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Politics Serious Discusson - Brexit Edition Bernd 03/21/2019 (Thu) 20:43:13 [Preview] No. 23966
Anything politics.

For those who want to qwop-xit from the EU:
http://qwop.online/
This athlete needs matching colors with picrel.


Bernd 03/22/2019 (Fri) 15:26:34 [Preview] No.23980 del
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>tfw Brexit delayed by at least 2 weeks


Bernd 03/22/2019 (Fri) 17:20:07 [Preview] No.23983 del
>>23980
It is known?


Bernd 03/23/2019 (Sat) 21:51:17 [Preview] No.24010 del
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In the past few years with the migrant crisis on our hands the European People's Party frequently pulled out the idea that the Fidesz should be booted out of it's members. Never went through with it. Now they threatened again, here's the result (in English):
https://index.hu/english/2019/03/21/epp_fidesz_suspension_political_communication_trick_weber_orban_media_ep2019/
Basically Fidesz said they gave up their rights in the Party temporarily also leave the Soros financed Central European University alone. This allowed the EPP not going through with the threat but also can pretend they punished the renitent Fidesz who in return can boast the solution of their problem was theirs.


Bernd 03/23/2019 (Sat) 23:08:30 [Preview] No.24011 del
>>24010
So nothing of importance happens and everyone claims victory. In terms of pure negotiation, this is the perfect deal. Obviously the problem remains and continues to grow but everyone is happy in the short term.
But in all seriousness, what difference does it make if Fidesz is or is not within the EPP?


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 08:14:30 [Preview] No.24013 del
>>24011
>So nothing of importance happens and everyone claims victory. In terms of pure negotiation, this is the perfect deal. Obviously the problem remains and continues to grow but everyone is happy in the short term.
Exactly.
>what difference does it make if Fidesz is or is not within the EPP?
On the practical side I can count one effect of this deal: the opposing Hungarian media (mostly the left-liberals, the right-radical parties and groups have little media influence) can't gloat on how the Fidesz was booted out for it's evil deeds, can't forge political capital from the judgement, and can't simply just tell people: "see how evil the Fidesz, even their best pals condemn their tyranny!"
Hmm, we have an expression: "salami-tactic", which refers to the way how a rod of salami cut into slices. Leftist parties does the same since forever: they see their enemies as a nice piece of salami and they poke at one end and declare: "those guys are fascists!" Then the rest of the salami quickly dissociates themselves from the "fascists" to save themselves of being accused as fascist. The leftists are glad they managed to cut a slice away and see their tactic is working so they poke at the next on the end where they started and declare: "those guys are fascists!" And the process goes on until the whole body of enemies are gulaged and hanged. Divide et impera.
I see they doing this in case of the EPP. Since not just the Hungarian liberal media attacks the Fidesz, but foreign, western ones, they also attack the EPP. They say "Orbán is a fascist" and this looks bad for the EPP, and the EPP knows it. They have to do something but they won't let themselves to salami up.
But back to the practical side, I don't really know what's the deal. The Fidesz had to give up some rights in the party (temporarily) but I can't measure it's weight. Maybe being in the EPP matters because it's the biggest party group in the EU. Juncker, Tusk and Tajani are all EPP members, they held key positions. Maybe it matters on the level of how the EU gibsmedats are distributed, countries led by EPP members might get more if the EPP has major say in the EU's budget? I dunno.


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 08:15:12 [Preview] No.24014 del
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>>24013
Forgot illustration.


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 09:21:30 [Preview] No.24016 del
Brexit isn't happening.

Let me tell you what's going to happen and it's been planned from the start:
1) A "no deal" Brexit is denied by politicians. A terrible deal is deliberately made.
2) Voters are given a second referendum between Brexit with terrible deal or no Brexit.
3) Voters basically have to choose between remain or worse economy with still more immigrants. It's win win for the multi-nat powers that control Britain and Europe.
4) The result is so disastrous no other nation offers voters the choice.
5) Average voters are such cattle they won't vote for UKIP or anything other than the main 3-4 parties.


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 09:33:29 [Preview] No.24017 del
https://www.politico.eu/article/european-people-party-manfred-weber-how-the-epp-lost-its-way/
>13 national parties demanded the leadership confront Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán over his anti-democratic and anti-Semitic conduct
>anti-Semitic
Since when? How can they be accused with anti-semitism? With both Hungarian Jewish community and Israel Orbán's relation is great, harmonic. Where does this shit come from?

>>24016
Can happen.But I have to ask what do you base this on? Is there news about a second referendum? Not just speculation but has anyone (for example in the Commons) said such thing?


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 11:43:42 [Preview] No.24018 del
>>24017
maybe they are just calling him an ebil naadse, who cares about the meaning of words anyway? orban baad
or maybe some reckless person actually tried to convey the proper meaning of the word, greatest ally notwithstanding, gasp!


Bernd 03/24/2019 (Sun) 17:03:48 [Preview] No.24025 del
>>24018
Well yeah, after a while certain words can lose the original meaning and become simple derogatory terms. I don't think it is extended to anti-Arabs as well (Orbán isn't even anti-Arab to be honest) we (as in my family) speculate in this case anti-Semite is a substitute of anti-Soros. The problem with this in no govt. propaganda appears Soros' Jewish background.
Politico is clearly not written for the Hungarian people, it's for Westerners who know nothing about our country and Orbán can be demonized with painting him as an anti-Semite.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 12:56:37 [Preview] No.24038 del
>>24017
>Can happen.But I have to ask what do you base this on? Is there news about a second referendum? Not just speculation but has anyone (for example in the Commons) said such thing?
Nothing. However, I have noticed lots of heel dragging and mentions of taking a 'no deal' Brexit off the table in the news. This combined with Soros dumping lots of money into Best for Britain to try and push a second referendum makes me think, that's the way it's going.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2019/02/26/As-Brexit-nears-Theresa-May-expected-to-get-no-deal-exit-from-EU-off-table/9351551191579/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6615925/May-secretly-wants-Parliament-no-deal-Brexit-table.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/08/best-for-britain-thwart-brexit-george-soros


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 14:14:14 [Preview] No.24039 del
>>24016
>5) Average voters are such cattle they won't vote for UKIP or anything other than the main 3-4 parties.
What choice do they even have? UKIP is a meme without Farage and the only other anti-immigration options I can think of are shitty /pol/tard parties like BNP etc.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 17:13:31 [Preview] No.24040 del
>>24038
The first two articles aren't the freshest, I can't find a date on the Guardian one.
Haha, Corbyn too is such a slimebag. Vote against every deal May tries to put on table then rejects no-deal to put the pressure on, accuse May with incompetency to make a deal and leans back to watch May squirm.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 17:20:05 [Preview] No.24041 del
>>24038
Btw Guardian article:
>Downing Street said it had no qualms about the Soros donations to Best for Britain. “There are many political and campaign groups in this country – that’s entirely right and as you would expect in a democracy,” a spokesman said.
So some foreign dude funding political groups to influence the outcome of an important event in a country he has nothing to do with is totally acceptable in a democracy.
I wonder Athens would have allowed Spartans to have a say in their politics. I'm guessing no.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 20:23:32 [Preview] No.24049 del
Read these two articles:
https://www.politico.eu/article/no-sufficient-support-for-a-third-vote-on-brexit-deal/
https://www.politico.eu/article/philip-hammond-second-brexit-referendum-deserves-to-be-considered/
...and am very smart now.
On one hand for a no-deal Brexit the Commons would have to agree to do so. It won't.
On the other hand for a second referendum the Commons should vote to hold one. Do I remember right and the first one was initiated by the people after a successful signature gathering?
Here: >>24038 the first article says they wanted to vote if they want a no-Brexit deal, however Politico says up for this day no binding decision was made.
Today they also vote on some shit like alternative Brexit deals supposedly at 10pm local time which is now or more precisely they already should have voted. I assume those alternative deals will be also turned down. But the second referendum is also on the table. Exciting.


Bernd 03/25/2019 (Mon) 22:55:30 [Preview] No.24050 del
Temer has been released after spending less than a week behind bars.


Bernd 03/26/2019 (Tue) 06:57:45 [Preview] No.24051 del
>>24050
Justice in work I see.

Brexit:
https://www.politico.eu/article/house-of-commons-takes-control-of-brexit-westminster-theresa-may/
So yesterday's vote was about if the Commons want to take over tailoring the deal themselves, and vote on a series of question if they want this or that oooor if they want to push a second referendum. They do this in the next couple of days. Since 29th March is on Friday.
It will also be asked (I expect) if no-deal is on the table but I'm not seeing ensured the reply will be binding, we'll see.
It is also can happen that the Commons can't accept any other deal, then they have to back May's unless they vote for second referendum.
The question of the latter is not a simple one, since even parties are divided, some MP's want Brexit, some not, even the Labour has Brexiteer members. My prediction they will turn down a second plebiscite because while there are Tories who doesn't support Brexit some of them stands beside the first one. Maybe all will insist on keep going instead turning to the people.
Corbyn goes one step further:
>"whether any deal should be put to the people for a confirmatory vote.”
So even the Commons agrees on a deal, now he puts forward the idea even that one has to be approved by the people. Very Democratic. Kek. What a slimebag. Frankly this would fit the bill of obstructionism but he doesn't really says they should do it he just contemplates if they should do it. So basically he doesn't really say anything.
But all this is bullshit anyway. Even if the Commons agrees on an alternative way the EU might not. Most likely not since they had an agreement with May's plan, it was fine, only the Commons didn't accept it. So again, back to May's plan.


Bernd 03/26/2019 (Tue) 16:05:29 [Preview] No.24053 del
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>>24049
>Do I remember right and the first one was initiated by the people after a successful signature gathering?
>by the """"""""""people""""""""""
Pic related, it was rigged by Catholics and penguins.
>while there are Tories who doesn't support Brexit some of them stands beside the first one. Maybe all will insist on keep going instead turning to the people.
Even many of those who don't support Brexit would probably still prefer to honour the result of the first vote. May herself, for example. To me the idea of a second referendum still seems unlikely even with all the chaos happening currently.
>it was fine
People disagreed with her deal because it involved remaining in the single market and customs union for at least another 2 years (possibly indefinitely if no other partnership could be reached) to resolve the Ireland border issue. So we would still be pretty much in the EU while still also having to pay the £39 billion and without any right to vote on the laws they would still be applying to us. The whole reason people voted to leave in the first place was for more control over our laws and borders (especially with regards to immigration) which her deal isn't offering, hence the historic defeat in parliament.


Bernd 03/26/2019 (Tue) 16:55:54 [Preview] No.24054 del
>>24053
I meant it was fine for the EU.


Bernd 03/27/2019 (Wed) 02:04:48 [Preview] No.24063 del
>>24054
Yeah of course, but it's worth pointing out why it wasn't fine for pretty much everyone else. I guess the problem we're facing is like >>24016 posted where the choice is between either a shitty deal or no deal (or possibly a second referendum). But it's nothing new, democracy is always about picking the least shit option rather than the best one.


Bernd 03/27/2019 (Wed) 20:01:34 [Preview] No.24070 del
Politico pumped out a bunch of articles. To sum up: govt rejects a second referendum, Labour too, May gets more support for her solution, voices from EU changing their tune from urging for decision to "let's hear the opinion of those who want to revoke Article 50". Interesting.


Bernd 03/27/2019 (Wed) 20:29:57 [Preview] No.24071 del
But here's my opinion as Hungarian on Brexit.
For us a successful Brexit with a Britain that's doing all right will be the best outcome. Why? Because then we (and all the Eastern EU countries) would gain a leverage against Fronce and Germany and could hold leaving as a threat if centralization of the EU would rise or against any other chickenshit. It would be a sign that there is life outside EU, an alternative, a passable road. Without such, the more powerful EU members can boss around us.
And in case of a worst case scenario we could still leave the EU and would have partners other than Belorussia and Russia...
So any Hungarian who doesn't support Brexit is in fact working against our country and her sovereignty.


Bernd 03/28/2019 (Thu) 06:26:01 [Preview] No.24073 del
These days are about Brexit.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-uk-house-of-commons-no-majority-for-any-brexit-option/
Some curiosity there - for me at least. So they didn't agree on anything, so May's deal back on the table they'll vote on Monday. But the deadline is tomorrow, so the new deadline entered in effect? But then which one? April 12 or May 22 (haha, is this a joke on the British PM and Catch 22)? I also want to point it out that they didn't vote on a second referendum but a "confirmatory referendum on any Brexit deal" - the two seems quite different. While the first one would suggest to ask the people again if they want the Brexit or not, while the second is about the confirmation of the deal the Commons agrees on, this is what was Corbyn talked about. Do I misunderstand something? Nevertheless they rejected the cancellation of Brexit so there would be no vote referendum on this.
I think the DUP will give in and accept May's deal despite the backstop. I think they just want to play hard to get and elongate the courtship so they can say something that polish their image (and ego)-


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 06:28:08 [Preview] No.24091 del
Still Brexit, they need to accept the "Withdrawal Agreement" so they can leave (?) on 22 May.
https://www.politico.eu/article/house-of-commons-to-vote-on-withdrawal-agreement-friday/
My problem with this whole Brexit thing, that the media just muddles the water and even when they write such articles as "explained" than they just explain the latest buzzwords but leave out other important infos. For example why didn't they told beforehand that the Commons only have to accept this so called Withdrawal Agreement? Well I know, because they wanted to inflate the drama about accepting a deal until today.
All right I don't read constantly politics just try to inform myself so I can post something about a matter when it arises, so I might missed something. Maybe it was told two years ago somewhere I dunno.


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 08:23:32 [Preview] No.24092 del
>>24091
>Commons only have to accept this so called Withdrawal Agreement?
That's honestly the first I've heard of that. Politics is so cloaked!


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 13:43:42 [Preview] No.24097 del
>>24073
>But then which one? April 12 or May 22
May 22nd if May's deal goes through or April 12th if it doesn't. The vote is happening today I think.
sauce: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47663031


Bernd 03/29/2019 (Fri) 15:55:13 [Preview] No.24100 del
>>24092
Oh, turns out May's deal is called Withdrawal Agreement...

>>24097
If I remember right the article wrote something what implied the new deadline is in effect. I questioned that one.
Yeah they voted today not long ago I think, I searched for Live broadcast and they are interviewing MPs after the vote. They turned it down. And since they had to agree on a deal by today but they didn't now they have the deadline of April 12.
So they have two weeks to come up with something. But this also can be interpreted as agree on canceling Article 50. Tories very vocal about keep the Brexit going however.
They might will be able to force Labour to accept something because Labour don't want hard Brexit. Or do they? Hard Brexit would surely result a Tory downfall, and excellent opportunity to take over the governing. On the other hand it would be easy to blame them as the ones who didn't accept any deals.
But wait a minute. Originally they should have agreed on a deal for today so the Brexit could be realized. So if they had agreed on something - let's say on May's deal - why the fuck would have given the EU them an extension? Shouldn't the Brexit have gone on is this sentence grammatically correct as planned?

I'm seriously considering I'll only talk about Brexit again if it's really done. Never?


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 10:31:59 [Preview] No.24124 del
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What's up with Turkish elections?


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 15:40:35 [Preview] No.24130 del
>>24124
It's just local thing. People give a shit because they're bored and retarded.

Nothing significant will happen.


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Bolsonaro is on a state visit to Greatest Ally


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:06:50 [Preview] No.24139 del
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Ukraine has elections today. Main candidates are:

1. Zelenskiy - stand-up comedian, actor and media person who came up from nothing and everyone thought it is a joke.
2. Timoshenko. Good old beautiful Yulia again tries to become a president.
3. Poroshenko. You know this guy.
4. Other people who wouldn't be elected.

Funny, but Zelenskiy leads in the polls (~25%), and both others stay at 17%.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:08:09 [Preview] No.24140 del
Oh, I forgot that this thread has no obligatory election song.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:09:08 [Preview] No.24141 del
>>24130
Here local elections are important. They can indicate the changes in the support of the parties. Also local governments lead by the opposition will get less money from the govt.

>>24131
How's that help with the sludge turned out?

>>24139
Oh I wanted to ask about that too.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:33:57 [Preview] No.24144 del
>>24141
here erdoğan holds elections for lulz and shit.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 17:35:06 [Preview] No.24145 del
>>24141
>How's that help with the sludge turned out?
It was more symbolic than anything, they left after only a few days.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 18:52:19 [Preview] No.24148 del
Communist party got one city in this election. These elections are a fucking joke


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Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:25:28 [Preview] No.24155 del
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>>24139

Here is the results in realtime: https://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vp2019/wp300pt001f01=719.html

They only started calculation though.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:37:05 [Preview] No.24156 del
>>24155
>Zelenskiy
Who's behind him? Putin is hacking Ukrainian election?

>>24149
Kek.

>>24148
Is Turkey objectively that much dictatorship?

>>24145
So what did he do in Israel?


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:46:36 [Preview] No.24159 del
>>24156
>So what did he do in Israel?
He'll transfer the embassy open an office with no diplomatic personnel in Jerusalem for commercial and technological contacts. His intellectual and Protestant supporters wanted an embassy transfer but he backed down months ago after pressure from agrarians (who prioritize trade with Arab countries) and the military.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:53:08 [Preview] No.24163 del
>>24159
>commercial and technological contacts
After visiting Langley opening such obviously harmless places beyond suspicion is very suspicious.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:53:41 [Preview] No.24164 del
>>24163
*place


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 20:57:29 [Preview] No.24165 del
>>24163
As long as he can please Olavo de Carvalho and the Protestants without angering Arabs, it works.


Bernd 03/31/2019 (Sun) 21:39:35 [Preview] No.24166 del
>>24156
>Who's behind him? Putin is hacking Ukrainian election?

It's hard to say. He is going without proper team and real program, it is somewhat protest vote. His alignment is unclear, because he said different things through the campaign.

Russian media somewhat supports him, although he isn't "pro-russian" candidate like people from east Ukraine. Maybe this is situation like "look, they are so crazy so they'll elect the movie star, also look how they hate evil corrupt Poroshenko". In past Timoshenko was considered a Russian-friendly candidate though.

It looks like small version of Trump campaign, when media got mostly positive news about him and some official people openly cheered when he was elected (and then they discovered that he isn't pro-Russian at all, but it was too late).


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Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 13:11:30 [Preview] No.24177 del
>>24176
Oh dog now I even quoted the wrong post.
>>24174
I might be getting too old for this whole shitposting thing tbh lads.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 15:54:13 [Preview] No.24185 del
>>24166
Well time will tell then. He is a stand-up comedian maybe we'll witness some serious changes.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:03:47 [Preview] No.24189 del
Not an April fool's joke: Britain is still in the EU.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:41:13 [Preview] No.24192 del
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Meanwhile in Turkey. The province of Tunceli is now ruled by the Turkish Communist Party. Slavic, Goulash, German and Vietkong communism all failed, but Islamic communism is the way to go.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:50:48 [Preview] No.24193 del
>>24189
Laughed for some reason.

>>24192
Yes. It's in the thread: >>24148
Fun. Well many Islamic country was backed by the SU when the geopolitical situation demanded it. I wouldn't be surprised if the ideologists didn't created a version of Marxism just for Muslims, maybe they planted the seed and it survived. Or they just made up one by themselves.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 17:55:41 [Preview] No.24195 del
>>24193
makes me wonder if communism is the perfect model for Mongol tribes. Sharing horses, girls and spreading communism by conquering more territory.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:24:51 [Preview] No.24196 del
Just woke up, what's up with the Brexit votes in Commons?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:37:32 [Preview] No.24198 del
>>24196
They not yet finished.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:52:37 [Preview] No.24199 del
Well what are they doing?

