (being, after all, part of the low intelligentsia) lean left. I, for one, remember how my History and Geography textbooks in high school had a Third Worldist/pseudo-Maoist slant, describing the past and the present as a struggle between heroic brown peasants attempting to industrialize and their local and First World and attempting to fit past historical figures into this dichotomy . Hence, Solano López (19th century Kim Jong-Il), Zumbi dos Palmares (slaveowning former slave with aristocratic Kongo ancestry) and Antônio Conselheiro (religious fundamentalist and anti-tax crusader) all became heroes of the working class against the white-First Worlder opressors. On the bright side, thanks to this education I could already understand basic Marxist concepts by high school, and history was presented in a shallow but thorough (though ironically Eurocentric) manner. Later on this changed, with pressure from feminists and black power activists forcing some space to be assigned to topics such as general African history. Yes, even the history of African regions from which not a single slave came to our country and very little macrohistorical relevance. What makes this particularly controversial is that homeschooling is forbidden and all schools, public or private, must follow those same guidelines on what to teach. Activists have now organized to pressure for ideological neutrality in education and several bills have been proposed in this vein, none of which has been successful.
Another topic is the arts. Artists receive plenty of taxpayer money and sometimes use it to offend the religious sensitivities of most taxpayers and then, once outrage ensues, complain about censorship and how they have a right to receive public funding. Another incident involving massive anger was Temer's attempt to gut the Ministry of Culture: he soon had to back down after nonstop complaints from artists and the rest of the intelligentsia. See what I've wrote before about how every interest group guards its access to taxpayer money with zeal.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:03:04 [Preview] No.19808 del
The past
I've repeteadly mentioned the 1964-1985 military dictatorship in this thread, and it is indeed a political watershed of great relevance. Many engaged in the political struggle at the time are now in high positions of power (e.g. Dilma, a former terrorist) and it is thus fresh in the collective memory. Two narratives bitterly struggle for dominance: the politically correct and "official" understanding followed by centrists and leftists and revisionist rhetoric endorsed by some conservatives. Both of them are too ideologically and emotionally charged (with revanchism in the former and nostalgia in the latter) to properly assess the historical record.
The politically correct narrative: The 50s and 60s were golden years of public works and expanded labor rights. However, as soon as a social democratic proposed land reform and other bold measures, upper- and middle-class reactionaries backed by America deposed him through an equally reactionary military and built a totalitarian regime rested on force. This dictatorship proceeded to heavily censor the media, attempt to indoctrinate its populace through propaganda, relentlessly expand into the hinterland by displacing natives and the local vegetation, kill a massive number of heroic freedom fighters and greatly impoverish the lower classes. For these reasons, it faced resistance from the very beginning and ultimately had to step down.
The revisionist narrative: The 60s were an age of anarchy and the then-ruling president was a crypto-Communist setting us on the road to Bolshevization until the Armed Forces, following a tradition of selfless political intervention for the greater good, deposed him with popular backing, and it was thus a revolution rather than a coup. Nonetheless, democracy continued to exist as elections were still held and Congress still existed, with even military Presidents being indirectly elected for non-renewable five-year terms by parliamentarians and other posts elected directly. Censorship was soft and the only Marxist terrorist fighting for the dictatorship of the proletariat were killed. Peace and tranquility were restored, civilization expanded into the hinterland, astonishing levels of economic growth were achieved and major public works were completed. Only political maneuvering and pressure brought this glorious period to an end.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:03:21 [Preview] No.19809 del
Reality: A Keynesian and corporatist model adopted in the 30s reached its zenith in the 1950s. Then, the very same factors ensuring its golden age produced uncontrolled debt, inflation and left-wing political radicalism in the 60s. The ruling president may or may not have had inititiated bolshevization -evidence of this exists for Allende but I haven't seriously researched it for João Goulart. Backed by America, part of the middle and upper classes reacted with fear and responded with right-wing radicalization. This allowed rightists sections of a politically divided military to intervene and seize power in 1964-something it had done or threatened to do many times since 1889 and had in fact done so in the past decades. At first, moderates were in power and many expected a short transitional government that'd restore order and step down, but ideological polarization continued and military hardliners took over in 1967, curtailing civil rights in the following year. Congress continued to exist, though it was never in question who had the final word. As soon as the regime began to lose strength, oppositionists surged in elections, and rather than directly rigging results the regime merely appointed a few parliamentarians and changed electoral rules to fragment the opposition and favor states where it still had votes. This was no democracy, but it allowed a much smoother transition to one. The newly-established regime did, in fact, have broad popular support until its decaying late period. Order and tranquility were restored and economic chaos left by the previous boom&bust cycle was brought to an end. What followed was a new boom&bust cycle, with the 70s an economic miracle and the 80s a lost decade and the beginning of one of history's most prominent examples of hyperinflation. Major public works projects were achieved while others failed, and massive investment on said projects was one of the culprits for hyperinflation. Censorship was carried out, but failed to prevent an expansion of leftist thought in the press. Aside from propaganda, efforts to ideologically control citizens were modest in scope and also failed. Almost all victims of political violence were fighting for a dictatorship of the proletariat through violent means and themselves killed hundreds. Furthermore, the per capita death toll was much lower than in other Latin American dictatorships -just some hundred people out of 119 million (1980 census) over 21 years, a modest number compared to thousands in Cuba, Argentina and so on with much smaller populations. Economic decay and the Armed Forces' unwilligness to establish a lasting autocracy corroded the regime and a gradual transition to democracy began in the late 70s.
I could write more about this if there's interest.
How is this relevant to policy? As part of the transition to democracy, the regime granted amnesty to everyone, loyalist or oppositionist, involved in prior political struggles. Wounds were left quiet for a few decades, but former oppositionists now feel powerful enough to seek vengeance, with Dilma opening a "Truth Comission" with no sentencing power (as amnesty is still in effect) but the means to research everything the regime did -and not the opposition, of course. Some leftists want to push this further and publish confidential information aswell as revoke amnesty, making now senile culprits prosecutable. There's no comparable movement from the right to hunt down oppositionists for their past crimes, with an attitude of "forgive and forget" prevailing, and hence opposition to the Truth Comission.


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And now, onto the candidates. Previous elections had two big ones, a third candidate, and several meme ones; however, thanks to our state of power vacuum our scenario was, until a couple weeks ago, of no less than five major candidates, with Bolsonaro comfortably in the lead. Minor candidates, too, have risen a notch up in interestingness.
THE BIG FIVE

Jair Bolsonaro, PSL
Our Trump, for good and for bad. A former Army captain who entered politics in Rio de Janeiro and stayed for decades on the sidelines, achieving little of note but also not getting involved in scandals. He rose from local to national prominance once several of his controversial statements were widely publicized in the last few years, and suddenly found himself with a fanbase and an ideal position to gather conservative voters. Lacking a party to call his own, he made an alliance with the PRTB and a deal with the PSL, which then became a platform for himself and his followers. As such, he has a microscopic coalition but an extensive voting base. His voter profile is the aforementioned conservatives, who have almost entirely joined him as he's the only one among the five who's aligned to them. But he's also hated by large swathes of the electorate for the same reasons he's in the lead. This is evident in which celebrities back him: no artists or intellectuals, but plenty of football players (as their mindset and universe are very close to the average everyman's), pastors and, curiously enough, the House of Orleans Braganza, with the current pretender's nephew running for São Paulo's Chamber of Deputies.
Bolsonaro's intelligence level, mindset, mannerisms and rhetoric closely align with the common bydlo's, which is a double-edged sword as it gives him wide working class appeal but can be a liability when he needs to be clever. His campaign centers on law & order, being the only candidate to give it the attention it's due and advocate harsh police activity and gun rights.
Social conservatism is his second most relevant topic. As the only mainstream candidate promoting it, it draws both massive support and massive rejection. He has repeatedly clashed with gay and feminist activists and shows no intention of backing theirs, or any other social movement's demands.
Economically, his nationalist background led him to follow a protectionist, state capitalist programme in the past, but ideological cross-pollination between liberals and conservatives in the opposition over the past two decades led him, along with many other conservatives, to embrace laissez-faire policies. He has at hand Paulo Guedes, a respected orthodox economist praised even by his centrist enemies. On the other hand, he still occasionally takes a populist stance or supports preserving pension and other privileges for classes who back him (such as the military).
Foreign policy isn't much of a concern for him. He wants stricter control over Venezuelan arrivals and a pro-Israel attitude.
His revisionist attitude towards '64 is also unique among mainstream candidates.


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Fernando Haddad, PT
Lula's placeholder and puppet once courts had to clarify that no, a convicted and arrested criminal cannot run for President. Gained national relevance as Lula's Minister of Education, with mixed results, and later as São Paulo's mayor in 2012-2016, with a poorly regarded tenure that saw him promptly voted out after a single mandate. Like Dilma, Haddad has no charisma and skill of his own, and receives votes simply because he's a stand-in for Lula. In fact, there have even been cases of false and illegal campaign material with Lula's rather than Haddad's face and name on it being handed out. His campaign concentrates most leftist voters and counts on extremely well-organized activists aswell as Lula nostalgia. However, a large section of the electorate hates Lula with a burning passion, and he is thus a high-vote, high-rejection candidate like Bolsonaro.
His key point is economics, where he attempts to remind everyone of Lula's golden years, obfuscates Dilma's rule and blames the crisis on Temer. His solution is public works, expanding gibs, revoking the spending roof amendment and raising taxes on the rich. He also wants legislation to restrain media oligopolies, which is a rehearsal of several other of his party's past thinly veiled attempts to punish media empires they dislike.
On law & order, he wants to federalize operations against drug dealers but lower incarceration rates and have a softer approach on crime and a crackdown on possession of weapons.
His foreign policy would be a return to Dilma's. Now that Venezuelans are pouring in from the border he has tried to hide past claims of support for Chavez and Maduro, but his government would de facto back Venezuela's regime as Lula and Dilma always did.
He also wants greater ideological discussion in schools, racial quotas for electoral candidates, and, quite dangerously, convoke a Constituent Assembly -likely a move to bypass an unfriendly Congress, as Maduro did.
His VP is a qt communist (PCdoB).


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Ciro Gomes, PDT
Hailing from a family of oligarchs prominent in regional politics at the miserable northeastern state of Ceará, he spent a long political career in the state but led the Center-Left in three presidential campaigns as part of the PSB ('98, '02 and '06). With some charisma of his own, scandals that aren't well-remembered nationwide and a sometimes manly attitude that has been compared to Bolsonaro's, he gathers moderate leftist voters and some centrists without facing the same hostility Haddad has.
Like Haddad, he focuses on economics, but the Center Left has always been more sophisticated in this area than the PT and so is he. He wants revenue raised by revoking tax breaks and raising taxes, a weakened BRL to favor exports, a lower interest rate and massive stimulation. He also has a program to transfer some private debts to the state, which has been successfully marketed to bydlos as debt forgiveness, which it isn't. It was successful enough that Haddad made a copycat promise. He often speaks in formal economic terms and gives lots of numbers, which fools people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.
His foreign policy has a twist, as he wants a pro-Chinese alignment.
He has some plans to centralize law enforcement but a very harsh stance against gun ownership. He hasn't spoken out in favor of abortion, but wants school textbooks to be more empowering to women.

Geraldo Alckmin, PSDB
A senile, old, worn-out PSDB figure who once ran for President in 2006. As the ruling Center & Right coalition's de facto candidate, he has a massive coalition (and hence, the most TV time) and campaign budget. Four years ago, his party gathered both the centrist and conservative presidential votes and was expected to be either the first or the second most voted now. But even then, he has had a lackluster performance in opinion polls and a cold reception among voters. Leftists always hated him, conservatives have moved to Bolsonaro and even centrists consider him a relic of the past and only vote for him with reluctance. His voters are thus only centrists, and unenthusiastic and lethargic like him. His party even had a somewhat charismatic figure that was on the rise -João Dória, São Paulo's mayor after Haddad- but Alckmin wanted all the glory for himself and now his party can say goodbye to the Presidency.
He advocates his party's old platform of liberal social democracy, with modest stimulus aswell as revenue savings through privatizations and cutting off some ministries. Although progressive on social themes and law enforcement, Bolsonaro's popularity led him to endorse gun rights, but only for rural citizens.

Marina Silva, REDE
Former environmental activist from Acre (i.e. the middle of nowhere) who gained notoriety after becoming Lula's Environmental Minister. She later broke with the PT and became the Center-Left third candidate in 2010 and 2014, racking up 20% of the vote in the later case. Marina draws the environmentally concerned and a mostly female, cosmopolitan electorate of centrists with little ideological fervor and a distrust for other candidates. Weak in appearence and mannerisms, she draws sympathy from part of the electorate but indifference from everyone else.
Her positions are middle-ground or progressive on most issues, with a particular emphasis on environmentalism. Whenever asked about controversial topics, she drifts into platitudes about "democratically deciding", "building consensus" and "dialogue is the only solution" instead of taking a solid stance.


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MINOR CANDIDATES

João Amoedo, NOVO
Former banker and only libertarian candidate. His voter profile overlaps with part of Bolsonaro's: well-off, highly-educated and relatively young voters with an anti-socialist mindset. It is, however, tiny, and few people are aware of his movement and its principles.
His proposals are idealistic and would face massive resistance if he ever came to power: ending tax breaks and public funding for parties revoking gun control, reforming and lowering taxes, cutting off red tape, carrying off privatization and pension reform and reducing privileges for the highest-paid civil servants. To top it all of, he promises to live on his own in Brasília and avoid using his presidential privileges. He is, however, cautious on drug legalization and abortion and does not support them at the moment.

Álvaro Dias, Podemos
Center-right candidate with a solid political career. Notable for being, along with Bolsonaro and Amoedo, the only one to support gun rights and harsher law enforcement. However, he isn't even disliked, he's just not known of -everyone's heard of Amoedo, but Dias' name is unheard of. He might as well not exist.

João Goulart Filho, PPL
Son of João Goulart, who was deposed in the '64 coup. Is Álvaro Dias' leftist counterpart: nobody knows or cares about him.

Guilherme Boulos, PSOL
"Social activist" who led squatters in a number of property invasions and then ran mafia-style protection rackets on the squatters. Draws in votes from the wokest of the woke.
Wants large tax hikes, an abandonment of commitments to achieve a balanced budget, deprivatizing some former state businesses, legalize weed (#1 reason his voters love him) and abortion, crack down on guns, censor media outlets who show harsh rhetoric against crime and dedicate 1% of the GDP to fighting violence against women.


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Henrique Meirelles, MDB
De jure government candidate, even though Alckmin is the de facto established candidate. Why, and for what reason does the largest party in the country only have a minor candidate? Some observers say Meirelles was launched as a "sponge" to absorb anti-Temer resentment and thus direct it away from Alckmin. He is thus a hated candidate.
Meirelles is a well-connected orthodox economist who once worked in America and later served under Lula. He describes himself as an apolitical technocrat who cannot make any grandiose promises but will do his best with his extensive technical knowledge and lack of ideological hate. His policies are as orthodox as they get, though for centrism and moderation (TM)'s sake he also promises to fight the gender wage gap.

Eymael, DC
Vintage religious right candidate, has continually ran in every presidential election since 1998. His policies are more populist than orthodox, but nobody cares about them -what he's widely known for is his ear worm campaign tune. Just hear it for yourself:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=U24md-QSHnc [Embed]

Vera Lúcia, PSTU
Batshit insane Trotskyist woman with a proletarian background. Wants to roll back all reforms of the last few years, declare bankruptcy and confiscate without any compensation all schools, hospitals, large plots of land, previously privatized state enterprises, the entire financial sector and the country's 100 largest businesses.

Cabo Daciolo, PATRI
I've left this one for the last because he's the ultimate meme candidate. A firefighter with a leftist background on conducting strikes and participating in the PSOL, he was kicked out of said party only a few years ago due to his Protestant religious fundamentalism- PSOL is a virulently anti-clerical party. His rhetoric and proposals (such as spending 10% of the GDP on the military) are a bizarre combination of class warfare and religiosity. His meme status was sealed by a number of past and current actions, including but not limited to:
>Claims Freemasons and the Illuminati are out to murder him, and thus spends most of his campaign time praying in the hills with his followers. This is where the pictures I've previously posted of him came from.
>Constantly says "GLORY TO GOD" in a thick Rio accent
>Accused Ciro Gomes of being part of a nonexistant Latin American socialist federation whose name was first mentioned as a joke within an opinion column two decades ago
>Claims he'll sweep the first round with over 80% of the vote
>Names other Protestant figures as Freemasons, criticizes Parliament's Protestant caucus
>Wants to expel Freemasonry from the country
>Makes prophecies and speaks in tongues
>Wanted to amend the Constitution from "all power flows from the people" to "all power flows from God"
>Campaigns through long videos taken in the jungle at night and posted on social media
>Thrashes other candidates as hypocrites
He has known become a very popular meme and his catchphrase is repeated ad nauseum.


Bernd 10/05/2018 (Fri) 23:07:44 [Preview] No.19815 del
Poll chronology
Until about two weeks ago, Bolsonaro was well ahead with ~20% of the vote while the other four were at around 10% and bitterly struggling to face against Bolsonaro in the second round, with Ciro Gomes in the lead. Minor candidates all had 0-3% of the vote. Second round voting scenarios saw Ciro Gomes with a solid margin over Bolsonaro. This changed as undecided voters took a side and, once Lula's campaign was declared illegal, the PT formalized Haddad as his replacement, allowing him to surge. In turn, Bolsonaro had a surge after the attempt on his life but then stagnated and for a time it seemed he'd lose to Haddad in the second round. However, this week Bolsonaro's numbers have once again surged (reaching 35% in the latest poll) while Haddad stagnated and saw his rejection rate rapidly climb and nearly reach Bolsonaro's. It is now clear that there'll be a Bolsonaro-Haddad second round (albeit some are hyped for an unlikely Bolsonaro victory in the first round), with polls showing Bolsonaro ahead -but only by a modest margin, so anything can happen. On the second round he'll have a massive boost in designated TV time and will be in better health, while voter migration from defeated candidates to Bolsonaro and Haddad will also reshape the scenario, making its end hard to predict.


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>>19811
forgot pic


Bernd 10/06/2018 (Sat) 19:56:03 [Preview] No.19829 del
>>19809
This was the last post I read for now.
My opinion is - based on your writing -: no matter who's gonna win, Brazil is fucked.
No real change can be achieved without cutting into the privileges of... well, everyone. This guarantees political suicide - and maybe during the process angering such criminal organizations which can arrange actual death of the would be reformer - and hands out the fruits of the work to the opposition who will drive the country back into chaos and debt as keeping the popularity would mean to give out the gibmedats again and they would do it without a remorse as they will be just as shortsighted as they were before.
And noone will try implement such measures that would undermine it's position.

I'll read the rest as soon as I'm able to.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 14:01:07 [Preview] No.19841 del
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huelections today
time to find Russian bot spam that tries to divide an already fucked nation


Huebernd Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 14:39:33 [Preview] No.19842 del
>>19841
There have already been complaints about Bolsonaro allegedly using bots in his online campaign, but so far nobody has pulled the Russia card.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 15:21:40 [Preview] No.19843 del
>>19811
>once courts had to clarify that no, a convicted and arrested criminal cannot run for President
This is really difficult topic indeed. On one hand Lula is a convicted felon so he can't and on the other he's a convicted felon so he can't. I absolutely understand the complication this presents when they had to decide if he can run or not.

>>19811
>Ey, Ey, Eymael, Ey, Ey, Ayylmao
>1:52-1:55
Those tittays.

>confiscate without any compensation all schools, hospitals, large plots of land, previously privatized state enterprises, the entire financial sector and the country's 100 largest businesses.
Not a bad idea. These can be privatized for good moneys. Or for low price but with good bribe.

>>Thrashes other candidates as hypocrites
Pretty safe bet, we're talking about politicians, aren't we.

>>19815
To be frank, from all of the above Bolsanaro seems to be the most sane choice. I'm curious how things will turn out.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 16:58:41 [Preview] No.19850 del
Found this.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 17:24:12 [Preview] No.19851 del
News said that there are erections in Bosnia too. There shouldn't be surprises as people just vote for the nationalists of their ethnicity.


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>>19829
Temporary political fluctuations do give enough momentum for some reductions of privileges to take place, but as long as the entire system is still based on a chaotic zero-sum battle for privileges/"rights" between pressure groups we'll always periodically be on the brink of collapse. Every country has this to some extent, but our case is particularly harsh because of ancient political traditions and fascist-style corporativism implemented in the 30s and preserved since then.

>Pretty safe bet, we're talking about politicians, aren't we.
Some more Daciolo facts:
-All candidates must declare their wealth to authorities. He simply stated he owned no property and thus had $0.
-His entire campaign cost R$738, gaining about as many votes as Meirelles, who spend R$ 44 million.
-Embracing his meme status, he posted these on his official Twitter account.

>I'm curious how things will turn out.
Scenario #1: Bolsonaro wins, PSL +conservative sections of the Center and Right form the core of his coalition whilst moderates within Center and Right have to be bought with cabinet posts, restricting his ability to trim off fat but securing a large coalition. Pension reform drains a lot of political capital and prevents him from passing his social conservative proposals such as reduced gun control. Liberalization allows the early recovery seen under Temer's austerity to return (keep in mind markets have responded positively to Bolsonaro), spearheaded by an agricultural sector unburdened by environmental or Amerindian concerns. Meanwhile, high-brow media will bash him at every moment. He'll then have a good chance of winning the 2022 elections aswell as expand and consolidate the PSL, but without this year's enthusiasm.

Scenario #2: Haddad wins and stays true to all of his rhetoric. Greater gibsmedats make bydlos euphoric, but an unfriendly Congress prevents his more radical proposals from going through. Once he tries to go through with his most institutionally dangerous promises (media regulation, a Constituent Assembly) Congress might just as well topple his minority government like it did to Dilma's, and we're back to 2016.

Scenario #3: Same as above, but Haddad remains in power. Venezuelization ensues as radical proposals are enacted and cause long-term economic destruction while the PT strengthens its grip in power.

Scenario #4: Haddad wins and Lula's inner pragmatist instructs him to follow a course similar to his 2002-2006 mandate. The Center is bought out, gibsmedats are handed out to rich and poor alike and everyone is happy as the economy recovers and Haddad (or a pardonned Lula) wins in 2022. However, the boom-bust trait of this model rears its ugly head and stagnation followed by recession commence. At this point the PT's radicalism makes a comeback and impeachment or Venezuelization happen several years down the line.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 18:06:15 [Preview] No.19855 del
>>19854
*who spent


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 18:07:59 [Preview] No.19856 del
>>19851
They vote for like three Presidents or something.


