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Intelligence, genetics and race Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 22:29:36 [Preview] No. 33525
Intelligence is not related to genetics, It's not like Im denying the obvious IQ gap between the two races. I just believe that it's much more complex than "this gene good, this gene bad"

A minorty..

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 22:32:54 [Preview] No.33526 del
Twist: Genetics don't exist, traditional culture always said heredity is in the blood.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 22:36:08 [Preview] No.33527 del
Twist: it's all a simulation, nothing really exists, not IQ, not genes and not race.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 22:42:28 [Preview] No.33528 del
>traditional culture
Traditional culture is not credible
>twist: it's all a simulation, nothing really exists, not IQ, not genes and not race.
Whether we're in a simulation or not, that wont change anything

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 22:44:39 [Preview] No.33529 del
I mean yes. Theoretically, race doesn't exist, race is nothing but a cultural interpretation of phenotype

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 22:56:32 [Preview] No.33530 del
Well, lets just hack the simulation to raise the African IQ. Lets take some code from other races and insert it into afros so the simulation doesn't cap their IQ. In turn we will have hacked simulation characters with no limits on IQ or penis size.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 23:12:06 [Preview] No.33531 del
IQ is not an accurate measurement for intelligence, that's why I said it's much more complex than "this gene good, this gene bad". Wealthy individuals tend to score the highest, which makes it fair to consider it a test that indirectly measures sociological and environment conditions, and ones financial stability instead of IQ

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 23:34:09 [Preview] No.33532 del
No, that's obviously disinformation pushed to keep people atheistic. Any 2 year old knows that.
You went to Egypt from France that fast? What are you, Napoleon?

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 23:38:41 [Preview] No.33533 del
Hmm, that's a good point, Africans are also poor as well as low IQ. In that case, we need code from a race that is neither limited in IQ or wealth. I think Jews would be your best candidate then, begin inserting Jewish code into Africans and the simulation should produce high IQ, wealthy, large penis characters. Trouble is, if you're not Jewish then how to accomplish this. You would most likely have to begin moving across into Israel by a great many, then hopefully mixing, even by rape, will begin.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 23:39:24 [Preview] No.33534 del
I think it's a combination of factors. Genetics and race may play a role but so too would environment. Diet seems to be important but so does education, one must remember that the IQ test is just a test, it can be trained for. I think this is a large part of why Asian societies are doing so well at them, they tend to have more rigid school systems with an emphasis on mathematics, this tends to translate well to the IQ test. This may also explain why even though they have such good test results and such large populations they don't actually do that well in a great many fields, certainly not so well as they should do, even in technology, Huawei actually employees a great many westerners.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 23:43:26 [Preview] No.33535 del
I was always told that eating fish
makes you more intelligent.

Bernd 12/27/2019 (Fri) 23:48:03 [Preview] No.33536 del
The highest scoring western nation for IQ is Switzerland(or it's one of them), I don't think they would eat as much fish as other countries. Fish probably contributes but I think meat in general does. The Japanese used to be really quite stupid with an average height of 5 foot tall up until they started eating red meat when their height shot up and they started doing not so dumb things.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 00:03:58 [Preview] No.33538 del
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>Wealthy individuals tend to score the highest, which makes it fair to consider it a test that indirectly measures sociological and environment conditions, and ones financial stability instead of IQ

It is also may be fair to consider than those who have high intelligence also get good financial stability and live in good sociological and environment conditions (i.e. reverse argument).

People tend to dislike this interpretation by obvious psychological reasons, although technically there is no reason to deny this interpretation completely.