The sky newsfeed states that Bercow has to announce the result...

Wouldn't that be kinda important to do?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 19:59:20 [Preview] No.24200 del
>>24199
They have liek ten days. So no hurry.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 20:01:28 [Preview] No.24201 del
It's an hour for the results.
Also British ugliness in it's nekkid glory is shown by protesters.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 20:58:18 [Preview] No.24202 del
Now Sky News broadcasts images of the zoo's of different European countries. Warsaw has albino penguin, Berlin polar bear, Paris white people.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:05:45 [Preview] No.24203 del
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH THE FUCKING BRITBONGS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:06:27 [Preview] No.24204 del
Rejected all four.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:07:06 [Preview] No.24206 del
>>24201
Just as God intended, homo sapiens in all his glory. But how the fuck did they get into the parliament building?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:10:20 [Preview] No.24207 del
>>24204
>Motion C: Customs union - Defeated by 276 to 273
pretty close defeat


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:11:15 [Preview] No.24208 del
Scots are threatening with exiting the Union.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:13:46 [Preview] No.24209 del
>>24207
Also no-deal rejected with 191 vs. 292. This one however is pretty big. It seems commons prefer closer ties with EU.
Now opposition hammers the customs union option.
But if they can't agree, than no deal.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:14:49 [Preview] No.24210 del
What's a good stream that isn't Sky?


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:16:46 [Preview] No.24211 del
>>24210
I dunno. I usually just search for Brexit live on youtube and pick one.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:19:12 [Preview] No.24212 del
>>24195
>makes me wonder if communism is the perfect model for Mongol tribes
No wonder it took over Russia.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:23:34 [Preview] No.24214 del
They are already blaming May while they aren't capable to reach a fucking compromise.

I thought our politics were stupid, but the British politics are absolutely retarded.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:28:42 [Preview] No.24216 del
>>24214
I don't think so. As previously said somewhere above, all MPs are thinking in internal politics, what will come after Brexit, who will govern and such. And there might be considerations in relation Brexit many MPs don't want to express straight. For example some while saying don't want no deal, they might obstruct any tries to accept customs union even it means the result will be no deal.


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:32:54 [Preview] No.24217 del
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That awkward moment when you want to bring up your shithole with some problem and everyone leaves


Bernd 04/01/2019 (Mon) 21:42:11 [Preview] No.24218 del
>>24210
BBC News or BBC One/Two if you can get it from your cable provider, as long as Andrew Neil is still commentator there and you don't watch the rest of the shows.
>>24212
praise the means of Tengri
>>24208
they do it all the time. It's like a dog who barks doesn't bite.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 15:06:40 [Preview] No.24224 del
>>24208
Didn't the EU already say they wouldn't let them join if they left the UK? I think Spain were worried about the idea because it would encourage Catalans to do the same.
>>24214
The worst part is that our incompetence is very much a good thing to the EU because it discourages other anti-EU countries from leaving. Of course that's if their governments would even give them a referendum in the first place, as we only had one thanks to a failed bid for power from the Conservatives.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 16:36:24 [Preview] No.24225 del
>>24224
>Didn't the EU already say they wouldn't let them join if they left the UK?
Nothing is carved in stone, and those with such opinion might don't matter in the future, who knows what it holds. I think for such prohibition at least the EP should vote.
>it discourages other anti-EU countries from leaving.
True. They can just point it out how they make the mighty UK choke on their dicks how would fare that puny X or Y country.

>>24217
What do you mean?

>>24218
>they do it all the time. It's like a dog who barks doesn't bite.
Probably they try to use it as leverage, ofc they won't do it as long as they get what they want. Or get something close to that, such is the way of compromising.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 17:49:11 [Preview] No.24227 del
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Oh god, just found out the Irish PM is a street shitter.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 19:45:49 [Preview] No.24231 del
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>>24227
It's all make sense now.
The more you know: there's no Ireland flag in the Ireland article of Wikipedia, even tho so far all the countries I checked (for example to grab exact colors for Polanball comics of WC2018) have that feature.


sage Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 20:00:11 [Preview] No.24232 del
>>24231
I have to correct myself. The Ireland article is about the island, it's the Republic of Ireland is about the contemporary state, and it has flag.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 22:41:07 [Preview] No.24233 del
The Israel visit is still spawning noisy but irrelevant headlines
>Bolsonaro prays at the Wailing Wall!
>Bolsonaro visits Holocaust museum!
>Bolsonaro says Nazism was leftwing!
>Bolsonaro visits an IDF unit, takes part in shooting practice and is praised for his aim!
>Bolsonaro's son tweets that he wants Hamas to explode!

Meanwhile, hundreds of billions of BRL on the national budget that could be saved within 10 years through pension reform are being lost as efforts to pass it through Congress are left without Bolsonaro's direct support and Congressmen sabotage the project.


Bernd 04/02/2019 (Tue) 22:45:22 [Preview] No.24234 del
Investor confidence is falling and economists predict stagnation will continue until 2020.


Bernd 04/03/2019 (Wed) 05:38:07 [Preview] No.24238 del
>>24233
Whom do those headlines make happy? I mean it needs to have some political capital to gain to worth writing them. I assume he visits greatest allies, USA, Israel this is for strengthening the relations. Going such headlines loud at home instead just publish a quite article of two... they really want to tell someone they are doing this.
All right I admit it is also god as a smokescreen, a show to look like they are doing something meanwhile they are sitting on their hands all day.


Bernd 04/03/2019 (Wed) 12:53:48 [Preview] No.24244 del
>>24227
Not only that but also he's a homosex.


Bernd 04/03/2019 (Wed) 13:53:34 [Preview] No.24251 del
>>24244
at least not retard like spanish king


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 09:40:35 [Preview] No.24292 del
Bye bye no-deal Brexit. Next stop, second referendum.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obrowkPYim8

ONE VOTE


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 09:57:42 [Preview] No.24293 del
Bye bye no-deal Brexit. Next stop, second referendum.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obrowkPYim8

ONE VOTE


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 10:02:02 [Preview] No.24294 del
Sorry, didn't mean to post twice.

Also: second referendum looms
http://archive.is/iAdXB


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 11:18:22 [Preview] No.24301 del
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>>24233
Did he apologize for the Brazilian deathcamps in Poland?


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 13:50:40 [Preview] No.24308 del
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>>24294
>tfw Nige isn't here to save us this time
It's all ogre now, lads.


Bernd 04/04/2019 (Thu) 15:36:44 [Preview] No.24314 del
>>24293
Is that decision binding? Because they voted down a no-deal brexit several (3? 4?) times now, but none of them led to mandatory result.

>>24294
I saw two different interpretation of a second referendum, but I can imagine a third one.
The first is when they would ask the people again if they want Brexit.
The second would be the people vote the deal the Commons agreed upon beforehand to confirm it if they want it.
The third one would be several questions, basically the list of possible options of the deal and two more questions: if they would accept no-deal, or if they see it desirable to cancel Article 50. Or something like this.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 00:22:31 [Preview] No.24617 del
Bolsonaro sacked Education Minister Vélez Rodriguez. Despite decades of experience as a professor, he proved unable to handle a ministerial team drawn from his own contacts, Olavo de Carvalho's acolytes and military officers. Very little was actually done under his tenure and he kept sacking subordinates and changing his mind about appointments. Rodriguez, along with foreign minister Araújo, was one of the Olavist faction's positions in the cabinet.
His replacement is Abraham Weintraub, a dark horse who wasn't cited among the potential picks (the minister's dismissal was expected for a week). When asked about his position on de Carvalho, Weintraub cryptically answered "I appreciate both classical and rock music".


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 00:27:32 [Preview] No.24618 del
Olavo's daughter now claims he was a Muslim in the past there's also a lot of talk about him being a former astrologer and involved in the occult and had three wives.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 00:34:21 [Preview] No.24619 del
>>24617
I dont like bolso for several reasons and this is just one of them

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-hVZIyD2DNk [Embed]


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 05:11:05 [Preview] No.24622 del
Ilaeri erections today is being herd. Will our governments continue to be bestest friends I wonder?
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 06:24:21 [Preview] No.24623 del
>>24622
I wonder how king Bibi manages to stay in power.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 13:23:04 [Preview] No.24625 del
I thought the mickey mouse english pounds would lower in value but alas it has not


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 16:57:43 [Preview] No.24627 del
>>24623
No better option. Still it's a coalition that governs.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 18:23:14 [Preview] No.24631 del
Surprisingly a plethora of parties are participating in the Israeli legislative election with real chance to acquire seats in the Knesset. Right now thirteen parties have members there, it is basically impossible for one party gaining 50% + 1 seat of the 120 available.
I would list these parties but all kinds of party alliances makes the thing a little confusing and I've no time now to solve this puzzle.
Bibi's party, he Likud is the biggest one, right now with the most seats. Their main opponent is Labor but during this election it seems a freshly formed party alliance, the centrist Blue and White party, pose the biggest threat, led by a certain Benjamin "Benny" Gantz, a former chief of staff and who enjoys the support of prominent military figures. Still, according an article's title on Haaretz's home page a coalition is possible between Bibi and Benny.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 18:48:05 [Preview] No.24635 del
>>24631
I read somewhere that the jews with the funny hair is becoming a majority

that should be interesting in the future


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 19:11:14 [Preview] No.24636 del
>>24635
Too few religious Jews for that.


Bernd 04/09/2019 (Tue) 21:54:48 [Preview] No.24646 del
>>24619
>Exploitation
I call it the natural -and completely unstoppable- expansion of civilization. You can cut down 90% of the Amazon and you'll still have gigantic expanses of untouched forest for every purpose you can think of, and all the land you've freed can be used to contribute to the rest of the world's prosperity and house human lives and social relations. My friends, the land I identify with, the books I read the culture I'm immersed in and my life itself with would never have existed at if not for the clearing of large tracts of the Atlantic rainforest which used to cover all the east coast, and the same will happen for the Amazon.
Yes, this expansion happens in a chaotic and unplanned way but pipe dreams of completely isolating a gigantic, empty space from human life are not the only alternative.


Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 05:48:16 [Preview] No.24653 del
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It seems Bibi's and Benny's parties won same amount of seats, 35 both.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/Gantz-beats-Netanyahu-with-largest-number-of-seats-coalition-unclear-586230
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-election/israels-netanyahu-secures-election-victory-israeli-tv-channels-idUSKCN1RL00K
Together with other right-wing parties Bibi can form a coalition with 65 seats secured all in all.
What I don't understand is that it seems the Blue and White was a member of the previous coalition, why didn't they joined arms?


Bernd 04/10/2019 (Wed) 15:58:41 [Preview] No.24666 del
>>24646
you think deforestation is something good?


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Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 15:11:12 [Preview] No.24724 del
>>24723
I'm starting to suspect the UK will never leave the EU. I'm bretty sure EUrocrats don't want you guys leave, it is bad for business - Germany can't export to UK anymore freely, the leave creates a precedent and others might wanna leave - so they will give all the extensions of the world as much as Britain needs to keep them in the EU.
I think the least likely outcome is no-deal Brexit. The most likely is extending the extensions and then next UK government can backpedal on the deal, and UK remains.


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 18:14:12 [Preview] No.24735 del
>>24724
As far as I'm aware no-deal Brexit is now an impossibility thanks to that recent vote that made it illegal under UK legislation. It seems we just have the choice between May's shitty deal or a second referendum.


Bernd 04/11/2019 (Thu) 18:20:51 [Preview] No.24737 del
Assange imprisoned, coup d'etat in Sudan and Brexit delayed. Quite an eventful day.


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Bernd 04/12/2019 (Fri) 17:02:11 [Preview] No.24790 del
Running on the European election with a party named after Brexit. Ebin.
https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-launches-brexit-party-no-more-mr-nice-guy/


Bernd 04/12/2019 (Fri) 23:17:02 [Preview] No.24803 del
News of the week is that Dias Toffoli, head of the Supreme Court, was one of the cryptic individuals referred to by codenames in Odebrecht emails. His codename was "my father's friend's friend". By contrast Lula's codename was simply "friend". Those codenames became notorious after it was revealed that Odebrecht had an entire department staffed for the sole purpose of handling its bribes and assigned codenames to the prominent figures it associated with. Low-ranking employess in the bribery department only knew the codenames and not the people behind them.
But this codename wasn't part of the main bribery scheme itself and was instead related to the construction of a dam. What exactly transpired in the dam's construction, Toffoli's role and whatever shady deal he made with Odebrecht are not yet known.


Bernd 04/13/2019 (Sat) 09:24:57 [Preview] No.24808 del
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General elections in Suomi tomorrow. Polls suggest Social-democrats to win before EbinFinns party.


Bernd 04/13/2019 (Sat) 11:58:36 [Preview] No.24810 del
>>24808
Yeah. Tight results expected, some polls say:
Social Democrats 19%
Finns 16,3%
National Coalition 15.9%
Center 14.5%
Others show different numbers to the latter three but the SDP has a sure lead. But the real question could it form government? Last time the last three was on government together, until the Finns left. Even with 20% the SDP would need bout 4 parties to join in since only the Green League can expect above 10% result and the others are way below of it. Maybe SDP could form a coalition with Center, it is the closest to them from the three.
The major issue is the health care reform.
Interestingly the Soc-Dems are campaigning with tax raise to back the expenditure of social services.


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 16:30:38 [Preview] No.24860 del
>>24810
final result is just a very close victory of the social democrats, they have just one seat more than the ebin finnish party.
Linus Torvalds (guy who made Linux) dad is in the EU parliament. The elections for EU parliament is in 6 weeks and it looks like Brits are going to vote for it too, as we have seen by the meme candidates that want to run for UKIP or Farage wanting to run for a new party.


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 17:18:25 [Preview] No.24862 del
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>>24860
Social Democrats: 17,7%
Finns: 17,5%
National Coalition: 17%
Center: 13,8%
Greens: 11,5%
Left Alliance: 8,2%
Swedish People's: 4,5%
Christian Democrats: 3,9%

That's it. The big loser is the Center, people clearly don't want them back.
Soc-Dems can form coalition with just about anyone but the Finns. Coincidentally the only party that against immigration is the Finns.


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 18:09:08 [Preview] No.24866 del
how come finnish elections is so important

it is a insignificant little country


Bernd 04/15/2019 (Mon) 18:27:13 [Preview] No.24868 del
>>24866
>it is a insignificant little country
Says Sweden...

It's customary here to cover elections all over the world. If anyone of us wants to write it. Everyone should present their own, but since we are so few with hueg gaps in nationality we discuss other nations too.
When something comes up in Sweded, feel free to give us some info.
In it's correct form we should write a who-is-who (parties, politicians) and upload maps to show relation between the results and geography, demographics etc. But that's not small undertaking.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 10:06:52 [Preview] No.24887 del
>>24862
Idk which party supports what aside from obvious ones.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 17:26:57 [Preview] No.24892 del
>>24887
Beside the obvious ones (Sod-Dems, Christ-Dems, Left, Greens) I dunno about the Swedes.
- Center = center-right (I guess economical liberal);
- National = center-right (conservative);
- Finns = right (radical or considered as such).
But will check, today I'd lotsa stuff to do and haven't even dined yet.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 17:48:04 [Preview] No.24894 del
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>>24887
Finns on not-kc said that Christian party is a hardcore burger tier evangelicals party.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 21:41:02 [Preview] No.24906 del
>>24803
Now another Supreme Court judge issued a gag order to the news site that broke this story, claiming that it's fake news and an attack on the institution. This backfired: his decision was severely criticized in the media and now everyone's talking about the story, which previously aroused only minor interest.


Bernd 04/16/2019 (Tue) 22:37:36 [Preview] No.24908 del
Search and seizure warrants have also been issued against the homes of several other individuals accused of spreading fake news against the Supreme Court. The Prosecutor General of the Republic opposes this measure and says it has no evidence and legal precedent, but the Court has chosen to ignore the Prosecutor General's complaints. Public opinion, the media, the Prosecutor General and some politicians (a Senator just proposed impeaching the judge) are against the Supreme Court, but it feels it has the power to do whatever it wants.


Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 17:17:38 [Preview] No.24920 del
>>24906
Maybe that was his intention all along.

>>24908
It's always nice when those are the greatest criminals who are the leading figures of law enforcement.


Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 18:13:15 [Preview] No.24923 del
It seems Erdogan lost both Ankara and Istanbul.

Meanwhile on the Hungary:
https://www.delmagyar.hu/szeged_hirek/fiatal_lanyok_kotottek_el_egy_menetrend_szerinti_buszt_sandorfalvan/2594552/?fbclid=IwAR1REAtLPQMHVcznZEaPeq6wYkzP9ltCawawqBUSfLWru_OvzLSRwG79fi8
Tl;dr in English:
Some drunk hos borrowed a bus when they went home from a party and found it empty while the driver took a piss. They drove around on the steppes for a few hours. They were caught when they returned the bus, the police already was there. They caused some minor dents when they hit a traffic sign or some such.


Bernd 04/17/2019 (Wed) 18:29:12 [Preview] No.24925 del
>>24923
>>24923
>They drove around on the steppes for a few hours

just hungary things


Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 01:37:57 [Preview] No.24927 del
One of Bolsonaro's sons arrived in Hungary and is set to meet Orbán. Later on he'll see Salvini.


Bernd 04/18/2019 (Thu) 05:10:09 [Preview] No.24930 del
>>24927
Yeah, the two countries knit the ties closer.
He talked with our foreign minister and they agreed they both don't like Soros and don't want migrants but respect Christianity very much. They accepted a common economical strategy to strengthen economical relations, agrotechnology, water management(?), pharma industry, and common research programs. Hungary gives 250 scholarships to Brazilian students, and support for the Benedictines to operate the Hungarian school for the Hungarian diaspora in Brazil.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 08:43:32 [Preview] No.24992 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qCM6Uq7CAnU [Embed]

The UK's Upcoming Porn Ban Explained - TLDR News


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 18:07:09 [Preview] No.25009 del
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Comedy gold.
https://www.politico.eu/article/comedian-volodymyr-zelenskiy-set-to-win-ukraine-presidential-vote-election-exit-poll/
>The national exit poll, which consisted of results from a number of polling agencies, showed Zelenskiy was projected to win 73.2 percent of the vote compared to Poroshenko’s 25.3 percent — a margin of nearly 48 percentage points.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 18:09:13 [Preview] No.25010 del
Urine elected a clown as their president. Slava Ukraine


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 18:13:41 [Preview] No.25011 del
>>25009
you beat me, hohils really voted for a puppet of a Jewish oligarch.
>Kolomoiskyi controls his business empire from Switzerland.
I take it back, he's a good lad.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 19:00:33 [Preview] No.25012 del
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>>25009
Sorry. Wrong pic.

>>25011
I wonder what Hoholbernds think about this.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 19:52:17 [Preview] No.25013 del
>>25012
they live in a society I guess. no more honk and joker memes please.


Bernd 04/21/2019 (Sun) 23:04:37 [Preview] No.25016 del
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>>25009
Some are blaming Rooster "meddling" for this


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 06:59:16 [Preview] No.25024 del
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>>25016
>that image


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 02:09:37 [Preview] No.25101 del
>>25092
they're hastily moving towards superpower status


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 07:56:01 [Preview] No.25112 del
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>>25101
first thing you need to be a superpower is railroads

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2qocQsqVNgI [Embed]


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 12:39:21 [Preview] No.25121 del
>>25112
and toilets


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 16:57:58 [Preview] No.25127 del
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>>25121
heh you haven't seen that map? india built toilets in the last few years


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:03:18 [Preview] No.25128 del
>>25127
Polan could have made serious bank on it but I'm pretty sure they were left out.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:12:16 [Preview] No.25131 del
>>25127
impressive
>>25128
maybe they can have a contract on maintenance


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 22:17:11 [Preview] No.25146 del
>>25121
You can always build toilets within wagons and railway stations.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 22:53:42 [Preview] No.25149 del
The Supreme Court of Justice (not the same thing as the Supreme Federal Court, which is usually referred to as the Supreme Court) judged Lula's condemnation. They accepted it but reduced the sentence, so he may get off to a lighter punishment instead of his current cell before the end of this year. If he doesn't get a new condemnation, that is, and he may very well gain another as he's under judgement on half a dozen other charges of corruption.