Huebernd Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 18:09:12 [Preview] No.19857 del
>>19856
Belgium tyre


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 21:29:27 [Preview] No.19869 del
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letting nazis escape to South America was a mistake


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 22:49:14 [Preview] No.19870 del
79,25% of votes counted so far. At 48,03%, Bolsonaro is 7 points ahead of the last poll but still behind the magical 50% threshold needed to win the first round.
A Bolsonaro surge expected in the Northeast did not materialize, but while in some states Haddad has a margin of several dozen points ahead of him, on others he's only a few points ahead.
What's new is that not only Bolsonaro buries the old right and takes every single one of the PSDB's states, but also flipped two previously PT-voting states (Amazonas and Rio de Janeiro) aswell as a key swing state (Minas Gerais)
Another new thing: Marina Silva's presidential ambitions are dead. She is now officially a minor/meme candidate, with less votes than Amoêdo, Meirelles and Daciolo.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 22:52:44 [Preview] No.19871 del
Also, Haddad flipped Acre, a previously right-wing state.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 23:25:07 [Preview] No.19872 del
>>19871
He didn't, I must've misread the map.


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 00:19:43 [Preview] No.19873 del
Only 58 seats have been counted for Congress so far and Bolsonaro's Party has already won 7.


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Results by state since 2006. After over a decade of decline, the PT now retreats to its core in the Northeast while Bolsonaro sweeps the rest of the country.


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 02:05:58 [Preview] No.19875 del
And now, at the local level. A curious pattern has emerged: although in the South and Southeast conservative votes are still strongest in small, mostly white towns, state capitals and other major cities have the greatest percentage of Bolsonaro votes in the North and Northeast. This is most prominanent in Amazonas, where Manaus (over 2 million people, heavy industry and an international airport) single-handedly flipped its entire state, defeating all of its other municipalities (2 million people spread over a number of poor towns with little infrastructure). In Pará, Rio Grande do Norte, Paraíba and Alagoas, state capitals voted for Bolsonaro while the rest of their states still voted for Haddad as a whole. I have no clue why this pattern exists, but one reason may be that larger cities are better connected to the wider pro-Bolsonaro trend in the country.


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 02:07:15 [Preview] No.19876 del
Though comparing it with the 2014 map, it seems this trend already existed and has merely become more pronounced.


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Not bad.

So Bolsanaro won by a large 46% compared to Haddad's 29,3 but he did't get over 50% of the votes so second round incoming.

It seems in Bosnia the moderate Croat beat the nationalist one, however the separatist Serb won in the Serb areas.
Here the kernel of the problem is that the country has two entities a Bosnian-Croat and a Serb. The Serbs want to secede and nationalists support this, moderates want to stay. In the Bosnian-Croat part the nationalist Croats want to create their own entity similar to the Serb one, moderates don't. But then it's safe to say if they have that part then they'll work toward secession just like the Serbs do.


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 08:08:44 [Preview] No.19878 del
>>19875
So is this good? Do you think he'll be able to win the 2nd round by himself or will he need to compromise and form coalitions?

Other questions:
How much pro-USA is Bolsnaro? Knowing the pattern I'm guessing a lot, but, let's say just to quantify it, how many more military bases would USA be deploying to the area?
What's in that block of green counties in the very north of the country? It is also partially blue in the 2014 map.


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 14:07:14 [Preview] No.19882 del
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Now this is an impressive Lower House. Although pragmatic opportunists are still in the majority, ideological parties have made great headway, with PT becoming largest party (56 seats), PSL jumping from a tiny party to second largest with 52 seats, NOVO getting 8 seats in its very first election and the MDB reduced to fourth place. Classifying parties according to my previous listing, the Right now has 24%, the Center 46%, the Center-Left 7% and the Left 20%. Once conservatives in the Center (particularly the "Cattle, Guns, Bibles" caucus) are factored in, Bolsonaro already has a solid parliamentary core and can easily reach an absolute majority by buying out the rest of the Center.
Apparently DEM, PR, PP, PTB, PRB and SD are already on Bolsonaro's side. Combined with the PSL, that's already 204 seats or 39% of Congress. DC and PATRI are very likely to join and add 6 seats to that list. NOVO and PSDB can be negotiated with for 37 seats.
Meanwhile, Marina Silva's party wins five senators but only a single congressman -about as much as Eymael's party, which now secured a seat.

>>19878
>So is this good?
He just flipped two huge states and several minor ones, it's a miracle.
>Do you think he'll be able to win the 2nd round by himself or will he need to compromise and form coalitions?
He probably can win the secound round alone, but vote transfer from other candidates (like Amoêdo) would certainly help. But he'll likely still need to compromise in order to build a parliamentary coalition.

>How much pro-USA is Bolsnaro?
He used to be of a nationalistic, anti-American far right, but gradually turned into a neocon.
>how many more military bases would USA be deploying to the area?
Zero, they don't have any need for bases at the moment.
>What's in that block of green counties in the very north of the country? It is also partially blue in the 2014 map.
That's Roraima. As I explained in a previous politics thread, it's right at the frontier of settlement and agricultural expansion and thus votes conservative due to a general hinterland mindset and opposition to environmental and pro-Amerindian policies that burden its dynamic export-based economy. For this same reason In Roraima's case, there's also the border with Venezuela and its refugees, which have been greeted with hostility in the state.


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 19:37:15 [Preview] No.19886 del
>>19882
Next round when?


Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 23:26:48 [Preview] No.19893 del
>>19886
28th of October.


sage Bernd 10/08/2018 (Mon) 23:30:55 [Preview] No.19894 del
News of the day: Haddad visited his master on his cell in Curitiba and stated both of them will be together climbing the presidential palace's ramp on the 1st of January.


Bernd 10/09/2018 (Tue) 17:29:11 [Preview] No.19907 del
>>19894
That scene would deserve a painting. Maybe in baroque style.


Bernd 10/09/2018 (Tue) 22:12:21 [Preview] No.19942 del
Power struggle in the PSDB
João Dória has been an internal rival to Geraldo Alckmin ever since the latter and his friends at the party's helm blocked his presidential ambitions. However, Dória ran for governor of São Paulo and reached the second round in the lead, whereas Alckmin's leadership has just plunged his party into its worst electoral defeat in history, losing every single one of its strongholds and several dozen million voters at the presidential level.
Seeing a golden opportunity unravel before his eyes, Dória defied orders from his higher-ups and rapidly maneuvered, declaring his support for Bolsonaro, expelling one of Alckmin's protegés aswell as an ally of José Serra (another senile party figure) from the PSDB's São Paulo (municipal) section -a move condemned by the party's national leadership- and openly campaigning for Alckmin to step down from the party's command and hand it to him.
Alckmin and Dória met face to face little more than an hour ago on a national party meeting in Brasília to decide their stance on Bolsonaro vs. Haddad. In a tense, bellicose atmosphere, Dória was quashed and the party decided not to declare its support for either candidate. Several sources say Alckmin called Dória a traitor and a coward and there's even a leaked audio from the incident.
However, Dória has not yet been sacked, so it remains to be seen how a discredited and demoralized Alckmin will deal with his party's most critical local cell being led by an ambitious dissident that has just purged his own internal opposition.


sage Bernd 10/09/2018 (Tue) 23:44:43 [Preview] No.19944 del
Meanwhile, Haddad proclaimed financial markets will have to bend over to his will and accidentally said he sympathizes with attacks against a journalist's freedom of expression whilst attempting to say he sympathizes with the journalist on Twitter. On the campaign trail, he expressed his intention to release criminals arrested for only small deeds from prisons.
Fun Haddad fact #1: one of his key proposals to fight crime is installing LED lights across the country.
Fun Haddad fact #2: his nickname is "lamppost" ever since he was called such during in his first São Paulo mayoral run due to his lack of individual strength and reliance on Lula's support. Their clever comeback was that "our lampposts will light up the nation".

Political tensions in everyone's day-to-day conversations are heating up and have reached a level of hostility unseen in the first round. There's a full-blown Brown Scare going rampant, with genuine fears that Bolsonaro will dissolve Congress with military backing in his first day in power and nonstop talk about "fascism". Conservatives can't respond with a realistic definition of fascism because they themselves have spread the boomer "socialism=fascism" meme.
I'm afraid I'll end up revealing my power level if I end up discussing with too many people over politics, I better lay low.


Bernd 10/09/2018 (Tue) 23:52:44 [Preview] No.19945 del
Didn't even sage right


Bernd 10/10/2018 (Wed) 18:42:32 [Preview] No.19964 del
>>19944
>>19945
Why would you sage anyway?

>>19942
Some parties also fall apart here, members attacking and blaming each other for the spring defeat.

>>19944
>"socialism=fascism"
Some context?


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 01:04:16 [Preview] No.19967 del
>>19964
>Why would you sage anyway?
Well, I originally meant to write everything in a single post and did not find it polite to make an unsaged second post. On second thought that's meaningless, particularly on a tiny board like this.

>Some context?
Nothing here is ever original, everything is just a bootleg copy of a First World concept. One such case is local conservatives picking up the American neocon discourse that fascism can be reduced to authoritarianism + economic collectivism and is therefore socialist as socialism is also authoritarianism + economic collectivism. One could seriously discuss connections between fascism and progressivism by examining shared attitudes towards Europe's old aristocratic order, intellectual roots or post-French Revolution concepts, but neocons don't know or care about that and just dumb it down to a political alignment chart. What stands behind this is merely a political desire to slander their opponents by association rather than any serious historical inquiry. Centrists have it even worse, as they are completely clueless to what fascism is and just use it as a synonym for any kind of authoritarianism.
What's really needed right now is getting people to know a proper historical definition of fascism and why it does not apply to any left- or right-wing Latin American movement at the moment, but it's election time and nobody cares about truthfulness.

The first 2nd round polls have come out. Bolsonaro has 58% of valid votes, and Haddad, 42%. Here's a demographic breakdown:

By gender:
Men - 63% Bolsonaro, 37% Haddad
Women - 52%/48%
By age:
16-24 - 53%/47%
25-34 - 60%/40%
35-44 - 57%/43%
45-59 - 57%/43%
>60 - 61%/39%
By level of education:
Elementary school - 47%/53%
High school - 62%/38%
University - 66%/44%
By level of wealth:
<2 minimum wages - 46%/54%
2-5 minimum wages - 66%/34%
5-10 minimum wages - 69%/31%
>10 minimum wages - 67%/33%
By region:
South - 70%/30%
Southeast - 64%/36%
Midwest - 69%/31%
North - 56%/44%
Northeast - 38%/62%
By municipality type:
Capital and capital metropolitan region - 59%/41%
Hinterland - 57%/43%
By municipality population:
<50 thousand - 52%/48%
50-200 thousand - 62%/38%
200-500 thousand - 66%/34%
>500 thousand - 58%/42%
By favored party:
PT - 6%/94%
MDB - 71%/29%
PSDB - 88%/12%
''PSL' - 98%/2%
PDT - 33%/67%
PSOL - 18%/82%
NOVO - 87%/13%
Other - 68%/32%
None - 73%/27%
By religion:
Catholic - 53%/47%
Protestant - 70%/30%
''Spiritist' - 42%/58%
African pagan - 47%/53%
Irreligious - 49%/51%
By race:
Pardo - 54%/46%
White - 68%/32%
Black - 45%/55%
Asian - 59%/41%
Amerindian - 53%/47%


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 05:28:43 [Preview] No.19970 del
>>19967
I don't find it impolite not here and not on a larger board.

>American neocon discourse that fascism can be reduced to...
Ah, I understand now.

>statistics
So basically those voted to Haddad who live in the poorer areas, are poor and less educated.
There are some other points where I see more drastic contrast between the two but some can be explained with the above (eg. by race I feel safe to assume that whites live in richer states, themselves have more wealth and better educated than the others.)


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 18:56:00 [Preview] No.19978 del
>>19967
Fascism ISN'T JUST AUTHORITARIANISM + ECONOMIC COLLECTIVISM. They don't make use of confiscation, they still allow private property and self-motivation. Corporations (National Syndicates) also work WITH the State, in Marxism, everything is under the state. THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 19:07:43 [Preview] No.19982 del
>>19970
>There are some other points where I see more drastic contrast between the two but some can be explained with the above (eg. by race I feel safe to assume that whites live in richer states, themselves have more wealth and better educated than the others.)
Though in some cases it doesn't overlap -for instance, Protestants aren't wealthier or more educated than Catholics (it's usually the opposite).

>>19978
That's what I'm saying, it's senseless boomer rhetoric.


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 19:09:09 [Preview] No.19983 del
>>19978
>Fascism ISN'T JUST AUTHORITARIANISM + ECONOMIC COLLECTIVISM.
Socialism neither. It's just an ideology which deals with equality. The funny thing that such Socialists like Marxists or Bolsheviks wanted to create equality by the "collectivization" of the personal wealth. Taking away the individual's property and giving it to the State which in their system is/was a third party and not just an institution of the collective (or the community).


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 19:10:10 [Preview] No.19984 del
>>19982
Protestants are usually more independent and industrious tho.


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 19:53:20 [Preview] No.19985 del
>>19984
What was the industrial output of the Protestants in the Ottoman empire?


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 19:56:58 [Preview] No.19986 del
>>19985
Protestants barely existed in the Ottoman Empire. There were only a few English expatriates, that's it really. Most of the subjects were Orthodox, and the Hungarians were Catholic.


Bernd 10/11/2018 (Thu) 20:22:39 [Preview] No.19987 del
>>19986
>Hungarians were Catholic.
Nod really. Debrecen for example was called the Calvinist Rome at the time of the Ottoman occupation, large part of the Hungarians were Protestants around that part. Also check Thirty Years' War.

>>19985
I don't think much. The population and the economy of the occupied Hungarian areas continuously suffered from the permanent fighting. That's pretty bad for business.


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There's now a flurry of alleged hate crimes blamed on Bolsonaro, with poorly-drawn swastikas mysteriously appearing throughout the country.

Meanwhile, both candidates are seeking out a wider base, with Haddad stating he'll be true to Catholic principles and Bolsonaro joking to a young gay man that "my kiss will cure you".

And now, a look at some notable individuals who did or did not get elected:

Acir Gurgacz, PDT/Rondônia: Ran for Senator and failed, only getting third place. Second place was some dude named Confucius. Made headlines after getting arrested just a few days after the elections for financial fraud.

Anthony Garotinho, PRP/Rio de Janeiro: former governor, presidential candidate and Brizola ally. Ran for Senator, but saw his campaign declared illegal due to a previous condemnation over R$ 234 million government funds embezzled in 2005-6, and that's just one of his many corruption scandals. Nonetheless, he managed to receive over 80 thousand votes, which were promptly declared invalid.

Alexandre Frota,PSL/São Paulo: former porn actor and tranny conoisseur turned into a popular pro-Bolsonaro activist. Landed 152 thousand votes. Was still telling people he'd fuck their mothers and then fuck them in the ass on Twitter as late as last September.

Tiririca,PR/São Paulo: you've probably already heard of him-this is the literal clown who reached record vote counts on slogans such as "It can't get any worse" and "Do you know what a congressman does? I don't, either. Vote for me and I'll tell you." Promised his career was over earlier on but broke his vows and comfortably secured 445 thousand votes.

Luiz Philippe of Orleans and Braganza, PSL/São Paulo: nephew of the current pretender to the throne. A businessman and intellectual, he recently gained fame through media appearences and a book outlining his vision of the country. Running for congressman, he got himself a seat with 116 thousand votes. A qualified and well-meaning individual, though, as some of his own relatives noted, it is perhaps degrading for someone of his birth to not only join a republican institution but also the most reviled one.

Dilma Rousseff, PT/Minas Gerais: No explanation needed. Sought a senatorial post and failed.

Aécio Neves, PSDB/Minas Gerais: Dilma's opponent in 2014. The most charismatic figure within the PSDB's older generation, he held a senatorial post and was slated to run for President this year until his name was involved in major corruption scandals, leading him to lose his seat... until courts ruled he could assume it again months later. However, with his political capital depleted, he was only able to downgrade to a lower level, running for Congress and winning a seat with over a hundred thousand votes. Also famous for being a cocaine addict.

Kim Kataguiri, DEM/São Paulo: 22-year old cofounder and prominent leader within a grassroots liberal opposition movement. Achieved 465 thousand votes and power has now apparently got to his head, as he has already declared his intention to become speaker of the house.

Luis Miranda, DEM/Federal District: Youtuber who gives legal and business advice to migrants who want to enter America. Got elected with 65 thousand votes.


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Bernd 10/12/2018 (Fri) 16:18:37 [Preview] No.20000 del
>>19989
>>19990
What a colorful personalities. Our politicians are conservative (now not in political sense) compared to them. Maybe Toroczkai with his skinhead, semi-skinhead background and perhaps another one whomsts's name I can't recall right now.


Bavarian State Election Bernd 10/14/2018 (Sun) 17:56:02 [Preview] No.20045 del
Blau-Weiß Austrians having an election coz that's how the Reich ist wörking.
Literally the first (second) link I found:
https://www.thelocal.de/20181014/live-blog-bavarian-elections-2018

Parties:
CSU - Christian Socialist Union, the great Ally of Merkel's CDU - note: literally RAF
SPD - Social Democrats - note: literally RAF
Grüne - Greens - note: literally RAF
FW - "Free" Voters - note: literally RAF
FDP - "Free" Democratic Party - note: literally RAF
Die Linke - Not right. - note: now this one is for sure is RAF, no giddings
AfD - Alternatively Germans - note: literally Hitler

Exit polls out:
CSU is the great loser even if it got the most votes, their popularity dropped from about 48% to 35%. Still they are the strongest even though they need to form a coalition. Question is with whom?
SPD also lost voters, with their 10% they were pushed behind AfD.
The two great winner of the election is the Greens (18%) and the AfD (11%), the latter got in the Bavarian parliament for the first time. I bet now they are planning a Putsch in some shady Münchener Brauhaus.


Our King Sigismund's Estate a.k.a. Drunk Dude's Hometown elections Bernd 10/14/2018 (Sun) 18:21:47 [Preview] No.20046 del
Luxembourg also elects her 60 deputies today.
What is interesting that the have a literal Communist Party. Very interesting. Even our commies aren't go with that name, but with Worker's Party.
Otherwise very boring party list, they have the whole shebang. "Christian socialists", "democrats", "socialists", "greens", "pirates", "alternatives", whatever. And actually if we really scratch the surface there ain't too much of a difference between them, just like everywhere else. The whole thing is "refugees welcome" and "refugees fuck off". Otherwise just playing with percentages in the budget. This is Freedom of Choice for you.


Bernd 10/15/2018 (Mon) 23:09:37 [Preview] No.20083 del
New poll from one of the two major survey companies is out. The past week seemed positive for Haddad, with hate crime scandals falling upon Bolsonaro (with some people I known seriously believing gays and blacks will be lynched in the streets if Haddad loses), major strides towards the center (such as attending Mass and proclaiming himself a good Catholic), Bolsonaro's refusal to take part in debates and the apparent and anedoctal support from voters who stayed neutral in the first round but have now joined him solely because they think Bolsonaro is a fascist.
And yet Bolsonaro not only preserved his lead but expanded it by a point, reaching 59%. The survey also found Haddad's rejection rate is 12 points higher than Bolsonaro's.


Bernd 10/16/2018 (Tue) 13:27:47 [Preview] No.20097 del
>>19982
>>19984
Wait but are these Protestants as you would understand them in Europe or are you talking about that sect popular in Brazil? Evangelion something.

>>19989
>"Do you know what a congressman does? I don't, either. Vote for me and I'll tell you."
>445 thousand votes.
So this dude's now a congressman with 3 times as many votes as his nobleman colleague, uh?

>>20083
Were the media polls accurate enough during the 1st round?


Bernd 10/16/2018 (Tue) 13:39:19 [Preview] No.20099 del
>former porn actor
>Was still telling people he'd fuck their mothers and then fuck them in the ass
>152 thousand votes
Oh and this dude got elected too I guess.

>former porn actor and tranny conoisseur turned into a popular pro-Bolsonaro activist
How can this possibly work? Did Bolsonaro acknowledge him in any way or is it all just a fucking joke like with the other clown.


Bernd 10/16/2018 (Tue) 21:39:17 [Preview] No.20127 del
>>20097
>Wait but are these Protestants as you would understand them in Europe or are you talking about that sect popular in Brazil? Evangelion something.
They're usually called "evangelicals". A minority belong to traditional European denominations such as Lutheranism, but they're ethnic churches concentrated in a few 19th century or earlier settler communities. But most are recent bydlo converts to unconventional denominations, and so Protestantism as a whole is seen as a bydlo phenomenon.

>So this dude's now a congressman with 3 times as many votes as his nobleman colleague, uh?
He's been in power for several mandates already. 445 thousand votes is actually a downgrade from his earlier performance in 2010, when he broke records and got 1,353,766 votes.

>Were the media polls accurate enough during the 1st round?
The last major polls before voting inflated minor candidates and underestimated both Bolsonaro and Haddad's voting count by 4-5 points.
What's funny about polling is that for a long time, Bolsonaro's voters were claiming the polls were rigged against him. Then, when in the last week before the first round Bolsonaro just continually rose, leftists were the ones claiming poll numbers were faked.

>>20099
>Did Bolsonaro acknowledge him in any way
He did, and even joked about appointing him to Minister of Culture. What you need to keep in mind is firstly, that although Frota is still naught in his language, he has tried to redeem himself; secondly, Bolsonaro has become increasingly soft and politically correct over time; and thirdly, that this is a Med culture and bydlos are not too concerned about a masculine man whose only homosexual experiences are exclusively active and with trannies.

>is it all just a fucking joke like
Everything is a joke.


sage Bernd 10/16/2018 (Tue) 21:39:44 [Preview] No.20128 del
>>20127
still naughty in his language


Bernd 10/17/2018 (Wed) 20:07:33 [Preview] No.20143 del
>>20127
>Everything is a joke.
Very true statement. Especially in politics.


Bernd 10/18/2018 (Thu) 12:22:50 [Preview] No.20152 del
>>20127
>He's been in power for several mandates already
What hte fuck. So by now he should have already fulfilled his promise of explaining what a congressman does.

>Frota has tried to redeem himself
>brazilian bydlos: fucking traps is not gay
>Bolsonaro has become increasingly soft and politically correct over time
Too bad to hear that. Somehow I got the impression that he valued virtue and morality but he's just a politician after all, winning matters most and it would be difficult without the uncultured masses. Hail Democracy!
Hopefully is just an affectation and a Bolsonaro presidency will still strongly uphold traditional values.


Bernd 10/18/2018 (Thu) 16:31:08 [Preview] No.20162 del
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>>20152
>Hopefully is just an affectation and a Bolsonaro presidency will still strongly uphold traditional values.
All that will realistically happen is a blockade on progressive legislation and the reduction or elimination of current state programs that endorse social progressivism and fund activists. This will be a good thing and create a lot of butthurt in the opposition but ultimately do little do stop societal trends that have been set in motion long ago -the state as a whole and much less just the cabinet and ruling coalition can only nudge these things in the direction they desire rather than pull off immediate change, particularly when they're fighting against the current.

News of the day: an arrest warrant has been issued for Eurípedes Júnior, current head of the Republican Party of Social Order, over his participation in a scheme to embezzle funds earmarked for purchasing medical gases. As of last hour, he had not yet been captured or given in and his whereabouts are unknown. His party issued a note clarifying they have no involvement in any illegal acts, but did not specify his location.


Bernd 10/19/2018 (Fri) 22:13:14 [Preview] No.20169 del
Some bigger news later yesterday. Endchan was down so I couldn't post.