>IQ is not an accurate measurement for intelligence

There is no good definition of intelligence at all, so maybe no accurate measurement can be even made.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 00:11:07 [Preview] No.33539 del
That's just mountain jew propaganda.
On a serious note, it seems that the Germanic parts of the Alps do have some of the smartest people in Europe. Of course us Danes are as well, and the Icelanders (likely because their population is so small, and because of eugenics) Today's Brits (Welsh excluded), French and Balkaners meanwhile seem to be the dumbest.
So as for meat consumption, there's picrel. I have concluded that it seems to be more organic and specifically red meat which is the most common in Europe (only exceptions are fish in Norway and Iceland, and the North Sea).
So from this pic, the USA has the highest meat consumption (especially the south) and of course they're very diverse intelligence wise, especially the south. Same with Latin America. It changes with the Old World though because Africans don't eat much meat (aside from the hearts of their opposing generals), Indians don't really eat meat at all, neither do Afghans (that one's probably a lie since Afghans are huge on eating goat meat, and their agrarian lands have been mostly destroyed either because of poppy fields or American soldiers trying to replant poppy fields). Saudi Arabia and the Gulf (they're becoming smarter now, but really only are compared to their neighbouring Indians and Africans), and Israelis eat a ton of meat as well (though their average IQ is 95 there, and 100 years ago in the ghettos they were far dumber). For Europe though, what you're saying is definitely right, with the dumbest countries in the Balkans and Ukraine consuming lest meat. The exception being Estonia.
China eats a lot of meat, it could have something to do with their intelligence (or that could just be a hoax by the PRC's government)

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 00:14:47 [Preview] No.33540 del
>There is no good definition of intelligence at all, so maybe no accurate measurement can be even made.
It's like all the rotten mental institutions today, and all these broad categories for mental diseases, especially Aspergers where so many different kinds of people are all put under one umbrella.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 00:15:17 [Preview] No.33541 del
fucking hell, I still had the image attached

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 01:05:43 [Preview] No.33542 del
>It is also may be fair to consider than those who have high intelligence also get good financial stability and live in good sociological and environment conditions (i.e. reverse argument).
The problem with the reverse argument is that it doesn't really explain the education part. When you receive education, you tend to become successful and financially stable; Hence score higher on IQ tests. Niggers tend to not be interested in education or don't even receive any good education at all, which to me seems like a cultural and a sociological problem, and definitely not a genetic one.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 06:30:45 [Preview] No.33544 del
>When you receive education, you tend to become successful and financially stable
ok boomer

Look, lets be blunt, Africa has some of the last remaining poor nations at third world level. Simply not starving to death doesn't require so much intelligence that it's beyond their abilities, its just those nations are hopelessly corrupt. They lack a middle class, they have very rich few and peasant farmers. No amount of education, charity or breeding will fix that, their economy is just fucked. Their only options are serious political action or civil war, the problem is they might be too stupid or lazy to achieve this.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 08:44:57 [Preview] No.33546 del

Correlation does not imply causation. I've seen plenty of educated poor people around.

Of course both arguments, direct and reverse, have flaws, and real answer is a complex mix of both I guess.

Bernd 12/28/2019 (Sat) 15:16:06 [Preview] No.33550 del
Being intelligent is depending on the brain. How the brain functions can be influenced by nutrition (both for the brain and the supporting systems, like cardiovascular organs) and training (like all the parts of the body brain also can be trained). There is also a genetic component, which can be cultivated through generations (see: dogs, when they bred German shepherds there were a number of traits they wanted to achieve , like it should look similar to wolves, and it can be taught, trained easily, ie. the wanted to achieve a dog breed which is intelligent comparatively to other breeds, and they succeeded).
I think the genetic component gives a basis, and a min-max scale. During our childhood our brain gets is basic training, and then we can keep hone it with further training and keep it sharp during our lives. And throughout our life we can supply it with the necessary components (nutrition via food) for it's work.

Bernd 01/08/2020 (Wed) 04:31:44 [Preview] No.33881 del
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If you consider the below formula that is typically applied to skill acquisition and apply it to IQ you might see something like this:

IQ = K+P+t

K= Knowledge: accessibility (a), neuropsych genetics (ng), and supportive environment/culture (se)

P = Practice: (se), (ng),

t = Talent: (ng)

Breaking the formula into weighted percentages to determine the best outcome (i.e. high IQ) will give different outcomes.