Meanwhile public financing of artists has been squeezed: the limit on how much could be requested for a project was lowered from R$ 60 million to just R$ 1 million. Museums and a few other institutions currently covered within public cultural funding are exempt from this change.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 05:31:42 [Preview] No.25220 del
>>25149
Every case of his is judged separately? We (usually?) unite the cases and give one sentence after the whole is weighed. Or maybe I misunderstood something.
Also from 60 to mere 1 is a giant reduction.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 09:48:09 [Preview] No.25224 del
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>>25146
dedicated toilet trains


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 16:05:39 [Preview] No.25241 del
Did your head of state bow down to our chink overlords and their chairman Poh today?
Switzerland
Yes


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 16:27:45 [Preview] No.25244 del
>>25241
his hairline is amazing for his age


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 16:28:29 [Preview] No.25245 del
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>>25241
>Chairman Pooh
Would vote.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 21:10:29 [Preview] No.25263 del
The Ministry of Education will transfer some funds from Humanities courses to STEM ones.


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:11:50 [Preview] No.25320 del
Socialists win the elections in Spain. The parliament stays fragmented as no side is able to form a stable government.
Socialists 29%
Conservatives 16.7%
Ciudadanos (European liberals, as in economy friendly) 15.8%
Podemos (leftist populists) 14.3%
Vox (right wing nationalists) 10.2%

Elections in Belgium and for the European parliament are next month. India is under way but takes a whole month.


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:32:29 [Preview] No.25323 del
>>25320
you would think spain would be more conservative since they had franco ruling that country for so long

I heard spain is very sjw and feminist


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:33:21 [Preview] No.25324 del
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>>25320
>Elections in Belgium
didnt they not have a goverment for like 4 years or something


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 05:28:25 [Preview] No.25335 del
>>25320
Wait. I wanted to follow this more closely. I missed it. Thanks for the update, mang.
I saw some article headlines on politico earlier which implied there's a conservative upsurge in Spain...


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 19:57:51 [Preview] No.25367 del
>>25335
Votes from conservative party went to right-wing and liberal citizens party. Commentators claimed that this was due to the many corruption scandals. I'm surprised that the issue of burry Franco somewhere else didn't backlash and the socialists won nevertheless. The backlash is in form of the votes for the right wing party Vox, but they didn't make up for the huge losses of the conservative party that is on an all time low now. Meanwhile moderate republicans gained more votes than Pigdemon's party in Catalunya and Socialists won Barcelona. I don't know much about the economy besides tourism and building unnecessary stuff and of course growing strawberries in January.


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 20:15:18 [Preview] No.25376 del
>>25367
They also have orange and gypsy musicians.
I wonder how Catalunya will be effected on the longer run.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 10:19:46 [Preview] No.26373 del
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>tfw just voted for Nige


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 12:43:33 [Preview] No.26377 del
>>26373
>tfw you have never voted in your life beacuse you are an anarchist


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 17:39:45 [Preview] No.26394 del
>>26373
I would too but I think one needs a legit address in the country where he wishes to cast his vote.
We'll vote on the 26th. I'm not sure I'll go.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:50:37 [Preview] No.26401 del
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>>26377
based and redpilled
>>26394
Just come and live at my house before 10pm tonight (no homo)
I was looking at the options you have on Wikipedia and it seems like mostly /pol/ and /leftypol/ tier meme parties from what I can see. Personally I would at least consider going just to submit a defaced ballot, but that's only because my polling station is only around a 2 minute walk from where I live.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:53:11 [Preview] No.26403 del
>>26394
I didn't vote, idk how things go in there but if you are not persuaded that there is a good party but only lesser evil, don't vote. This only justifies their behaviour.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 18:59:46 [Preview] No.26406 del
>>26394
you are british?


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:22:49 [Preview] No.26408 del
>>26401
I think I would need to register too first.

>>26403
I don't vote on Hungarian parliamentary elections, I consider the current system illegitimate, municipal elections would be different but the parties are the same. I have reservations against the European Union too, tho I acknowledge that here in Central Eastern Europe we would need something like this anyway. But we don't, just this pile of horse manure.
Ofc there's no party I would support with absolutely clear conscience, so that's there too.

>>26406
No. You can vote on any party of any country without being citizen, but local address and registration needed.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:38:14 [Preview] No.26409 del
>>26401
>I was looking at the options you have on Wikipedia and it seems like mostly /pol/ and /leftypol/ tier meme parties from what I can see.
Since I don't vote for communist (Munkáspárt = Worker's Party) the only one left is the Mi Hazánk (Our Homeland) but I have problems with that too (yeah they are /pol/-tier meme party). Maybe Jobbik but no. All the others I wouldn't take them into consideration, not for one moment.
There's the MKKP, the joke party, but it was more sympathetic when that dude did his actions alone just for the heck of it and not for political ambitions.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:40:14 [Preview] No.26410 del
>>26409
I thought you would vote for jobbik


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:50:22 [Preview] No.26411 del
>>26410
No. When I started my voting career I voted MIÉP. Jobbik took it's place on the palette but it always smelt bad. Maybe because of it's Fidesz origin, or because of the leading staff, or because of the kuruc.info, or because of all the people who wouldn't belong to that part of the political spectrum. I dunno.
Now I also don't agree with them getting all warmed together with the other opposing parties (socialists and liberals) during the last election. They lost face in the public eye with that move, no result to show and they didn't gain anything only their party got split. They should have remain independent from them, that way they would still have dignity. Well if we can talk about that in case of a political party.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 19:52:47 [Preview] No.26412 del
Brexit edition huh. Nice EU parliament vote you have there.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:24:28 [Preview] No.26418 del
>>26411
take the ted pill

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aTb0Rj_O6nw [Embed]


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 20:42:01 [Preview] No.26420 del
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>>26412
delet this


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:00:01 [Preview] No.26430 del
Swiss' are losing their guns atm. Apparently they vote on gun checks. RIP.


Bernd 05/23/2019 (Thu) 21:33:04 [Preview] No.26436 del
>>26430
As long as you aren't finished with the army, you get to keep your AR. New laws won't change this. So I still have an AR from the Swiss army at home. In Switzerland you go back to the army for 3 weeks every year until you have served the necessary days corresponding to your rank. If you want to keep it after you are finished with the army you have to go voluntarily to a second organised shooting next to the mandatory one and you need to apply for a gun permit. They will also turn off the automatic feature for those who want to keep it, so you can only shoot single shots. Easiest way to keep your gun is to join a shooting club, they exist in every village and you get to train with other people.
Swiss people voted in favor of the new law, so we can keep using the EU database for criminals and can send refugees back to Italy when their fingerprints were registered there first. I won't complain, 66% said yes and at least we get to vote on such referendums all the time.
I'm a pretty bad shooter, I hate cleaning my AR, so I won't keep it. But this reminds me that I still have to go to the shooting range next month to shoot the mandatory 20 shots on a 300 meter target.


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 06:58:16 [Preview] No.26456 del
>>26436
isnt the rifles plugged?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 10:01:24 [Preview] No.26463 del
May isn't even over yet, but May is gone
does this count as haiku or limerick?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 10:12:05 [Preview] No.26464 del
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>>26409
> Maybe Jobbik but no
you're probably indo-nigger scum sorry for your heritage problems


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 12:47:09 [Preview] No.26466 del
>>26464
maybe he is indo-nigger-jew


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 14:15:17 [Preview] No.26478 del
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>>26463
SOON™


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 14:32:25 [Preview] No.26479 del
>>26478
there is no chance that nigel will become prime minister

boris is the most likely candidate


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 15:30:41 [Preview] No.26482 del


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 21:36:46 [Preview] No.26537 del
REKT


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 22:00:06 [Preview] No.26540 del
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Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 01:32:03 [Preview] No.26546 del
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>>26537
Yeah, I don't think much will come out of it


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 15:49:48 [Preview] No.26619 del
nah deel brixt X--D


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 18:06:45 [Preview] No.26666 del
Here EU election turnout is quite high, 41,74% was at 18:30. It will be over 42. Compared to that in 2014 27,64% of the voters went.


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 18:24:06 [Preview] No.26668 del
>>26666 (checked)
Here it's slightly above 30% but it hasn't all been counted yet. That's still a record.
I myself didn't go vote.


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 18:32:12 [Preview] No.26669 del
>>26668
I missed out too.
I think EU elections are unpopular in Eastern EU.

According to an exit poll:
- Fidesz won 14 seats
- DK, MSZP (two "socialist") and Jobbik 2-2-2
- Momentum (young liberals) 1
- LMP, Mi Hazánk, MKKP didn't get enough for a seat.
But this still isn't the real result. Sounds plausible tho.


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 21:13:27 [Preview] No.26681 del
>>26669
So it seems our seats will be divided like this:
Fidesz 13
DK 4
Momentum 2
MSZP 1
Jobbik 1

Fidesz could mobilize well, the higher turnouts mostly from places that traditionally supports them.
LMP is the biggest loser of this election. They have a solid place in our parliament, but this means they're losing support. There were some losses in their leadership too, maybe people who preferred those guys stopped supporting the party. They also can't provide anything substantial to the people. What I heard today with half ear they try to push the environmentalism line, a green party and all that, but "fighting against climate change" is just too abstract for the people who care more about their day to day life.
The surprise is the DK. They are those spineless "socialists" who crashed the country back in 2006-2008. Some people (not even a few) are still capable of voting for them.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 05:48:20 [Preview] No.26688 del
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Europoon Parliamentary Elections results
The only question I see in the forming of the governing coalition: will the EPP and S&D make a deal? Our media suggested earlier Weber and Timmermans are starting to warm up to each other.
This "euroskeptic" label is such a bullshit. Fidesz and Orbán are 100% pro-EU, Jobbik and now Mi Hazánk are the euroskeptics (and I guess the Workers Party). It does seem they start to use this label to stigmatize those who don't want centralization, who don't want a United States of Europe.
Frankly it would be better if this construction would collapse. Come the Flood and end this farce.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 14:42:41 [Preview] No.26693 del
>>26688
>This "euroskeptic" label is such a bullshit.
This so much. PiS in Poland is also labeled this way.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 15:56:01 [Preview] No.26694 del
>>26693
These journalists ought to be more educated than the average people, they should know that if two opinions exist about how a thing should be done, it doesn't mean that one of these opinions is against the thing itself. For example if we look back to ancient Athens at the rivalry of Themistocles and Aristides we see how their opinion collides, but both kept in mind Athens' interest. Tho Themistocles got the chance to proved to be right, and he was, we can see that Aristides wasn't against Athens either. So do these journalists really think that those who oppose the centralization are really want to quit EU or dissolve it? This is how the common people think and those who try to inform them about the world should be above this level.
But this is how we can know that these journalists aren't there to make information available but to shape the opinion of those whom they can reach.


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 16:57:14 [Preview] No.26696 del
some observations from the elections:
liberals won the most new seats thanks to macaroni bringing them seats from frons, they can choose witch side they want to support
rightwing/populists/anti-EU parties didn't win as much as expected
British youtubers Sargon and Count Dankula miserably failed
Zoomers (young women in particular) love the Green party and generated some buzz against the Christian parties because of the upload filter
voter turnout was with 51% really high
in some places social-democrats are a marginal party now, in others they seem to recover and won the most votes in the Netherlands and Spain


Bernd 05/27/2019 (Mon) 17:16:46 [Preview] No.26697 del
>>26696
Yeah, liberals won big time, since green also liberal, just usually with some economically socialist ideas.
EPP is in a tight place now. They don't want join forces with "euroskeptics" but conservatives are way to few, they need the liberals and greens. If they really want to take away the sovereignty of the members state they better make a deal with socdems to gain 2/3. I dunno how significant that is in the EP but usually it is.
Switzerland got the best deal again...


Bernd 06/12/2019 (Wed) 16:58:51 [Preview] No.27163 del
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-conservatives-see-path-to-power-pressurizing-macron-and-liberals/
https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-would-support-merkel-for-commission-president/
Germs and Frenchies are wooing each other steadily but this courtship may take a while until they finally decide who gets what.


Bernd 06/21/2019 (Fri) 18:52:26 [Preview] No.27490 del
Daniel Tourinho Filho, head of the Christian Labor Party (PTC) in Rio de Janeiro, was found dead in his apartment today. His cause of death has not yet been made public. He was the son of the party's national president.


Bernd 06/22/2019 (Sat) 06:32:32 [Preview] No.27498 del
>>27490
Are real peso supremacists to blame for this extrajudicial killing?


Bernd 06/22/2019 (Sat) 07:06:20 [Preview] No.27499 del
i dont believe brexit will ever happen. its just there are people in deep with he government wont allow it to happen no matter what. and if people revolted they are ready to spill their blood.


Bernd 06/26/2019 (Wed) 05:27:18 [Preview] No.27589 del
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What's up with Istanbul?
https://www.politico.eu/article/5-takeaways-istanbul-mayor-election-ekrem-imamoglu-recep-tayyip-erdogan/
So basically they held an election where Erdogan's party lost, so they held a new one and were beaten even more but in the end it's fine?

>>27499
>i dont believe brexit will ever happen.
Yeah, I concur.
>its just there are people in deep with he government wont allow it to happen
I think basically more than half the MP's don't want it, and many lobbyist groups and the EU with politicians and power groups neither who can influence them one way or another.
People doesn't matter much, they don't even know what they want and can't really know. Maybe they'd do just fine outside the EU but media constantly preaches doom. And media what's the media said and the truth only can align by chance.
But even they have a result of a proper referendum the politicians managed to play around and spend the time with useless wankery. They can drag the issue on infinitely and the whole thing is moot.


Bernd 06/27/2019 (Thu) 10:51:47 [Preview] No.27613 del
>>27499
>and if people revolted
That would never happen anyway. People in this country complain about everything but are too lazy to actually do anything about it themselves. I think we actually secretly just enjoy complaining.


Bernd 06/27/2019 (Thu) 15:37:11 [Preview] No.27618 del
>>27613
Sames here. And I'm gonna go ahead and guess it's the same at most places.
I'm not sure if lazyness is the correct term, tho part of it. People have cozy enough lives that it's suitable for them and don't dare to risk it. It's enough to let them complain or joke about stuff it directs the amassed stress and discontent.
The sheep is sheared and fed too.


Bernd 06/27/2019 (Thu) 15:52:49 [Preview] No.27621 del
>>27618
Probably the first world at least, anyway. People are happy to give up on their ideals if they get some material gain out of it.


Bernd 06/28/2019 (Fri) 12:25:47 [Preview] No.27668 del
Bolsonaro met Megatron at the G20 summit in Osaka


Bernd 06/28/2019 (Fri) 15:12:08 [Preview] No.27671 del
>>27668
I don't wanna sound like a dick but noone can stop me but if you want to list everyone whom he met at G20 it will take a while.


Bernd 06/28/2019 (Fri) 21:14:48 [Preview] No.27691 del
>>27671
I'll list the names of everyone who was at the BBQ restaurant he ate on he didn't have a lot of fixed commitments upon arrival; one news site used this visit to claim he's "isolated".
Something relevant did happen: Mercosul has finally concluded a trade agreement with the European Union after 20 years of negotiation. European manufactured goods will flow in more easily and agricultural exports will increase. Some European farmers didn't like this. Macron threatened to obstruct the deal if Bolsonaro left the Paris climate agreement but he promised to stay and now the two have made peace.


Bernd 06/29/2019 (Sat) 20:43:21 [Preview] No.27720 del
>>27691
>agricultural exports will increase
I'm guessing sugar is one important item. Hungarian sugar industry had to be killed before joining the EU because it was in the way of westerners' interest, tho they don't produce much sugar themselves, everyone lieks it if it's made from cane and not beet. Few years ago there was some problems with Brazilian sugar, and Europe shat itself where we gonna find enough. We could have supplied if we still had it but we didn't. Oh well.
Anyways western farmers are subsidized heavily and their states hate competition, they want some return for all that moniz they throw at them. I guess they have to live with it for now it seems.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 00:15:55 [Preview] No.27721 del
I'm not keen on having to sit through another farcical U.S election.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 07:31:58 [Preview] No.27725 del
>>27721
Here it's comfier. I can just do ostrich politics and avoid the whole thing. These shit can only find it's way to me if I deliberately seek it out.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 08:49:17 [Preview] No.27726 del
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Trump is now the first American president to enter North Korean soil.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48814975


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 09:14:14 [Preview] No.27727 del
>>27726
>controversial nuclear programme
Kek.
>"complete denuclearisation" of the Korean peninsula but without clarifying what that meant.
It's an lexical mystery what could it mean.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 11:19:44 [Preview] No.27728 del
Snatched freshly from Kohl.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 16:07:43 [Preview] No.27735 del
Will Dolan get a Nobel Peace Prize for his unprecedented normalization of relations with the Kim domain? Oblong won one so it's not like the bar is set too high.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 16:46:17 [Preview] No.27736 del
>>27735
I wouldn't count on it.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 20:05:06 [Preview] No.27743 del
>>27735
He didn't start a war, he pussied out on Iran, there were several occasions where another president would have supported an intervention like in Venezuela. So the answer is clearly no, they will give it to Greta or that boat captain who brought more immigrants to Europe.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 20:51:31 [Preview] No.27745 del
>>27743
>they will give it to Greta
Oh god, that sounds very likely.


Bernd 06/30/2019 (Sun) 23:29:16 [Preview] No.27747 del
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>>27728
But did you snatch this one?


Bernd 07/01/2019 (Mon) 05:09:17 [Preview] No.27748 del
>>27747
I didn't.
Beside what's been said on imageboards (the couple of memes, especially that fake quote about killing the enemy) I know nothing about him - he is so irrelevant here - so I can't really judge, but based on this he is the creator of that situation, he was the one whose behaviour made others to lose respect. Such cases.
It would be good to know who was the one who greeted Bolsonaro from the other side, and how the scene played out in it's entirety. Maybe the whole picture isn't that unflattering than this cut out piece.


Bernd 07/02/2019 (Tue) 10:32:09 [Preview] No.27782 del
>>27726
Trump is looking pretty old there, is the presidential accelerated aging starting to kick in?


Bernd 07/02/2019 (Tue) 16:30:56 [Preview] No.27799 del
>>27747
Snatched from 8/int.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 00:17:22 [Preview] No.27810 del
>>27748
>>27799
Trudeau is not asking to be greeted but telling Bolsonaro to greet the man to his left. You can see he pokes Bolsonaro on the arm, who notes his presence, and then spreads his hand outwards as if introducing someone.
But it's more fun to interpret it as Trudeau being given the cold shoulder.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 05:07:15 [Preview] No.27812 del
>>27810
Yeah, and he speaks a few words as well.
The latter one still not the whole video, only a longer piece which still too short. We would need one which starts even earlier, the viewer has no idea how the situation developed.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 05:17:06 [Preview] No.27813 del
All right. This is what's happening after.
So those two still haven't met on that event, they didn't have the opportunity to greet each other. So Trudeau can't introduce someone else, he really was ignored over someone else.
Who sat on the left of Bolsonaro?