A new poll was out. Bolsonaro is still at 59%, no changes since last weekend. Once abstentions and blank&invalid votes are factored in, Bolsonaro has 50%, and Haddad, 35%. Opinions are well-entrenched: the rate of voters willing to change their choice is very low among those with a valid vote and only 25% among the invalid/abstaining crowd, meaning Haddad would lose even if he managed to sway every single undecided voter to his side. This happened despite increased attacks on Bolsonaro (with anti-gun scaremongering and much attention given to David Duke's endorsement of him) and Haddad's attempts to appease Protestants (useless, as all major pastors have already endorsed Bolsonaro) and ally with the PSDB (which responded with niceties but politely refused). Bolsonaro just shrughs everything like water off a raincoat and stands unbeatable in his winning position. Haddad is already in panic.

However, it seems Haddad has found his silver bullet. A major newspaper reported that companies tied to Bolsonaro allegedly spent millions to send political advertisements to a great number of voters on Whatsapp. As this spending was not declared to electoral authorities, it is illegal and could result in Bolsonaro's bid being declared illegal. Bolsonaro's campaign responded in an unclear manner (blaming it on sympathizers whose actions are unknown to him), suggesting there's truth to it, but the newspaper provided no evidence whatsoever and didn't even name their sources.
The PT now wants the second round delayed and remade between Haddad and the third most voted candidate (i.e. Ciro Gomes), and already filed a request for Bolsonaro being banned from running now, in 2022, and, just to be safe, in 2026 too. As their document was poorly thought out and written, it is very likely to be dismissed in courts. Even if another one is made, it is unlikely for our slow legal system to fully evaluate the case just a week from the elections, so they're most definitively still happening. Any real judgement of this will drag along after he's elected and even well into his mandate, and it remains to be seen if the accusers have solid evidence on their side -Dilma was accused of similar crimes in 2014 and absolved despite the existence of evidence against her, so only a strong case can bring down Bolsonaro.
PSOL and the PT have also requested restrictions on Whatsapp or even a temporary ban until the 28th of October under the guise of fighting fake news. Some commentators have noted that the PT has already accepted is loss and is doing this not as the key to victory but to build up its own odds as the opposition. Even if these accusations turn out to be false, a strong narrative has been built and "fake news on Whatsapp" have become the local version of "Russian hacking" on America -a convenient rhetorical tool to excuse one's defeat and claim the opponent has no democratic legitimacy.
Behind this there's also an enduring frustration from old media about its loss of power and prestige to decentralized discussion on social media (see: designated TV time having no effect on candidate popularity, with Alckmin failing despite his many minutes and Bolsonaro winning with less than 10 seconds), with Whatsapp becoming a critically important channel for propaganda. As it has no self-righteous journalists to boss them around, it allows bydlos to share their 89iq memes (and indeed, plenty of fake news from both sides, though traditional media is just as false -it's merely better at being manipulative) at will.


Bernd 10/19/2018 (Fri) 22:18:13 [Preview] No.20170 del
>>20169
When is the next Brazil election?


Bernd 10/19/2018 (Fri) 22:18:41 [Preview] No.20171 del
Federal Police investigators have made progress on the Bolsonaro murder attempt case. They now suspect it may be tied to the PCC -Primeiro Comando da Capital-, São Paulo's largest drug cartel and one of the most powerful in the entire continent.

Meanwhile, Eurípedes Júnior is still at large.


Bernd 10/19/2018 (Fri) 22:19:13 [Preview] No.20172 del
>>20170
Second round is in the 28th of October. Next general elections are in 2022.


Bernd 10/19/2018 (Fri) 22:20:35 [Preview] No.20173 del
>>20172
OK thanks. I'm going to love to see the results of this.


Bernd 10/20/2018 (Sat) 06:50:33 [Preview] No.20174 del
>>20173
Yo jpball, are you the one who was working on a game?


Bernd 10/20/2018 (Sat) 07:20:04 [Preview] No.20175 del
>>20169
>blaming it on sympathizers whose actions are unknown to him
Let's say someone clean breaks into politics with the intention of making things right and all the idealist stuff like that. He does everything to preserve his integrity, doing everything straight, by the books, in the open so the public can see he is clean and will be. But he can't do it alone, even for a position in local government of a settlement he needs a Stab, a staff to manage the whole thing. At first one or two people on the lowest level but as he step forward and rose into higher levels of government he would need more and more people. And ofc there would be followers and a whole mass would start to form around him. Could be everyone vetted if they are squeaky clean too? And we aren't talking about moles who would be sent to work themselves into trusted positions where they can perform their disruptive actions but simple good natured trusting idiots who get involved into shit or corrupt careerists who just want to ride the popularity and don't afraid to use shady tools. And shit will splash to the top.
>Whatsapp
>allows bydlos to share their 89iq memes (and indeed, plenty of fake news from both sides, though traditional media is just as false -it's merely better at being manipulative) at will.
It's a new age for propaganda it's clear.


Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 00:16:45 [Preview] No.20184 del
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Courts went ahead with investigating Bolsonaro's campaign funding, but denied requests for search&seizure or arrest warrants due to the lack of evidence from the accusers' side.

Bolsonaro's son made ripples after a four month-old video of his stating "if you want to close the Supreme Court, do you know what you do? You don't even need a jeep, you just send a private and a corporal" was resurfaced by Haddad. He apologized for the comment. Typically his enemies are the ones making such uncomfortable comments about the courts, such as Ciro Gomes saying he'd "place judges back in their little box" and Haddad feeding hopes of a presidential pardon to Lula.

Some large street demonstrations in favor of Bolsonaro all across the country.

Bolsonaro is already discussing his cabinet and future moves: astronaut Marco Pontes is slated to become Minister of Science and Technology. Ilan Goldfajn, current head of the Central Bank, may retain his post. An end to reelections has been put forward as a measure of political reform.


Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 20:49:30 [Preview] No.20213 del
>>20184
>just send a private and a corporal
Nice little "golden spit".


Bernd 10/22/2018 (Mon) 22:34:34 [Preview] No.20216 del
Haddad bashed the Armed Forces, claiming that hardliners threaten national institutions and four-star general Sergio Etchegoyen is attempting to control the Supreme Electoral Court.

Marina Silva has declared her support for Haddad.


Bernd 10/23/2018 (Tue) 19:27:03 [Preview] No.20239 del
A porn video of João Dória banging four women has appeared. He claims it's fake.

Singer Geraldo Azevedo accused Mourão of torturing him in 1969, and Haddad publicized this accusation. However, Mourão was born was 16-year old at the time and only joined the military in 1972. Both Haddad and Azevedo have apologized for their false claim.


Bernd 10/23/2018 (Tue) 19:27:47 [Preview] No.20240 del
>>20239
*Mourão was born in 1953, was 16-year old at the time and only joined the military in 1972


Bernd 10/23/2018 (Tue) 19:41:08 [Preview] No.20241 del
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Five women. He's far away from the camera, lying in bed, while they all approach him from the left. It's low-res, so you can't be sure if it's really him.


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 00:04:16 [Preview] No.20244 del
New poll today. Bolsonaro is at 57% of valid votes, Haddad rises to 43%. Most importantly, Haddad now has a rejection rate only a single point higher than Bolsonaro's, showing his advance towards the center has had some effectivenes.
On total votes, Bolsonaro has in fact remained where he was -50%- while Haddad rose to 37%, showing his modest increase came from neutral voters.


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 00:07:51 [Preview] No.20245 del
>>20244
Bolsonaro didn't remain where he was, he lost 2 points to blank/invalid votes while Haddad remained in place. I was thinking of another polling company's numbers.


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 15:46:57 [Preview] No.20251 del
>>20244
>>20245
They still have a few days to pile more shit over the stack but doesn't seem the scale can be tipped over.


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 18:58:52 [Preview] No.20252 del
Eduardo Jorge, Marina Silva's running mate, has declared he won't vote for either candidate. This is something of a surprise, as he was always seen as left of Marina (with a strong emphasis on cannabis legalization as a campaign theme) and yet Marina backs Haddad.

Rapper Mano Brown has spoken at a Haddad campaign event. Although backing Haddad, he had a very pessimistic and self-critical tone, arguing that defeat is inevitable and his side must try to understand Bolsonaro's voters. He was booed by Haddad's supporters.

The National Conference of Bishops has issued an electoral statement with wording that seems to to support Haddad, proving how strong Liberation Theology still is within the clergy -though not the rank and file.

Shortly after the first round, a 19-year old woman in Porto Alegre drew nationwide attention after claiming three men attacked her for wearing an anti-Bolsonaro shirt, holding her down and drawing a swastika on her body with a pocket knife.
A medical report on the case has finally been published. No signs of sudden agression and resistance have been found, leading to a conclusion that the wounds were self-inflicted or made with someone else's consent.
Based on this and other evidences -such as the lack of eyewitness evidence- Rio Grande do Sul's Civil Police will indict her for making false claims.

>>20251
He has a small chance of victory if he continues this growth and pulls off a last minute surge among centrists.


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 19:54:58 [Preview] No.20255 del
>>20252
Is that a thinly veiled "Brasil white!" picture? I wonder who's idiotic idea was that cutting thing. I also don't get why would Bolsonaro supporters carve swastika into people, usually such acts were committed against those who collaborators of nazis (e.g in France).


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 19:55:47 [Preview] No.20256 del
>>20255
*who were collaborators


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 20:51:41 [Preview] No.20258 del
>>20255
>Is that a thinly veiled "Brasil white!" picture?
It's Rio Grande do Sul -like Argentina, a mighty bastion of whiteness.

>I wonder who's idiotic idea was that cutting thing
It was a self-inflicted wound.


Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 05:23:53 [Preview] No.20259 del
>>20258
>It was a self-inflicted wound.
But wasn't necessarily her idea. It's clear with this act she wanted to set the Bolsonaro supporters up as nazis and drew nationwide attention to this message, it was a "false flag operation" if you will. Maybe she didn't act alone, had a "mastermind" behind it, maybe she was a political activist not a random person from the street.


Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 12:25:23 [Preview] No.20262 del
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>>20252
every time


Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 22:14:01 [Preview] No.20280 del
New poll is out. Bolsonaro is down to 56% of valid votes while Haddad rises to 44%. On total votes, Bolsonaro has 48%, and Haddad, 38%. There are 6% of undecided voters.


Bernd 10/25/2018 (Thu) 22:21:30 [Preview] No.20281 del
Some different data on rejection rates this time. Bolsonaro has 44%, and Haddad, 52%.


Bernd 10/27/2018 (Sat) 15:25:48 [Preview] No.20314 del
>>20280
Well, tomorrow is the day. I'm curious about the result. But also if Bolsonaro would really bring any change (without the word memetic meaning) to Brazil.


Bernd 10/27/2018 (Sat) 19:52:01 [Preview] No.20318 del
>>20162
>societal trends that have been set in motion long ago
Hm, how long you reckon?
>the state as a whole and much less just the cabinet and ruling coalition can only nudge these things in the direction they desire rather than pull off immediate change, particularly when they're fighting against the current.
For the record, I don't like this fatalism and I might write more but now I'll just say: you make it sound like "the state" is disjoint with whatever constitutes "the current", because how could the current be so against the state if the former elects the latter. I mean, are you telling me de-democracy doesn't q-quite work???

>>20169
>decentralized discussion on social media
>decentralized
[autism intensifies]
Yes it's a qualifier for the "discussion" not the "social media", but still sounds ridiculous to me.
>traditional media is just as false -it's merely better at being manipulative
Maybe what you mean is more skilfully disguised, more devious, less crass and overt. And that's true, but many of them seemingly concluded that on its own that might not be the more efficient strategy in the game of persuasion at massive scale. So not only can you find the traditional media inside "social media", you can now also see them using similar "89iq memes" and crass propaganda, although they might try to keep that sort of thing farther away from their more established platforms (they might not put it on real paper) and their organisational image (they might not publish it directly under their brand, but maybe via the personal blogs or accounts of their employees).


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 03:23:17 [Preview] No.20322 del
Last polls are out. One has Bolsonaro at 55%, and another, at 54%, with Haddad at 45% or 46%. With all votes factored in, Bolsonaro's margin of advantage is a couple points higher. I'd say at this point Bolsonaro has a 90% chance of victory.

Ciro Gomes has arrived in the country after three weeks resting in Europe. As he had declared support for Haddad as soon as first round results were published, his allies requested -and everyone expected- he'd make a video formally requesting votes for Haddad. Instead, he spoke in a pro-Haddad tone, asking people to vote "for democracy and against intolerance" but refused to take a stand. Earlier on, his son caused a ruckus after chastising Lula and the PT on a campaign event; he later clarified he's still voting Haddad, but the damage was done and Bolsonaro used footage of the incident in his propaganda. It's a pleasure to see the PDT giving the middle finger to the PT: as an old, sophisticated organization, they're still salty over being reduced to a junior partner to Lula's crude and power-hungry party.

Lula celebrates his birthday today. Nicolás Maduro expressed his support, while Senator and national PT president Gleisi Hoffmann said a Haddad victory followed by a presidential pardon would be an ideal birthday gift.

Gubernatorial second rounds are also held in 14 states tomorrow. Trends in gubernatorial elections this year have been a shift to the right, a high rate of renewal, and several surprises. Notable campaigns include:

São Paulo: João Dória (PSDB), São Paulo mayor elected in 2016 who resigned to run, faces off against Márcio França (PSB), the state's vice-governor elected in 2014 as Alckmin's running mate and governor since April 2018, when Alckmin resigned to run for President. A popular mayor, Dória initially had a large advantage and tried to associate himself with Bolsonaro. However, Bolsonaro refused to take a side, with PSL figures divided in their support, while even figures in Doria's own party backed França. Then Dória's sex scandal >>20241 made an impact. Dória melted away in polls, with the latest showing him at 50% or 49%. This will be a very tight and unpredictable race.

Minas Gerais: Romeu Zema (NOVO), a minor candidate who rose spectacularly in the first round, faces off against senator Antônio Anastasia (PSDB). Like São Paulo, this is a battle between a Bolsonaro-supporting new right candidate and an old centrist. But Zema has a comfortable advantage and sits at 70% in the polls.

Rio de Janeiro: Wilson Witzel (PSC) faces off against former Rio mayor Eduardo Paes (DEM). Witzel, a nobody with no expression in polls, surprised everyone in the first round and is now expected to win with 53% of the vote.

>>20318
>Hm, how long you reckon?
Decades or a few centuries ago, but if you follow the chain of events it just infinitely flows back into history.

>you make it sound like "the state" is disjoint with whatever constitutes "the current", because how could the current be so against the state if the former elects the latter
By the "current" I don't mean the population's political wishes but wider societal trends. Think of the impacts urbanization has on social relations and organization: there's little a government can do to stop them, as they're more or less "natural" social results of an economic process. Likewise, think of situations which lead elites to act in a certain way and thus create a completely new and unexpected situation with different behavioral incentives.
I don't mean that economics and technology always determine societal organisation and cultural developments (oftentimes, it's the reverse), nor that there's no social engineering going on, but I think you get it.

>Maybe what you mean is more skilfully disguised, more devious, less crass and overt.
Yeah, that's what I meant.


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 22:13:28 [Preview] No.20333 del
88% of votes have been counted. Bolsonaro has 56,7% and has already won.


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 22:13:57 [Preview] No.20334 del
92%. Bolsonaro has 55,6%.


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 22:24:52 [Preview] No.20337 del
94%. Bolsonaro has 55,5%.


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 23:00:33 [Preview] No.20338 del
>>20333
>Bolsonaro has 56,7% and has already won.

Remember, miracles can happen: >>19343


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 23:15:17 [Preview] No.20339 del
>Bolsonaro
Great guy, really cares about its people


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 23:15:32 [Preview] No.20340 del
>>20337
It turns out that the boomer neocon Bolsonaro beat the Trotskyist Haddad.


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 23:28:10 [Preview] No.20341 del
>>20339
But where is he wrong on 1st pic? Palestine isn't a country.


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 01:22:51 [Preview] No.20344 del
>>20341
Palestine is barely a country thanks to the U.N., Balfour Declaration, Lord Rothschild, Britain, Zionism, and supportive Jews and non-Jews alike
Closing the Palestinian embassy won't help either, and to make your first trip to Isreal says a lot as well.


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 01:28:42 [Preview] No.20345 del
>>20344
>supportive
Of Israel, that is.


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 06:18:33 [Preview] No.20346 del
>>20337
Congratulation O Presidente!

>>20339
So? Go and scare /pol/ with the Jewish boogeyman.
Also if you'd read the thread you would know this was already mentioned here: >>19810
>pro-Israel attitude
also here: >>19807
>Foreign policy
And to be frank... wtf do you expect? It's not the 1930's anymore.


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 14:18:46 [Preview] No.20350 del
BBC were calling Bolsonaro "far-right", kek. Isn't he just another Trump tier neocon?


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 15:00:26 [Preview] No.20351 del
>>20350
I just said he was. He's the same as Trump, Orban, and Salvini.


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 16:26:04 [Preview] No.20357 del
>>20346
>So? Go and scare /pol/ with the Jewish boogeyman.
I'm no fan of /pol/ either, but let me tell you, there is a conspiracy against the west, against Europeans (and all non-Jews), against nature, and yes there is a big Jewish influence in movements undermining western society whether it be directly (religion or related cults) or indirectly (through infiltration of Freemasonry[1], creation of Commmunism[2], etc), that's not to say every Jewish person is involved.

Regarding communism (created by Marx, a Jew) Trotsky*, Lenin*, Uritsky*, Sverdlov*, Zinoviev*, Lashevich* were all Jews and were the the most prominent people in the first Bolshevik government and in the Bolshevik revolution which killed many millions of Russians. And in Soviet Russia "anti-Semitism" was punishable by death under Stalin.
Regarding "Cultural Marxism" which was developed by the Frankfurt School and its founders and most influential people were also Jewish (e.g, Marcuse, Horkheimer, Adorno, Benjamin, Fromm, Pollock, Löwenthal, Kracauer, Kirchheimer)[2]

*Pictured, see first row of the first Bolshevik government, wholly funded by Jewish and non-Jewish bankers overseas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2nd_Congress_of_Soviets_of_the_Nothern_region_presidium.jpg


Bernd 10/29/2018 (Mon) 16:29:51 [Preview] No.20359 del
>>20357
>[1]
This should suffice:
>"Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."
- Rabbi Isaac Wise
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/6335-freemasonry


Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 00:33:31 [Preview] No.20373 del
>>20339
Bolsonaro's philosemitism is actually a recent development.
Bolsonaro used to follow the worldview of 70s military hardliners: 19th century French positivism combined with a sort of right-wing Third Worldism, with indifference towards Israel and implicit hostility towards America. This ideology slowly died out and its last representatives in Congress ceased to exist by the last decade. At about the same period, demand for an intellectual core for a then-emerging conservative movement was filled by a ready-made foreign ideology: burger neoconservatism. As it was imported in its entirety with no concern for how local subtleties differed from American conditions, Israel worship was embraced and turned into a major issue.
Bolsonaro then shifted to this new paradigm, though preserving his attitude and key talking points such as law&order, and became a Zionist overnight in the process.

This is stupid not merely because of the Israeli-Arab conflict itself but also due to how little relevance it has to the country: he gives disproportionate attention to a foreign policy issue of tertiary importance. In fact, if he does indeed move our embassy to Jerusalem, Arab countries -who we currently have good trade relationships with- will retaliate.

As for Masonry, it's nothing unexpected: nearly 100% of the ruling political class has been part of it in this country since ancient times: D.Pedro II was a Mason, and so were key figures behind national independence in the 1810s and 1820s.

>>20350
If you look beyond his controversial rhetoric (most of which was made many years ago) and examine his actual policy proposals, he really doesn't go much beyond Trump-tier neoconservatism. Leftists are just hyping him up as some sort of beach Mussolini so they can live out their persecution fantasies. They're even following their American counterparts, calling themselves the "resistance" and making Harry Potter comparisons.

>>20357
You could start a thread to discuss merchants and merchantry, there's some points I can make on what you said.


Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 01:57:59 [Preview] No.20374 del
>>20373
>They're even following their American counterparts, calling themselves the "resistance" and making Harry Potter comparisons.
Having nothing to cheer for, I at least enjoyed the neoliberal tears and memes thereof when Trump was elected. Is there any fun to be had in this case?


Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 06:46:03 [Preview] No.20375 del
>>20357
>>20359
Why would "they" wanna destroy something "they" actively helped to build since the Middle Ages but especially in the past two hundred years? Not just financiers but statesmen and scientists as well. Frankly the fact that the West is so rich and powerful can be thanked for the Jews by large. Even to Marx who is basically the father of modern economics.
Btw why everyone forgets about Engels who was great "workforce" for the communism maybe even larger than Marx. And the Bolshevik revolution couldn't have succeded without the goyim, not without the German Empire which helped Lenin to return to Russia and not without all the "revolutionary" groups of 1917 who assumed power until incompetently lost it to the Bolsheviks.
Ofc Jews in general are nepotistic as fuck and ofc "they" didn't help to build the West for altruistic reasons, "they" did it as it's in their best interest. Now all of them can enjoy that freedom and those rights which are accessible all the goyim in the West (and now in rest of Europe and some other places in the world).
There's a reason why so many Jews were prominent figures of the two big ideologies, liberalism and socialism. And the reason is that these offered a way out of the seclusion they were forced in by their own stupid religion. The religion which always made them the alien minority everywhere, the religion which cultivated their victimhood throughout thousands of years, the religion what they just couldn't give up no matter how much unpleasentness it caused to them. It preserved their identity (a very important thing to them) but alienated them from their surroundings, created constant conflicts with the goyim.
They were isolated bodies in the bodies of nations, a community inside a community and when the three big political ideologies came nationalism couldn't offer them anything as they would had to give up their own self and assimilate and they couldn't form their own state either. But the ideas of freedom and equality meant the dissolution of this isolation, it meant there is a way they could interact with those around them just like everyone else without stigmas or obstructive laws. So they drifted towards liberalism and socialism and utilized them to their advantage. This is why there are so many Jewish advocates in liberal and socialist movements, especially in their internationalist trends, oftentimes in revolutionary, subversive or anarchist branches.
Ofc with the formation of Israel, now nationalism too can find it's way among them, as now they started to form a real community and now they aren't just a bunch of isolated communities connected only by religion. This is another tale tho.


Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 12:30:21 [Preview] No.20378 del
>>20375
>Ofc Jews in general are nepotistic as fuck and ofc "they" didn't help to build the West for altruistic reasons, "they" did it as it's in their best interest.
I think this is the main reason behind Jewish influence in these conspiracy theories. Rather than being an active effort by Jews as a whole, it's more that Jews just happen to make up a big part of the social elite due to nepotism, as well as their historical positions as bankers, merchants, court Jews etc.


Bernd 10/30/2018 (Tue) 18:52:52 [Preview] No.20384 del
>>20378
>main reason
Sounds likely. Another reason is also related: "corruption is what they left me out of". The whole Medieval was very nepotistic, just think about the Catholic church or the alliances of the noble houses but they were "our dog's pup" and their mentality survived for long, even up to this day (but very much observable on the interwar Hungary for example). The Jews on the other hand are strangers among "us" and they pass around favors among themselves leaving "us" out. Ofc they are corrupt conspirators who destroy our way of life by their evil schemes.