Bernd 01/08/2020 (Wed) 04:57:11 [Preview] No.33883 del

culture probably should be a stand alone variable as culture is more determining of how the knowledge is "slanted" towards interest. Whereas, se is more external to its impact on the IQ i.e. stable, safe, developmentally aware environment

Bernd 01/08/2020 (Wed) 20:38:46 [Preview] No.33894 del
>that's obviously disinformation pushed to keep people atheistic
The simulation theory doesn't necessarily imply atheism. We can't possibly know anything about the other universe that houses the simulation in the first place, so why make that assumption?

Shaddup Bernd 01/08/2020 (Wed) 23:20:17 [Preview] No.33895 del

Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 13:38:41 [Preview] No.33898 del
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Thx for the input it really helped

Bernd 06/10/2020 (Wed) 18:51:29 [Preview] No.37640 del
IQ tests is a completely flawed way of looking at "intelligence". When they first started doing iq tests women got higher scores and we cant bloody have that so they changed it.

My point is that we tend to have a very linear viewpoint instead of seeing it as a whole.

Bernd 06/12/2020 (Fri) 10:45:06 [Preview] No.37713 del
I agree but whatever way you do it would be flawed so it's the best we have. The problem with all kinds of test in general is that tests can be trained for.

Bernd 06/12/2020 (Fri) 20:39:29 [Preview] No.37720 del
Why should we measure "iq" in the first place?

The ability to actually think for yourself, to solve basic problems and to think logical (not the kind of logic they teach in schools) is something I would value.

Bernd 06/13/2020 (Sat) 14:11:10 [Preview] No.37761 del
It depends on proper nutrition, genes (which change and evolve over time), education and other external factors I'm not aware of.

If you consistently perfecten(?) your brain it'll get better. Germanics have high iq but they were poop compared to romans even though nowadays italy have lower iq. So iq genetically change over time.

Also smartness might get wasted due to repression. The West accepts the fact exceptional individuals think different and embrace their changes, atleast they used to be, but japan despite being smart, you have to obey your superiors, a scientist assistant taking initiative during an experiment and disregarding what the prof says, omg disrespectful! But in the west it's more first amongst equals. This was what my obsevations and things I hear from tourist friends.

This also explains why china invented lots of shit but didn't surpass rest of the world centuries ago.

If you don't allow exceptional individuals to rise, you will be WESTED.

Bernd 06/13/2020 (Sat) 14:19:50 [Preview] No.37763 del
Crabs-in-a-bucket and tall poppy syndrome are very hard to come over. If individual initiative isn't supported by the society, the others will drag you down.

Bernd 06/13/2020 (Sat) 14:33:11 [Preview] No.37767 del
"Let's drag people to avarage and let's approve or endorse each other, this is the key to the happiness"

One does need to realize this is how female hierarchy generally works, they tend to put forward the ones who sells the approval the most and tend to ignore the problems and that's why they are shittier in many aspects.

Meanwhile male hierarchy is generall sucess driven, we're more able to solve our problems as we talk about our problems for solution, not for 'understandment' and to connect people.

We need to get rid of any cultural aspect that refuses to talk and acknowledge our problems and drags us to avarage, encouraging exceptional people to put forward without completely disregarding stability. But my country does the opposite, no wonder we're fucked in so many levels.

Bernd 06/13/2020 (Sat) 15:11:45 [Preview] No.37774 del
Italy actually has a higher IQ in some statistics, it has something to do with the way that they do it. Some places like Britain will base their IQ testing on the average intelligence of Europe as a base whereas Italy often does not and uses a more global average which makes their test produce higher scores in comparison.

I agree though, it seems more to do with diet and education. But Chinese inventiveness is grossly overrated as well.

Bernd 06/14/2020 (Sun) 07:09:41 [Preview] No.37791 del
>diet and education
Wishful thinking or religious faith (in which I include contemporary "liberalism"). No, a few factors contribute but almost all pale in significance when compared to genetics. Just genetics and a reasonable healthy nutritional development at early age will give you a very accurate measure of intelligence approximation.