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 05:18:09 [Preview] No.27814 del
>>27813
Ehh. Ignore the silly thumbnail, I cut the rest of the video off of the part we're interested in.


Bernd 07/03/2019 (Wed) 16:14:34 [Preview] No.27817 del
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New President of the EU Parliament was elected today. It's some Italian dude whom noone heard about before - outside Italy, and frankly noone knows who those guys are in the EP... - and noone will after since it's a joke office. If I say Tajani, does this name ring a bell? I thought so.
Anyway this Sassoli guy is a social-democrat but supposedly an "ally to Berlusconi" and not a friend of Salvini.
https://www.politico.eu/article/david-sassoli-elected-european-parliament-president/
https://www.thelocal.it/20190703/who-is-david-sassoli-new-president-european-parliament


Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 06:27:25 [Preview] No.27866 del
Musing about how crappy must be to be a politician. Everywhere you go everyone wants something from you. If you're corrupt crook good for you, you can exploit people for your gain by promise everything and giving nothing (since you don't really have nothing to give, only empty promises, it is impossible to please/help everyone).
On the other hand if you're want to do an honest work... you're out of luck, you listen one people and try to help that one, suddenly 10 jumps up and demands the same or says what you do hurts others (them) or demand you to stop wasting the community's resources on one people, etc. So in the end you couldn't do anything just give empty promises.
What Bernd think of this?


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Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 10:06:10 [Preview] No.27868 del
>>27866
my grandfather worked with tanaka on 越山会 they were well liked by people because of that, even after tanaka got framed on false charges he was still well liked and won all the elections


Bernd 07/07/2019 (Sun) 19:08:48 [Preview] No.27871 del
>>27868
I meant more liek on personal level. Liek if you would be a member of the parliament, or a mayor or something and during your everyday life you meet people and many of them will only see the politician whom should resolve their quasi-personal problems (e.g. "there's a pothole right before my gate, fix it" - meanwhile there's a bunch of potholes all over; "the X event is too loud isn't there a way to make it quiter??!!" - meanwhile the event brings joy to many people, etc. etc.)


Bernd 07/08/2019 (Mon) 08:01:33 [Preview] No.27875 del
This board is just one pathetic gypsy talking to himself.


Bernd 07/08/2019 (Mon) 15:53:15 [Preview] No.27886 del
>>27875
Yes, it might seem to you you're talking to yourself but we just ignore you. Stop complaining.


Bernd 07/09/2019 (Tue) 18:27:26 [Preview] No.27917 del
>>27868
>my grandfather worked with tanaka on 越山会
Would that person be Kaku-san?

That's actually pretty cool. How was it like working for him?


Bernd 07/10/2019 (Wed) 03:10:37 [Preview] No.27932 del
>>27917
kakusan?
its etuzankai
he knew my grandfather from 民主自由党 and when he started the idea my grandfather helped him
he said the group was really good and helped see niigata see a level of improvement that hadnt existed since kenshin
>>27871
im not sure about that, i have family who were involved in politics but never noticed that


Bernd 07/22/2019 (Mon) 19:20:01 [Preview] No.28143 del
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Probably Bernd remembers how a "media personality", Volodymyr Zelensky, won the Ukrainian prez elections in spring. Past weekend was the parliamentary election, a snap one after the Prez dissolved the parliament in May because of reasons. Otherwise it would have been in October. I guess they thought they had to hit the iron as long as it's red hot.
And they were right. His party the "Servant of the People" (in Russian Ukrainian it's surely something liek the Blyads of the Sukas or something) had breddy gud result, in fact they won.
Servant of the People - 43%, new guys, the new prez's party, maybe liberal populist or something, since it seems the campaigned with the criticism of the previous government, they doesn't seem to offer one complete package of ideology just nice tunes like anti-corruption and such
Grove Street OG's Opposition platform - 4Life - 13%, also new guys, interesting name do they wanna be opposition only?, this is an alliance of smaller entities, they have social notions, apparently Eurosceptics and Russia friendly
Europeon Solidarity - 8%, Poroshenko's, they done goofed, conservatives
Fatherland - 8%, conservatives
Voice - 6%, liberals


Bernd 07/23/2019 (Tue) 22:19:49 [Preview] No.28172 del
>>28143
>servant of the people
these party names get sillier and sillier with every year


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 05:06:48 [Preview] No.28173 del
>>28143
No, but I remember that you are a gypsy.


cont. Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 05:19:47 [Preview] No.28176 del
>>28172
True dat. But at least in that particular case it faithfully reflects what the party represents: bullshit.

>>28173
I made your BONG your filthy gypsy. Feel free to comment.


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 11:47:46 [Preview] No.28180 del
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British Trump is now Prime Minister, as everyone expected.


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 13:52:10 [Preview] No.28182 del
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lel


Bernd 07/24/2019 (Wed) 16:22:31 [Preview] No.28186 del
>>28182
>Vacant
The editor of that page is one brilliant prankster.


Bernd 07/29/2019 (Mon) 08:07:15 [Preview] No.28332 del
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>>28143
>>28172
>Servant of the People
>these party names get sillier and sillier with every year

It isn't just a silly name. Zelensky was a comedy actor, and he has popular TV series about politics where he was a president. It was called "servant of the people": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People

Considering naming, phrase "servant of the people" (or "nation") is common in Russian (and Ukrainian), it means that "president/government official/deputy/etc is the servant of the people". Some sources say that this was from some Stalin speech about elections in 30s (actually, USSR had elections on almost every level, although most of them had single candidate).

It is often used comically in jokes about comparison what normal people have and what "servants of the people" have, because it is fun to see how "servants" have much more than those who they serve. Like people walking on streets and servants of the people driving luxury cars.


sage Bernd 07/29/2019 (Mon) 08:17:33 [Preview] No.28334 del
>>28332
Oh, the .org domain strikes again


Bernd 08/03/2019 (Sat) 05:46:08 [Preview] No.28406 del
>>28332
And Friedrich the Great said: I am the first servant of the state.
I vaguely remember something that Augustus' princeps title didn't just mean first citizen but had to implication of to be the first servant. Or maybe my memory is failing me and this thing was related to Napoleon I (and/or the French Revolution) or III.
I think a Bernd will know it what I'm think of and where I mistook.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 03:42:49 [Preview] No.28454 del
This week was a ride, really.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 05:24:41 [Preview] No.28457 del
>>28454
What happened. This week I really didn't follow politics.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 05:44:33 [Preview] No.28458 del
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Rees-Mogg is the new "leader of the House of Commons". Sounds fun.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-parliament-harassment-bullying-problem/
Saw some video he was at some uni having some chat with some profs and students and at the end the audience could ask some questions. Ofc they were all lefties what else and tried to burn him but he reversed the roles and trolled them hard. They were dumbasses so in itself that wasn't a feat, the impressive thing was that he kept calm, cool as a cucumber. Well, he is a politician.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:29:07 [Preview] No.28459 del
>>28457
Garlic bread festival shooting, the El Paso shooting (by a guy posting on 8chan again), and then the Dayton shooting.


sledgehammer Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:46:30 [Preview] No.28460 del
>>28458
Fat gypsy
DUN DUN


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:09:21 [Preview] No.28461 del
>>28459
That's a lot for a week. Are them just news or have political implications?


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:16:28 [Preview] No.28462 del
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49224816
>assault rifle with high-capacity magazines.
Well, as far as buzzwords go at least they didn't write "assault weapon".


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:20:38 [Preview] No.28463 del
>>28461
they have implications for imageboards, or at least for 8chan. Cloudflare terminated the contract with them, because 3 shooters published their manifestos on /pol/. It's Islam tier and kohl mods are too /pol/ friendly too. Amd I get to read about 8chan once again in Swiss newspapers.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:35:54 [Preview] No.28464 del
Well my home atm is down so I'll just come up here to say hi


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:47:53 [Preview] No.28466 del
>>28464
Hey, dude! Welcome to Downchan, enjoy your 500 errors.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:48:50 [Preview] No.28467 del
>>28466
the 500s should be reduced now with the new caching policy


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:53:10 [Preview] No.28468 del
>>28467
Doubt. Just now I couldn't post like for 5 mins.

>>28463
I'm sure sportschan is really behind it.
Swiss newspps are suspiciously well informed on the field of imageboards.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:54:19 [Preview] No.28469 del
>>28468
caching doesn't affect posting just loading threads


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 16:56:44 [Preview] No.28470 del
>>28469
for some context we're at about 50% more traffic than we usually get at this time of day


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 17:19:02 [Preview] No.28474 del
BTW, Danebernd here, in Holland.


Bernd 08/05/2019 (Mon) 17:49:01 [Preview] No.28477 del
>>28470
Let me guess, you are notJeff(Jeff).
Anyway. Until Odili doesn't fix the chan... I don't think any tinkering will help.

>>28474
Business or pleasure?


Bernd 08/06/2019 (Tue) 03:46:20 [Preview] No.28489 del
>>28477
"Pleasure", but don't think of that kind of pleasure, know what I mean.


Bernd 08/06/2019 (Tue) 15:37:25 [Preview] No.28495 del
>>28489
Yeah, I get it.


Bernd 08/12/2019 (Mon) 20:03:24 [Preview] No.28615 del
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Argentina has elections this year. Primary was held yesterday. If no Argie poster will add more info on who is who and what's what and what are the main issues, I'll make a little research this week. I know their economy can't find itself for a while now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/argentine-vote-to-show-strength-of-support-for-market-overhauls-11565533463?emailToken=8d1e9e8498d8c7017ab03c7672eb985aBCFLrpDEThV0Xn934zwLBCC/fIi+22t3/aZFjEzkSEHYZlETCo5DSpR9swiHN3y4f/M9vHvqYUC9cxQQI4TekeisHloYF3GRmm/FKRD+Vl+1J/WSWEkaB+9UpnkDKMnX&reflink=article_email_share


Bernd 08/12/2019 (Mon) 20:59:48 [Preview] No.28616 del
Bois,
seid ihr bereit für den Brexit
Gold geht auf 1800 rauf bis halloween


Bernd 08/12/2019 (Mon) 22:58:06 [Preview] No.28618 del
>>28615
Bad news. Pink Tide leadership was largely what got Argentina to its present state and if it returns there'll be more ideological division within Mercosul, poorer relations with Brazil and more international support for Maduro.


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 01:55:37 [Preview] No.28620 del
>>28618
>more international support for Maduro
That country is in really poor shape, if the hard left gets into power they really don't have anything else left to steal unless they start expropriating, not so sure the people there would tolerate that (maybe they will when you consider they are the country with the most taxes)


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 05:28:02 [Preview] No.28624 del
>>28616
Will Brexit happen at all?

>>28618
Another economical setback can be expected?


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 16:17:06 [Preview] No.28632 del
>will bregzit happen at all?
sure,
on the satanic holiday of halloween


Bernd 08/13/2019 (Tue) 21:59:42 [Preview] No.28641 del
>>28624
There won't be a large crisis unless they make some abrupt and major decision. The problem is that if they repeat what was done in Kirchner years (and Macri failed to reverse) there will be no cure for the malaise that left the country in its present state.


Bernd 08/14/2019 (Wed) 05:35:30 [Preview] No.28643 del
>>28641
What is the present state of Argentina? I know crises follow each other in the past few decades and I know that in the historical perspective Argentina was a promising country back in the day. But I have no precise knowledge on what's happening.
Also Argentina white.


Bernd 08/17/2019 (Sat) 03:17:57 [Preview] No.28694 del
>>28643
They were in a comfortable position at the beginning of the 20th century but then got outpaced by everyone else. The country went through the same phases as the rest of the continent -populist nationalism in the middle, juntas and then liberal reform, with a decay of uncompetitive industries built up in the previous two periods- but with a high overall level of political instability, nonstop coups and a tradition of populism. Nowadays despite its higher HDI and GDP per capita it's in some respects less developed than Brazil.
From what I heard of Kirchner at the time of her rule she had the usual populist approach to the country's usual high inflation and debt problems aswell as clashes with agribusiness and manipulation of economic data. At the time of her downfall there was already an acute crisis. Under Macri the situation looked promising for a while and then collapsed again.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 13:58:33 [Preview] No.28734 del
So Salvini got busted, what will happen next could be either very interesting or mundane.
Isn't democracy beautiful?


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 15:26:11 [Preview] No.28735 del
>>28734
As for now, nothing is decided. It's possible they can't form a coalition.
But I'm little out of the loop what led to the dissolution of the previous govt. It was the League and the 5star I remember.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 16:25:28 [Preview] No.28737 del
Boris Yeltsin gives parliament more holidays. That's all.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 17:13:07 [Preview] No.28739 del
>>28737
>Boris Yeltson


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>>28734
Hungarian media was screeching this morning how the Left has no backbone and you can't trust them.
They bet on Italy being on their side as a big country in EU issues and now it looks like they'll have to crawl back to the EPP.
German hegemony will continue, you're welcome.


Bernd 08/29/2019 (Thu) 19:16:04 [Preview] No.28747 del
>>28746
Not that Italy had much say in things. Salvini is only good for giving inspiration to the left-liberal media so they can write all those nice articles which is used to scare people with the boogeyman of fascism. Frankly this is the sole use of the populist European parties.


EU could declare no-deal Brexit a major natural disaster Bernd 09/02/2019 (Mon) 18:56:36 [Preview] No.28867 del
Anglo-Saxon existance declared calamity

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/eu-could-declare-no-deal-brexit-as-major-natural-disaster
https://archive.fo/kW0qr

EU could declare no-deal Brexit a major natural disaster

>Move would allow members to draw on emergency fund for floods, fires and earthquakes
>The EU is considering whether to categorise a no-deal Brexit as a major natural disaster akin to flooding, fires or earthquakes, a move that would release emergency funds to the member states most affected.
>The plan would allow EU officials to distribute cash from the bloc’s solidarity fund, set up in 2002 in response to that year’s severe weather. About €500m (£450m) can be accessed every year but unspent cash from the previous year is also available if required.


Bernd 09/02/2019 (Mon) 19:13:08 [Preview] No.28869 del
>>28867
>Anglo-Saxon existance declared calamity
Finally. Better late than never.
I think this fund will be safe. They'll just postpone Brexit permanently.


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Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 16:50:46 [Preview] No.28897 del
Watching 5 minutes of BBC suffices to laugh at the absolute state of the not so united kingdom. Top tier comedy.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 18:36:03 [Preview] No.28902 del
Austria preparing for parliamentary elections this month. This is a snap one, the governing coalition crumbled it seems just the same as in Italy, what's going on???. I dunno what do they expect, the last govt was a ÖVP-FPÖ coalition, judging by the polls the next one can only be another ÖVP-FPÖ coalition...
The usual short who-is-who:
ÖVP - Conservatives, if the FPÖ weren't they would be called Nazis.
SPÖ - Socies.
FPÖ - Literally Hitler. The usual right wing populist who gets the fascist label. I don't know too much about Austrian politics (I know this was Haider's party) but I would place them between the Fidesz and the Jobbik and the palette.
Die Grünen - Greens, liberal, because it's so trendy now.
NEOS - A fairly new liberal party. They managed to pick a colour for themselves which almost rivals the Deutsche Telekom's in ugliness.
JETZT - Newest party, also green but more on the left than the Grünen.
Several female leading politicians and chairwomen participating in this election, but I'm not impressed, they are too old and too... Austrian looking.

We're gonna have election too, in October, a municipal one. I expect wide Fidesz success. Budapest is the most important place ofc, not sure how that will play out, liberals and socialists are both strong there.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 18:37:03 [Preview] No.28903 del
>>28902
*Fidesz and the Jobbik on the palette.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 19:15:47 [Preview] No.28906 del
>>28902
Switzerland has regular elections in October, I'll make a post about it.
West-Australia-Hungary has snap elections, because FPÖ was stupid enough to get caught doing stupid things (Ibiza video). Kurz threw out Strache and literally Hitler Kickl. Kickl dindu nuffin, so FPÖ left the coalition and voted against Kurz as revenge, so he wasn't chancellor the last few months. That gave him more time to do campaigning. Compared to other rightwing populists the FPÖ are literally literal nazis, founded by ex-nazis, with the goal to rejoin Groß-Deutschland. Jetzt isn't a new party, just a rebrand of Liste Pilz. They made it into the parliament last elections as Liste Pilz. Pilz left the Green party because they didn't want him as candidate and he wasn't progressive enough. After a few months Pilz was me too'd as allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. Greens and NEOS are the only parties that aren't corrupt (they didn't had the chance yet as they were always in the opposition). Austria is pretty corrupt and centralized compared to Switzerland and Germany.


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 20:05:14 [Preview] No.28907 del
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Switzerland has a two chamber system. Each canton has a number of seats corresponding to its number of inhabitants in the national assembly and 2 seats in the council of states. Swiss electoral districts correspond to the Cantons. So center parties usually win the seats in small cantons for the national assembly and the 2 seats for the 2nd chamber. This doesn't correspond to the percentage each party gets, but that's how it works. This led to the situation that the national assembly was center-right and council of states was center-left. So the parliament looks for solutions that appeal to a majority with compromises, because it has to survive facultative referendums too.
SVP/UDC - the mother of successful rightwing populist in Europe, libertarian, anti-EU, pro-farmers, throws out every one who sympathizes with literal nazis of the party
SP/PS - Socialist, doesn't suffer from weakness from German sister party, as they found a new voter base in the big cities and people who work in the public sector
FDP/PLR - Liberals, the old lady of Swiss parties, neoliberal pro business policies, came under pressure because they didn't care enough about the environment
CVP/PDC - Catholics, party in the middle, so you can't make new laws without them, they fell out of fashion
Greens - progressive environmentalists, has a number of organic farmers in their ranks, so they get votes in the countryside too
Green-liberals - a spin-off of former Greens, because the party was too socialist for them, attracts voters in the middle, pro homo marriage
BDP/PBD - not going to bother explaining, they are going to vanish, they missed the opportunity to unite with the Catholics into a new middle party


Bernd 09/03/2019 (Tue) 22:08:09 [Preview] No.28908 del
they're going to have a new election
oh dog


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 00:20:39 [Preview] No.28909 del
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Meanwhile in Britain


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 01:08:40 [Preview] No.28911 del
>>28739
The other day my mother asked me about what was happening in the UK with the Russian man that was ruining everything. I was really confused until I realized that she thought Boris was Russian.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 05:32:44 [Preview] No.28913 del
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>>28911
Laughed out loud.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 05:34:39 [Preview] No.28914 del
>>28908
Those fuckers with their elections all the tiem.

>>28909
He is in alpha state so he can concentrate all his brain capacity on Brexit. I heard he is very smart so Britain's problem will be solved in no time.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 07:41:20 [Preview] No.28917 del
>>28914
Well he has also stated he would prefer migrants from outside the EU. Quite frankly, he's just a boomer. He'd love to kill the minimum wage and flood the country with cheap labour that sleep under the bridges or in camps.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=66gSYseg5jI [Embed]


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 08:08:58 [Preview] No.28918 del
>Hong Kong leader to meet key demand of protesters and kill bill

https://archive.fo/DUtVr
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests/hong-kong-leader-to-meet-key-demand-of-protesters-and-kill-bill-idUSKCN1VP05B

>Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam will announce on Wednesday the formal withdrawal of an extradition bill

is this the glasnost and perestroika of Communist China?
Are we seeing the end?