Bernd 10/31/2018 (Wed) 23:53:21 [Preview] No.20404 del
>>20374
>Is there any fun to be had in this case?
The kind of shock reactions to Trump's election were absent this time, as polls were predicting Bolsonaro's victory for a month and by the time vote counting was made public, it was already at over 80% of votes. The chief source of memes and copypastas has been of allegedly "true" stories posted by Haddad's female voters on social media, the most famous of which involves an university student getting threatened by her father with a 9mm as he said "it's a new age, are you afraid?".

>>20375
>>20378
>>20384
The position of Jews within Western society isn't an unique historical phenomenon. There's an entire term for it -middleman minority- with a number of other examples, such as Arabs and Chinese. This condition is chiefly a result of diaspora status (the common link with other middlemen minorities), but also historical restrictions on Jewish activity and the reinforcing effect of high Ashkenazi IQ (which arose after middleman minority status was achieved and due to it, but helped consolidate it).
In turn, being a middleman minority makes Jews overrepresented in several ideologies, both because of their intelligentsia position (as the intelligentsia as a whole has a distinct ideological bias) and because it is in their natural interest to weaken the majority's ethnic nepotism/cohesion and remove barriers to minority power. Kevin MacDonald speaks of this.
But that's just the materialistic explanation. I don't doubt peculiar traits of Jewish religion and culture and their relationships to gentiles are also at play.

>>20357
Soviet Jews are a complicated matter. It is true that a large number of Jews were present since the CPSU's earliest days (though other minorities such as Balts and Volga Germans were also overrepresented in Tsarist Russia's opposition as a whole, and other factions besides the Bolshevikes had higher rates of Jewishness). Nevertheless, Stalin ended up purging many of those Jews and his rule acquired antisemitic overtones in his last years, as the doctors' plot demonstrates. After a period of early support for Israel, the USSR followed a firm anti-Zionist stance, and its Jewish population, although powerful to this very day, wasn't clearly in charge, with Westerners deeming it opressed and such strong emigration that it had to be restricted. As soon as controls were lifted in the 80s, Soviet Jews then left en masse.

As for Lenin, he was not Jewish by merchant standards of matrilineality and only a small share of his ancestry was Jewish.


Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 08:45:15 [Preview] No.20406 del
>>20404
>middleman minority
Checked Wiki quickly and the article states several times that they reached their positions despite discrimination. Might be that actual publications in this topic mention this - reading a book about this right now is just out of my possibilities due to it's time consuming nature - but I would go that far and say they reached their positions because of this negative discrimination. Their precarious state is/was an advantage in their situation.
Similar case when (semi-)absolutistic rulers who had more or less firm grip on power raised lowborns into high positions. They didn't want to empower some noble in a rival league and losing influence but wanted controllable individuals with noone backing them and dependent on the king's person. Similar with the Jews, they were disposable assets noone would miss in case things go sour and they need to go. Thanks to their undesirability for the general populace they lacked that social network that made nobles (and the Church) so inconvenient, they only had other Jews which basically didn't count.
However as the wheel of time turned and socio-econimcal changes started to took root and old stigmas lost their meaning they became the same inconvenient factor in power what nobles (and the Church) were. And now we stuck with them.
I'm not sure who said: Jews are like salt, in small amount it makes the soup tasty but too much turns it inedible.

Jews played important role in communism here as well. Both in the Soviet of 1919 and the state-socialism after WWII. Their "golden age" overlapped Stalin's last years - basically they were hardcore Stalinist - when a five person clique, The Quintet, ruled the country. All five were Jews and their tool to power the state police's (ÁVO then ÁVH) officer corps were also crowded with them. In '56 they lost positions and lost influence but they still were prominent - I would say up to this day - but it's little hard to look into it because one can earn the anti-semite stigma pretty fast. Nevertheless they happily served an anti-Israel system what you mentioned basically. It's kind of a hypocrisy on their part that they now the greatest Israel supporters (despite for some reason they refuse to Aliyah) but understandable as they too couldn't go against the grain, against the offical communist/socialist standpoint.
This anti-Zionist stance, as how you call it, was based on the view that Israel was a capitalist country, a creaton of Western "imperialists" and not of the "proletariat" backed by the Soviet. I read or heard somewhere, can't remember anymore, that Lenin had a notion to make a new JewishCKanaan in Crimea - which was later realized in Birobidzhan, maybe Crimea just sounded too good for them according to Stalin.

>Soviet Jews are a complicated matter
Moar liek:
>Jews are a complicated matter


Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 12:49:41 [Preview] No.20409 del
Forgot to post this: gubernatorial election results. Zema, Dória and Witzel all won, and several oligarchs, such as Amazonino Mendes, who intermittently ruled Amazonas or its capital since the 80s, were toppled by ideological candidates.


Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 23:31:56 [Preview] No.20416 del
Bolsonaro slowly pieces together his cabinet. Instead of having a large number of ministries and selling them to parties and oligarchs in exchange for parliamentary support none of this was a secret, high-brow media openly reported on each minister's patron , he will consolidate the existing 29 ministries and ministry-level institutions into 15-16 ones and mostly name technical choices. Controversial picks include:

-The Ministries of Agriculture and the Environment are set to be merged. Due to the conflicts of interest involved, this has been a point of contention and Bolsonaro may fall back on this choice.

-A newly-created "Ministry of the Family" will be handed over to Magno Malta, an opportunistic old Senator (now voted out of power in his state) who found himself involved in several corruption scandals and successively backed Lula, Dilma and Temer before getting into Bolsonaro's inner circle. This stands out from other ministries, some of which have very promising picks, and pollutes the following government from the very beginning.

-Sérgio Moro, a popular and highly respected judge who played a key role in Lava Jato was considered as a Supreme Court pick, but was now invited -and accepted- to command a "superministry" of Justice formed from the merger of several organizations. This plays well for Bolsonaro, but not for Moro himself, who previously promised not to enter politics and now lost a small part of his legitimacy. This is a rhetorical triumph for the left, which has insistently denied each and every single accusation levied against Lula and claimed he's a victim of political persecution. Some have also criticized this on technical grounds, as his work on Lava Jato would have to stop as either a minister or part of the Supreme Court. His new position will, however, allow him to implement measures against corruption as a whole, and has been met with fear by shady elements in Brasília.


Bernd 11/04/2018 (Sun) 08:03:56 [Preview] No.20438 del
Today is Index day. I mean I checked the news. I put this here because it fits better in politics.
The sauce:
https://index.hu/belfold/2018/10/31/ungar_peter_nem_lehet_mindent_a_fideszre_fogni/

And for the uncultured savages who can't even speak Hungarian, here's what's this about. It's not some bombastic stuff, but pretty daring for someone among the Liberals to tell these things.
So, Ungár Péter, one of the leading politicians of the LMP, member of the National Assembly, talks in this article that the recent politics of the opposition cannot be continued. The Fidesz won the third times with 2/3 in sequence, it's clear that something wrong with the opposition too. Not everything can be blamed on the Fidesz, it's oppressive media coverage and the electoral system created by them to favor them. The LMP should coordinate more with the Jobbik in short term and work even more closer on the long run. From the Socialist parties many people has to go as they are unacceptable for the waste majority of the Hungarians. In migrant question it isn't good politics to say the opposite what the Fidesz says and it's allright to agree with them.
Next spring EU elections are coming, it has a different electoral system and it is very likely the Fidesz will won by large again if the opposition doesn't changes it's strategy.

From where I see it he is right. The opposition right now is impotent, they should change a lot.
What I don't see on the spectrum now is a group of liberals who are willing to support national ideals. Liberalism isn't just promoting degeneracy, but promoting new ideas, new solutions to problems which can't be solved with old tools. One can be progressive even if doesn't want to destroy the community but wants to preserve it.
Now he's being attacked by his rivals in the party and others among the left-liberals ofc.
On the other hand his mum is Schmidt Mária (director of House of Terror:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Terror ) who is pretty close to the Fidesz.
We'll see what happens.


Bernd 11/04/2018 (Sun) 17:01:14 [Preview] No.20444 del
>>20416
Compromises have to be made sometimes. Wonder what was the price for that Ministry of the Family.


Bernd 11/04/2018 (Sun) 21:50:08 [Preview] No.20446 del
>>20444
It's a compensation for his support.
Bolsonaro's parliamentary base has so far followed his stance on ministers: he hasn't formally allied any party, and apparently intends to negotiate votes for each individual bill, counting on his wide popular goodwill as an important card to pressure Congress. It remains to be seen how far he'll go through with this.


Supreme Court nominations are already being considered, but aside from Moro, Bolsonaro's team has said nothing at all on this topic. Judges have to retire when they're 75, and one of them reaches that age by 2020, allowing the Presidency to name another one. There's a bill to reduce retirement age to 70. If it were passed, several judges would be instantly retired and more could then be appointed.


Bernd 11/04/2018 (Sun) 21:52:42 [Preview] No.20447 del
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And now, a sample of the kind of content soon-to-be Congressman Frota posts online.


Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 12:42:55 [Preview] No.20455 del
>>20447
That can't be real. Surely not.


Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 12:53:22 [Preview] No.20456 del
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Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 16:49:20 [Preview] No.20458 del
>>20455
>>20456
Well it's kinda for the shock value.

t. took the time to translate text


Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 21:50:21 [Preview] No.20461 del
>>20455
It's completely real.
https://archive.fo/cX4zR

And now even the Nipponese artist behind the drawing has been made aware of this.


Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 23:34:07 [Preview] No.20468 del
>>20447
I read the previous explanations about this guy so I was wary of opening the spoilered image. Now I see that the you probably did that on purpose, precisely to cause that feeling.

About the picture itself: it's a critique of the ABCDEFG...Z-sexualists in the left of some countries. It's propagandistic but not too far from truth (see USA).


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 01:33:14 [Preview] No.20469 del
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Is this picture of Joe Biden real?


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 02:10:39 [Preview] No.20470 del
>>20468
>About the picture itself
I mean the twatter post. The image is likely unrelated nipponese lewd cartoon.


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 06:10:05 [Preview] No.20471 del
>>20469
Absolutely.


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 13:45:44 [Preview] No.20472 del
>>20468
I gathered it was some bullshit about gender neutral toilets or something like that. Still pretty funny though.
>imb4 he gets huge support from Japanese in São Paulo


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 22:23:03 [Preview] No.20478 del
Bad day for Dolan, Democrats now have an advantage of over 20 seats over the GOP. How many of his key campaign promises still need Congressional approval to succeed? Any Democratic move will be blocked, but he'll have a hard time passing anything, too.

>>20472
It also probably implies his opponents have a pro-pedophile agenda.
>Japanese in São Paulo
They probably voted for their coethnic Kataguiry >>19989.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 16:26:24 [Preview] No.20486 del
>>20478
>key campaign promises
What were those?
I remember making America great again...
And the 10 feet higher wall what the Mexicans have to pay.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 16:26:49 [Preview] No.20487 del
>>20486
And maybe something about the steel industry?


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 16:30:26 [Preview] No.20488 del
>>20486
you forgot about "BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF ISIS", which he kinda did I guess.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 16:51:02 [Preview] No.20489 del
>>20488
Well, they allowed Russia to do that.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 18:06:00 [Preview] No.20490 del
>>20486
-Pulling out of Syria: needed no Congressional approval, but he did a full 180 on this.
-Mass deportations of illegals: nothing in the scale expected, and lower levels of government are actively defying him through sanctuary cities and the like.
-The wall: may still be possible without Congressional approval if he directs Presidential funds to it and cuts off aid to Mexico.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 19:00:35 [Preview] No.20491 del
Bolsonaro is trying to convince Congress to pass at least a partial pension reform already this year, as that would make his job easier and, according to economists, allow economic growth to reach pre-crisis levels already in 2019.
Dória is on his side and is negotiating gubernatorial support for this move. In turn, Temer wants Bolsonaro to openly tie himself to the unpopular measure, which would make it easier to pass but burn Bolsonaro's political capital in the process. However, congressmen and senators reject his advances and simply think it's not their problem. Right now they have more pressing concerns, such as raising Supreme Court wages -a measure passed today, which will, through a cascade effect of other wage increases, cost some $6 billion for the Treasury- and, anticipating Moro's activities next year, relaxing anticorruption legislation.
Another obstacle is that pension reform would require changing the Constitution, and constitutional ammendments cannot be passed as long as there's federal intervention anywhere -which is the case in Rio de Janeiro. Temer and Bolsonaro are already planning an alternative without any Constitutional changes.

Meanwhile, arrest warrants have been issued for 10 members of Rio de Janeiro's state legislature, which fields 70 MPs.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 19:57:30 [Preview] No.20492 del
>>20478
>Bad day for Dolan,

Actually, a pretty good results. Considering that all media hates him and everything that average American citizen hears is reduced to "Trump is Hitler", almost half of country continues to support his party (although Republican aren't Trump, but whatever). In normal conditions Republicans could win much more.

In Russia with same media situation (literally everything is pro-government) people much more rarely oppose mainstream opinion at all.

>key campaign promises

It is obvious now that he wouldn't and couldn't do anything promised even with Republican support. But he is politician after all, so this is normal.

His real politics are actually saner than many people may think, especially if you ignore irrelevant twitter shit.


Bernd 11/09/2018 (Fri) 21:06:19 [Preview] No.20510 del
>Russian officials admitted that they no longer can service Russia’s lone aircraft carrier following a recent sinking of a large floating dry dock.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/russia-admits-that-it-cant-retrofit-aircraft-carrier-after-accident/
https://archive.fo/QS3bX

superpower status: rejected


Bernd 11/10/2018 (Sat) 10:24:05 [Preview] No.20518 del
>>20510
>Admiral Kuznetsov was commissioned in 1990
>two-year refit between 1996 and 1998.
still
>poor reliability and questionable performance
then
>was being pulled out after the failure of a pump system
after that
>drydock reportedly sank
and
>a crane fell on the carrier’s deck leaving a hole above the waterline that measures 4 by 5 meters
>also injured four workers.
and don't forget
>Russian shipbuilding industry does not possess a large enough facility to accommodate the carrier
also
>it will take at least six to 12 months to recover the sunken floating dry dock.
>it does not possess the equipment to lift the massive drydock from the seabed
so
>Russia would require international support for any such complex recovery operation

What a prime clusterfuck.


Bernd 11/10/2018 (Sat) 10:47:28 [Preview] No.20521 del
>>20510
>>20518

Kuznetsov is just a bad ship, and it was bad from the start. There were multiple design failures and poor quality of service, so in 90s ship was literally half sunk in port for few years. Conscripts, who are all bydlo, also broke many tech components just for fun (there were story about some guy who pull some lever and then cruise missile section became inactive for months). Some people stole metal parts for scrap.

There were few situations when Kuznetsov could literally sink because he lost power and may wreck on some rocks.

But for political reasons fleet command continues to pour money into it. In late 2000s ship achieved relatively "ok" state after numerous repairs, but not so much.

Recent operation in Syria ended in complete disaster. Crew couldn't handle broken arresting gear cable for few hours (a thing that must be fixed in minutes), and new Mig-29K crashed because out of fuel - fleet command forced it to stay in air because sending it to land (Hmeimim) would be a disgrace for fleet, so they were afraid to report it ("we're fixing it, just fly for 10 more minutes, you'll be allowed to land soon"). But they didn't expect that crew couldn't fix it in time. After that crash Kuznetsov was suddenly returned back. Officially it was just another success of Russian fleet, but everyone knew that in reality that was big fail. Who needs costly aircraft carrier that couldn't even fly planes properly?

Best that Kuznetsov can do - to sink at port and stop the suffering. But looks like they wouldn't give it a quick death and will continue to support poor ship. Now even dock is sunk.


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 01:02:31 [Preview] No.20532 del
>>20510
>>20518
>>20521
According to /k/ land-based aviation and anti-ship missiles would be enough to defend Russia's coastlines and Kuznetsov exists exclusively as a dick-measuring prestige item to prove that Russia stronk.

Now that I think of it, Victoria II simulates this quite well: one can keep a massive fleet of ironclads well into the 20th century, when they're completely useless for battle, simply to inflate military score and thus remain within Great Power ranking. For additional realism, one can keep the Navy's budget so low that ships begin to rot away and eventually disappear.


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 09:09:41 [Preview] No.20539 del
>>20532
>According to /k/ land-based aviation and anti-ship missiles would be enough to defend Russia's coastlines and Kuznetsov exists exclusively as a dick-measuring prestige item to prove that Russia stronk.

Yes, that's true. Land-based aviation is always better than carrier-based with comparable money spending. Carriers exist for expeditionary purposes mostly.

Although having some fleet of real carriers isn't so bad, USSR had some projects, but they all were problematic economically (so helicopter carriers of project 1143.1-4 were build). There were internal lobbyist wars in ministry of defense, and carrier faction won only in the end of USSR. Although even them decided to build carrier with cruise missiles and designate it as cruiser.


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 13:56:19 [Preview] No.20544 del
Liberals of the Eu Parliament made a billboard with the message about Orbán:
>First he took our money, now he wants to destroy Europe.
It does seem it's double sided on the other one there's the message in Hungarian:
>Kezdetben csak a pénzünkre utazott, most Európa egysége a tét.
This isn't the same text at all, in English this means: First he wanted our money, now Europe's Unity is at risk. This still isn't literal translation but just because the literal doesn't make sense in English, but this translation at least gives back the meaning. Why the big difference in the two original caption?
Interesting it's not for the Hungrians as this truck only cruises in Brussels, so they don't want to influence the Hungarian voter but destroy the image of Orbán in abroad. Probably the explanation is the same for the harsher English message can be found in this reason.
At 1:34 based Negers don't give a fuck about politics.


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 15:40:29 [Preview] No.20548 del
>>20544
>he wants to destroy Europe
So he's a crypto-German.


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 16:17:26 [Preview] No.20551 del
>>20521
>Kuznetsov is just a bad ship, and it was bad from the start.
I have no doubt.
How much irresponsible of a faggot that officer had to be who allowed that accident out of his Pride (with capital P for I'm talking about the cardinal sin). In my opinion gulag is exactly the invention these type of guys need.

>>20548
Or he's in bed with Merkel secretly.


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 21:29:32 [Preview] No.20552 del
>>20551
>officer had to be who allowed that accident out of his Pride

It isn't just pride, it is actually a system. That is how Soviet army worked and Russian works now - main goal of everyone is to cover his ass to prevent problems. And everything was so fucked so it is hard to imagine how everything worked at all.

For example, here is the story of K-429 submarine https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&hl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Fflot.com%2Fblog%2Fkatastrofa%2F7429.php

Depth meters were broken on last repair (someone forgot to remove some cover), many respirators were just broken, some emergency doors were welded to hull, crew was unskilled etc. Command forgot about sub for hours. Even rescue crew in the end couldn't provide working respirators from surface to people who stuck in half-flooded section.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 17:41:12 [Preview] No.20576 del
Just stories about Israel that are going on currently.
>Newspaper articles about the very good relations between Israel and some Arabic states appear. Qatar even gets to send $13 million in cash into Gaza strip every month, so they can pay for the wages
>King Bibi goes to France for armistice day celebrated in France, doesn't matter that Israel didn't exist back in 1918
>Meanwhile some IDF undercover units are sent into Gaza strip and kill 7 Hamas commanders, one IDF soldier dies. It is said that Israeli defense minister is behind this.
>Hamas fires 400 something rockets into Southern Israel with Israel doing retaliatory attacks.
>Hamas offering a ceasefire that King Bibi accepts
>Defense minister Liebermann (he's originally from Soviet Union) and his party steps back from government and wants new elections
no comment from me and I don't claim that these stories have anything to do with each other, which they probably do, but I never said this
sauces:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46174912
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46207094


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:00:57 [Preview] No.20577 del
>>20576
>Hamas fires 400 something rockets into Southern Israel with Israel doing retaliatory attacks.
>Hamas offering a ceasefire that King Bibi accepts
Aren't Hamas "rockets" just glorified firecrackers?


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:13:17 [Preview] No.20578 del
>>20576
Well, they are all about Israel and Gaza, so ofc they have to do something with each other.
I've two questions.
1. Aren't all these just the usual business?
2. Doesn't Israel has an Iron Umbrella Shield Anti-Rocket Protection Something? Or is that only good against ICBM-s and such?


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:17:17 [Preview] No.20579 del
>>20577
yeah, it's a who has the bigger benis competition. Hamas stands under pressure not to look weak, because the extremists might join some ISIS affiliated organization instead. The most effective attacks have been arson attacks carried out by simple kites, Iron umbrella can't do shit against wood, thin paper and a Molotov cocktail.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:20:33 [Preview] No.20580 del
>>20578
The situation was rather peaceful lately, but who had the biggest interest in sabotaging the pacifying process in the Gaza strip, Liebermann or Iran.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:24:40 [Preview] No.20581 del
>>20579
>Iron umbrella can't do shit against wood, thin paper and a Molotov cocktail.
Resourceful.

>>20580
I call bullshit on that Liebermann and his party leaving the coalition. Would they risk their position as governing party? Also who would they ally with if not Bibi's party and the other nationalists? The left? No way. They might looking for some angle they can blackmail Bibi into going through with some law or something.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:28:00 [Preview] No.20582 del
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>>20581
Wait. Wikipedia list the YB as the member of the opposition. Do they know something?


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:30:20 [Preview] No.20583 del
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>>20582
Proofs.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 18:42:32 [Preview] No.20584 del
>>20583
It was edited today, but knowing how lazy people in the parliament can be, a one person advantage isn't enough, but King Bibi finds a way to continue his cleptocratic rule.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 19:00:52 [Preview] No.20585 del
>>20584
>King Bibi
This makes me wonder: In say, I don't know, 1000 years, will jewish schools teach about Netanyahu, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.? I mean, hell, they teach about Hitler today just like how they teach the Egyptian Pharaohs, Nebuchadnezzar II, or Julius Caesar.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 19:11:01 [Preview] No.20588 del
>>20584
>It was edited today,
Ah.
>but King Bibi finds a way to continue his cleptocratic rule.
I would by a poison on it.

>>20585
Well, assuming there still will be Jews or even humanity 1000 years later, I suppose so. They are still living through great struggle, especially in their minds, and their politicians could seem like notable leaders.
Sometimes I wonder the same about our politicians. To me they seem so petty and shameful to remember. Depending how things will turn out in Europe, there's a chance that Orbán will be remembered as a leading figure in the EU-s internal struggle over national identity and European United States and such. I found the idea him being remembered horrifying.


Bernd 11/14/2018 (Wed) 19:11:48 [Preview] No.20589 del
>>20585
they will be puzzled by the appearance of the swastika symbol in Germany and India and deduct that there was some empire under emperor Adolf


Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 00:32:05 [Preview] No.20592 del
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two and a half years worth of insight


Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 06:11:08 [Preview] No.20593 del
>>20592
What's a PMS cabinet?


Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 13:59:43 [Preview] No.20596 del
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>>20592
>Brexit means Brexit! t. Sharia May in 2017 election
>lol jk enjoy still being basically in the EU but with only the disadvantages and none of the advantages
Democracy was a mistake, this is why I stopped voting at all after Are Nige retired.


Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 17:04:20 [Preview] No.20600 del
>>20596
Shamefur dispray.
Remaining in the free trade are will hurt those who would profit (and supported Brexit) from the leaving. UK won't even be able to make deals on it's own. But still remaining to be the bitch of Brussels. Wtf? Way to go torpedoing UK economy.
I believe the status, the coming and going of EU citizens could be solved by simple laws enacted by the UK parliament, no bilateral agreements and such shit needed. For example say: those with EU citizenship can enter freely and get jobs n shit. I don't get it what's to negotiate on this point.
Data protection also such thing, can't they solve this on their own with their own legislation?


Bernd 11/15/2018 (Thu) 17:05:03 [Preview] No.20601 del
>>20600
*Remaining in the free trade zone


Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 01:30:12 [Preview] No.20609 del
>>20588
I'd say Macron and Salvini are the ones most likely to be remembered in future history books, as they are the purest examples of the new ideological poles (technocracy vs. populism) that have transcended and overriden the old left-right dichotomy.

>>20579
For Hamas and Palestinian nationalists as a whole, the point of fighting with Israel is losing and therefore gaining prestige among foreigners who value opressed brown people.


Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 06:26:22 [Preview] No.20614 del
>>20609
>Macron and Salvini
For political theorists/scientists sure. I'm not certain if that side of the things (the paradigm change you mentioned) goes through for the common people. Maybe they'll learn it, maybe not.
On the Hungary we're almost never hear about Salvini, I guess due to the Mediterranean connections in Brazil media Italy is more prominent, but here we're very German-centric when it comes to foreign politics. And ofc now Brussels, Brussels, Brussels. Especially now with this conflict over migration.


Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 07:01:06 [Preview] No.20616 del
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>>20609
Is Macron position really "new"? Salvini is good example of populism, although not too notable, but Macron is yet another traditional left-like European leader.

Of course Merkel will be remembered for long time.


Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 23:02:24 [Preview] No.20643 del
>>20616
Traditional West European leaders still clinged on to their old conservative or social democratic identities even though their ideological distinctiveness had been dilluted into nothing. Macron did away with links to past political traditions and openly embraced technocratic centrism, giving it new strength and allowing it to develop in new directions.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 19:26:27 [Preview] No.20685 del
>>17063
Trump issued a statement saying how he stands with Saudi Arabia, and spouts the typical Israeli war propaganda, like "terror group Hezbollah", or "Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad".


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 19:30:30 [Preview] No.20686 del
>>20685
"MILLIONS OF HIS OWN CITIZENS" God fucking damn. Millions? The highest estimate was 522,000 in September this year, for the ENTIRE CIVIL WAR (the conflict with the most casualties during Assad's entire 18 year rule, which wasn't even caused by Assad to begin with) including military personnel, and yet he, the President of the US says that he killed MILLIONS.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 20:16:21 [Preview] No.20688 del
>>20685
>After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States.
>Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors.
>America First!
Invasion against Iran when?


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>>20688
>>America First!
He's right though. "America" as a nation is a global empire trying to secure their allies in the Middle East, Israel and the Saudis.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 20:38:00 [Preview] No.20691 del
>>20689
Also, the Saudi intervention in Yemen is to secure their oil route, in-fact, they've been intervening with even the African countries in that region. Their oil route is from the Eastern Province through the strait of Hormuz and Arabian Sea into the Red Sea and Suez Canal through Yemen, not directly through the Red Sea. An anti-Saudi/Israeli/American government in that region fucks up that shipping route. So again, Trump's statement that "they would withdraw if the Iranians and their allies left the region (something that hasn't even been fully proven yet)" is false.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 21:13:27 [Preview] No.20692 del
>>20685
where are the proof tier


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 23:42:37 [Preview] No.20695 del
>>20685

Trump has no real choice actually, because military complex is the one of main his supporters. Going against industry guys when media and other elites already want to eat you is a suicide.

Although Trump was pro-military from the start, so maybe it is also his own choice.


Bernd 11/22/2018 (Thu) 22:47:32 [Preview] No.20703 del
>>20698
I was accusing Trump of playing the there are no proofs card, while CIA is saying that the Kashoggi story turns out to be true and that the Saudi prince is behind it.


Bernd 11/22/2018 (Thu) 23:13:54 [Preview] No.20704 del
>>20695
>Although Trump was pro-military from the start, so maybe it is also his own choice.
But his early campaign discourse did criticize neocon hawks and feed hopes among antiwar Republicans that he could change the course of American foreign policy. Then immediately after his election he stacked his cabinet with neocons and changed nothing at all.

>>20686
Gassad is literally Hitler.


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Bernd 11/30/2018 (Fri) 18:16:40 [Preview] No.20919 del
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Yesterday Rio de Janeiro's governor, Luiz Fernando Pezão, was arrested over corruption. Three former governors are also in jail, so now every single governor elected in Rio from 1998 to 2014 sits behind bars. Likewise, 10 of Rio's 70 local deputies, all presidents of its Chamber of Deputies, 5 of 6 councillors in its Court of Accounts and its Public Prosecutor were also arrested since 2017. The state is still under federal military intervention and the next governor will assume office with a budget deficit in the billions.


Bernd 11/30/2018 (Fri) 20:40:40 [Preview] No.20923 del
he dindu nuffin


Bernd 12/01/2018 (Sat) 08:40:56 [Preview] No.20939 del
>>20919
>>20923
>now every single governor elected in Rio from 1998 to 2014 sits behind bars
Is there a Guinness record for that?
What can be done?
Back in the days of monarchs the reputation, the fame and power of the monarch and the reputation, fame and power of the country was the same, they couldn't embezzle something they owned. But in the bureaucracy there still were people who found a way because they weren't of the owners of it.
Today the people are the owners, the people are the monarchs but they just don't feel it. They think the state is a third party from where they can pump out the wealth for themselves. No sense of community or cohesion.
I think this rampant corruption we experience can only be changed if the mindset of the people is changed.


Bernd 12/01/2018 (Sat) 17:39:44 [Preview] No.20951 del
>>20939
It's the situation the Saudis are in which is why they rule with an iron fist. Most Saudi kings weren't really the greatest with their population outside of Najd, Faisal maybe an exclusion.
<"He who does not manage his business will soon lose what he has acquired"
is the main problem of the Saudi monarchy across the Arab peninsula. A large portion of the population doesn't like the Saudi Royal Family, and those are in the areas with the most resources, a huge problem. They don't want to sway away from the core of the Saudi state, that is, Najd, with a very large Wahhabi population. As such, they rule with an iron fist.


Bernd 12/01/2018 (Sat) 20:46:38 [Preview] No.20955 del
>>20951
So they try to keep in check those below?


Bernd 12/01/2018 (Sat) 21:21:11 [Preview] No.20956 del


Bernd 12/01/2018 (Sat) 21:51:59 [Preview] No.20958 del
>>20956
Seeing how people are untrustworthy in the near of wealth - and Saudi Arabia has it, for now - I'm not surprised and I would say well done. On the other hand by expropriating and centralizing the power the populace mentioned by you won't know rest and will oppose them.


Bernd 12/02/2018 (Sun) 00:03:29 [Preview] No.20961 del
>>20951
>is the main problem of the Saudi monarchy across the Arab peninsula. A large portion of the population doesn't like the Saudi Royal Family, and those are in the areas with the most resources, a huge problem.

It isn't only Saudi problem, but common Middle Eastern problem (and not only Middle Eastern to be honest). We easily can see what happens in these countries when government lessens oppression and becomes weak.

>>20939
>Today the people are the owners, the people are the monarchs but they just don't feel it. They think the state is a third party from where they can pump out the wealth for themselves.

Because they aren't monarchs even in theory. You can't really properly own or govern something when you have only small share of it, you may one be small part of mechanism. In this case state became separate self-operating entity, and, as common laws of life say, it wants to 1) preserve and sustain itself 2) exploit everything that is available. And the easiest thing for exploitation is the people who compose the state (and sometimes other states, but this at least requires war).

Classic monarchy was different in concept, monarch was not just the ruler of state, but he was the state itself. At least big and essential part of the state. Although monarchy is pretty wide concept. Early feudal monarchy was very different compared to late absolute monarchies, for example.


Bernd 12/02/2018 (Sun) 00:05:04 [Preview] No.20962 del
>>20961
>you may one

only*

I need to stop posting at 3:00.


Bernd 12/03/2018 (Mon) 20:39:02 [Preview] No.20998 del
>>20961
I disagree some of your point or rather has views that complementing them.
The ownership of the people isn't similar to owning a company through shares tho for example in ancient Athens the citizens, the members of the demos literally owned shares of their city state via private ownership, I think three parts, one in the city, one by the shore and inside the land but they own it through the community they form. It's abstract enough so knowing it intellectually won't help if the members can't/don't have the sense of belonging, and their feelings and motivations - their Pride, Greed etc. - will overrule the common interest and private interest will come first to them. This sense can be cultivated, chiefly by the common struggle that forms nations, but small gestures which involves the active participation of the individuals can help as well (these can be from neighbourhood/settlement level up to state level). And should use them because I see nowhere this, not Hungary for sure, slapping the national tricolor over everything won't help.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 10:00:04 [Preview] No.21004 del
>>17070
That's not a legit casus belli. Poland was an independent state, they were not obliged to listen germany. And germans got czechia without gunshots, they still did not satisfied.

The common argument for ww2 is peace treaties of ww1 was too harsh. Meanwhile that's true, that wasnt the case for germany.

Limitation of arms > widely ignored

Militarizing rhein > ignored

War reperation > mostly not paid

Regardless of these are deserved or undeserved, invading poland was not going to solve any problem as they were not the enforcer of peace treaty, neither wanted to declare war germany.

It's an old post, still writing for just in case anyone wants to read that.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 13:18:54 [Preview] No.21005 del
>>21004
Hitler intentionally violated the treaty though, he didn't "ignore" it.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 13:22:18 [Preview] No.21006 del
>>21005
allies ignored the violaions.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 14:31:18 [Preview] No.21008 del
>>21006
That was during the "appeasement", when the Allies tried to keep Hitler in check without actually going to war.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 15:05:57 [Preview] No.21009 del
>>21008
What I was trying to tell, despite the hard peace treaty, it wasnt THAT terrible for germany mainly because of chamberlain.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 16:58:41 [Preview] No.21011 del
>>21004
I think the point that is usually raised that unlike previous peace treaties - especially those after the last "world war", the ones of Paris in 1814, 1815 and the Congress of Vienna - didn't seek revenge over the defeated - they typically searched for a new order which was acceptable for every parties, ofc in the context of their own zeitgeist - unlike the "peace" conferences of Paris in 1919 and about. They imposed guilt on Germany and they made it more accentuated by the demands unprecedented before.
Ofc the situation was different in the reality and on paper and it allowed much evasion and rule bending.

Frankly all the other countries fared worse than Germany. Especially one but can't remember which... it's on the tip of my tongue... but...


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 16:59:56 [Preview] No.21012 del
>>21011
Hey, I clicked on spoilering the image but did not work. Fucking Ghork I'm sure he did it again.


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 18:51:12 [Preview] No.21014 del
>>21011
What is picrel even supposed to say?


Bernd 12/04/2018 (Tue) 19:11:37 [Preview] No.21016 del
>>21014
Oh yeah, it's in Hungarian. I always forget you guys don't speak it still. I'm disappoint, Bernd.
It's from an old(?) revisionist book, basically just shows how would it look like if other countries would be trianoned. Yellow is the reduced part, the red would go to the neighbouring countries.
One can really see they were very soft on Germany when we talk about lost lands.
Some minor curiosities can be seen, like Hungary is called Magyarbirodalom which literally mean Hungarian Empire. It never was and the two word should be written separated (Magyar Birodalom, just like in English).


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>>21017
Finally! Now maybe we'll get an answer to the question: who killed Captain Alex?


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>>21017
>1:01 they call it the "stormsdonya" excercise

I've tried to understand this for half of minute until realized that it is "штурм здания" (shturm zdaniya, literally storming the building). That accent.


Bernd 12/08/2018 (Sat) 16:42:48 [Preview] No.21104 del
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Merkel was updated to Merkel 2.0 and looks like this now. Original Merkel is still kanzler, but not head of her party anymore.


Bernd 12/08/2018 (Sat) 17:00:39 [Preview] No.21106 del
>>21104
Appears to be in worse shape than Merkel as if she could die in any minute. Judging by that picture.


Bernd 12/08/2018 (Sat) 19:12:30 [Preview] No.21109 del
>>21106
Maybe she is larping as auschwitz survivor.


Bernd 12/10/2018 (Mon) 13:18:25 [Preview] No.21147 del
>>21106
It was Hillary Clinton tier and it was in Germany.


Bernd 12/12/2018 (Wed) 21:47:34 [Preview] No.21229 del
So to reply this: >>21226
>I can't imagine rule under austria-macaristan wouldnt be so bad considering they gave lots of freedoms to minorities.
First, suffering is relative. One can suffer on the Ukraine but on the Scandinavia too.
But in it's core this is about power.
Power = the ability of making decisions.
If I can decide what I do I've power over myself. If someone else can decide what I do then that person has power over me. If I can decide what someone else does I've power over that person.
And it's an inherent nature of people to strive for power. Those who can't decide what they do first they want to power to do that. Then when they have it they'll turn it over and want to decide what others do. This law can be used to many situations. Someone said liberals are those who don't have power, the minute they gain it, suddenly they want to take away others'.
The situation is the same with all the minorities. If a minority has no right, first they want to practice their language freely (same goes to culture). Then they want to teach it in schools in their region. Then they want to use it in governmental offices. Then they want autonomy and making their language another state language. After they gained autonomy they want their separate own state and country. When they have it they want to take over the other they just left and take away the cultural freedom of those who live there.
For example, Hungarians/Székelys in Transylvania want autonomy, but Catalonia, who has it, wants to secede.
And this was the case with the minorities of the Hungarian Kingdom, for example with Northern Hungarians. They could practice their language, could learn in school and even use it in offices in their regions. However they wanted more. Now they have their own country and there are voices who says Hungary shouldn't even exist something something Great Moravia something something and frankly all our neighbours treated their Hungarian minority like shits, committed atrocities against them, denied their right for their language and culture and tried to assimilate them. Only in the past few decades started things normalizing. But now we have EU and with Schengen borders are just red lines on maps.
Those who don't have full rights on their own don't appreciate what they have. Compared to contemporary powers of Europe, in Austria-Hungary (and even in the Austrian Empire) minorities enjoyed exceptional freedom. As I wrote on this board elsewhere this allowed them not just the preservation but the fulfillment of their culture. People like Ján Kollár could do their work undisturbed in the heart of Hungary, in friggin Budapest. While for example others closer to Prague had to suffer from Czech influence and had to propagate that language in their homeland instead of their own..., or Serbs in Austria-Hungary could practice Serbian language in peace while outside of it their clerics pushed Russian...


Bernd 12/13/2018 (Thu) 16:47:56 [Preview] No.21239 del
>>21229
>>21229
I already know how minority rights work, I'm just looking at to moral side of it not pragmatic side of it.

Thanks for wall of text though, by the way are szekels magyar? Where do they come from?


Bernd 12/13/2018 (Thu) 17:39:32 [Preview] No.21241 del
>>21239
Well, they didn't care that they fared "relatively" fine compared to others in Europe or elsewhere in the world, their prominent characters and opinion leaders thought own country would be better than none so they planted the seeds of discontent and nurtured it creating the myth of oppression and victimhood to mobilize the members of their folks. Up to this day they think how their life was unbearable and sour.
>are szekels magyar?
Yes.
Sometimes current Székelys themselves say they are not, sometimes they say they are. Depending on their mood and their satisfaction with the Hungarians in our little home. If we (or our politicians) do something they don't like, they aren't Hungarians, but if we do something that pleases them then they are.
Transylvania was the land of the three nation: Hungarian, Székely and Saxon. The Saxon is obviously a foreign element but the three components' "nation" status didn't based on ethnic differences, but on legal situation. Tho the székelys's legal position might have been based on separate ethnicity in the beginning.
I believe they are Hungarians and I treat them as such. I don't meet many but those whom I do are seem to respect that. I know they hate it when Hungarians here call them Romanian, which happens sometimes either by ignorance (some of my compatriots are just as ignorant about the world as an American) or malice (e.g. during an argument).
>Where do they come from?
We don't know.
For a while it was a popular thought among historians that they were Turkic and made up several explanations to support this theory (they were Khazars, Kabars, Bolgars, Onogurs, Huns etc.) but frankly we don't have any evidence if they spoke any other language in any previous dates than Hungarian, so every evidence is indirect. I remember a leading Turkologist who supported their Turkic origin during his whole carrier said at one point on national television that they are the most Hungarian part of Hungarians. Was very surprising to hear that.
This is very complex question, much ink were spilled on many pages of many books. I don't think we are closer to the solution.


Bernd 12/13/2018 (Thu) 17:41:23 [Preview] No.21242 del
>>21241
>carrier
I mean career.


Bernd 12/13/2018 (Thu) 18:18:12 [Preview] No.21243 del
>>21241
>>21241
well they have moon and star on their flag that's good enough for me egs de. I assumed they were less uralic type of hungarians and regardless of their roots they had good amount of intermingling with bolghars and shiet.
Maybe avars that migrated east? The truth is it's very hard to track nomad when they roam in 'settler area's

> (some of my compatriots are just as ignorant about the world as an American
Eh, I remember some kanker grey wolves called an Uyghur Türk a chinese and attacked him, even though he didn't look like straight rice eater. That's why I dont like populist bydlo version of nationalism, it's more subculture(bydlo one) than ideologic supporter.

>>21241
>Well, they didn't care that they fared "relatively" fine compared to others in Europe or elsewhere in the world, their prominent characters and opinion leaders thought own country would be better than none so they planted the seeds of discontent and nurtured it creating the myth of oppression and victimhood to mobilize the members of their folks. Up to this day they think how their life was unbearable and sour.
main thing bug me about that, when you win a war the minorities which couldnt didn't split they claim they are brother nation with you while obviously plotting behind your back and you couldnt do it without them. It bugs me even worse when my state supports this. I would assume if central powers there would be same porpoganda at some point.

Good infas by the way I appreciate it, you dont put everything one sided.


Bernd 12/13/2018 (Thu) 19:26:20 [Preview] No.21244 del
>>21243
>you dont put everything one sided.
Generally I'm a supporter of national sovereignty, I do believe every folk has the right to practice it's own culture and language and I do believe we Hungarians have the same right. I see that a person belonging to another ethnicity can feel the same toward it's own. I find this reasonable.

>Maybe avars that migrated east?
It's generally accepted that Avars who arrived here came in two waves, this idea is based on two different metalwork ornamenting technique, and they say one is older than the other. Then an archaeologist suggested that with the second wave Hungarians arrived here or a population that partly consisted of them. Supposedly the Székelys were already here when the Conquest went down and they could have been those in the second wave. This is one solution.
However some evidence suggest that those ornamenting techniques coexisted so no two wave could be possible.
For a while it was also a popular idea that Hungarians of the Conquest were bilingual, Hungarian and some type of Turkic. Then they thought the military elite was Turkic. Sources say that from the Khazars three Kabar tribes joined to the Hungarians, they were Turkic, they might been even the Székelys. Traditionally there were seven Hungarian tribe and with the three Kabars that would be ten, supposedly Onogur means "Ten Arrow" in some Turkic dialect (I dunno about that), each tribe is one arrow and from the Onogur name came the Hungarian (see French hongrois). But then they thought that the Kabars became one particular tribe which has a dual name and there weren't even three tribe of them but two. Then others said that the Kabars complemented four Hungarian ones to seven. Etc etc. It's a chaos. All put forward some supporting evidence but they all just theories all in all. There's more ofc.


Bernd 12/13/2018 (Thu) 19:47:37 [Preview] No.21246 del
>>21244
>>21244
>onogur
on means 10. ogur can be mean arrows(göktürks had tribal system they quite often named people with arrows, üçok for example is one of them) it can also mean oghuz which means mainly western Turkish tribes, gagauzs for example an oghuz splitoff just like we generally.

Also the name szekelys reminds me schytians and byzantines almost always used the name scytian as synonym for Turks. They dont have to be neccesarily ancient scytian but they can be Türks called scytian by byzantines and eventually the name adapt itself to more native pronounciation.

schytii(?)>szkitii>>szkelti>szekely (well hungarians and their "sz" it'd be natural to evolve into that)

This is just a thought though, I wouldnt overrely on it.


Bernd 12/19/2018 (Wed) 17:25:40 [Preview] No.21397 del
A single Supreme Court judge just ruled that convicts who've had their sentence proclaimed once and then repeated after only a single appeal cannot be arrested until all requests from the convict's side have been exhausted. This allows as many as 300 thousand people -and most importantly, Lula- to break free from arrest. It also heightens a major issue with our legal system: anyone with a lot of money and connections at hand can hire good lawyers and repeatedly make appeals and requests and delay their arrest for many years after getting convicted, as there are a million safeguards against arrest.
The decision was taken only a single day before the Supreme Court enters its summer vacations, so the rest of the Court can do nothing against it for several months.


Bernd 12/20/2018 (Thu) 16:20:05 [Preview] No.21400 del
...and another judge overruled his colleague's decision later that day.
Meanwhile, yet another Supreme Court judge authorized a wage raise for state workers and Congress relaxed a law restricting how much of their budget counties can spend on paying their employees. The latter was done in a particularly shrewd manner: Congress had previously voted for it, but specialists within several Ministries opposed the measure, and Temer was set to veto it. However, yesterday Temer was in Uruguay. Usually the VP temporarily assumes Presidential powers in such a situation, but as Temer has no VP, the Speaker of the House assumes as third in the line of succession. He proceeded to sign the bill, sidestepping Temer's opposition.

This follows the trend of spending hikes at the end of each mandate, particularly when a new party is set to take power in the following year.


Bernd 12/22/2018 (Sat) 09:30:35 [Preview] No.21402 del
>>21400
>another judge overruled his colleague's decision later that day.
At least someone pays attention what's going on.
>trend of spending hikes at the end of each mandate, particularly when a new party is set to take power in the following year.
Why do they do that?


Bernd 12/22/2018 (Sat) 23:50:01 [Preview] No.21463 del
>>21402
It's a two-pronged approach to improve one's chances at the next election cycle. Spending hikes build up political capital but create budget difficulties. When they're passed at the very end of a mandate, you keep all of the political capital for yourself while placing all of the financial burden on your opponent who's about to take over in the next year.
This year many well-established politicians have been unseated by newcomers, so this trend has been particularly strong.


Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 04:31:07 [Preview] No.21772 del
Temer's two-year interregnum has come to an end. His approval rating sits at 7%, higher than the 3% earlier this year but still lower than Dilma's 11% at the time of her impeachment. Nonetheless, his disapproval rating isn't as high as Dilma's, and he doesn't face the vitriolic anger his predecessor was a target of -his approval rating mostly just reflects a dissatisfaction with the current situation. Some woke centrists even half-ironically are Temer fanboys just to be edgy. But looking back, his image will improve.