Bernd 06/14/2020 (Sun) 20:10:39 [Preview] No.37821 del
really big heada post right here fam

>Fist of the North Star is a copy of Bruce Lee

Well, Bruce Lee's been copied by tons of people tbh

Bernd 06/15/2020 (Mon) 05:23:37 [Preview] No.37832 del
Genius parents have retard kids and retard parents have genius kids all the time.
>b-but muh racial iq difference, im white im genius i swear

Bernd 06/15/2020 (Mon) 05:24:00 [Preview] No.37833 del
I meant to him >>37791

Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 01:56:09 [Preview] No.38033 del
There's a good thread on OOkuntop

Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 18:39:27 [Preview] No.38046 del
>all the time
No, they don't. Outlier retards happen. Outlier geniuses happen much less, but happen too. Mutations and exceptions happen, so what?
It would have been much more interesting if you mentioned "accelerative" and "regressive" (not correct English sorry) phenomenons which can happen too and are actually statistically observable, unlike your retards and geniuses.
Races differ in many aspects. IQ is clearly one of those. You have to be extraordinarily disingenuous to deny it.

Bernd 06/24/2020 (Wed) 18:35:23 [Preview] No.38061 del
I wasn't talking about literal retards and literal geniuses. In general populace IQ will fluctuate, lower IQ parents can give birth to higher IQ kids, and higher IQ parents can give birth to lower IQ parents. Or is there a (couple) paper that follows the IQ of families through generations and prove it otherwise?
And anyway what IQ tests researches use? The Mensa one?
But back to generations, diet and education can largely explain why a relatively high IQ parent would raise a relatively high IQ child. Getting higher income can ensure to consume better meals and visiting better schools (and the parents being smarter can demand their kids to learn more).
And when those researches were carried out which looked into the IQ of different races? I've seen some informationals floating around imageboards but can't remember the citations. But it's not just safe to say, but it is absolutely sure they aren't before the industrial revolution. In fact if we looking into intelligence testing it only goes back to the 19th century. Why is this important? Because by that time in European countries (and the States) people earned at least a couple of times of subsistence, resulting them getting to better diet, and schools were set up for wider masses that educated children in a way that is meaningful for IQ measurements (when children were raised in the family they were "educated" how to be hopefully moral adults and how to do the job their parents did).
And anyway what races? The three basic? Or do you calculate with the (what I call, not sure about the proper English term) "subraces" too? Europid is not one kind of people but many (e.g. atlanto-mediterranid, fenno-nordid, dinarid, baltid etc etc.), just like Mongoloid, or Negroid. Or would you lump together a nilotid with a bambutid? And what about such intermediates like berbers? And those who doesn't fit neither of the three large family? Of the races of the New World could very well have their own category? Were there investigation into their IQ? How was their IQ when some of them raised prosperous civilizations, and how is it now?

Bernd 06/26/2020 (Fri) 16:38:26 [Preview] No.38100 del
Behavioral differences (not just IQ and not just intelligence) between human populations being partially hereditary is an alluring explanation for the difficulty in integrating them and having them exhibit the same economic and social performance within diverse societies with highly successful and unsuccessful groups. Never looked much into its merits, though.

Bernd 06/26/2020 (Fri) 17:46:46 [Preview] No.38101 del
Cultural differences could be also blamed. Nowadays "culturalism" became a soft racism, I hear using it since about 2005 in that way. I think it's a shortcoming however that nowadays noone tries to explore either possibility (the role of race and culture in intelligence or behaviour) in a serious fashion.
I only have gypsies to observe, and on my account what I can tell is that Hungarians in similar societal situation as gypsies (in poverty and riddled with addictions, chiefly alcohol) aren't really violent, when they turn to illegal activities those are mostly minor swindles, petty theft, or dumpster diving... or get exploited by gypsy mafias (like using them as beggars or something). Gyppos are violent bydlo. The youth from Hungarian lumpenproletariat could turn into low level thugs of more or less organized criminal, half-criminal groups.
I really do believe if there were no gypsies in this country, crime, especially violent crime (from murder to breaking and entering) would fall sharply. It would be like taking a lungful of fresh air.

Bernd 06/27/2020 (Sat) 14:03:01 [Preview] No.38113 del
The mennonites is a good example.

I think an ignored factor is linear thinking. In a chaotic environment the brain never develops linear thinking (think russia), so long term thinking is never developed. Austrian empire and late austria-hungary is another good example. After it disintegrated chaos ensued in the former puppet states and stability has never formed.