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 14:08:22 [Preview] No.28919 del


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 14:08:50 [Preview] No.28920 del
>>28918
i mean it feels more like Gorbachev = Drumph


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 17:37:09 [Preview] No.28922 del
>>28906
But who would be eligible coalition partner? With the numbers right now it very much seems like the FPÖ the only one for the ÖVP. Or the FPÖ only has problems with Kurz?
>FPÖ are literally literal nazis, founded by ex-nazis, with the goal to rejoin Groß-Deutschland
Wow. How's this allowed.
Btw thanks for the clarifications. I'm not sure what's going on over at the neighbours.


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 18:21:31 [Preview] No.28923 del
>>28918
I dunno the actual role of HK in China and their level of autonomy which they obviously have some if they can enact or retract such laws and China even needs extradition agreement to get criminals out of there. Maybe they can reach full autonomy if not independence in time. Anyway they approved the withdrawal of the bill so it's a sign of compliance, softening. Will protests rise in other parts of China in the future?

>>28917
What I know of British politics, I wouldn't be a British voter either... What's the right choice??? Man.

>>28907
What's the role of the council?


Bernd 09/04/2019 (Wed) 19:06:54 [Preview] No.28924 del
>>28918
>>28923
Hong Kong was promised full internal autonomy and the preservation of its institutions until 2047, it's a given that the mainland will assume total power at some point. However the CCP is hasty and wants to take over decades in advance. The local government is their puppet and implements Beijing's gradual takeover. However Beijing&the vassal government's latest move met a lot of resistance so they're taking a step back and waiting for the situation to cool down before they resume the takeover.


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 00:38:33 [Preview] No.29050 del
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pepe edit requested


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 11:08:25 [Preview] No.29059 del
100 years of the treaty of Saint Germain, which sealed the official end of the Austria-Hungary empire. De facto it was already dead, but this made it official on an international level. France was so busy getting their revenge against Germany, that they forgot to claim any reparations from Austria. It defined the new borders of Austria and made them recognize new funny states. Who knew that some shitty war between Austria and Russia would have such consequences. Hungary was dealt with a bit later in the treaty of Tri-anon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Saint-Germain-en-Laye_(1919)


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 13:31:40 [Preview] No.29060 del
>>29059
A blessed day.


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 15:35:07 [Preview] No.29061 del
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>>29050
We're gonna need more info on what you want. What you really really want.

>>29059
>the negotiators on the Allied side, particularly Wilson, did not understand when speaking of self-determination that no convenient line could be drawn to separate intermingled nationalities


Bernd 09/10/2019 (Tue) 16:43:32 [Preview] No.29062 del


Bernd 09/11/2019 (Wed) 19:06:58 [Preview] No.29075 del
>>28918
Protesters are criminals, wanting autonomy and/or independence is colonialism, China is freedom. Proofs:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468508-hong-kong-protests-violent/


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 05:38:29 [Preview] No.29080 del
why is it so fat though


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 05:43:09 [Preview] No.29082 del
>>29080
Because:
1. It got fat on Jewgold
2. It got fat on the sweat of Eastern Euros.
3. It looks like a five pointed star. It only needs a little red.


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 21:50:57 [Preview] No.29083 del
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>>29080
>why is it so fat though

American influence, consequences of WW2.


Bernd 09/12/2019 (Thu) 22:03:08 [Preview] No.29085 del
>>29080
Now that the eagle is pacifistic it never flies and just stays on its cage eating all day.

>>29075
>“Liberate from whom?” I asked a cluster of protesters, all of them in ninja outfits, metal bars in their hands, black scarves covering their faces.
Very deep question from a country that specializes in liberation.


Bernd 09/13/2019 (Fri) 05:25:58 [Preview] No.29087 del
>>29083
Noice.

>>29085
Gilded cage.
>Very deep question from a country that specializes in liberation.
Yes, they know all the nooks of liberation. So precise inquiries are expected.


Bernd 09/13/2019 (Fri) 11:03:42 [Preview] No.29091 del
>>29075
Isn't china benefitting hong kong already with massive sea trade? I know hong kong was a colony so much anti imperialism mene fits that but it doesnt seem like a very pragmatic decision.


Bernd 09/13/2019 (Fri) 14:21:12 [Preview] No.29093 del
>>29091
They most likely benefit from Hong Kong yes. This would make them want to keep that city at a cost that would still allow them to rack up profit. However giving after giving full autonomy the next demand would be independence. It always is, look at Catalonia. What's up with Pigmond there btw? Is he in jail?
I think protesters look at democracies for support, they don't want to be a colony again or something, but in our day an age, that's very unlikely scenario.


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Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 02:53:48 [Preview] No.29157 del
le dab


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 08:31:07 [Preview] No.29160 del
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Richard Matthew "the rms" Stollman resigned from Free Software foundation (and from some MIT lab too) because modern thought police found him discussing some MIT scientist in Epstein scandal. With multiple taken out of context quotes (although he always was pretty radical and asocial in his discussions anyway).

Such win for diversity, inclusion and freedom.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20990583
https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation)


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 08:38:42 [Preview] No.29161 del
>>29160
Yeah the modern thing is to leave people with only binary choices. He seems rather liberal/libertarian to me where he doesn't want corporations dictating behavior and of course he's very autistic.
God forbid a man have such an opinion. Ultimately the age of consent and adulthood are really pretty arbitrary but in a modern society things are more or less necessary for various reasons. This cancel culture shit is getting a bit ridiculous at this point because they're literally eating their own more and more.


SAGE Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 08:40:14 [Preview] No.29162 del
>>29160
>Stollman

Stallman, of course


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 15:51:28 [Preview] No.29163 del
>>29162
Richard "Neverin" Stallman you mean.

>>29160
He's a liberal socialist. I think this term describes well those people in America, who are called liberals and bushing equality agenda besides freedom (and a bunch of them in very radical fashion). It seems to me the same people pressured him to leave whom he spent his life to help with his FSF and GNU and such.
I don't get it these SJW people, why they care if one fucks a 17 yo grill? I'd assume they all for things as lowering age of consent and such. They should celebrate it instead. It's not even pedophilia. So I should assume not even liberal socialists pushing him out but the liberal conservatives (yes that's a thing now, liberalism != progressivism)?

>>29160
Judging by that he doesn't leave just resigns as a president. I dunno if he wrote a line of code these days or just traveled and popularized his ideas


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 20:11:04 [Preview] No.29166 del
>>29163
>liberal socialists
>liberal conservatives
Both are totalitarian oppressive social formations disguised in liberty clothes.


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 20:34:02 [Preview] No.29167 del
>>29166
Well everyone is. It's inherent nature of every political group of trying to expropriate the exclusive right for making decisions. So saying they're authoritarian, means nothing.
But we should make it clear what we are talking about because I sense you are somewhat confused what's what. For me it's a little gnawed to the bone and our regulars here probably also get bored by me always saying the same thing, but there's always a confused newcomer.

So.
Let's ignore left-right dichotomy for now, but let's take a look at the conservative-progressive one. Because the antithesis of conservative is not liberal, but progressive. Conservatives stick to the usual norms, progressives are looking at new possibilities.
Liberalism, socialism and nationalism are the three big main political ideologies which emerged during the so called age of enlightenment. At that time when the norm was feudal society, economy, and Christian Universalism, they were the bearer of progressive ideas. Noteworthy: these three ideologies aren't mutually exclusive, frankly they work best together.
Sadly nationalism was dropped after 1945 and the world was divided into liberal and a socialist camps. Then the biggest proponent of socialism collapsed and many converted to liberalism. Nationalism became a fringe ideology.
If we take a look at the United States we see two liberal parties competing with each other. Yes. Both Democrats and Republicans are liberals. They were during the Cold War, they are now. Except one supports a more classical from of liberalism, the other as a progressive line they took socialist phrases into their ideological toolset. This makes one side liberal (conservative), the other liberal socialist (progressive).
The end.


Bernd 09/17/2019 (Tue) 21:09:11 [Preview] No.29168 del
>>29163
>He's a liberal socialist. I think this term describes well those people in America, who are called liberals and bushing equality agenda besides freedom (and a bunch of them in very radical fashion). It seems to me the same people pressured him to leave whom he spent his life to help with his FSF and GNU and such.

He is more like old-school hippie/commie combination, and his equality agenda is pretty plain and soft compared to modern internet abominations. Of course he is "close" to that movement ideologically, but he was more solid and rational in his views. At least he didn't propagate diversity for the sake of diversity and other #killdawhitey thing. And even had some classic hacker-male style with nerdish jokes and social ineptness, not like modern hipster-like bearded monkeys.

>I don't get it these SJW people, why they care if one fucks a 17 yo grill?

Shitstorm started not with age of consent thing, but rape thing. Stallman autistically analyzed situation with Minsky (that MIT guy), pointing that he may not know that these women were forced to do something and be underage. Most of discussion in media is taken out of context, although he openly presented libertarian views about topic in past (i.e. if two people want it, it is ok). They actually started to point at his old views when readers noticed that context thing.

>I dunno if he wrote a line of code these days or just traveled and popularized his ideas

He didn't do anything serious code-related for years. Emacs and GCC are maintained by other people, most of GNU tools are small and unnoticeable now (maybe except coreutils, but hey), and FSF positions are pretty shaky nowadays. Software world is slowly moved to corporation-sponsored "Open source" instead of classic Stallman's "Free software", GPL is going down and BSD/MIT licensing is growing. Most of large projects already made by large entities, and people stopped care about software freedoms (in Stallman terms) at all. This is offtopic discussion though.

I'm understanding Stallman's position, he could tell critics to fuck off, but in 2019 it is not allowed, when half of software-related userbase are SJWs, and other half are afraid to talk. Going into opposition means marginalizing FSF even more, and FSF is a "magnum opus" for Stallman, so he decided to resigns to save it. His left-leaning views are also influenced this decision, because it is hard to push back when you are attacked from "own" side.

Although we already have conspiracy here: http://techrights.org/2019/09/15/media-attention-has-been-shifted/


Bernd 09/19/2019 (Thu) 05:28:59 [Preview] No.29181 del
>>29168
the sjws adopted stallman as a hero because linux and it's related products were attractive to the anti-corporate crowd back in the days when computer operating systems were making a lot of money and microsoft was "big evil".


Bernd 09/19/2019 (Thu) 15:36:37 [Preview] No.29186 del
>>29168
That clarifies a lot. Thanks.


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the EU abides


Bernd 10/12/2019 (Sat) 09:28:07 [Preview] No.30326 del
al bumpo


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 08:14:55 [Preview] No.30377 del
We're having local elections today. We're voting for mayors and assembly members of each localities with the right of having a council or such self-governing bodies.
For the big picture going through the parties doesn't really matter, it's the Fidesz-KDNP against the opposition parties who tend to form unified front behind local candidates and ask their voters to support that one.
The opposition parties are include the socialists, liberals and the Jobbik. The Mi Hazánk Mozgalom (Our Homeland Movement) - which was founded by those radical members of the Jobbik who left the party - is generally against this collaboration and offers it's own candidates.
Other then these usually one or more independent candidates were campaigning, I think they often got the label as being Fidesz tools to divide the opposition.
Each of the local situations is way more colorful than this.
There are places where there's no real contestant against the mayor who "rules" since forever - this can be from any parties, usually in small settlements where everyone knows everybody, and they know the candidates like bad money.
I know at least one place where there's only two runner up for the mayorship. One from the Fidesz and one from the KDNP. The piquanterie of the situation is that the Fidesz-KDNP is basically one party masquerading as two.

Ofc Budapest is the most important of all places and an exciting one because the Fidesz is traditionally kinda weak there, it was always a liberal stronghold (the only one in the country) with patches of strong socialist support. I don't follow the thing that much but I'm confident the Fidesz will win there, that is the position of the Mayor of Budapest. The 23 boroughs all have their local mayors and many will be from the opposition.

My impression of the campaign (what reached me of it anyway) is that it was the most disgusting I've ever seen. Negative campaign with all kinds of shit flung over the place with the parties outbidding each other with promise of monetary support and shit like that. Demonization of candidates left and right. Blackmailing the voters by denying support and money from the Fidesz government if they elect opposition mayors and assemblies. Etc. etc.
Tho it seems they managed to mobilize voters, I just read in the news that the turnout is quite high for now.
I won't vote, despite my usual reason that I don't consider the regime and the system legitimate, this whole campaign started to turning me into a violent extremist. I'm glad it's over. Now comes the usual propaganda but for that I've the routine to shrug it off.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 10:20:51 [Preview] No.30378 del
>>30377
>My impression of the campaign (what reached me of it anyway) is that it was the most disgusting I've ever seen. Negative campaign with all kinds of shit flung over the place with the parties outbidding each other with promise of monetary support and shit like that. Demonization of candidates left and right. Blackmailing the voters by denying support and money from the Fidesz government if they elect opposition mayors and assemblies. Etc. etc.
It even made it to the newspaper here, like the story of the Fidesz mayor of Györ fucking a prostitute during an orgy on a luxury yacht. Pretty hot stuff. Analysis was that Fidesz tries to fling dirt too to keep the normal and undecided voters at home, while their own voters go to the polling stations. They criticized the Green candidate for the mayor office of Budapest too, that he can't do shit against the socialist corruption in his city district, because he's depends on them.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 10:23:33 [Preview] No.30379 del
Today are Polish elections in Poland too. Next week are general elections in Canada and Switzerland, stay tuned.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 10:30:58 [Preview] No.30380 del
>>30379
Yeah, BO said something in the news thread.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 10:45:29 [Preview] No.30381 del
>>30378
Yeah, there was something about a sex tape or something. But maybe that was another case, not sure, it's a blur.
The liberals/greens are the next generation of them, only maybe the backing organizations, financiers, lobby groups behind them the same as was with the previous lib party, the SZDSZ. There are some overlapping in the staff, or the son of an older party member and some such, but way less luggage from the past governments from 2002-2010 (and 1994-98). However the socialists run people at the front who were the main generators of corruption and failure, most notably Gyurcsány, the ex-PM. And ofc all the cadre is the same with little rejuvenation. They are known thieves, except noone wants to put them behind bars.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 12:52:27 [Preview] No.30382 del
>>30377
>Ofc Budapest is the most important of all places and an exciting one because the Fidesz is traditionally kinda weak there, it was always a liberal stronghold (the only one in the country)
In Poland big cities are like that or are becoming like that. Thankfully for local elections in my town not only such ideologies are not really propagated, but also the candidates are more likely to resign from their party career (regardless of which side they are coming from) and work together towards what's best for the local community.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 14:23:14 [Preview] No.30384 del
Now let me present the situation in the polish parliamentary elections.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xVDur6QA2OM [Embed]
In Sejm, which is the lower house of the parliament (and the most important tbh), there are 460 seats. The other one is Senat and has 100 seats. In order for a party to get a seat they need to acquire at least 5% of total votes.

The candidate parties are as follows:

Polskie Stronnictwo Ludowe (PSL, Polish People's Party). They were traditionally seen as a an agrarian party and had strong support from rural areas. Their history dates back to pre World War 2 era. At some point they were deleted by the gommies but came back in 1990. Their modern history is that no matter who is in the power, they will want to form a coalition and get some of the lucrative offices. Some people call them political whores because of that fact. others also accuse them of working like mafia, nepotism and corruption. I think they lost a lot of their rural voters for PiS over time. In polls they get around 8% of votes.

Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (PiS, Law and Justice). It's presented as right-wing christian conservative party. They are currently the party that is in power. The current president is also from this party. PiS is led by Jarosław Kaczyński, who is said to be the stronk political leader and maybe a dictator even, but he also generously decided to not become prime minister when they won the elections last time and pretend to be just another dude in the Sejm. Despite being branded as right-wing, they have also introduced quite a lot of solutions that could be seen as socialist. Examples are: monthly benefits for families with children, benefits for children starting school, benefits for pensioners. They are also currently promising to raise minimal wage to 4000PLN in 2023. For comparison, in 2017 minimal wage was 2000PLN. Apparently it would be the biggest rise in any country that ever existed and some experts alarm it's going to be very bad. Some also fear that this is a promise they will most likely fulfill.
Apart from that they also introduced, or are promising to introduce fore free market solutions. So far they made a cut tax for young working people, and something for small entrepreneurs too. As a 27 year old childless and wifeless worker I have so far missed all of their benefits.
They have traditionally been seen as christian and ally of the Catholic Church in Poland. However there has been small but nevertheless growing dissatisfaction with them from christian societies because of lack of any significant work in regards of abortion and increasing homozegs propaganda.
Polls give them ~45% of votes and basically everyone accepts that they are going to win. The real question I see in current situation is whether they will acquire the majority of parliament seats or not.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 14:23:37 [Preview] No.30385 del
>>30384
Konfederacja Wolność i Niepodległość (Confederation Freedom and Independence). It's a mix of various right-wing organizations who firstly decided to go together as one party on the last europarliament elections (they failed though). They are mostly composed of three groups.
First is Janusz Korwin-Mikke and his pals who are very pro free-market. He is quite a meme and some of you might recall him as he had some controversial speeches in euro parliament when he was deputy there few years ago.
Another group is National Movement. I don't recall them having very pro free market opinions, but also nothing in opposition to that, but what do they have in common for sure with Korwin is their dislike for current state of EU. They're mostly famous for organizing big yearly rally in Poland for Independence day which gathers more attendants that the official gobernment rally on that day, which is also a big source of yearly leftist and liberal butthurt. They are also our designated nadsis of polish politics.
Third group is basically just a single guy, Grzegorz Braun. I have no idea if his "group" consists of other people, never seen anyone who would declare such thing. He's an independent film producer, he was also a president candidate few years ago. How he gained popularity is a mistery to me. He have stronk pro-catholic views but also share many free-market opinions with Korwin and of course euro-skepticism too.
Despite being branded as right wing party, they're not in good terms with PiS.
Polls give them 7% but tbh there's real danger that they wont actually get into parliament.

Koalicja Obywatelska (KO, Civic Coalition).
As the name suggest it's a coalition consisted of few parties but it's the two biggest that are the most important.
First one is Platforma Obywatelska (PO, Civic platform). Current President of European Council, Donald Tusk (pbuh) comes from this party. However since he left for his EU office the party was basically in decline. This party is our designated pro-european and libtards people but more centre-right kind of closeted faggots as opposed to open faggots from SLD. In the past they had majority in parliament and ruled for 8 years but they also got bad opinon as thiefs, people who care only for moneys that comes from the position, broken promises, corruption in gobernment and sucking eu dick too hard. Apparently more left oriented people also were dissapointed with them at some point.
Second group is Nowoczesna (Modern). Basically same as above but with much much more focus on economy and with different people.
They have also some left-wing parties in this coalition but honestly I know pretty much nothing about them so I cannot comment.
Also I cannot comment much more about the first two groups tbh. I don't think they did much in recent years other then being in opposition and only sharing their butthurt publicly about PiS decisions.
Polls give them around 25% and they will surely be the main opposition force in the new parliament.

There are few other smaller parties but tbh I don't think they are worth mentioning right now, unless they somehow get into parliament (the polls don't really give anyone a chance except for those 5 I mentioned).


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 14:27:30 [Preview] No.30386 del
>>30385
whoops, looks like I accidentaly info about the 3rd group, SLD, haha
eh I'll try to make it quick, they are our designated post-commies, SLD itself isn't too loud about pro-gay or pro-feminist stuff but they candidate together with more radical left-wing parties
also they used to have majority in parliament in early 2000s but in last elections they failed to get a single seat
in polls they get around 13% I think


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 14:35:04 [Preview] No.30387 del
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>>30385
>First is Janusz Korwin-Mikke and his pals who are very pro free-market. He is quite a meme.
yes, he is.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 17:58:01 [Preview] No.30388 del
>>30384
>460 + 100 seats
Sounds like a lot. But then we had 368 for only 10 mil people (now it's 199).
So PiS will win but probably need one coalition partner which might be the PSL and the Konfederacja has a slim chance for it too. If they really need one that would be unfortunate for the PiS because a much smaller party can blackmail them into adopting policies.