Inflation and the budget deficit shrank and GDP growth is now positive. This happened with no stimuli and several austerity measures. But as unemployment remains high, most people have not felt the crisis fading out.
Two states -Rio de Janeiro and Roraima- are under federal intervention. The former has seen the military succesfully reduce crime rates, but it's still a mess.
Temer will be remembered for:

-The best First Lady ever. Seriously, look at that. She's also decades younger than him and a housewife.
-A scandal over a major meat company mixing cardboard and other nasty stuff into its products
-The 2018 truckers' strike
-Corruption scandal after corruption scandal, some directly affecting himself
-Jokes about him being a Satanist or a vampire
-Labor legislation reform
-A small educational reform
-A catastrophic failure to reform pensions, leaving this touchy issue for Bolsonaro to solve
-Mexican cartel-tier violence in a series of prison riots in 2017

Bolsonaro takes power with a fading but still present crisis and a lot of popular goodwill, with a poll earlier this month showing 75% of people are optimistic about his government. This gives him a lot of political capital to spend on early-mandate reforms.

Changes to political legislation withdrawing funding to tiny parties enter into effect next year, prompting several minor parties to already discuss mergers, which will shrink the massive list of parties. On the other hand, a split within the PSDB is likely due to the ongoing conflict between its social democrat and liberal-conservative wings.


Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 09:29:32 [Preview] No.21783 del
>>21772
>liberal-conservative
Ha. Is that what they call they call themselves or you be making fun like "moderate extremists"


Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 12:26:03 [Preview] No.21787 del
>>21783
Most of the time they'd just call themselves center-right. They're vaguely classical liberal with some vague bourgeois morality.


Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 12:31:43 [Preview] No.21789 del
>>21783
What do you say conservative means?


Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 13:03:28 [Preview] No.21791 del
>>21783
Actually I also have to ask the same about liberalism.

>>21772
>The best First Lady ever
No question about it.


Bernd 01/01/2019 (Tue) 22:46:51 [Preview] No.21929 del
Literally Ritler has been sworn in as President.

As Temer no longer has presidential immunity from prosecution, he will soon find the Federal Police breathing down his neck over several corruption accusations he faces.


Bernd 01/02/2019 (Wed) 07:45:26 [Preview] No.21940 del
>>21929
>2nd
Looks dreadful.


Bernd 01/03/2019 (Thu) 23:45:17 [Preview] No.22006 del
The minimum wage was expected to be set at R$ 1006 at the beginning of this year, but Bolsonaro fixed it at R$ 998 instead. People are really upset at this.


Bernd 01/07/2019 (Mon) 21:31:00 [Preview] No.22152 del
Congress will elect its President soon. Incumbent Rodrigo Maia (DEM) leads the old right and the center and is now backed by Bolsonaro's party, bringing it a step closer to rebuilding the classic coalition model that has endured since the mid-90s. He is already backed by six parties: PSL, DEM, PSD, PRB, PROS and PPS, who together have 161 Congressmen. Note that PROS backed Haddad's presidential bid last year. This list is noticeably missing several large parties of the Center, particularly MDB and PP, who have expressed discontent with Maia. The reason for this is not ideological, but because Maia handed two important Congressional comissions -Constitution&Justice and Finances&Taxation- to the PSL, and they wanted those juicy appointments for themselves. In turn, the Left is divided over wheter to launch a more radical and ideological candidate or ally with the Center.

Meanwhile, controversy erupted between the Ministry of the Environment and Ibama, its policy enforcement agency. Environmental minister Ricardo Salles called attention to a R$ 30 million contract for 393 pickups signed last month by Ibama's head, Suely Araújo, who replied that there's nothing wrong with it. Bolsonaro sided with Salles. Araújo then resigned. A leftover from Temer's time, she was already set to be replaced and her successor is already known.


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Bolsonaro's first trip overseas will lead him to the world economic forum in Switzerland at the end of this month. Trump already invited himself again and will fly with helicopters over Switzerland again.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:02:35 [Preview] No.22400 del
Brexit wankery is going on:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lrX6ktLg8WQ [Embed]


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:14:04 [Preview] No.22401 del
British politics is weird. BBC commentator just explained for 2 minutes how Comrade Corbyn rused everyone with his redrawn amendment.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:16:54 [Preview] No.22402 del
>>22401
You watchin BBC broadcast?
On Sky News there's a cute blonde anchor. Well, cute considered she's Bri'ish.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:18:24 [Preview] No.22403 del
Frankly it's all bullshit. Even after Brexit the UK and EU can make all kinds of deals. UK can say they let in everyone with EU ID or whatever. This whole thing is a circus.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:23:25 [Preview] No.22404 del
Farange is on BBC right now. 24 to 600 in amendment vote. Lol.
>>22402
I had it on in the background because my beloved autistic show about trains was on. I was surprised that the voting is already on.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:25:06 [Preview] No.22405 del
>>22404
This theatrics... like watching Monty Python.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:28:28 [Preview] No.22406 del
Serious discussions about German car industry. Why are English so obsessed with Germany? They know more about Rommel, Dirlewanger and Mengele than Germans themselves.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:34:33 [Preview] No.22408 del
>>22406
They're obsessed with Fronce too.
Germany... maybe Germ car industry chokes British? I dunno, never seen numbers, I only know Germany is one of the lead exporter and Britain is the largest importer in general on the inner market of EU.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:36:29 [Preview] No.22409 del
Here we go


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:39:06 [Preview] No.22410 del
Yes 202
No 432
May is kill


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:39:44 [Preview] No.22411 del
202 vs 432
Tuff.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:44:09 [Preview] No.22412 del
JFC the Brexit vote was 2,5 years ago.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:45:56 [Preview] No.22413 del
Oh fug, it's happening, motion of no confidence.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:48:43 [Preview] No.22414 del
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Press F to pay respects


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:49:17 [Preview] No.22415 del
May fucked up big time. I kinda feel sorry for her.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 19:51:22 [Preview] No.22416 del
>>22414
She secured another night in Downing Street 10


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 21:15:51 [Preview] No.22422 del


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 23:40:44 [Preview] No.22429 del
Bolsonaro made a decree to slightly relax gun control legislation. It only covers ownership, not carry, increases a few restrictions and is overall modest in scope. Biggest change is in a key step in the purchase process - the buyer must declare his motives for the Federal Police, which reviews the buyer's explanation and is free to forbid him from proceeding. This decree establishes that police reviewers must assume by default that prospective buyers have a valid reason, streamlining the process.
More actions on this topic are planned, some of which will require Congressional approval. Next is a measure to register irregular weapons.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 14:07:33 [Preview] No.22441 del
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46887852
>Opening a debate on his no-confidence motion, Mr Corbyn said the government "should do the right thing and resign" after Tuesday night's huge defeat.
>Mr Corbyn is hoping to force an election, but senior party figures accept they are unlikely to succeed.
>The no-confidence vote is expected to be held at about 19:00 GMT.
Based Corbychev does it again. How can Blairites even compete?


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 16:37:20 [Preview] No.22442 del
>>22441
Did really Corbyn not expressed any opinion how he imagine this thing should go down or even not at all? Yesterday May said the Labour gave only contradictory statements all along.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 16:43:52 [Preview] No.22445 del
>>22441
Btw. Thanks for the exact date, at least I won't check continuously the media what's going on.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 19:01:25 [Preview] No.22449 del
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Here we go.
Jesus, this Commons is such a bydlo.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 19:16:45 [Preview] No.22450 del
May prevails


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 19:17:10 [Preview] No.22451 del
306 Yes vs 325 No
May remains.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 19:23:24 [Preview] No.22452 del
>>22450
Now she just has to cram a deal down both the throat of the Commons and EU.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 19:36:34 [Preview] No.22453 del
Now I'm hearing they still can do a general election, or a second referendum if they want.
So the whole thing is just time wasting. Maybe they bluffing and betting on they can corner the other sides with the deadline. They hoping for the other sides will bow and accept their type of deal.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 20:26:16 [Preview] No.22454 del
>>22453
Like nuclear brinkmanship.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 20:34:34 [Preview] No.22455 del
>>22454
And let's not forget they are also calculating for the next election whenever may it will be. Agreeing something that their own voters reject will result in losing popularity. No side can allow that.
Frankly the whole thing is only good for EU and pro-EU media scaring EU citizens into submission and making them doubt if there's a life outside EU.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 02:37:17 [Preview] No.22456 del
>>22406
They're still butthurt over the Hundred Years' War, from what I can tell.

>>22455
I regularly browse The Register (British computer news, regularly crosses over with politics since the UK is notorious for failing at large IT projects) and a point brought up regularly when Brexit comes up is that many of the "onerous" EU regs that were brought up in the run-up to the referendum were spearheaded by British MEPs "gold plated" by Parliament during implementation such that many of the provisions pundits were whining about weren't even required by the original regulation. After you consider that, all the other Brexit news falls into place. It sucks that this is going to discourage the more ornery EU countries from invoking A50 but frankly they deserve everything they've brought down upon themselves.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 06:42:52 [Preview] No.22457 del
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>>22456
This whole shit stinks.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 14:04:45 [Preview] No.22460 del
Fug i was hoping for an election, political chaos is comfy.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 17:37:06 [Preview] No.22464 del
I wonder if Labour would play it's cards to influence Brexit passing with no deal. This has fine chance to remove Toris from govt. so they could take it over.

>>22429
>slightly relax
Yeah, that still sounds strict. As far as I know on the Hungary one need approval of the police to get a license to buy guns, but don't need to give any explanation, just register the freshly bought gun. I think the real strict stuff we have is the regulation of bullets, which I dunno nothing, just heard of it some time ago.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 23:14:30 [Preview] No.22723 del
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Major happenings in Venezuela. Since the opposition and other countries have deemed Maduro's new mandate illegitimate, Juan Guaidó, head of the National Assembly, has just declared himself President. America, the Organization of American States and the Lima Group (Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia and several other New World states) have formally recognized him. Mexico, Bolivia, Cuba, Russia and Turkey have maintained their recognition of the Bolivarian government. Massive street demonstrations are demanding Maduro to step down. In turn, Maduro called the maneuver a coup, broke diplomatic relations with America and sent the National Guard to crack down on protesters.
This may develop into an Arab Spring situation, but my intuition tells me there's an equal or greater chance of the protests just getting supressed and this new government getting exiled/arrested. A new crisis of this kind would then inevitably happen again down the line.
Maduro's survival strategy seems to be repressing the opposition with brute force (hence why he created paramilitaries and bribed the army by letting it control the food supply) until enough time passes for oil prices to rise. His model of rulership consists of little more than using profits from commodity exports to enrich himself and buy the loyalty of the masses through self-destructive populism, and he has shown no signs of wanting to change this approach. This leaves the strategy I've outlined as the only one he can follow.
But his enemies are also counting on time, and bet on the system's decay reaching a point where Maduro is incapable of keeping power by force. And they have extensive foreign support -America has always been hostile and the "reverse Pink Tide" of the 2010s has unseated most of Venezuela's Latin American allies, leaving it an international pariah. If Maduro survives the following days, he is likely to face a new round of sanctions.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 23:20:56 [Preview] No.22724 del
>>22723
>exico, Bolivia, Cuba, Russia and Turkey have maintained their recognition of the Bolivarian government.
fug, we are the new axis.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 15:54:47 [Preview] No.22732 del
At least 17 dead yesterday, and more are dying today.

>>22724
That's one piss-poor coalition.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 17:07:56 [Preview] No.22734 del
>>22723
>the opposition and other countries have deemed Maduro's new mandate illegitimate
What happened? Fraudulent election? They have other parties there?
It's interesting how Turkey constantly finds herself on the other side of the fence than the US. They had some (minor?) opposing interests in the question of Syria, or at least the Kurdish parts.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 17:41:56 [Preview] No.22739 del
>>22734
>Fraudulent election?
Pretty much.
>They have other parties there?
A lot of them, but Maduro's coalition holds all real power.

The funniest thing about this has been large portions of the online far right enthusiastically defending Maduro.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 17:51:06 [Preview] No.22740 del
>>22739
>The funniest thing about this has been large portions of the online far right enthusiastically defending Maduro.
They might be aligned against the supporters of the opposition than actually for Maduro. Maybe -very likely - they have no idea about Venezuela, and the situation.


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 00:24:04 [Preview] No.22759 del
>>22740
The "online far right" has no idea about anything. Just look at /news/.

I actually know a couple Venezuelans online who are absolutely rabid over how Western gommunists are trying to defend Maduro because muh socialism. All he's done is use gibsmedats to forestall a peasant revolt while incompetently trying to loot the country's natural resources for his personal gain. The infrastructure is fucked, government vehicles are being used to transport drugs for Maduro's buddies, inflation is of course absurd and they can't even fucking get the oil out of the ground.


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 17:56:05 [Preview] No.22773 del
>>22759
>The "online far right" has no idea about anything.
Most people don't, or only have limited knowledge.
For one I've very limited. But I know if people have no idea they tend to look first whomst the hated "other side" supports so they can throw their support for what's opposing that. Way to build a binary world view.


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 21:28:29 [Preview] No.22782 del
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>>22740
>>22773
It's because of a massive hateboner against Burgeria. Maduro is anti-American, his collapse is backed by and would strengthen Washington and thus it cannot be allowed to happen. If that means Venezuelans will suffer, then so be it, geopolitical concerns override everything else. Pic related. Those people often sympathize with North Korea for the same reason.
This line of thought is followed only be the most pragmatic and the most unpragmatic of people. On one hand, a small number of statesmen, diplomats, intelligence workers and lobbyists, who have real stakes in the international power game and wield their influence to bolster friendly governments and factions abroad, no matter how bad they are, simply out of Machiavellianism. This is amoral but understandable. On the other hand, zealous ideologues who are very butthurt against one or another world power, and rhetorically defend all of its enemies. This is just autism.
One example of the second kind is Julian Röpcke. He hates "AssadPutin" down to the very depths of his soul and frames his entire worldview within this wrath, talking about it nonstop (it's pretty much the only thing he writes about) and supporting any and all of its opponents, even if they're jihadists who behead people.

But Bolivarianism does have many elements that could appeal to this kind of people. I've shitposted on 8/pol/ about it but got banned for it.


Bernd 01/26/2019 (Sat) 19:21:57 [Preview] No.22804 del
>>22759
>how Western gommunists are trying to defend Maduro because muh socialism
>All he's done is use gibsmedats to forestall a peasant revolt while incompetently trying to loot the country's natural resources for his personal gain.

Pretty normal socialism, westerners are right here.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 11:42:08 [Preview] No.22828 del
>>22782
>It's because of a massive hateboner against Burgeria.
Yeah, that's what I think. US isn't really popular outside US and those who like her aren't that vocal about it, probably has better things to do than polishing her shiny. Maybe a good portion of Ukrainians do that motivated by their hateboner against Russia.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 12:48:16 [Preview] No.22830 del
>>22782
Chavez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maduro.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 12:59:11 [Preview] No.22832 del
>>22759
>The "online far right" has no idea about anything
Exactly.
>Trump bowing down to Israel and funding the Saudis? bad
>Nationalist European leaders bowing down to Israel? bad
>Bolsonaro bowing down to Israel? bad
>Assad strengthening ties with the Saudis? good!
>Putin in Israel talking about how bad anti-semitism is and even using anti-semitism as a common negative talking point? fake news!
>Maduro being a literal Sephardic jew who reunited with Israeli religious leaders? fake news!


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 15:46:07 [Preview] No.22835 del
>>22832
Maduro merely continued his predecessor's policies. What's happening right now is the direct result of what Chavez started in 1999. Only difference is that Chavez was charismatic (in his own peculiar way) and slightly more competent.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 17:15:58 [Preview] No.22841 del
I'm reading an article on Index bout this Venezuela thing and it says that during the UN talks Pompeo said that each country has to decide on whomst side they are on, either they are on the side of the Forces of Freedom, or on Maduro's Hell. With this kind of rhetoric how can we expect from the wider audience to create their own opinion? Fuck Pompeo.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 17:20:21 [Preview] No.22842 del
>>22828
>>22828
there are significant pro russian, ukranians in ukraine. meanwhile USA left ukraine to its own destiny and they keep enforce the negative IQ tier american culture in there as much as possible. it's safe to say ukraine still has serious hateboner against USA. imagine you control significant portion of world media, easily demonize other countries and create casus belli, yet significant portion of countries hate you, if that doesnt show there is something wrong with them I dont know what could show it.

t.beener of there


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 18:38:21 [Preview] No.22844 del
Maduro backed down from expelling US diplomats.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:13:30 [Preview] No.22853 del
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>>22842
>there are significant pro russian, ukranians
>USA left ukraine to its own destiny and they keep enforce the negative IQ tier american culture

Hmm, modern Russia has very much americanized culture (from music scene and tv concepts to usage of English in brand names), and Ukraine isn't better, so I don't think there is something USA can enforce anyway. Just watch some popular non-news Russian TV channel few days and you'll see.

>>22828
>Maybe a good portion of Ukrainians do that motivated by their hateboner against Russia.

Yes, for many countries who have good relations with USA (Ukraine, Poland, Georgia, some others), USA is the big brother who can do some help and couldn't really do much harm, especially because they are far away. What USA can do to Ukraine, push own controlled corrupted actors into government that will replace other corrupted people who already can be easily bribed and sold? So horrible. Force then to do some bad economic deals that will ruin very powerful Ukrainian economy?

These countries also see how Russia look in reality, especially Ukraine and Georgia, who share same cultural space (internet, TV etc) and have no illusions about it. On the contrary, USA is far away place where people live relatively well when you look at it from outside.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:27:05 [Preview] No.22856 del
>>22853
epic pic.

>Hmm, modern Russia has very much americanized culture (from music scene and tv concepts to usage of English in brand names), and Ukraine isn't better,
atleast the current spectrum demands more "liberal" russia and ukraine, seeing wectern news about analny, they're saying "uuh he isnt any better since he is not pro queer shit" both ukraine and russia is not that bad when it comes to that, though I'm not deluded and thinking you guys are paragon of virtue.

>I don't think there is something USA can enforce anyway.
media power=soft power and USA has lots of that.

>Just watch some popular non-news Russian TV channel few days and you'll see.
I should get some free rubles while on it.


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 01:54:13 [Preview] No.22874 del
>>22832
It's more like
>Trump betraying literally everything he stood for? 6 million dimensional chess, everything is fine, we'll eat your babies if you contradict us
>Nationalist European leaders bowing to Israel? USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST
>Bolsonaro bowing to Israel? Niggers, don't matter
>Assad allying with Saudis? Funny about that, look, a liberal said a thing!


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 16:23:07 [Preview] No.22895 del
>>22832
>>22874
I really don't get it what's their problem with Israel. Even for the Nazis it's a godsend, it keeps the majority of Jews out of Europe.
And "bowing down to Israel" is literally bilateral relation, the "bowing" side also gets stuff out of it, for example Brazil right now is getting help with that mining waste spill. How people cannot see that?
European "nationalists" have common interests with Jews since the problem both in Israel and Western Europe is the Muslims. Beside oranges Israel can provide with valuable intel on those groups who come to Europe and pose as danger and so on.


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 16:33:01 [Preview] No.22896 del
>>22895
> it keeps the majority of Jews out of Europe.
lol no. I wish that was true though.


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 16:42:06 [Preview] No.22897 del
>>22896
Israel has bout 6 mil Jews, I don't think Europe has 1,5.


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 16:55:16 [Preview] No.22898 del
>>22897
>>22897
that's more to do with hitler than israel.

rip edgy painter


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 17:11:13 [Preview] No.22899 del
>>22898
Hitler keeps the Jews in Israel?


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 17:21:26 [Preview] No.22900 del
>>22899
hitler killed the jews in europe.


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 17:26:23 [Preview] No.22901 del
>>22900
What's that have to do with Israel keeping the majority of Jews there?


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 17:55:32 [Preview] No.22902 del
>>22901
when you kill the jews in europe their number naturally get lower compared to israel.


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 18:15:41 [Preview] No.22903 del
>>22902
But the ratio of Jews in Europe:Israel doesn't changed by the killing, but because the Jews started to move en masse from Urp to Isr after the war, or even three years after the war. On their own, because they wanted to be there.


Bernd 01/29/2019 (Tue) 23:09:12 [Preview] No.22908 del
>>22895
>"bowing down to Israel" is literally bilateral relation, the "bowing" side also gets stuff out of it
It does, but there are opportunity costs involved. Israel's side of the bargain may be worth the costs, but often not the lost diplomatic and commercial possibilities with a large number of Muslim countries. For instance, Bolsonaro's intent to transfer our embassy to Jerusalem would've resulted in a large hit to our Middle Eastern trade, which is why he backed down.
In America's case, a heavy price is paid in the form of foreign aid (though it's actually an indirect subsidy from the US gov. to its military-industrial complex, with Israel as a happy middleman), the loss of nearly all soft power with Arabs and a restricted array of paths its foreign policy can follow.
Reasons for this vary. Bolsonaro does it to please his Protestant base. America does it because control of its behavior in the world is fragmented between competing agencies (CIA, State Department, etc.), to the point they sometimes back different sides in the same Third World civil war, and easily influenced by lobbies such as Gulf Arabs, the military-industrial complex and, of course, Israel.
That Israel gets more than it gives is thus the result of wider vulnerabilities in Washington's power structure. But a POTUS who cornered Israel and demanded more benefits or less liabilities could very well revise the relationship for the better, as long as he could survive the internal political cost of doing so.


Bernd 01/30/2019 (Wed) 20:00:06 [Preview] No.22916 del
>>22908
Picking sides always comes with a cost. But in the questions of the Middle East there's not many powers that matter. Turkey and Saudi Arabia aren't really in the opposition of Israel the USA is a common partner between them. Only Iran is the really hardcore anti-Israel type.
That Middle Eastern trade drop sounds something easily avoidable, the move to Jerusalem basically is just symbolic, and if one doesn't do that it isn't matter much. We didn't (might be a EU policy tho) still the good relation between Bibi and Orbán remains.


Bernd 01/30/2019 (Wed) 21:21:16 [Preview] No.22918 del
>>22916
>>22916
I'd or should I say we'd be ok with israel if they wouldnt actively stuff their nose to everything. they actively support pkk and use their soft power against us, so there was always a rivalry between us, they cant dominate asia minor and mesopotamia with Turkey keeping its power, so in long term we're natural enemies.

Sad thing is, in 90's we were one of the few states that could sustain itself when it comes to farm, israel was far from it, now it's reversing due to they focusing genetical engineering, so even if we embargo&blockade them, they wont go so easily.


Bernd 01/30/2019 (Wed) 21:49:09 [Preview] No.22920 del
>>22918
Yes, the mentioned four countries are nowadays who struggle with each other over the influence in the region and they can only gain more by the loss of the others. The whole balance of who is on whomst side is about finding common interests and points of collisions I hope I write clear I'm dead tired again.
Israel is a bit special, because she needs to feel threatened to hold shit together, their whole culture is built on victimhood and feeling persecuted, they cultivate this since forever. So thinking they are surrounded by enemies is their natural state, and they always act accordingly, and are brash and pushy when it comes to their interests. This always will breed enmity in others. Such cases.


Bernd 01/30/2019 (Wed) 21:51:37 [Preview] No.22921 del
>>22920
>So thinking they are surrounded by enemies is their natural state
well they are, just like us, except we are deluded now and not realizing it. by enemy I mean potential enemy ofc.