Bernd 06/27/2020 (Sat) 18:51:52 [Preview] No.38114 del
Interesting notion. What do you think about languages? In your opinion can they influence/train the way of thinking?

Bernd 06/27/2020 (Sat) 19:07:28 [Preview] No.38115 del
>Cultural differences could be also blamed.
I’ve been a high school science teacher for a little under 10 years. I’ve primarily worked at poor urban schools with high Hispanic immigrant populations and I’ve loved most of my career. Yeah, some low points and difficult times but that’s everyone right?

The year I taught at a black inner city school almost made me leave the profession entirely. I was entering my 5th year teaching and I decided to take on a new challenge. Local inner city schools had been advertising turn around initiatives, and I decided to give it a go as the school I was at had successfully completed a turn around initiative started when I had first arrived. The two schools were very similar with one major difference. The proportion of students who were listed as “economically disadvantaged” (poverty) was the same at both schools but I was leaving primarily Hispanic to go to primarily Black.

The entire year was a complete disaster from beginning to end. I could probably write an entire book about the shit I saw there, but I’m just going to give you the highlights, starting from least to most serious.

Class was basically optional. Kids would walk in or out constantly, if they showed up at all. Any attempts to enforce any kind of rules about tardiness and truancy was usually met with “fuck you nigga”. And even if they did show up, they were rowdy and off task constantly. Very little education took place in that room. Or any of them rooms really. For example, one girl pulled out her phone, turned on some music, jumped on her desk and started dancing on top of the desk. I tried to get her down but she kept telling me “fuck you” over and over. This was at least weekly for her. This same little bitch also have a speech to the school board about the institutional forces that keep black people down. Before you accuse me of having shitty classroom management, I tried talking to my AP and my principal about what to do because I had never experienced anything like this. And they told me something I was going to hear repeatedly throughout the year. “It’s just their culture. You have to respect that.” It’s important to note that I was LITERALLY the only white male in the building. Almost every other adult was black with a few Hispanic men and another white woman. The black female principal with a PhD in education told me it’s just their culture and I have to respect that. Wow. I wish it ended there but it doesn’t.

Bernd 06/28/2020 (Sun) 06:41:07 [Preview] No.38117 del
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

― Theodore Dalrymple

Bernd 06/28/2020 (Sun) 08:32:53 [Preview] No.38119 del
>I’ve been a high school science teacher for a little under 10 years.
For the sake of the argument, I'm gonna pretend I believe you.
What you write is very interesting I see much parallel in the behaviour of the gypsies here. Which tells me that the behaviour isn't race specific, gypsies aren't Negroids. From your tale we can clearly see they don't get the education they should, hampering the development of their intellect, and we could deduce a couple of things, for example they most likely aren't conscious about their diet, while chicken is nice, most of what they consume is probably junk, and suffer from nutritional imbalances. The implication is also there that they have children relatively early and the pregnancy of those mothers is influenced by their fucked up diet and most likely substance abuse, resulting in worse human material to sample from.
The difference what I see - from what you write, I've no real knowledge on what is happening in American schools - is, that while in Hungary the problem just left not addressed, the American state spoils them further.
Since they pick up that behaviour in their "native" habitat, at home, in their neighbourhoods (I guess they live in all or almost all black areas) this could be classified as cultural. Your mistake aligns with the American liberal mistake, that you and them assume it is a native African culture. Furthermore American enablers think this culture have to be nurtured.
Elsewhere on this board I wrote that handling the gypsy problem could only be addressed at least somewhat successfully but can it be solved? by taking the children them out of this cultural background, raise them in strict order, instill them with positive habits, and help this generation raise their kids in this new paradigm. Those who are too old at the start of all this have to be sterilized and interned in labour camps, where they would spend the rest of their lives. In the US similar policies should be implemented.
And we are talking about the general populace. There are always individuals and even families who look for to break out from that environment on their own. This should be encouraged and they should be helped to get better chances. It's always better when people try to find a way out innately.