>>30385
>Janusz Korwin-Mikke
>you might recall him
I can. Tho I don't remember much, was posted on KC main a few times.
>Grzegorz Braun
Kek. How prosaic. I expected something tongue twisting and breaking after the Grzegorz. And I get a very simple German surname.

All in all sounds like Hungarian palette. Little less greener.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 18:06:45 [Preview] No.30389 del
Turnover here will be close to 50%. In Budapest probably higher.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 18:44:05 [Preview] No.30390 del
>>30388
>>30388
>Sounds like a lot. But then we had 368 for only 10 mil people (now it's 199).
One of the Korwin's idea he has been talking about since forever is to reduce the seats and get rid of Senat as it is a redundant office.
>So PiS will win but probably need one coalition partner
In some other elections Korwin also said this is what he is counting for. He has once said that maybe there would be 10% of population who would be willing to vote for his party and his ideas, but in a proper distribution of seats in parliament he could get some of his reforms in exchange for votes in different matters.

>All in all sounds like Hungarian palette.
Yeah I noticed similarities when you were talking about Hungarian politics some time ago.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 18:45:49 [Preview] No.30391 del
>>30390
btw at 17 we had 46% turnover
voting ends in 15 minutes from now


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:04:48 [Preview] No.30392 del
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In the capital the candidate of the opposition will win. With a considerable amount. I think I'll check the county seats tomorrow. Two is sure opposition (one is socialist).


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:16:36 [Preview] No.30394 del
>>30391
Exit polls for Sejm
Prawo i Sprawiedliwość - 43,6%
Koalicja Obywatelska - 27,4%
SLD - 11,9%
PSL - 9,6%
Konfederacja - 6,4%
PiS most likely gets majority of seats. German minority gets one seat but it's guaranteed by law.
Official results should be tomorrow morning.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:17:58 [Preview] No.30395 del
>>30394
Also turnout on exit polls was 61,1%, this is very high for polish standards.


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:22:17 [Preview] No.30396 del
>>30394
>Konfederacja
so Korwin actually did it this time


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:29:59 [Preview] No.30397 del
>>30396
let's wait with them for the official morning tbh, on last elections they also got similar results on exit polls but later turned out that they failed to go above 5%


Bernd 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:35:30 [Preview] No.30398 del
>>30397
>official morning
I meant official results in the morning
Im tired lol


Bernd 10/14/2019 (Mon) 16:50:54 [Preview] No.30450 del
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Official results

Turnout 61,16%

Sejm:
PiS 43,76%
KO 27,24
SLD 12,52%
PSL 8,58%
Konfederacja 6,79%
Mniejszość Niemiecka (German minority) 0,18%

Senat:
PiS 44,71%
KO 35,46%
SLD 5,74%

>>30396
Korwin in parliament for sure now. This is going to be interesting.


Bernd 10/14/2019 (Mon) 18:53:18 [Preview] No.30454 del
>>30450
>Turnout 61,16%
That's breddy gud.

How's the seat distribution?


Bernd 10/14/2019 (Mon) 19:12:33 [Preview] No.30455 del
>Action of Disappointed Retirees and Pensioners
There's something comical about this.


Bernd 10/14/2019 (Mon) 20:07:10 [Preview] No.30456 del
>>30454
They weren't available when I was posting but they are now.

Sejm:
PiS 235 (that means majority)
KO 134
SLD 49
PSL 30
Konfederacja 11
German Minority 1

Senat:
PiS 48
KO 43
PSL 3
SLD 2

There are 4 mandates distributed among some other people who I have no idea who they are and how did they get it while having very small percentages of total votes. I guess they must have very high results in their local district. Anyway we have 48 PiS, and if the other parties gather together against them they get 48 also, so those 4 independent senators will have decisive vote.


Bernd 10/19/2019 (Sat) 06:17:18 [Preview] No.30638 del
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Elections happen next week where I live and I've been doing my best to avoid the topic, but I feel like casey may see the content interesting.
In the establishment candidates we got the previous president who has been guilty of corruption, who is mostly remembered as being associated with the peronist movement. This is contradictory to what her political party, "Front for everyone" (Frente para Tod☀️s), previously "Victory Front" (Frente para la Victoria) has been doing for the previous mandate of 12 years. On her and her husbands hand the welfare state merely increased, border regulation was an issue that was never touched, and placed taxes on foreign goods to benefit the local industry, which made exporting quality products hard and capitalist competition non-existent.
On the other hand we have the current president and candidate of the "Pro" party, who is being given as the alternative, despite most of his economic and political manouvers being the same. The welfare state didn't decrease under him, some things got privatized, but the big issue is that the currency under his government has been in constant inflation. This in turn allowed the leftist media to shit talk him 24/7 and create a narrative that the fault of everything is at hands of the president, despite by libertarian logistics, letting the free markets work will mean a short term of struggling economics for a benefitial progress in the long run. His big reason for his hate would be not making all the political actions he had to do upfront, he felt for something called Gradualism, which only changes things at a snail's pace and is the rightful reason as to why people hate him. Oh yeah and promoting to dismantle corruption while also appearing on the Panama Papers.
No election is complete without a leftist candidate, which the Leftist Front (Frente de Izquierda) provides. They are not worth talking about, their ads have non-passing trannies, they're cashing in on the pro-abortion campaign that has been going for the last two years, and most of it's audience are college campus students. Their poster ads are everywhere suspiciously enough, I have the presumption that some jew finances their party.
As an alternative "anti-establishment" political candidate we have Espert (Libertarian Front/Frente Libertario), who is more leaning on the libertarian side of things. His party used to also have celebrity Milei who is known for making loud issues with people and calling them Keynesians, but he left the party some months ago. In the latest elections (we have something called PASO, which was three months ago I think) he polled lower than the Leftist Front, but this is a thing with libertarian logistics, the "my idea is superior to the rest so I don't need to be too upfront about it" thing.
If you wish to be a LARPer and get that elections are just a predictive programming test, there's also the Neighbour's Flag (Bandera Vecinal) party. He's been accused of being a nazi, and there are even photos of him with retarded swastikas behind, which gives me the idea that he's a puppet that has been doing this for many years. You may notice that the V this has is similar to the handsign the "Front for everyone" candidate does, and it's because it's also inspired by Peronism. But instead of being a party of "the workers", which through history has always been a codeword for marxists, it takes the fascists takes of Justicialism, the ideology that Peron made up but never really bothered applying. Meme candidate, a glove that fits democracy.


Bernd 10/19/2019 (Sat) 20:20:32 [Preview] No.30674 del
official Brexit soundtrack:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk [Embed]


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 07:43:25 [Preview] No.30676 del
>>30638
Well any one of them doesn't seem much of a choice. As previously Brasilbernd said in relation to Venezuela: even mediocre leadership would be a blessing. This seems to be true to Argentina, since failure comes after failure for a while now.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 07:45:24 [Preview] No.30677 del
>>30674
>The uploader has not made this video available in your country.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 15:55:40 [Preview] No.30692 del
>>30679
Does anyone else think Boris looks like if Putin gained weight and wore a wig? Pure island slav.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 15:58:27 [Preview] No.30693 del
>>30692
No. His eyes sit too close to each other. Well that's typical for you Island Slavs due to small genepool.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 16:04:35 [Preview] No.30696 del
>>30692

Maybe slightly close to original Putin from 90s, but not to modern one.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 16:13:17 [Preview] No.30699 del
>>30696
Huh, I remembered wrong. His eyes sit close too. Especially for older models, as you said.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 17:08:36 [Preview] No.30711 del
>>30696
>>30696
New putin is a dub, currently they are using the udmurt model infa %100


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 18:48:27 [Preview] No.30721 del
>>26478
She looks like she's acting like a mafia boss.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 18:52:22 [Preview] No.30722 del
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Swiss elections: both Green parties gain lots of seats in the bigger parliamentary chamber. Small chamber needs a second round of elections in most Cantons, it's expected that it stays in the hands of the traditional middle parties. We don't have a coalition government, but a joint government where the big parties are all included. Green party is now the 4th biggest party, so they want to be in the government too. For description of the parties see here: >>28907


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 19:05:29 [Preview] No.30723 del
>>30722
Oh yeah, I seen on Politico it was coming. And now they're calling the Greens big winners.
How the big parties decide who gets what ministry? Some are more important than others.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 19:21:05 [Preview] No.30724 del
>>30723
The council that is the longest in office can choose first, they do this when a council was replaced. The number of councils in the government is fixed at 7. A council is responsible for several ministries and appoints somebody to run a ministry. So often ministries are run by technocrats that report to the council. The current councils need to be reelected by the new elected parliament. As the left-center parties have their majority back, they will try to get the 4th seat in the government back, to have a majority in the government as well.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 19:45:27 [Preview] No.30727 del
I'm honestly hoping that the UK is going to devolve into civil war. Demoncracy is a plague.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 19:53:01 [Preview] No.30729 del
>>30724
So the members of the councils are more important than the person of a minister, and the composition of the parliament will effect the composition of the councils.

>>30727
It would be like a regular match day during football season.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 20:28:04 [Preview] No.30731 del
>>28907
>CVP/PDC - Catholics, party in the middle, so you can't make new laws without them, they fell out of fashion
do you have calvinist and lutheran parties as well?

I remember my gangsta brother claimed SVP is nadsi, though never bothered to confirm.


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 20:28:45 [Preview] No.30732 del
>>28906
isn't FPÖ only take %3 of the votes?


Bernd 10/20/2019 (Sun) 21:07:03 [Preview] No.30738 del
>>30731
They have small parties, SVP has a considerate amount of closet evangelicals in the background next to libertarian homos.
SVP is against foreigners and muslims, but they make sure not to use any Nazi vocabulary and symbols, Nazis weren't popular in Switzerland.
>>30732
they had the biggest losses, while Greens won a lot of seats too. Germanic people love hugging trees.


Bernd 10/21/2019 (Mon) 00:33:55 [Preview] No.30746 del
>>30727
But after conflict comes peace, otherwise why would you create it?
What kind of government would you innaugurate after it?


Bernd 10/21/2019 (Mon) 02:22:11 [Preview] No.30749 del
>>30679
Several years have already been wasted on futile negotiations and a crippling uncertainty over the country's future remains. At this point Britain would have been better off if it pushed ahead into a no-deal Brexit early on. It would have been traumatic, but at least the country's position would've been clear and that time could've been spent productively in the reconstruction of foreign relations.


Bernd 10/21/2019 (Mon) 05:17:18 [Preview] No.30753 del
>>30746
Restore absolute monarchy.

>>30749
Indeed.


Bernd 10/21/2019 (Mon) 15:08:49 [Preview] No.30761 del
>>30677
I think that was the joke


Bernd 10/21/2019 (Mon) 20:42:40 [Preview] No.30774 del
>>29080
It represents a chicken that got driven over by car


Bernd 10/21/2019 (Mon) 21:09:33 [Preview] No.30775 del
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>>30774
That's another burrd.

>>30761
Sounds plausible.


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:03:23 [Preview] No.30802 del
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>>30753
>monarchy
I've also been monarchy-pilled lately. Sure, you can try bringing up fascism if you truly dislike some or the other, but if you want to mantain order a monarchy will be the most useful in the long run, as fascism tends to diminish it's purpose as negative perpetrators stop appearing.
The thing is how do you choose succesors, traditionally it's the child, but what if he ends up as a wimpy wuss? In what environment should he be to end up as a strong man with virtues and values? I imagine military training and a christian doctrine would be the most useful.


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:07:25 [Preview] No.30804 del
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>>30802
Stalinism is the only way


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:14:57 [Preview] No.30806 del
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Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:26:48 [Preview] No.30808 del
>>30802
Europeans tend to veer for monarchism, because it's the genuine right-wing position, in a proper conversation that has real 2 inconsolably opposite sides. Because Europeans are multi-lingual they can't be controlled by a universal corporate narrative, and they end up having conversations in good faith and actually reach the bottom of the disagreement, as opposed to the American rhetorical "divide" that's just about arguing who deserves to oppress the other side more, and to control the corporate power that doesn't make any real compromises.

USA politics are about which position should force itself to be the status quo, while european politics is about what kind of highest power would make the fairest compromises. And really, it's the whole Anglo-centric community rather than USA, because their power to self-impose comes from controlling the rhetoric and erasing clarifying notions from the popular language.


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:28:04 [Preview] No.30809 del
>because their power to self-impose comes from controlling the rhetoric


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:29:35 [Preview] No.30810 del
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>>30806
Think about it for a moment, stalinism is still very popular in russia, and nobody with their right mind would fuck with russia, instead, where is absolute monarchy popular and could be feasibly re-instated? in shit-holes nobody even cares about.
Stalinism > absolute monarchy https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvX8WLJ-fHo [Embed]


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:32:13 [Preview] No.30811 del
>>30802
The "absolute" was the keyword. They already have monarchy. I'm pretty sure I had a long discussion about this in another thread. Actually I know I had.
>virtues and values
Sure. For a certain extent. For a ruler it is imperative to know when to apply immoral tools and commit immoral act. Because always following what morality dictates is a sure way to lose his position and probably his life, and then how could he ensure the best for his country and his people?
Anyway Christianity cannot offer that moral support it should for a long time now. And military... they also tend to be a bunch of morons for a while now.
I think what a good ruler should know is spotting talent and managing people. From the top of my head.


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Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:50:55 [Preview] No.30816 del
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>>30810
>stalinism is still very popular in russia

It is more like ressentiment that common person get from interacting with modern Russian society, not like popularity of ideology. There also some other reasons, that mostly not related to Stalin or stalinism, but to his critics (from 60s to today).

If Hitler's person wouldn't so tabooed, he would be popular here like Stalin too.


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:53:24 [Preview] No.30817 del
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On the other side, the presidential debate that was holded last sunday was quite interesting. I got to know the 6 candidates we have.
>Mauricio Macri
Current president, he's blamed for the crisis but it's never pretty much clarified why it started. Some say it's because the socialist policies of the previous government were too hard, so now we have to go through a shakey time for the economy. Others blame him on not cutting down the welfare. But the press has been shitting on him constantly as a socialist blames capitalism for everything.
On his debate he mostly threw dung that the next candidate was throwing at him
>Alberto Fernandez
Same surname as Anibal Fernandez, lackey of the previous president Christina Fernandez, and also the puppet president from which she plans to govern, since most of the publicity of their party has her face plastered all over but never his. Most of the debate spent throwing dung at Macri, and complained about inequality, a natural aspect of the world. When the next candidate told him about the corruption scandals that were never mentioned under the government before to now, he tried to dismiss the problem by shitting on the current president as if two wrongs make a right.
These are sadly the candidates that are given the spotlight thanks to the MSM and how they like to round up people into binary divisions. The next candidates actually gave proposals as to what to do.
>Jose Luis Espert
Libertarian guy selling himself off as a liberal. Critizises the amount of government spending being done, wants to lift up tariffs, and gives proposals to help working enterprises with the security of holding jobs and paying people when they get fired. Boldly touched the topic of how much people just see living somewhere else as the alternative due to the measures that have been going on.
>Juan Jose Gomez Centurion
Falklands War veteran, the only trump-alike that ended up getting to the debate. There were many like them selling themselves like that, Alberto Olmedo, Santiago Cuneo, and Alejandro Bionding, but most of those could be relegated to lolcows and didn't get to the debate. Proposes bigger frontier security, fight against drug traffic, and more infraestructure for the military, that has been stuck up with tools from the second world war. In his ending seconds established himself as a christian against abortion, so that may give him some recognition. Stuttered all the way through and couldn't manage to end in times the topics he had to talk about (They have a limit of 2 minutes to talk about a topic, then two rounds of 30 seconds to talk about things related to the topic, the order in which who starts was randomized). Also pointed out how during the government of Nestor Kirchner, husband of Fernandez, borders were left open.


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:54:11 [Preview] No.30819 del
>>30817
>Roberto Lavagna
Was minister of economics during Fernandez government, but ended up leaving somewhere in 2011. Don't know why, I think it was because he didn't want to indulge in corruption. If I can't remember any of what he said is because he's 90 years old, and seemed to be wheezing all the way through his talk. I think he was a liberal as well, can't remember.
>Nicolas Del Caño
Faggot leftist spainbernd would proclaim is a hero of the people. I think I can pinpoint accurately how he did every single talk
>Start with a passive aggresive remark a woman would do (eg: Guys we're grown up, let's be serious)
>Start throwing dung to the president despite the fact this doesn't give him any more spotlight because the press was mostly in bed with the previous government
>Try to guilt trip him reminding him of the dictatorship there was in the 80s
>Always address people in both genders (ie: Pibes y Pibas; Youngsters in both genders/Todos y Todas: Everyone in both genders)
>Mention that there will be work for everyone but doesn't explain how
>Namedrops events in the world only spainbernd would care about (Chile and Spain chimpouts)
>More guilt-tripping about some dead hippie in a river and the IMF. Nobody cares about that, those were just tools to shit on the president and not much else.
At least he and Fernandez made me laugh with their idiocy. Everyone made me laugh in fact. Democracy is shit as government system but it's kinda neat as an entertainment.

We should also take note that if the candidate polling first doesn't have %45+ of votes, and the difference with the second candidate is of %10, there is a second round in november.


Bernd 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:58:43 [Preview] No.30821 del
>>30819
we had such rule in 90's. thanks to these faggots people retired when they finally become 40 years old and we had to pay their pensions.


Bernd 10/23/2019 (Wed) 08:25:16 [Preview] No.30839 del
>>30746
I believe in absolute monarchy preferanly with me at the head.


Bernd 10/23/2019 (Wed) 15:26:25 [Preview] No.30847 del
>>30821
Oh wow that sucks bro

>>30810
>>30804
>Stali

Nah bro. Don't want to be killed for any random reason. You do not want any type of commie ruling your country. Trust me.

>t. actually know people that fled communist dictatorships


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 02:56:03 [Preview] No.30867 del
>>30821
Do you mind going through with it and laying an explanation on how it was?


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 15:33:07 [Preview] No.30873 del
>>30817
>Jose Luis Esperg
Sounds like our kinda guy.
>trump-alike
>bigger frontier security
Those fucking Mexicans now try to invade Argentina too? But seriously: how frontier security is a problem in Argentina? Is smuggling drugs and/or weapons is a thing there?
Also is military important in South Am in general? Do you guys expect wars or just used as security forces against criminal organizations and as handy tools for a coup d'états?

>>30819
>Faggot leftist spainbernd
If you want then argue against his opinion, but leave the name calling for other boards.

>>30872
What's that panther or whatever?


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 16:41:51 [Preview] No.30875 del
>>30873
>>30873
>how frontier security is a problem in Argentina? Is smuggling drugs and/or weapons is a thing there?
Yeah, basically drug traffic comes from Bolivia since the state there allows for drug fields to export later to the rest of the world. There was also a case recently where apparently in 2011 that some clay from Salta suddenly became bolivian territory and 17 argie families suddenly started living in Bolivia, something insidious is going on with the province government and them. They're behaving like jews in this sense, in the fact that their religion has a bunch of zigzags to avoid the punishment of god. They're doing a bunch of zigzags to take clay, I don't think they know the times of expansion and claymongering have been long gone.
>Also is military important in South Am in general? Do you guys expect wars or just used as security forces against criminal organizations and as handy tools for a coup d'états?
Well it should be taken into account after all the arsons that Chile has been having lately, plus Brazil takes very into account warfare against criminal organization since they own the favelas over there.
>If you want then argue against his opinion, but leave the name calling for other boards.
I let myself go, I admit it, but he does it too. Only difference is that I do it aggresively and he does it passively-aggresively.