Bernd 01/30/2019 (Wed) 22:11:01 [Preview] No.22923 del
>>22921
>well they are,
>just like us,
Aren't we all? It's about what we make out of the circumstances.
But as I mentioned Israel is special their whole identity is based on that they our outsiders and are threatened by those who surrounds them. This is how their diasporas survived for thousands of years, how they preserved their Jewishness in their ghettos all over Europe and the neighbourhood. Now Israel is their little ghetto in the middle of evil goyim.
Yeah there's much hate all around with the Palestine and Jerusalem question but in general Islam and Jews can coexist really well. They thrived in Muslim Spain, they fared well in the Ottoman Empire (you can correct me here, but for my understanding they did all right there), but they were there at the birth of Islam too.


Bernd 01/30/2019 (Wed) 22:31:17 [Preview] No.22924 del
>>22923
Well I dont think denmark is gonna wage war against norway in about 60 years.

>They thrived in Muslim Spain, they fared well in the Ottoman Empire (you can correct me here, but for my understanding they did all right there), but they were there at the birth of Islam too.
dynamics kinda changed, now there is an independent israel with full of very orthodox jews and they are not willing to show respect to foreigners. in ottoman empire there was unity within diversity (diversity within unity is more desierable, but the the thing is there was a more or less healthy diversity) israel doesnt really have that and they are not intented to, they are not hesitating to media crusade against their enemies, afaik even wide recognition of armenian genocide happened after when our relations get really sour with israel decades ago.

You are right in a way, we can coexist peacefully but I can assure you most people in this geography including israel have no such intention.


Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 12:31:11 [Preview] No.22932 del
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>>22895
Because they lobby heavily for Zionism in Europe, warmonger in Africa, the Middle East + Central Asia and force us NATO countries into these conflicts, send immigrants that come to Israel to Europe, etc. etc., and if one dares to attack or criticise their actions or even anything related to jewry in a massive scale, the Mossad's after you.
>>22923
>They thrived in Muslim Spain
That was only during the Cordoban rule. After the original Emirate of Cordoba collapsed, it was incredibly anti-jewish. Just look at the Granada massacre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
Also, what's fun to note about it is that Granada was basically a western Muslim country during its last years. Their armies used western knight systems, western battle tactics, and similar armour to the Castilians.
>they fared well in the Ottoman Empire
Mostly in the Balkan territories under Ottoman rule and Anatolia. The Arabs living there hated them.


Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 14:55:34 [Preview] No.22934 del
>>22932
>>22932
>it was incredibly anti-jewish
it's dont though, reactionary mob always existed across the globe. not being able to prevent such acts doesnt mean anti jewism is a state policy.


Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 17:36:25 [Preview] No.22941 del
>>22932
That's an individual event which seems to origin not from general enmity against Jews. It can be seen even from the "anti-semitic" poem that the default stance is peaceful coexistence. The social contract was violated by them first and because of this it cites for violence against them.
Clicked a few links there, the Almoravids and the Almohads were more hostile but the individual striking events aren't reflects the reality of day to day life.

>>22924
Great many things can change in 60 years.
Israel is a small country - Turkey is bigger like ten times more? - they need to look like tough so others won't fuck with them. For this they need to do tough shit and they also need to show they can cause all kinds of butthurt and get away with it.
>israel have no such intention.
As I said they need enemies to hold together.


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>>22923
>in general Islam and Jews can coexist really well. They thrived in Muslim Spain, they fared well in the Ottoman Empire

When people talk about modern Jewish-Muslim relations and appeal to past, they often tend to generalize Muslims as some big entity and put religion first, but forgot about cultural and ethnic groups. Modern Israel conflict is not purely Muslim vs Jews, but mostly Arabs vs Jews. Considering Arabs, history shows that they are prone to constant conflicts and mismanagement. It is complex question why this happens, but in reality all good things that happened in Muslim world were made by non-Arabs or by Arabs who were ruled by someone else, otherwise it always ends in some shit (like today).

Muslim Spain was culturally close to the Europe and built on remains of pretty civilized Roman province. So called Muslim golden age was also build on rich legacy of post-Roman states in west and Persian/Indian civilization in east (and ended when all that legacy died). Ottomans Empire were governed by, emm, Ottomans, not Arabs, and also had pretty serious Roman background. Considering Arab world, it was peaceful when Turks controlled it, and started to go into deep shit when they are gone (although Europe/USA/USSR did destructive work too).

So, if Arabs couldn't live peacefully even between themselves (just look at Lebanese civil war and history of Palestinians in Jordan), how could they live peacefully with fully foreign entity like Israel? From other parts of Muslim world, only Iran really has something against Israel, others don't care that much.


Bernd 01/31/2019 (Thu) 22:12:17 [Preview] No.22945 del
>>22944
>>22944
>Muslim Spain was culturally close to the Europe
nah, not really.

>So called Muslim golden age was also build on rich legacy of post-Roman states in west
post roman states at the time was in deep shit

Also people really severely underestimate arabic literary tradition, there were city people in pre islam arabia with good literarly tradition. They had lots of cultural interaction with their neighbours and they were trading with ethiopia and india by sea.

Many people say Iran was kangz and shiet and brough civilization to islam, but before islam Iran didn't have such advanced literary tradition, not to mention they didnt document their stuff as much as ancient greeks or chinese.

In fact there are more things that we could romanticize about pre islamic arabia more than ancient persia if not more, I say this even though I'm not highly fond of them.

you need to be top tier patrician to appreciate pre islamic arabia


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 06:08:40 [Preview] No.22946 del
>>22945
Arabia before Islam was degenerate though.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 06:38:59 [Preview] No.22947 del
>>22944
>So, if Arabs couldn't live peacefully even between themselves
I'm gonna put forward a different reason why the Middle East has so much conflict nowadays. The meddling of powers around. What powers? First and foremost the USA, during the Cold War it was USA-SU, but now Russia is in the second line with the EU. The third line is the local powers: Iran, Israel, Saudi and Turkey. These entities play their games there hoping to gain something out of it, and their manipulations results in the wars of the region.
Yes, Arab states will always have rivalries and social changes can play out in a violent way. But what started the Arab Spring? Who is behind the Yemeni civil war?


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:03:31 [Preview] No.22951 del
>>22946
are you implying it is not now? plus most sources we know about pre islam morals are from very biased muslim sources written after 100 years after the muhammed's death.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:17:56 [Preview] No.22953 del
>>22947
>>22947
>But what started the Arab Spring?
americans.

thank you for millions of refugees and even more destabilized arabia. we could have stopped it if we didnt have US puppet government. democracy in this region is ochlocracy and it's crime against humanity.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:26:10 [Preview] No.22954 del
Jobbik might close up shop.
They got fined over 9000 times by the Parliament's court of auditors and now they have to pay an impossible amount of sum. The party called a general assembly to talk the future over and they will decide what's next. Would be fun if the biggest opposing party ceased to exist.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:32:41 [Preview] No.22955 del
>>22953
>americans.
So einfach ist das. Maybe Arabs has an inherent nature for quarreling but not that's what caused the recent violence wave. It might have been exploited tho.
But for example this long peace we experience is quite extraordinary on our old continent. There are number of reasons behind it, but it's not really the inherent peaceful nature of the people of Europe.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 17:42:56 [Preview] No.22956 del
>>22953
Americans (and Saudis, Israelis, Qataris and so on) didn't start the Arab Spring, they merely took advantage of unrest as soon as it started.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 18:21:03 [Preview] No.22959 del
>>22956
>unrest
We always have that. Still it doesn't turn into civil war or anything because noone comes here and inflate it into it.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 19:58:02 [Preview] No.22960 del
>>22956
not recognizing fundamentalist failed state governments, would be nice step prevent such destabilization.

calling people who wants to behead his neigbour and play football with his head, democrats is a terrible idea.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 21:04:23 [Preview] No.22961 del
>>22959
I'm talking about the protest phase. Nobody needs CIA backing to initiate demonstrations against their government.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 22:42:58 [Preview] No.22964 del
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>>22961
>>22961
> Nobody needs CIA backing to initiate demonstrations against their government.
they need CIA for weapons and supply though.


Bernd 02/03/2019 (Sun) 01:10:25 [Preview] No.22985 del
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Newly-elected Senators and Deputies were sworn in yesterday and set about to elect Presidents for each House of the Legislative. These elections aren't terribly relevant, as the posts only exist to be part of the presidential line of succession, organize sessions and defend the interests of MPs as a class. The dispute is intense and involves a lot of negotiations and party coalition-building, but little ideology.

On the Lower House, incumbent Rodrigo Maia (DEM) assembled an extensive coalition ranging from the Communists to Bolsonaro's party and won a smooth victory with 334 out of 513 Deputies. He declared himself in favor of Bolsonaro's reform agenda and is a friend of the Executive.

The Senate, however, saw a chaotic process. Renan Calheiros, a heavyweight of the old feudal Center who has represented his state since 1995 (and will remain on his post until at least 2027) and occupied the Presidency from 2015 to 2017, was expected to win. He is unpopular with the general public but has a lot of sway in the Senate. A large number of candidates signed up and an anti-Calheiros coalition began to form. Note that a second round can be held if no candidate gets more than half of the vote on the first round.
Yesterday Senators voted that the election would have non-secret ballots. This weakened Calheiros due to his aforementioned unpopularity. Nonstop squabbling followed. A Supreme Court judge ordered that the election would have secret ballots. Senators then debated on wheter to obey the ruling, as Calheiros himself had previously defied a Supreme Court decision to expel him from the Presidency. (When asked about why he opposed the Court before and supported it now, he simply answered that "it's different"). Ultimately they accepted that secret ballots would be used, but anti-secrecy Senators would declare their votes to the public. One Senator asked "how long are we staying here"? After much shouting and confusion the day's session was over and the voting was delayed to this day.
Today the anti-Calheiros coalition chose to concentrate votes on Alcolumbre and withdrew 3 candidates. Pro-Calheiros candidates, on the other hand, maintained their runs. A vote was held. 82 ballots were counted out of 81 Senators. This vote was cancelled and another one was called.
Calheiros soon decided to withdraw his run after several Senators (Bolsonaro's son and the PSDB's four seats) he had counted on declared their votes for Alcolumbre. All votes towards Calheiros were declared null, and Alcolumbre won in the first round with 42 votes. Calheiros claimed that the Senate was under attack. Some pundits say he now intends to lead the opposition.

>>22964
What I'm saying is that the protests were endogenous. Arab countries had youth-heavy demographics, a low in the economic cycle and lots of men angry at their regimes. All foreign powers do is take advantage of those internal factors, and in this respect, regional leaders can significantly reduce their chances of becoming Syria by providing a good administration.
Though in the absence of external pressure, armed uprisings can still happen but they get hastily crushed. See the Muslim Brotherhood's failed rebellion against Hafez al-Assad;


Bernd 02/03/2019 (Sun) 12:44:38 [Preview] No.22992 del
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>>22985
>it's different
Picrel.
This whole parliamentary chicanery is fun. If I took part in it probably would get ulcers but from here I can enjoy it's grotesque hilarity.


Bernd 02/03/2019 (Sun) 14:41:58 [Preview] No.22993 del
>>22985
since when lots of angry younglings have stacks of weapons in their home? not to mention those hard to smuggle weapons.


Bernd 02/03/2019 (Sun) 19:12:53 [Preview] No.22997 del
Orbán informed the MTI (Hungarian news agency) about the offical standpoint of the govt in the question of the events in Venezuela. He said Pablo Casado gave him a call and asked about it and Orbán replied we are on the side of the Spanish government, our opinion is same as theirs.
Liberal media now marvels that he doesn't share Putin's and Erdogan's view, but he's on the side of Macron and Merkel. They also point out how Orbán didn't declare it clearly and he needed a week to say something.
It's crazy how they believe in their own propaganda that Orbán is bff with Putin, or that Orbán is against EU opinion and policies. Or maybe they don't believe it but still have to present things as if.


Bernd 02/04/2019 (Mon) 08:00:08 [Preview] No.23002 del
>>22997
>It's crazy
it's 2019, we, the sane ones are crazy nao.


Bernd 02/04/2019 (Mon) 16:10:51 [Preview] No.23004 del
>>23002
>we, the sane ones
Just speak for yourself.


Bernd 02/04/2019 (Mon) 16:37:21 [Preview] No.23007 del


Bernd 02/06/2019 (Wed) 18:03:27 [Preview] No.23047 del
Poli-poli-politics.
What's up with Brexit nao? A newspaper got in my hand today and I gained the info that May declared there will be a Brexit at the end of March, while the Foreign Secretary said they'll need to postpone it.
And what's up with Corbyn? According to proofs now he is pro-Brexit:
https://www.rt.com/news/450781-special-place-in-hell-brexit/
>both May and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn were “pro-Brexit.”
I thought noone knows Corbyn's standpoint.


Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 17:24:35 [Preview] No.23061 del
>>23047
They both want to change the definition of Brexit to all EU legislation but no say in it anymore. Corbyn is probably more pro-Brexit privately but has to tow the party line I think.


Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 18:31:43 [Preview] No.23062 del
>>23061
Aren't Labour voters anti-Brexit? How come the leader of Labour is pro-Brexit?
I suspect it could something to do with such maneuvers that those who step forward the don't want Brexit can be accused with being anti-democratic since it goes against the vote of majority (even if this majority was slim and now already changed) and with that demonizing that person.


Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 20:06:10 [Preview] No.23065 del
>>23062
>Aren't Labour voters anti-Brexit? How come the leader of Labour is pro-Brexit?
Corbyn himself has been campaigning against the EU since the 1970s, but pubically supported Remain because, as you say, most of the party and its voters are anti-Brexit.


Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 20:08:35 [Preview] No.23066 del
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>>23065
>pubically
Kek, drunkposting at its finest


Bernd 02/07/2019 (Thu) 20:21:00 [Preview] No.23067 del
>>23066
You also contradict yourself saying he supported Remain in pubic because his voters supported Leave.
For me from the outside it seems those who want to remain see at Labour to change the result of the referendum. I have some exposure of the habbenings of the Small Island as I've some peeps who work or learn there.


Bernd 02/09/2019 (Sat) 23:14:43 [Preview] No.23110 del
>Maduro holds a press conference to say everything is fine and Venezuela doesn't need any international aid
>power outage happens right in the middle
You can't make this shit up.

Meanwhile, the Bolivarian Republic is shipping construction materials and food to Cuba. This is similar to Stalin exporting grain while his subjects starved, but Joe did it for the money while Maduro is doing it to prop up his image and prove his submission to his masters. As the bearded old man used to say, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.


Bernd 02/10/2019 (Sun) 07:35:03 [Preview] No.23111 del
>>23110
They've no internet. I almost envy them.
How can they starve? Give them plots of lands and let them grow their own sustenance, people find their way if the govt. let them. The SU didn't let them, so famine started, now this fuck don't. Great job.


Bernd 02/10/2019 (Sun) 17:27:04 [Preview] No.23114 del
This is annoying. Here's an article, I'm gonna give you the tl;dr version and I'll bitch and moan a little in the end.
https://index.hu/techtud/2019/02/09/anazonas_oserdo_amazonia_oslakosok_erdoirtas_pusztitas_civilizacio/?token=79b931f7a9d44735ba43d500c3111c1f
So it's about the fallen civilization now covered by the Amazonian jungle and how they found traces of it and how they use modern technology (lidar) to survey the land below the foilage. The article refers to some interesting stuff, cites results of researchers, voices and quotes a Hungarian archaeologis who helps the work of these researchers. It gives a brief insight on things basically.
However the journalist can't help himself not to insert some political jabs in his article. He says in the intro that Brasil's fresh far-right president now does everything he can to make the natives and the jungle disappear. Then he repeats this message through the archaeologist he quotes.
I hate this shit. This is why I cannot endure much this news propaganda site. They have to drench everything with daily politics and their political opinion. And when they do this in kinda scientific articles they don't even have to support these brief agitations since the text - seemingly - isn't about this.
The other day I read about Stein Aurél (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurel_Stein) from another journalist and he also took a short detour into daily politics. I wanted to choke that motherfucker. I hope he dies of phimosis.


Bernd 02/10/2019 (Sun) 17:27:58 [Preview] No.23115 del
>>23114
Oh, forgot an image to draw attention.


Bernd 02/10/2019 (Sun) 22:19:50 [Preview] No.23122 del
>>23111
>How can they starve? Give them plots of lands and let them grow their own sustenance, people find their way if the govt. let them.
That could work, but it'd take a long transition period and would hamper recovery in other areas as Venezuela is a modern urbanized economy and doesn't need manpower-intensive agriculture.
Although Chavez' land reforms did a lot of damage (handing land to his cronies and creating an atmosphere of uncertainty for investors), there are still a lot of farmers willing to supply food. The main obstacle is price controls, which force producers to sell at a loss. If they were removed, food prices would skyrocket at first. This increase merely exposes the reality that had been kept hidden. Black market prices give a better indication of actual costs faced by producers, though they're higher than that due to government repression, a feature inherent to black markets. The actual price would be somewhere between regulated prices and black market prices. Farmers would then gradually restore production, stores would be filled and prices would slowly decrease again.


Bernd 02/11/2019 (Mon) 06:24:24 [Preview] No.23125 del
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>>23122
I also meant it as a preventive measure and not just a band aid to a fracture. I haven't knew about the land reforms, so basically that shouldn't have happened, or in a different form, giving land to wider range of the population. I understand Venezuela relies solely on oil export to support her economy, which means many hands would available on farms to grow crops. People rather work their own little lands than the great latifundiums of oligarchs.
>recovery
Plans are in effect?

Am gonna put this here for later read, so I won't forget it:
https://permaculturenews.org/2011/04/14/sustainable-agriculture-urgently-needed-un-agencies-say/


Bernd 02/11/2019 (Mon) 19:08:18 [Preview] No.23131 del
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Orbán held his usual yearly evaluation speech yesterday, ofc the topic was 2018.
He said everything is good and nice, Hungary is STRONK, our Penis is the Biggest.
Now it's the 7th year that Hungary Performs Better, the economy grew 5%. By population we are the 88th country, but the 34th in export, 20th in car/car parts export, 19th in pharma export, 15. in cereal export. The public dept fell from 85% to 11, minimum wage more than doubled etc etc.
He claimed they did great steps toward the elimination of poverty and they want to go on. He also mentioned how much they did for the middle class. For the future it is important to support entrepreneurs and their effort to make investments in foreign countries so they can bring profit home.
He declared that Fidesz is real patriot, he called the socialists commies and the Jobbik nazi. He also said they killed Hungarians and Jews. The opposition is a joke, they are kept alive by Brussels and Soros' money.
He dropped some /pol/-tier redpills about internationalists in Brussels, and how they want to import more migrants, the EU parliament voted a bill to support political NGOs who helps migrants to Europe who get filled credit cards, that they want to create the judicial background to make immigration legal, and punish those countries who resist.
He also said the population change will go down fast with accelerating pace, the migrants will outbreed Christians. He spoke all along about Christians and Muslims, no white or European or such word was used. The nations of mixed countries (as in mixed Christians and Muslims) will turn into dust on the roadside of the highway of folks. Timmermans is an agent of Soros.
Finally he said instead of migration we'll make Hungarian babies. To support his the Fidesz will make new laws based on existing ones to support families. He draw up a 7 points "family preserving action":
1. Every woman below 40 gets 30 000 € for their first marriage as a reduced rate loan. But. At the first child, the payments will be put on hold for 3 years, at the second child again 3 years and the third of the money will be forgiven, at the third kid the whole.
2. They will modify the CSOK, a law that gives money for buying/building a home. All in all with the first point a family could get even 70-100 thousands € support.
3. In case of mortgage loan, for two kids the state will redeem 3000 €, three kids 12000 €, if there's more children 3-3000 € more for every one of them.
4. Women gave birth to 4 children and raise them get personal income tax immunity.
5. Support buying a car up to 8000 €.
6. Building new nurseries and make them free.
7. Child care support for grandparents - families can decide to put their children in the grandparents "care" - basically allowing both parents to work and still get money for the kids. (For now one parent can stay at home for 2 years I think and get some money, but that parent can't work or no money.)
Two more plans for the future: send secondary school students for 2x2 weeks to a language learning course abroad, and put a healthy sum to medical/healthcare developments.


Bernd 02/11/2019 (Mon) 19:11:54 [Preview] No.23132 del
>>23131
so basically free money for breeding gypsies?


Bernd 02/11/2019 (Mon) 19:19:00 [Preview] No.23133 del
>>23131
This can be watched/listened here:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nU6Z3rOc8-4 [Embed]

Additional information:
He gives really good speeches, I almost believed him.
The family support will be fine, most of the gyppos cannot into them due to strict conditions. Still they will be problems, the population change cannot be stopped here either we are a mixed country now but not along the lines of Christian-Muslim dichotomy. And acknowledging this is impossible for any mainstream parties. We are fucked.
Our governments are also sucked at supporting home grown entrepreneurs, the Fidesz sucks too. EU and their companies are more important. Here only those can be successful who suck Fidesz cock.
Not one word about education only a some foreshadowing that we have to produce workers for factories no matter how hight-tech they will be.
The whole thing was a good polishing of their own ego.


Bernd 02/11/2019 (Mon) 19:19:34 [Preview] No.23134 del
>>23132
Nod really: >>23133


Bernd 02/11/2019 (Mon) 23:10:59 [Preview] No.23144 del
>>23125
>I understand Venezuela relies solely on oil export to support her economy, which means many hands would available on farms to grow crops.
Those hands aren't sitting idle, they have jobs in services or manufacturing and moving them to the fields is suboptimal. The fields don't lack hands; land reform mostly consists of giving plots to those who already work for the oligarchs.
Metropolises in Latin America are already surrounded by belts of smallholders producing food (latifundia aren't the only ones around), and are at a sufficiently high level of prosperity to prevent starvation even with suboptimal food production. Starvation in Venezuela is entirely the product of government policy.
That said, having more smallholders (just a small number) would still have advantages and provide aadditional food security. But the first and easiest layer on the defense against starvation is just not having a horribly incompetent government.


Bernd 02/12/2019 (Tue) 22:00:08 [Preview] No.23158 del
>>23144
I see.
The US keeps sanctioning Venezuela, isn't she? Maybe other countries as well. In practice it means they don't buy their oil? Or there are other ramifications?


Bernd 02/13/2019 (Wed) 01:08:22 [Preview] No.23160 del
>>23158
Oil sanctions began very recently. They ban American individuals from negotiating with PDVSA and interrupted shipments of oils which the local petrochemical industry had to import and mix with its heavier oil to allow it to flow through pipelines. A level of oil exports to America still exists. Prior sanctions started under Maduro and mostly targeted regime officials.
The EU has some sanctions of its own but it doesn't care as much as America does. A press release from last November says they consist of just an arms embargo and restrictions on just 18 people.


Bernd 02/13/2019 (Wed) 06:17:11 [Preview] No.23164 del
>>23160
Which country was few years back where certain photos were made about empty shelves of shops and were posted on KC main saying "haha get rekt, sanctions are working, USA #1" or some shit liek that?