>not corresponds reality
That's a surprising realization. Someone should give some award to Mr. Dalrymple.

Bernd 06/28/2020 (Sun) 18:23:16 [Preview] No.38121 del
6 Principals of Secondary Education

Alexander Inglis's 1918 book, Principles of Secondary Education makes it clear that compulsory schooling in America was intended to be what it had been for Prussia in the 1820s. John Taylor Gatto explains that the work of Inglis's, who was a Harvard professor with a Teachers College Ph.D., positions school as a fifth column into the burgeoning democratic movement that threatened to give the peasants and the proletarians a voice at the bargaining table. Modern, industrialized, compulsory schooling was to make a sort of surgical incision into the prospective unity of these underclasses. Divide children by subject, by age-grading, by constant rankings on tests, and by many other more subtle means, and it was unlikely that the ignorant mass of mankind, separated in childhood, would ever reintegrate into a dangerous whole.

In his essay Against School and book The Underground History of American Education, Gatto explains the six basic functions of school outlined by Inglis.

6 basic functions of school

1) The adjustive or adaptive function.
Schools are to establish fixed habits of reaction to authority. This, of course, precludes critical judgment completely. It also pretty much destroys the idea that useful or interesting material should be taught, because you can't test for reflexive obedience until you know whether you can make kids learn, and do, foolish and boring things.

2) The integrating function.
This might well be called "the conformity function," because its intention is to make children as alike as possible. People who conform are predictable, and this is of great use to those who wish to harness and manipulate a large labor force.

3) The diagnostic and directive function.
School is meant to determine each student's proper social role. This is done by logging evidence mathematically and anecdotally on cumulative records. As in "your permanent record." Yes, you do have one.

4) The differentiating function.
Once their social role has been "diagnosed," children are to be sorted by role and trained only so far as their destination in the social machine merits - and not one step further. So much for making kids their personal best.

5) The selective function.
This refers not to human choice at all but to Darwin's theory of natural selection as applied to what he called "the favored races." In short, the idea is to help things along by consciously attempting to improve the breeding stock. Schools are meant to tag the unfit - with poor grades, remedial placement, and other punishments - clearly enough that their peers will accept them as inferior and effectively bar them from the reproductive sweepstakes. That's what all those little humiliations from first grade onward were intended to do: wash the dirt down the drain.

6) The propaedeutic function.
The societal system implied by these rules will require an elite group of caretakers. To that end, a small fraction of the kids will quietly be taught how to manage this continuing project, how to watch over and control a population deliberately dumbed down and declawed in order that government might proceed unchallenged and corporations might never want for obedient labor.

Bernd 06/28/2020 (Sun) 19:27:10 [Preview] No.38123 del
That's a load of silliness.
One can very well use the same school system to cultivate unity, team spirit and the sense of belonging into one community among children. For example with grading we can observe how children do and can redirect the ones who are better in a certain subject or activity to help out those who lag behind.
It's just "what do you wanna use it for". It's just a tool, you can drive in nails with a hammer and bash heads as well.

Bernd 06/29/2020 (Mon) 04:20:35 [Preview] No.38141 del
>Interesting notion. What do you think about languages? In your opinion can they influence/train the way of thinking?

Weaponizing the language closes the doors of human perception. Political correctness is only one such example.

Bernd 06/29/2020 (Mon) 05:19:48 [Preview] No.38145 del
Well yes, the words we use will have an impact. If you tell a kid all the time that he is stupid, he will turn into one.
I meant the grammar, the word building, the language inner logic... could these make ethnicities think differently?

Bernd 06/29/2020 (Mon) 07:05:10 [Preview] No.38147 del
If I start thinking about it yes language is often a mirror of the culture. German is a good example. Its a truth telling language to its extreme, well at least before the 1960's. Being honest, truthful has always been a virtue in german cultures as far as I know.

If we look at the east, it seems words can mean different things for different people. Its more fluid, less stringent it seems when it comes to truth.

The premise of Russian diplomacy is: ‘There is no truth, and therefore all that you say is a lie.’

I also remember an american ambassador to russia in the 1800's calling russia a nation of liars. Cant seem to find it.

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