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 17:06:05 [Preview] No.30876 del
>>30875
So there's enough monkey business going around in the neighbourhood that justifies the military spending, and it's unsolved enough for a politician to campaign with promises for further spending.
>I let myself go, I admit it, but he does it too. Only difference is that I do it aggresively and he does it passively-aggresively.
Well as once a great man said, two wrongs don't make right.


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 18:45:06 [Preview] No.30877 del
>>30819
>>30875
>>30876
>Faggot leftist spainbernd
huh? are you talking about me? I supose so I don't see many more commie spainards here
In that case I'm sorry argentina Bernd, I will admit I have been funposting in this thread to much I'll try to effortpost more from now on


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 20:20:56 [Preview] No.30884 del
>>30877
It's ok, sometimes I do behave like I have a stick up my ass


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 21:05:53 [Preview] No.30887 del
>>30875
I like maradona and falkland islands. Can I join the argie gang?


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 23:11:55 [Preview] No.30892 del
>>30887
Turkey technically yuropeen isn't it? Despite the hatred from the greeks


Bernd 10/24/2019 (Thu) 23:21:04 [Preview] No.30893 del
>>30892
>>30892
eurasian would define us better. if we need to use such terms at all.


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 00:33:50 [Preview] No.30896 del
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the proper term is asia "minor"


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 01:02:42 [Preview] No.30899 del
>>30887
>maradona
But Pelé is better


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 07:09:01 [Preview] No.30902 del
>>30899
Maradon'è mmegli'e Pelé.
T. With a neapolitan wife


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 09:31:18 [Preview] No.30903 del
I think Taiwan is the real China and HK should be independent and democratic.


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 11:04:11 [Preview] No.30905 del
>>30903
>>30899
Maradona was playing when the football was more developed and harder than Pele's era.

>>30903
t.member of kuomintang


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 16:19:47 [Preview] No.30915 del
>>30819
>Democracy is shit as government system but it's kinda neat as an entertainment.

Greeks invented democracy but ended up hating it anyway. In Ancient Greece, it was ranked as the lowest form of Government actually. It was part of the reason why they lost the Peloponnesian war iirc


They choose a hereditary monarchy afterwards and things got better though
(Alexander the Great's reign)


Bernd 10/25/2019 (Fri) 16:30:05 [Preview] No.30918 del
>>30903
Neat. Let's make it.

>>30915
>Alexander the Great's reign
What a long reign it was.


Bernd 10/26/2019 (Sat) 02:44:31 [Preview] No.30941 del
so has it been delayed or is macron serious about pissing on the tory party


Bernd 10/26/2019 (Sat) 07:35:46 [Preview] No.30942 del
>>30941
Now they talk about general election again.
Here's a nice little piece:
https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-fears-accidental-brexit-crash-out-uk-eu/
>EU27 countries don't want to grant an extension of the October 31 deadline without knowing Britain will hold a national election, while opposition parties in Westminster say they will not vote to allow a snap election unless the EU has approved an extension and set a new deadline.
I think they need 2/3 of the votes to hold new elections. And the Queen can dissolve the parliament so then they would have to hold a new one, but the Queen won't where the fuck is she btw?. And would they keep to this royal order anyway?
But nothing will happen, the EU will just give further extensions. I see two ways out of this, both needs a PM who don't give a shit about his own career but maybe this would ensure a long career for him: 1. go against the referendum and pull the plug on Brexit; 2. beat through no-deal. Both would need some tricky maneuvering and not sure if it's doable. The second one however might be easier if the whole thing is steered into such pothole like the one in the quote.


Alberto Fernandez won Bernd 10/28/2019 (Mon) 01:20:31 [Preview] No.31076 del
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>>30817
Welcome back, Argentina.


Bernd 10/28/2019 (Mon) 01:44:45 [Preview] No.31077 del
>>31076
it's ogre
>>>/argentina/23
>buy milk before its price rises


Bernd 10/28/2019 (Mon) 05:55:28 [Preview] No.31080 del
>>31076
And Argentina continues her tumbling forward maybe in time but in one place.


Bernd 10/30/2019 (Wed) 00:43:58 [Preview] No.31121 del
>>31076
It was expected. Thank god I now know how to be a hitchhiker, travelled 600 KM in one day.
Truth is, we only need to care about our basic needs, anything else is just luxury issues we can live without.


Bernd 11/04/2019 (Mon) 16:58:05 [Preview] No.31267 del
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Orban is the new Romanian PM.
https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-new-center-right-government-ludovic-orban/
Not our Orban tho, but close enough.


Bernd 11/05/2019 (Tue) 14:56:47 [Preview] No.31290 del
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Hungarians are gypsies.


Bernd 11/08/2019 (Fri) 20:03:08 [Preview] No.31370 del
The Supreme Court has just voted to backtrack on a previous understanding that arrests could be made after condemnations on a court of second instance. This allows a few thousand criminals to be set free and strengthens the impunity of those who can hire good lawyers and delay their arrest with a barrage of appeals. Most importantly, this means Lula is now out of jail. His party comrade José Dirceu, key figure in the Mensalão scandal, is also affected. The event has been compared to the Italian Biondi/"save the thieves" decree.
This happens in the context of an anti-anticorruption push by Congress and the Supreme Court to return the law to its previous looseness and curtail Lava Jato, precisely like Mani pulite was tamed in Italy.


Bernd 11/08/2019 (Fri) 20:19:04 [Preview] No.31371 del
>>31370
>this means Lula is now out of jail
Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 04:30:13 [Preview] No.31381 del
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>>31370
>>31370
Can you explains Brazil to me BrBernd? It seems like such a crazy and wild place. So many things have happened there in all of it's lifespan that it's kinda overwhelming to hear sometimes


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 05:19:22 [Preview] No.31385 del
>>31370
>argentina electing a socialist candidate from the previous government
>hues freeing the leader of the foro do Sao Paulo
>chile's revolt bringing down the current president and now pushing for a constitutional assembly
>Bolivia socialist as always
>Peru apparently already established a constitutional assembly
>Ecuador also having issues similar to chile
>Maduro celebrating this and claiming that all is going according to keikaku
The only thing I learned here is that without bloodshed people turn to communism eventually. We'll return to the statist block that it was in the 00s at this rate, I just wish they could stop tip toeing around and just make everything one nation under a socialist flag, to see if the boomers understand what their decisions made.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/TAYdeUsPjPY/


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 10:46:59 [Preview] No.31388 del
>>31381
>Can you explains Brazil
That's a big topic. He wrote quite a lot about Brazil, especially politics and related stuff both ITT and in other threads.

>>31385
You overly dramatize this. Literally noone turning to communism. If there's no world power that backing communist regimes they don't come to power. Even Allende's Chile wasn't communist, today's socialist governments and literally liberals only they tend to distribute more gibsmedats. They ain't even more corrupt than conservative-liberals and liberal-liberals.
>people turn to communism
Ofc people don't like to see the great divide which lays between them and the rich. They also don't like it how the rich got rich. You wanna force them to shut their mouths with weapons and fear? Great idea.
>see if the boomers understand what their decisions made.
Wow, they will see that socialism/communism is evil and they'll regret their decision. Not. Other parts of the world where were actual communism there's a strong nostalgia towards communism. Why because there weren't great divide between... well noone. Even those in very high in the power ladder weren't like the west's wealthy. They had their perks, people mostly suspected them, but everyone could eat well, had a roof above his head, had a secure future, for him and his family, kids. And people don't need much else.
Why they despised the communist/socialist system is the cronyism and nepotism, and the authoritarian nature of the regime. They feared the "black car" which could come for them if they had "bad thoughts". But with time this latter part slowly dissipated and only the corruption remained, with the mild queasy feeling of vulnerability toward the regime. It's bad that no initiative from below, from the people could come to change things that should be changed to better the system, no free acts, only if they told to act from above.
But any other regime, like what we have now has similar characteristics. Corruption, cronyism, susceptibility to behave authoritarian, the suppression of individual initiatives (or stealing the spotlight of such and use it for their political goals).
The problem isn't in the regimes, governmental forms, political ideologies, economic systems, but with the people who operate them and their lack of morality. Their pride, envy, greed, sloth, gluttony, lust and wrath. Their individualism (the individualized, broken society), egoism, lack of empathy, lack of altruism, no communal sense, no communal identity. You can put these people in any system they'll produce the same result. This is why South America (too) is failing.


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 11:52:07 [Preview] No.31391 del
>>31388
>but with the people who operate them and their lack of morality.

aren't they just cogs? i mean people are retarded everywhere, 95% are idiots one way or another (there are no no-idiots, but normies are a special kind of idiots)

also another problem of SU style socialism is that rats just shitting kids like well rats they are and waste other resources with passion (if they cant waste they will just steal and destroy)


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 11:53:53 [Preview] No.31392 del
*the rats they are


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 11:57:53 [Preview] No.31393 del
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>>31385
Just going to say that youtube recently recomended me this vid


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 11:58:23 [Preview] No.31394 del
>>31393
Huh, I'm not american wtf


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 12:24:36 [Preview] No.31397 del
>>31394
You get what half of Mexico is dreaming about and you're displeased. How dare you.

>>31391
>aren't they just cogs?
If the cogs are crooked cogwheel won't turn properly no? Also the people who operate them are includes people with highest power too, so not just little people.
>people are retarded everywhere, 95% are idiots one way or another
I was talking about moral and not intellectual strength. Someone with proper morality can be idiot too. But will probably cause less harm.


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 12:31:18 [Preview] No.31398 del
>>31397
>If the cogs are crooked cogwheel won't turn properly no?
its a rhetoric question
i mostly meant if you swap one set of retarded mods from 4chan's b with another (even much less retarded) it will hardly work for a long time and likely will return to status quo

sometimes its just fucked forever
want another example? /pol/


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 13:06:28 [Preview] No.31399 del
>>31393
Yeah, I already own 5k pesos on XMR. Sadly I still didn't got a job, so I wasn't able to build up wealth and invest it.


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 13:09:01 [Preview] No.31400 del
>>31398
That's really not a good analogue.
Here's an actual example.
You get a politician with shitty morale. Public money will be stolen, the tax won't be spent in efficient way.
You get a politician who respects the community (=morale), he won't siphon the funds via his pal contractors into his own pockets, the tax will be spent more efficiently.


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 13:18:43 [Preview] No.31401 del
>>31400
i know an IRL example from modern time too

italians wanted to fix their mental hospitals (which were historically absolutely horrible) but the only way to 'fix' it was to gulag everyone who ever touched them ever

so they closed the entire thing in all country forever in the 90s, they now have 0 (zero). instead they use other methods now because their previous there simply unfixable (as in no way to fix it, especially no easy way)

same happened to british 'empire' for example: no way to fix that shithole

soviet union also has non-fixable situation the whole thing was rotten


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 13:20:31 [Preview] No.31402 del
*had


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 14:21:35 [Preview] No.31403 del
>>31397
Kek
>>31399
Just don't do anything crazy, wouldn't want to see a fellow bernd dead
>>31385
>The only thing I learned here is that without bloodshed people turn to communism eventually.
Marx was right then
>I just wish they could stop tip toeing around and just make everything one nation under a socialist flag, to see if the boomers understand what their decisions made.
Facts stoped mattering to the common citizen long time ago and I'm saying this as a leftie, what matters now is the propaganda game, and it seems that, while on the internet the right has won, IRL the left is wining.
By this I mean, that if what if a unified south america happens people will accept it
IF the left can sucesfully paint it as "the people revolting against the rich", then the revolutionary feeling would free them from the idea of nationality.
>https://www.bitchute.com/video/TAYdeUsPjPY/
Video doesn't load, could you make me a sumary?


Bernd 11/09/2019 (Sat) 15:16:58 [Preview] No.31404 del
>>31403
>Marx was right then
It's less about communism being an iinevitability but more about how it's instauration comes from exploiting the good will and needs of the people, creating more rights and welfare in the name of safety and prosperity.
>Video doesn't load, could you make me a sumary?
Just some local lolberts explaining the situation Chile is going through, how they've been on an economic growth since the 80s and the violence and vandalism is going to destroy production and disallow people to work in their jobs, thus hurt the nation in the long run.
The bitchute link below also shows activist that are acting all over the continent

On the other hand, Bolivians are going through what could be a small stone. Evo Morales got caught on fraud and some parts of his country are revolting against it.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4iGvhEr400A/
I still don't think that will amount to anything since communists have been holding the power structure in Bolivia for more than 20 years. Just like those Venezuelan revolts two years ago.


Bernd 11/10/2019 (Sun) 18:38:50 [Preview] No.31420 del
>>31403
>he revolutionary feeling would free them from the idea of nationality.
Which would result in the moral's further spiraling down. Heh, I just realized I spelled moral wrong a couple of times above. Oh well. It would result in further chaos and crime. Moral can only be found in the strengthening of the bonds of community, since moral exists to make it possible for the people to live together, to live beside each other, to make cooperation possible with others. The source of morality is basically the community and the social nature of humanity. Therefore internationalism should be avoided like plague.

>>31404
I think you view this thing too dark. Next election Argentinians will pick someone else since they'll be fed up with the Todos.


Bernd 11/10/2019 (Sun) 18:45:34 [Preview] No.31421 del
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Russians are hacking Britain too. Now I understand how Brexit cannot be realized.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-government-pressed-to-publish-report-into-russian-interference/


Bernd 11/10/2019 (Sun) 20:58:13 [Preview] No.31423 del
>>31420
>Next election Argentinians will pick someone else since they'll be fed up with the Todos.
That is, if there are any next elections at all. Since the elected government has affiliations with Maduro, it has been hinted the idea of summoning a constitutional assembly as the one assigned in Peru to remove term limits.
And that doesn't help that the country falls for demagogues, pushing the idea that more state will fix the issue, when it's the growth of this one that allowed for the proliferation of corruption and money handling, with many politicians placing their family members on jobs in the state, and abusing high prices in public infraestructure to launder money in real estate and properties all around the country.
We only have to endure 30 years, see boomers latching on Peronism as their false god die, and maybe then we'll see what the demographics of the country really want. But then again, I don't believe a Democratic government will exist in 30 years.


Bernd 11/10/2019 (Sun) 21:59:46 [Preview] No.31424 del
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>>31423
>maybe then we'll see what the demographics of the country really want.
>really want
But that's just it. That always changes. There is no finality. Circumstances change, people change, their wish change. There was communism here for 40 years, now it's nowhere. We have a nice little saying: "don't smirk Ilyich, it won't last forever, we hadn't become Turkish, under hundred and fifty years".
Also not even Chavismo is Soviet style communism, or North Korea style (although Juche is breddy nice on paper), so no idea why would you worry about communism. Buy a plot of land in Patagonia, learn to live of the grid, problems weren't.


Bernd 11/10/2019 (Sun) 22:55:04 [Preview] No.31426 del
>>31424
>Buy a plot of land in Patagonia, learn to live of the grid, problems weren't.
That's basically the conclusion I ended up with after travelling through the province in election day. We need to learn how to strive in times of chaos

I frankly think a crisis is the best time for someone to invest properly, since what you own will end up letting you trade for other goods later on, and if you play your cards properly, you could be the king of the jungle. Plenty of people end up coding for multinational enterprises and the pay they'd get would be incredibly useful since they receive it in a non-inflated coin. Which makes me hate that I never got a job. If worst comes, I'll draw furry porn for a living.


Bernd 11/10/2019 (Sun) 23:19:52 [Preview] No.31427 del
>>31424
>>31424
> we hadn't become Turkish under hundred and fifty years
smh nigga because you already were


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 06:14:08 [Preview] No.31428 del
>>31427
1. The saying meant Turkish not Turkic which is a different thing. Every Turkish is Turkic but not every Turkic is Turkish.
2. Even "Turk" only goes back to 6th century, everything previously isn't Turkic. Saying - for example - Huns were Turkic is a grave mistake. You could say that Turkic people are Huns tho but if we really want to be nitpicky it's debatable that Huns had anything to do with the oncoming Turkic people, ofc with all the interbreeding going on in Central Asia everyone is related in one way or another, but I'm not talking about genetics, but ethnicity.
3. There's a reason while Hungarian is in the Ural-Altaic language, it's in the Uralic and not in Altaic branch.


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 08:06:17 [Preview] No.31432 del
>>31428
>>31428
> Even "Turk" only goes back to 6th century
nope, it's just Göktürks were the first state with the name Türk. The name goes even more back. We're mentioned as Turcae in Pompeius Mela's map which predates Huns in Europe. That's like saying germans didn't exist because there was no state called germany until 19th century.

I was joking obviously

The word Turkic is a linguistic term. Considering the fact one of reason we're named like that because how foreigners named us, if we had correct name we would named some shit like Oghuzia. Also remember significant portion of central asia was called Turkestan not Turkicstan.

>There's a reason while Hungarian is in the Ural-Altaic language, it's in the Uralic and not in Altaic branch.
Again it was joke but you took it way too seriously


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 15:38:28 [Preview] No.31437 del
So that little stone for Evo Morales, president of Bolivia, seemed to be shot that killed Goliath.
The military forces joined the protests against the electoral fraud he was complicit, and in order to avoid further escalation, he resigned.
Now the question of a socialist government still continuing to have the steerwheel of the country or turning into more libertarian ideas is the one to be known. He could resign and still govern from a puppet, like Lula intended with Fernando Hadad.
>autocorrector changes Haddad to Gadsden
jej, even my phone read Hoppe


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 17:20:10 [Preview] No.31442 del
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>>31437
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/11/world/americas/bolivia-evo-morales.html
>Jeanine Añez Chavez
Related?
>The whereabouts of Mr. Morales were unknown
>Mr. Morales wrote on Twitter from an unknown location
Was really him who tweeted? Will we see him again anytime ever?


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 17:44:47 [Preview] No.31445 del
>>31442
>woman as president
That generally doesn't go too well. >Was really him who tweeted?
Whatever someone says on social networks isn't something to really care about. Plus twitter isn't instagram, it won't show the place where you posted from
>Will we see him again anytime ever?
I hope not, but the Foro do Sao Paulo may contact him, or just replace him with another figure, since his party still has a hold of the seats in parliament apparently.


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 17:45:56 [Preview] No.31446 del
this software for mobileposting sucks


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 18:00:48 [Preview] No.31447 del
>>31446
Get at least a gaming laptop, mang.


Bernd 11/11/2019 (Mon) 23:11:11 [Preview] No.31451 del
>>31437
Supposedly Brazil played a role in the regime change, which might be a high point in Bolsonaro's presidency.
Given the opposition's strong showing I believe the new government won't necessarily be right- or left-wing but it won't be Bolivarian.
Although the fall of a Bolivarian regime is always a good thing and there are positive prospects for Bolivia's future I'm slightly saddened by this. Not that I wanted Morales to remain, but he was one of the saner of the Pink Tide regimes (along with Uruguay), he didn't drive his country to societal collapse and had good relations with Bolsonaro.


Bernd 11/14/2019 (Thu) 06:32:39 [Preview] No.31921 del
Did this get autosaged?


Bernd 11/14/2019 (Thu) 06:39:36 [Preview] No.31923 del
>>31451
>Supposedly Brazil played a role in the regime change
Where is that tidbit come from? Does Brazil really have the resources to meddle in other countries that directly?