Bernd 02/13/2019 (Wed) 19:34:19 [Preview] No.23182 del
As suspected the opposition and the "independent" media find this >>23131 plan inadequate. They are right for an extent, in itself is not enough to turn the population problem over. I believe the thing that would help is a change in the heads, the society should think about the family and children very differently, but also about the community of our people, the nation. I don't see how the Fidesz could change that. They aren't for the job, because themselves don't have the mentality, they don't know it, they don't feel it and there's no outside source to copy.
Nevertheless this family supporting policies are nice maybe the process will be slow down somewhat.
Additional information: apparently according to the worst case scenario the population will drop to 6 mil by 2070 from the current 9,7 mil. Even this ain't would be bad not for the gypsies multiplying even without much monetary help.
Falling population also could help automation, since it makes the human workforce more expensive, so it could worth to invest into shiny tech to replace some.


Bernd 02/16/2019 (Sat) 00:43:55 [Preview] No.23264 del
>>22456
How does a war with France make us obsessed with Germany?


Bernd 02/16/2019 (Sat) 21:11:22 [Preview] No.23279 del
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>>23270
My body is ready.
Sounds a little sensationalist tho. However I'm fairly sure next election legislative will bring changes. But EU elections are coming in May not sure how things will turn out. Not just I'm not familiar with the situation and in general French politics, but as I understand these Gilets jaunes dudes all have different political background from all over the palette.
In the last parliamentary FN was the second strongest party I assume it will try to ride the wave of discontent. Maybe it is doing right now. If someone could give me a quick rundown would be nice.


Bernd 02/16/2019 (Sat) 21:11:52 [Preview] No.23280 del
>>23279
*next legislative election


Bernd 02/16/2019 (Sat) 21:21:26 [Preview] No.23281 del
>>23279
Ehh. I checked - should have beforehand, but raincoat after rain - and it was the presidential when the FN (actually Le Pen) did good, compared to itself. On the last parliamentary the REM with Macron, and Sarko's party won the most seats. While FN got quite a lot votes, due to the system it didn't really matter.


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 14:59:31 [Preview] No.23334 del
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anglo suffering makes me happy


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 16:24:58 [Preview] No.23335 del
>>23334
It's still before Brexit, so "leave.eu" isn't proven wrong yet.


Bernd 02/22/2019 (Fri) 21:08:08 [Preview] No.23399 del
Maduro closed his border with us. Some locals protested against this and were fired at, leaving 2 dead and 14 wounded.


Bernd 02/22/2019 (Fri) 22:25:42 [Preview] No.23401 del
New posters appeared all over the country, EU elections are coming, the Fidesz restarted the propaganda machine. The message is basically repeats what Orbán told about the migrants and Brussels I already wrote here >>23131 in the paragraph begins with: "He dropped some /pol/-tier redpills..."
Again for this election they will ride the same horse, it still has a few good kilometers in it for sure.
It could be so much more. Ofc centralization vs. federalization is an important matter and the "can we be told to accept migrants?" question is the part of it... but not all! For example centralization could also be done in several ways if that happens, but there are other stuff the people should know about if they want to make a responsible decision in the voting booth. Frankly EU is about common economy and foreign policy (for now), but these are also very complex topics. And we - the voters - don't know anything about it.
Soros baaaad, Juncker baaaad.
Opposing parties cannot even turn over the discussion. They can bleat about corruption and that the European People's Party wants to boot Fidesz out of it's lines. Again. Like twice every year, still they don't do it.
Can even EU citizens grasp what the whole thing is about?


Bernd 02/22/2019 (Fri) 22:31:26 [Preview] No.23402 del
>>23399
Now in English:
https://index.hu/english/2019/02/21/venezuela_hungary_refugees_secrecy_immigration_tax_malta_charity_government/
>"Nobody here speaks Hungarian"
Wtf? Venezuelans are worse than Bernd, srsly.


Bernd 02/22/2019 (Fri) 23:19:18 [Preview] No.23403 del
>>23401
>Can even EU citizens grasp what the whole thing is about?

All I know for sure is that the elite doesn't care about us.
There is so much information floating around and the EU is such a bureaucratic monstrosity that a normal human bean can't figure out what is really going on. I hear people unironically say that open borders are bad for globalism and that a brexit will only profit the City of London.
As an outsider I would think any sane Hungarian should support Orbán since he doesn't let Hungary become another cynical multicultural shithole like Germany or the rest of Western Europe. The more stories of corruption I hear about Hungary in our national news, the more I a convinced he must be doing a good job. Because any EU member putting the blame on Orbán for corruption is like an Argentinian calling a nigger black.


Bernd 02/22/2019 (Fri) 23:44:30 [Preview] No.23405 del
>>23401
better be corrupt than losing your identity and culture.


Bernd 02/23/2019 (Sat) 14:30:41 [Preview] No.23417 del
>>23405
Yeah.
My problem is - which I didn't formulate properly - people barely can see what's going on with their own country how could they navigate in the politics of the EU, how could they comprehend being the citizen of this conglomerate of countries. Especially with the smokescreen generated by the squabbling parties trying to con people for their votes.

>>23403
Interestingly we don't know anything about western corruption. According to left-liberal media the west is the paragon of virtue, but the Fidesz media isn't says the opposite, it's just demonize certain people who play the facade for the faceless EU bureaucracy.


Bernd 02/24/2019 (Sun) 00:28:37 [Preview] No.23423 del
>>23401
Juncker's physical appearence is a boon to Orbán's propaganda machine. Eurocrats should replace him with a better-looking individual.

>The Hungarian program would put Germany's 2015 "Wilkommenskultur" to shame.
The comparison is overstated. Only a very narrow selection of Venezuelans is allowed in. The population influx is so small it barely makes a difference.

>>23417
>western corruption
I don't doubt it's the lowest in the world, at least as far as the negative impact of corruption on economic freedom and the quality of government services is concerned, which are observably highest in the First World. Corruption doesn't happen randomly, it's a product of culture and institutions.
But the EU's functioning is opaque and most people don't understand and don't follow its minutiae, so it has little transparency. This still leaves room for corruption.


Bernd 02/24/2019 (Sun) 18:35:20 [Preview] No.23431 del
>>23423
>Juncker
He gives the impression of an evil Jew in that pic. And that five minute gap between his incisors...

Yeah, that's an "independent" newspaper for you.


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 10:39:58 [Preview] No.23483 del
What do you think will happen with the India/Pakistan conflict guys?


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 17:35:56 [Preview] No.23488 del
>>23483
I probably need some more info before I could judge it.
I know Pakis shot down two Indian aircraft. Or the other way around, hardly matters who did what they did pretty much everything against each other by now but sending nukes. The conflict is going on since liek 70 years now? Anytime anything can develop it into an open war and anytime anything can be pretty much irrelevant and they would just do their business.


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 17:53:39 [Preview] No.23490 del
>>23483
Modi can't rely on economic success, so he has to resort to Hindu nationalism, alienating the other religious groups in India, especially the remaining Muslims (almost 200 million of them in India). So India has an internal problem with Muslims, that might be growing outside the Kashmir region as well, because they force stuff like vegetarianism on everybody. As both countries have nukes no side is interested in an escalation, but having hardcore Hindus and Muslims in charge of both countries without the USA acting as voice of reason this can escalate quickly.


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 18:21:52 [Preview] No.23493 del
>>23490
That brings an other question. Does anyone want to act as voice of reason? Will the US step in and say wait a minute? Or anyone else?


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 18:28:03 [Preview] No.23494 del
>>23493
China invested heavily in Pakistan and is the enemy of India as they conquered some parts of Kashmir too. It's not a voice of reason, but simply one of power.


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 18:41:46 [Preview] No.23496 del
>>23494
Maybe someone else has interest in the stability of the region. I dunno one. But maybe the US don't want more angry Muslims.


Bernd 03/06/2019 (Wed) 16:53:48 [Preview] No.23609 del
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Bolsonaro shared a video of someone getting cheered on by the crowd while willingly getting peed atop a bus stop during Carnival and expressed his disgust. Later on he made this tweet.
Everyone knows that Carnival is a disgusting cartel-funded event where people's inner savagery is not only exposed but glorified, and yet nobody is supposed to call attention to this. Oppositionists on Twitter are mad and demand his immediate impeachment.


Bernd 03/06/2019 (Wed) 17:22:01 [Preview] No.23610 del
>>23609
How dare he pee-shaming others?!


Bernd 03/06/2019 (Wed) 20:25:06 [Preview] No.23612 del
>>23609
>cartel-funded
roughly how much money does it move? is it significant gdp-wise?

>cheered on by the crowd while willingly getting peed atop a bus stop
>people's inner savagery
perhaps if there was some naturalness to it, instead this sounds like commiefornia-tire debauchery and perversion
or what sort of savages do you have over there?


Bernd 03/07/2019 (Thu) 11:48:05 [Preview] No.23619 del
>gdp
for such seasonal events


Bernd 03/07/2019 (Thu) 19:54:04 [Preview] No.23626 del
>>23612
>roughly how much money does it move? is it significant gdp-wise?
Carnival has a major economic impact, providing a major boost to tourism and consumption. It's also relevant in the labor market because workers don't spend as much effort in the period between summer vacations and Carnival, though this is mostly just popular perception rather than a reality.
The extent of black money behind it is unknown and no large-scale criminal investigation has probed it. The topic sometimes shows up in highbrow media and even important figures like Rio's mayor have admitted that it happens; nobody considers it a conspiracy theory, just an obscure fact. What is known is that the finances of the clubs which organize parades are shady and opaque, and for this reason they're used to launder proceeds from gambling and drug traffick. For cartels it is also part of their soft power, "social spending" and parastate activity.

>or what sort of savages do you have over there?
Bydlos can have very contradicting behavior, the same boomers who elected Bolsonaro also fap to trannies and novinhas on Xvideos. In the past they could go as far as to fight a religiously-motivated monarchist war against the Republic, but elites have for centuries deemed their behavior degenerate and considered themselves a bastion of civilization and morality. This self-image was lost last century and now part of them cling on to residual bourgeois morality while another part encourages and tolerates the worst possible behavior from the lower classes.


Bernd 03/08/2019 (Fri) 17:35:15 [Preview] No.23638 del
Finnish government had to finish it's mandate early. They couldn't reform their healthcare. Such cases:
https://www.politico.eu/article/finlands-government-collapses-over-failed-health-care-reform/

They hold the new election on 14th April. Will this year will be the blondie's finally?


Die grüne nazis Bernd 03/09/2019 (Sat) 10:17:31 [Preview] No.23647 del
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Bernd 03/09/2019 (Sat) 11:16:50 [Preview] No.23648 del
>>23647
What is this image trying to convey?


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 14:08:26 [Preview] No.23668 del
>>23648
Environmentally friendly Nazis maybe? I guess Jews could count as a renewable energy source.


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 16:28:34 [Preview] No.23669 del
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>>23668
Jews can generate much butthurt all right while themselves are constantly butthurted. But that needs to be harnessed somehow. Wasn't some Polandball comic about this? Poland, Ukraine and Russia is coming to mind. Or was it troll-science comic?

>>23647
Frankly that flag looks awful. This looks much better.


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 18:26:35 [Preview] No.23672 del
>>23670
>företrädare
spürdospädre
On the other hand green "values" can fit into natsoc thinking. I think the first real animal protection laws were made by Nazi Germany. Also Blut und Boden, now we bought this land by paying with our blood (and the enemy's) we shouldn't let it go down the shitter. Also to cultivate healthy, clean individuals the environment also should be healthy and clean.
I think we too much used to socialists and liberals expropriate certain ideas, topics.


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 18:52:04 [Preview] No.23673 del
Gilet jaunes recently destroyed a masonic lodge:
https://www.rt.com/news/453477-yellow-vests-masonic-lodge/


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 19:42:06 [Preview] No.23674 del
>>23673
Soon this thread reach bump limit. I consider making the next thread gilet jauntes themed they are kinda memeworthy. The other possibilities are Venezuela and Brexit, the latter is very timely.


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 20:01:19 [Preview] No.23675 del
>>23674
God, I just realised how many conflicts popped up in just the season. Gilet jaunes in France, American intervention in Venezuela, another Indo-Pakistani war..


Bernd 03/11/2019 (Mon) 20:28:56 [Preview] No.23677 del
>>23675
With the ongoing fun stuff, Syria, North Korea (saw in the media something like the fatso making fool out of the dotard by giving empty promises on giving up his nukes). I guess Africa also sees the usual tribal mayhem.


Bernd 03/12/2019 (Tue) 16:48:10 [Preview] No.23682 del
>>23675
I'm glad the Kashmir border conflict simmered down a little again, the great shitstorm of our time starting over that would just have been too funny.


Bernd 03/13/2019 (Wed) 04:55:31 [Preview] No.23695 del
>>23682
A bunch of things seem to start and either scale back down or just end up stalemating. It's all getting a bit numbing.


Bernd 03/13/2019 (Wed) 06:36:43 [Preview] No.23696 del
>>23682
>>23695
Maybe it's a bargaining technique. Just because someone looks threatening it doesn't necessarily means he/she is really ready for physical confrontation. Southerners are more temperamental anyway. Even actual bargaining on the market over some junk can be very emotional with lots of screaming and cursing and such.
Also this: >>23593


Bernd 03/17/2019 (Sun) 08:31:09 [Preview] No.23812 del
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Yesterday presidential elections first round were held on the Northern Hungary. The position isn't as strong as in the USA so stakes aren't that high but a president from he opposition can be a problem, especially now.
Here's an article with more:
https://www.politico.eu/article/zuzana-caputova-slovakia-president-election-maros-sefcovic-stefan-harabin/.

The candidates, votes and short comment:
Kaput Zsuzsa - 40,5% - she's from the opposition, backed by a freshly created party.
Sefcsó Márió - 18,7% - backed by the government, right now he is the Vice-Prez of the European Commission
These two above got into the second round.
Karabély István - 14,4% - former Minister of Justice.
Kotláb Máriusz - 10,4% - the leader the nazi L'SNS.
Miklóskai Ferenc - 5,7% - christian-democrat.
Bugár Béla - 3,1% - from the Hungarian Most-Híd party.

It seems the main issue which the leading candidate was able to exploit is the recent government's corruption.


Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 12:34:26 [Preview] No.23875 del
>>23812
Is she liberashka?
>kaput


Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 18:43:16 [Preview] No.23879 del
Looks like endchan is back up. Few hours ago Bolsonaro was in the White House. Trump gave him a football jersey of the unsuccessful US soccer team.


Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 18:45:47 [Preview] No.23880 del
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proofs


Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 18:57:41 [Preview] No.23881 del
>>23875
Looks like it. It wouldn't be a problem but it might be a start of change in the leadership of Northern Hungary. Maybe on legislative elections they pick a party to govern who is more compliant toward Brussels. And here in the east we really need to support each other from the central pressure.
On the other hand those Northern Hungarian parties who have stronger stance against the centralization proponents of the EU are kinda Hungarophobes sadly.

>>23880
US is a mixed bag in football. Sometimes they do fair sometimes worse. They have the money to build world class teams but they don't do it. Just short heda but no culture of football.


Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 02:26:51 [Preview] No.23909 del
>>23880
Losts of events happening in the past few days. Bolsonaro brought key figures including finance tsar Paulo Guedes to his visit. Points include:

-He visited the CIA's headquarters. Hmm.
-Brazil was designated a major non-NATO ally.
-Visa restrictions were lifted for Japan, America, Australia and Canada.
-Guedes made a speech at the Chamber of Commerce. He claimed Bolsonaro has the balls (his own words) to conduct necessary reforms, promised to open up trade and tried to convince investors to apply their money here.
-Bolsonaro, Guedes, Bannon and chief ideologue Olavo de Carvalho dined at the ambassador's home last Sunday. Guedes called de Carvalho "father of the conservative revolution" but criticized him for his remarks against Bolsonaro's military allies and reminded him that Bolsonaro leads a pan-ideological coalition.
For context: Bolsonaro brings together a number of lobbies and factions, including liberals (led by Guedes), agrobusinesss interests, Protestants, high-ranking military officers (most of whom are outsiders invited last year for his ministers; contrary to what many thought, they are the most moderate and level-headed members of his cabinet) and opportunists. Those factions have competing interests and often clash. For instance, agrarians successfully lobbied to increase protectionism for milk even though liberals wanted to keep milk imports to lower inflation and ease prices for consumers. Their ideological duct tape is Olavo de Carvalho. A self-taught intellectual with no academic recognition, he's a bit of a hack but his ideological opponents in academia aren't any better, allowing him to act. Over the past three decades, he laid the groundwork for Bolsonaro's rise by providing the many opponents of the left-populist/centrist party system with an ideology. Although the result is a neocon Frankenstein, it had electoral success.
But Olavo also forms his own lobby of "intellectuals" and foreign minister Ernesto Araújo is seen as his appointee. Araújo had experience in his area but is more famous for his idelogical blog. There he cites Spengler and narrates the decline of the West but gives it a neocon twist by blaming it all on China. Recently Olavo has criticized the military and boldly claimed they want to overthrow Bolsonaro.


Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 03:18:03 [Preview] No.23910 del
>>23909
I'm sure some wings of the military are still heavily positivist and would like to cease power once again. We are truly blessed by the worst ideologies in the world.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 06:23:18 [Preview] No.23936 del
>>23909
It must be not easy to give all those interest groups a bone or two .
>Olavo de Carvalho
>self-taught intellectual with no academic recognition
Self-made men who has the will to act might be better than a bunch of indecisive eggheads. A bad decision is better than no decision at all. I learnt this from Sopranos.
>visited CIA
If he got instructions they would have abducted him and brought to a safe house while scaring the shit out of him. I learnt this from Homeland.

What was his conversation with Trump about?


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 12:55:37 [Preview] No.23939 del
>>23910
A coup ain't happening anytime soon. 1964 only happened due to a specific combination of an increasingly radical left in power, economic collapse, popular unrest, Cold War tensions, American support and a feeling that the government backed indiscipline within the Armed Forces. They are a serious institution and only did something that drastic because they believed it was necessary to save the nation.

>>23936
>What was his conversation with Trump about?
Geopolitics and S-P-A-C-E. Besides what I mentioned, logistical support for an intervention in Venezuela, renting Alcântara military base for satellite launches and cooperation with Nasa.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 14:34:07 [Preview] No.23942 del
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47648565
>almost 3 years later
>Brexit was supposed to be next week
>this shitty government STILL can't agree on a plan
>possible delay to June 30th
What an incompetent bitch. Hopefully the EU refuses the delay so I can at least enjoy the ensuing political chaos that a no deal Brexit would cause.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 14:55:33 [Preview] No.23943 del
>>23942
Looks like Brexit will end up like that vaporware Finnish nuclear reactor.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 15:31:46 [Preview] No.23944 del
Lava Jato arrested Temer and 7 of his allies. This means 2 out of 6 living former Presidents are now under custody. Temer didn't last 3 months without Presidential immunity.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 16:57:22 [Preview] No.23946 del
>>23942
What she could do? She negotiates not just with the EU but with the Commons as well, she's an intermediary too, she doesn't just make business in the name of the Bri'ish peeps.
And everyone tries to thread carefully since this will influence internal politics. People seem to think Brexit is foreign politics but it is far from it. All of them in the Parliament calculates how they will get out of this. Gain support or lose? Who will be the next to govern? Can they ride the Brexit or will they fall from it's back?
The deadline is next week, noone gets bonus for finishing earlier but all the sides (Commons, govt. EU) can hope the urge of making decision can force the others to give in.
In our time when we are used to shop at markets where the price is fixed and we don't have to bargain we forget how big drama bargaining can seem.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 16:58:09 [Preview] No.23947 del
>>23946
This reminds me I still have to reply to an Fatball on Ernst. Basically the same.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 17:36:04 [Preview] No.23949 del
>>23946
>she doesn't just make business in the name of the Bri'ish peeps.
But isn't that what she SHOULD be doing?. The government exists in order to serve the public, so denying them in favour of 25D interdimensional checkers games and political dick measuring contests is a mistake. Of course this is a negotiation and not something completely one-sided, but it's sad to see politicians on both sides using this as an opportunity for personal gain and support rather than thinking about what anyone actually wants.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 18:10:39 [Preview] No.23950 del
>>23949
That's the Parliament, the legislative body. In case of the UK the Commons. People elect it's members to represent their opinions and interests. The government serve the public indirectly, between them and the people is the Commons. She can come up with ideas and plans how Brexit should look like and try to convince the Commons (and the EU) to accept them. But the Commons (and the EU) has their own idea how it should look like. Actually the Commons has many ideas for it's many parties and interest groups inside parties. Even Tories are divided in this.


cont. Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 18:14:01 [Preview] No.23951 del
>>23950
Maybe a high "volume" person, a powerful, a charismatic, an influential, or an exceptionally ruthless one could muscle his/her ideas through. Or if there would be a forcing circumstance which would pressure them to stand up as one, or this circumstance could be exploited.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 18:48:54 [Preview] No.23954 del
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Some Hungarian visited the Swiss parliament yesterday. Left parties left the parliament, when the president of the big parliament chamber greeted the guest. One guy from the Green party stayed and just refused to clap and stand. Understandable as he is really fat and leaving would be too much of a hassle. He also used to be the mayor of Lausanne. Another mayor of a rich village that refuses to take any refugees would take a picture with the Hungarian guest.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 18:52:54 [Preview] No.23955 del
>>23950
>In case of the UK the Commons. People elect it's members to represent their opinions and interests
In theory that should be how it works. But in reality the MPs are too out-of-touch to know what the public wants and therefore can't represent them accurately. For example in my local area £50 million has been spent by MPs on a project to introduce 5G internet. In reality, people want them to solve the homelessness crisis and improve public services like the police force, public transport, and waste collection (which have all recently seen major budget cuts). Of course one might say "just vote for someone who WILL fix those problems", but nobody is proposing to. Maybe one might even say "stand as an independent and solve the problems yourself" but we all know that has never worked.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 19:00:00 [Preview] No.23956 del
>>23955
>waste collection hit by major budget cuts
that's rubbish
sorry, I couldn't help myself


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 19:09:53 [Preview] No.23957 del
>>23956
10/10 bantz tbh lad


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 19:14:23 [Preview] No.23958 del
>>23955
>But in reality the MPs are too out-of-touch to know what the public wants and therefore can't represent them accurately.
So how can you expect the government function flawlessly? My point was that they are between the people and the govt., like a buffer.
Besides the people themselves don't really know what they want or even think. They are just as divided and clueless.
So if the whole process seem full of flaws, ofc it is flawed but all in all it goes on all right considering what the politicians do, what they say has less to do with Brexit itself and more the political field after that.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 19:16:19 [Preview] No.23959 del
>>23954
I know who he is. He is the stache guy. What did he do in eSwitzini?


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 19:30:08 [Preview] No.23961 del
>>23959
Thanking Switzerland for taking Hungarian refugees after restoration of Catholicism by Habsburgers and restoration of hard core gommunism with Soviet tanks. I think it's common for parliaments to invite important figures from other parliaments.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 20:06:08 [Preview] No.23963 del
>>23961
Thank you Switzerland. I hope our refugees didn't caused to much trouble at Mügli am See and elsewhere.


Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 20:09:19 [Preview] No.23964 del
Huh, the thread reached bump limit. It's time for it to retire.



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