Bernd 11/15/2019 (Fri) 00:33:48 [Preview] No.32065 del
>>31923
We gave our full diplomatic support but evidence of closer cooperation is hard to find. Some Protestant churches cooperated with the Bolivians, Camacho met with the Foreign Minister a few months ago and a far left party is accusing the government of having backed the plot and wants it to release the information it has on the topic. I conclude if any aid was given to the opposition it did not play a central role in Evo's downfall.


Bernd 11/27/2019 (Wed) 12:51:17 [Preview] No.32663 del
any bongs itt? what are you voting?

I want brexit but I think the conservatives are a bunch of sneaky jews. Very conflicted.


Bernd 11/27/2019 (Wed) 19:10:05 [Preview] No.32669 del
>>32663
You were tricked. Noone will deliver.


Bernd 11/27/2019 (Wed) 20:53:08 [Preview] No.32673 del
>>32669
Don't let that be true, else I will have to start assassinating.


Bernd 11/28/2019 (Thu) 16:36:45 [Preview] No.32680 del
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>>32673
Fjf, even a Hungarian t-shirt shop sold their merchandise with this slogan. They had quite a few other funny, cynical etc. shit


Bernd 11/29/2019 (Fri) 00:36:01 [Preview] No.32687 del
Center-right candidate Lacalle Pou has won the Uruguayan presidential elections by a small margin, displacing the ruling left-wing coalition's 15-year rule.


Bernd 12/04/2019 (Wed) 03:37:22 [Preview] No.32801 del
>>32687
>Centre-Right
just like piñera and macri. This can only develop badly


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 14:50:03 [Preview] No.33027 del
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>>32663
I'm the same as you, just voted Brexit party. I don't know if you'll have a candidate in your constituency however as they're not running everywhere iirc. Personally my backup plan for if they weren't running was to draw a benis on the ballot tbh.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 15:51:17 [Preview] No.33028 del
>>33027
Just voted brexit party also, didn't even realise we had a candidate. Would be fucking amazing if they got it.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 16:21:24 [Preview] No.33029 del
>>33027
>>33028
I was curious all day how this great masturbatory surrogate activity is going there. I caught a glimpse in the morn this is the day.
How to watch like a pro I've no idea haven't read yet:
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-to-watch-uk-election-night-like-a-pro-brexit-boris-johnson/


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 16:38:54 [Preview] No.33030 del
Brexit Ain't free. The magna carta gotta be littered with the blood of Frenchmen. Boris KEMAL Johnson aka "B. J." is not my prime minister. he is Islamic gabidalisd and probably Ottoman as well :DD. William and kate not harry and the amerimutt ok. god save the queen.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 16:43:52 [Preview] No.33031 del
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>>33030
>probably ottoman as well
fix'd


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 19:56:49 [Preview] No.33044 del
>>33030
>>33030
boris johnson is actually descend from an ottoman traitor. legit son of a bitch he is.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 20:57:45 [Preview] No.33045 del
>>33044
I thought he is a Russian neger.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 21:17:41 [Preview] No.33046 del
>>33030
Honestly the British monarchy is better leaving. Once Elizabeth dies it'll collapse and we'll finally see a Commonwealth of Britain.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 21:20:15 [Preview] No.33047 del
>>33046
Denmark still has their chain-smoking queen


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 21:38:43 [Preview] No.33049 del
>>33046
>>33047
You know what I unironically think is the most ideal government for now? Something like Cromwell's Lord Protector title. Not libertinism, not really republicanism, but staunchly anti-monarchist.


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 21:58:00 [Preview] No.33050 del
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exit polls soon, then I can go to sleep


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 22:00:31 [Preview] No.33051 del
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Boris is expected to win


Bernd 12/12/2019 (Thu) 23:03:28 [Preview] No.33056 del
With majority they'll push through Brexit and stay afloat but the economic fairy story won't happen.


cons win Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 07:40:57 [Preview] No.33064 del
Out, out, out, out, out, out, out, out, out!


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 14:50:09 [Preview] No.33067 del
It's over m8s, yoy will never leave the EU.


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>>33027
bad ass meme with whatshisname behind the bane mask. Who's pic is he holding up?
Lenin, for example, laid down on the floor of parliament. You lovely islanders have not done so, your forum still holds a dignified position, it is something to be proud of.


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 17:09:37 [Preview] No.33071 del
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So the Russian guy won. Supposedly now voting the deal will be easy peasy, since all the tory candidates pledged to support it. But then the EU should also accept that particular one. But if the EU don't like it, then they have to vote on a new one. Will see.

>>33068
Farage.


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 17:23:09 [Preview] No.33072 del
Will (((they))) or how it is written allow the Scots to leave the UK?
https://www.politico.eu/article/scotland-nationalists-snp-collision-course-johnson-independence-referendum/
If yes, how will this effect the fate of Catalonia?


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 17:52:12 [Preview] No.33075 del
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>>33072
>Scots leave the UK
>northern Irish leave the UK
>monarchy is abolished
>all of this is completely possible right now, with no shots needing be fired
Are we going to have a republic of England soon? Say goodbye to Britain being a great power.
Spain's not too happy about anybody leaving them however so things are different. I'm sure the independent Catalonia will be happy however to give the Germans some land in the Balears however.


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 18:06:12 [Preview] No.33076 del
>>33075
Now the future is full of possibilities. I'd like to see such things happen.
The next two decades could be very interesting, and potentially dangerous (both for individuals and communities, nations).


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 18:22:56 [Preview] No.33077 del
>>33068
Pic is king of EU.

I doubt Scots will go independent, they have always been free to do so but Britain is stronger together. I doubt they have such a hard on for unelected officials, though would be cool to see if they did ditch.


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 18:25:04 [Preview] No.33078 del
>>33076
There will be a large civil war in America, that'll make them withdraw from Europe. In-fact, they're already working on withdrawing from Germany, which thus along with Brexit and further Chinese alliance gives the Germans more political power. In-fact Catalonia even splitting from Spain will give them more political power. Of course something's going to go on with the Antichrist in the Vatican (raid on the Vatican library perhaps). Israelis are going to get wiped out of the map by their neighbours (oy vey).
Then eventually the relations between the EU and eastern bloc without America will start to deteriorate themselves.
Oh yes, and did I forget Switzerland and Belgium? They'll collapse with the banking system and with the fact that Flemings and Walloons don't get along. Wallonia will serve as a reminder of what Europe used to be like (a mostly desert/agricultural backwater).


Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 18:25:29 [Preview] No.33079 del
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Bernd 12/13/2019 (Fri) 18:41:24 [Preview] No.33080 del
>>33075
>I'm sure the independent Catalonia will be happy however to give the Germans some land in the Balears however.
They won't, independent "Catalonia" will likely be the county of Barcelona and nothing more.


Bernd 12/14/2019 (Sat) 10:01:08 [Preview] No.33091 del
>>33079
this gives me a chuckle every time.


Bernd 12/16/2019 (Mon) 19:30:19 [Preview] No.33158 del
Arrest warrants have been issued for 21 aldermen in Uberlândia over three different corruption investigations. The city has 30 aldermen.


Bernd 12/16/2019 (Mon) 20:04:09 [Preview] No.33159 del
>>33158
Let me guess. Weren't issued for the rest since those are already in arrest.


Bernd 12/17/2019 (Tue) 15:35:57 [Preview] No.33172 del
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>allow Scotland to become independent
>invade and annex them the next day
What could possibly go wrong?
Also, their plan seems to be leaving the UK and joining the EU. But didn't Spain and a few other countries agree to veto them because they don't want to support other independence movements?


Bernd 12/17/2019 (Tue) 16:45:19 [Preview] No.33173 del
>>33172
>Spain and a few other countries agree to veto them
Ebin.
Then NI and Scotland has to make the Irish conquer them. Or just join to Ireland creating the United Republic of Great Ireland and Scotland.


Bernd 12/17/2019 (Tue) 18:18:40 [Preview] No.33176 del
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>>33172
No. Scotland joins the Nordic Council, and later the Council becomes a relevant, centralised group dedicated on uniting the Nordic countries, which will now include Scotland.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nordic-council-membership-offers-us-a-real-alternative-1-778444


Bernd 12/17/2019 (Tue) 18:26:37 [Preview] No.33177 del
>>33176
>>33176
I will shoot myself if kalmar union 2.0 becomes a thing before turanic union.


Bernd 12/17/2019 (Tue) 21:14:56 [Preview] No.33179 del
>>33177
I'd say those countries will dissolve first in a global state before they found this Nordic Empire together.


Bernd 12/19/2019 (Thu) 01:51:56 [Preview] No.33219 del
>>33159
No, though one of the free ones has been barred from his functions, leaving only 8 intact aldermen.


Bernd 12/19/2019 (Thu) 16:44:44 [Preview] No.33224 del
https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-brexit-government-plan/
>The program — read out by the monarch in the House of Lords during a tradition known as the queen's speech
So how old Lizzie looked like? Is she healthy?


Bernd 12/22/2019 (Sun) 10:19:24 [Preview] No.33292 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cre0in5n-1E [Embed]
I just found out this was posted on official Conservative yt page


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Bernd 01/12/2020 (Sun) 19:52:00 [Preview] No.34007 del
Looks like the """""great Amazon fires of 2019"""" don't matter that much in a historical context.


Bernd 01/13/2020 (Mon) 20:11:51 [Preview] No.34028 del
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A recap of Bolsonaro's first year in power.
He was elected with the promise of doing away with "old politics", the cronyism of coalition presidentialism. As such rather than buying party support with ministerial appointments he slashed the number of ministries and made more technical choices. Once in power his plan was not to keep a base of loyal parties but negotiate on a case by case basis with each caucus. This proved easier said than done and Congress had other ideas.
The threat was not from the Left. It is a cornered beast, losing much of its influence. PT is still egocentric and accepts nothing less than total control of the opposition but the smaller parties are disgruntled and want to distance themselves from it. And they all spent the whole year obsessed with getting Lula out of jail.
It was not from the previous torchbearer of the right, the PSDB. The struggle between its (older) left- and (newer) right-leaning factions continues with the rightists having the upper hand.
It was related, but not from, the Center. Despite the election's polarization and high rate of renewal the bulk of Congress is still occupied by ideologically ambiguous power-seekers. But they rarely seek power on their own, preferring to let someone else take the mantle of power. That someone could have been Bolsonaro, but somehow -the media blames inactivity and lack of negotiation but in truth it was probably lack of bribery- he couldn't win their loyalty.
Bolsonaro's biggest threat was whoever rushed to fill the power vacuum, and it was the most right-wing of the large traditional parties: DEM, which presides over both houses of Congress. Rodrigo Maia, president of the Chamber of Deputies, managed to build his own alliance system. What followed was an offensive by the Legislative over the Executive's power; among other things, the former can now pour funding into its electoral strongholds without less of the latter's oversight. Coalition presidentialism has ceased to exist but in its place "white parliamentarism" has been spoken of as a new paradigm. Power has moved to new axis centered on the Legislative, which may confront Bolsonaro with a center-right candidate in 2022.

Maia agrees with Bolsonaro and his ministers on his economic and administrative reform agenda in a watered-down manner. The largest issue is pension reform, which drags on for years. In May Centrist deputy Paulinho da Força even stated explicitly that Congress wanted a pension reform that would not secure Bolsonaro's reelection. The Left opposed any reform at all and dragged the process as much as it could but was powerless. Bolsonaro's economic team wanted a radical reform with large savings but in the end only a scaled-down reform was implemented.

Simultaneously with reforms and the drive to expand the Legislative's power, Maia's center of power has taken part in a concerted antianticorruption push. In this he is backed by the Left, still butthurt at Lula's arrest, and the "guaranteeist" majority wing of the Supreme Court, which favors laxity in investigations and condemnations in contrast with the "punitivistic" minority wing. The main target of this push is Lava Jato, which like Mani Pulite in Italy faced retaliation after it exposed misdeeds across all parties and offended powerful figures. And as the former star of Lava Jato with a reputation for harshness against politicians and current Justice superminister, Sérgio Moro is their nemesis.


Bernd 01/13/2020 (Mon) 20:12:16 [Preview] No.34029 del
In June Moro's position was shaken by leaked conversations with prosecutor Deltan Dallagnol when he was a judge. They show him taking a more active role than what is typically expected of a judge, which may or may not be grounds for deeming him biased and rolling back Lula's condemnation. Only a proper trial could assess this, but there likely won't be one as his opponents immediately used it to attack Lava Jato and justify their push. Nonetheless he still has strong popular support and the backing of a handful of center-right parties. The only practical effect is that he will no longer be nominated to the Supreme Court and nor Dallagnol to Prosecutor General.
Congress and the Supreme Court have transferred the Financial Activities Control Council (Coaf) from the Justice Ministry to the Central Bank, passed the "Authority abuse law" which can be used to target judges and prosecutors if they're deemed too harsh, seriously watered down the "anti-crime packaged" Moro had forwarded to Congress and set Lula free as part of a wider relaxation of arrest conditions.


The Supreme Court, on its part, is drunk with power. They issued a gag order to some journalists and decided criminalized homophobia by defining it as part of the Constitution's ban on racism. The major criticism on legal grounds is that in doing so it was effectively creating legislation and thus invading an exclusive prerogative of Congress. The counterargument was that it was a creation of legislation but the Supreme Court is allowed to do it for laws that are already meant to exist anyways.

Bolsonaro is weakened and has to deal with corruption scandals among his sons and bitter infighting in his party, which he intends to leave and form a new one. His foreign policy has brought little fruit and Trump hasn't done much in his favor. Anyone who speaks of the "threat of authoritarianism" in Brazil is clueless.
He does, however, still have a dedicated and zealous core of followers who defend him no matter what he does. This was also the backbone of PT rule for years and he managed to replicate it.
The economy was stagnant but doing fairly well with low inflation and interest rates and positive prospects for this year. The BRL is dropping but that is good for exports.


Bernd 01/26/2020 (Sun) 20:45:30 [Preview] No.34276 del
Is liberalism still a progressive ideology?


Bernd 01/26/2020 (Sun) 20:45:55 [Preview] No.34277 del
>>34028
>>34029
Forgot to read these. Will do.


Bernd 01/26/2020 (Sun) 21:01:34 [Preview] No.34278 del
>>34276
Technically no since it's already in place for 200 years? Using a strict definition of "progressive" of course.


Bernd 01/26/2020 (Sun) 21:21:40 [Preview] No.34279 del
>>34278
Yeah. In daily politics the definitions can become quite elastic.

A related question: can be the terms conservative and progressive used in other epochs without being anachronistic? Liek in antiquity, e.g. when they turned Rome into a republic from monarchy, and then when the turned the republic into monarchy.


Bernd 01/31/2020 (Fri) 02:07:30 [Preview] No.34385 del
I think brexit just happened. Britbongs better explain themselves


Bernd 01/31/2020 (Fri) 02:25:12 [Preview] No.34386 del
>>34385
It was 'epic' as the kids say.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IgDo3YjRH1A [Embed]


Bernd 01/31/2020 (Fri) 06:44:25 [Preview] No.34389 del
>>34385
Today they are leaving. Tomorrow UK won't be in EU anymore. On paper.
This whole thing proved for all the little sheep in the EU, that even King Lion can be made to suck the D, so best be afraid and stay inside.


Bernd 01/31/2020 (Fri) 06:50:04 [Preview] No.34390 del
>>34385
Today they are leaving. Tomorrow UK won't be in EU anymore. On paper.
This whole thing proved for all the little sheep in the EU, that even King Lion can be made to suck the D, so best be afraid and stay inside.


Bernd 03/19/2020 (Thu) 17:46:22 [Preview] No.35294 del
Why is this unemployment rate on a downward trend even though the second half of the last decade hasn't been that great for Russia? Statistical manipulation? Managing better?


Bernd 03/19/2020 (Thu) 18:16:37 [Preview] No.35296 del
>>35294
Our trick is to make public jobs which can suck up large masses of unemployed and pay them below minimum wage. We have two categories, one for those who have higher education (which pays still less than min wage, but higher then the next group) and another for absolutely uneducated people (=gypsies) or old with low educational background. We have not anymore very low unemployment rate. Maybe Russia does the same.
Additional information: the gypsy public workers do barely anything. They are tasked to clean the streets, cut grass, collect fallen leaves, salting sidewalks in winter, etc. they are numerous so they are doing these very leisurely. On certain settlements many of them don't even go to work, they still get they paychecks, in return they better the statistics.


Bernd 03/19/2020 (Thu) 23:19:02 [Preview] No.35308 del
>>35294

Russian employment situation is pretty interesting and complex, and influenced by multiple factors.

First - actual demographics is in serious decline for 20+ years. There were some small positive peak some time ago, but it is related to large cycle that going from WW2 and still has effect (but it is a different story). So, workforce shrinking faster than economic go into decline. Technology level overall is still low, so plenty of work positions are opened because there is no optimization. For example, accounting is very complex and requires full departments even in small business.

Second - Russia has interesting situation when it is overly socialistic state on paper but very unsocialistic in reality. That results in complete inability to live without work. Only pension can somewhat sustain living conditions (but pretty poor). Other things, like unemployment benefits, are too small to even buy any food for month. So, people literally can't survive without work. When in many other countries person may wait some time to find specific vacancy, here it is all about any vacancy that is available.

Third - yes, this >>35296
State is very big, especially if you count half-state companies like Gazprom, Russian Railways or Russian Post. They also large in bureaucratic sense, and employ large array of people who something stupid and receive small wages. Some calculations say less than half of workforce actually do non-state related work. Local police has more than million employees, and this number doesn't even include militarized police. Railways have 700+ thousands of people. Post has 400k. Gazprom group has almost 500k.

Fourth - structure of Russian economy is also specific, large share of income goes from external sources (exports of raw materials) and from state companies. Then these money go into chain of intermediates, so in the end it is just large amount of resellers that resell something to other resellers, then again. And every part of chain requires own managers, accounting, secretaries etc. In more classic open market they would be removed by competition and money spending optimizations, but here they are still live because they just sit on constant flow of something they don't made.


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>>35452
I've doxxed his location, where do I cash in my reward?


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Bernd 03/28/2020 (Sat) 08:42:21 [Preview] No.35504 del
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>>35452

>U.S. DEA agents on Friday remanded in custody retired Venezuelan general Cliver Alcala
>Alcala retired from the armed forces as Maduro took over the presidency in 2013 following his predecessor Hugo Chavez’s death from cancer.

I wonder if he has any current infos left to leak.

>The U.S. State Department had offered a reward of up to $10 million for information leading to Alcala’s arrest
>after the indictment’s announcement, Alcala told the DEA over the phone that he would give himself up

big brain nibba

https://archive.fo/1a7kI


Bernd 03/28/2020 (Sat) 15:01:07 [Preview] No.35511 del
>>35504
>Maduro, in a state television address, dismissed the charges as false and racist, and called Trump a “miserable person.”


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Bernd 03/29/2020 (Sun) 00:45:57 [Preview] No.35518 del
>>35511
Very maduro from maduro
(maduro means mature)


Bernd 03/29/2020 (Sun) 08:28:19 [Preview] No.35523 del
>>35518
I wonder if that guy can make just one thing right.


Bernd 05/02/2020 (Sat) 07:19:30 [Preview] No.36432 del
https://archive.vn/wip/joDqJ
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279435/Secret-military-operation-led-ex-Green-Beret-ouster-Venezuelas-Maduro-fails.html

>ex-Green Beret organized a 'private coup' funded by US billionaires to remove Venezuela's Maduro and trained 300 soldiers in Colombia
>What could go wrong? As it turns out, pretty much everything.

So he's a Canadian-born US soldier who worked for a UK billionaire... This is crazy. This is mid 2000s Conrad Black-tier Anglo Hegemony crazy.



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