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National-anarchism Bernd 01/11/2020 (Sat) 22:32:51 [Preview] No. 33980
What do you think about national-anarchism? I posted this on /pol/ but they just think it is kikery.

>National-anarchism is a radical anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist, right-wing ideology.[1][2] National-anarchists advocate a post-capitalist stateless society in which homogeneous communities of different ethnic or racial groups would be free to develop separately in their own tribal communes, named "national autonomous zones", that are politically meritocratic, economically mutualistic, ecologically sustainable, and socially and culturally traditional.
>The conservative revolutionary concept of the anarch, as articulated by German philosopher Ernst Jünger, is central to national-anarchism.[1] National-anarchists stress that the "artificial nationalism" of the nation-State, which they oppose, must be distinguished from the "natural nationalism" of the people ("volk"), which they believe, in its more consistent expressions is a legitimate rejection of both foreign domination (imperialism) and internal domination (statism). National-anarchists see modernity, liberalism, materialism, consumerism, immigration, multiracialism, multiculturalism and globalization as the primary causes of the social decline of nations and cultural identity.[1] They propose a strategic and ideological alliance of ethnic and racial nationalists and separatists around the world (especially in the Global South), neo-Eurasianists in Russia, Islamists in Muslim-majority countries and anti-Zionists everywhere to resist the New World Order—globalization viewed as an instrument of Jewish-dominated international banking and American imperialism—that is inevitably leading to global economic collapse and ecological collapse.[1][6]
>National-anarchism echoes most anarchist schools of thought by expressing a desire to reorganize human relationships, with an emphasis on replacing the hierarchical structures of the state and capitalism with local community decision-making. However, national-anarchists stress the restoration of the "Natural Order" and aim towards a decentralized social order where each new tribe builds and maintains a permanent autonomous zone for a self-sufficient commune, which is politically meritocratic, economically mutualistic, ecologically sustainable, and socially and culturally traditional.[1]
>Asserting the right to difference, national-anarchists publicly advocate a model of society in which communities that wish to practice racial, ethnic, religious and/or sexual separatism are able to peacefully coexist alongside mixed or integrated communities without requiring force.[13] They claim that "national autonomous zones" (NAZs) could exist with their own rules for permanent residence without the strict ethnic divisions and violence advocated by other forms of "blood and soil" ethnic nationalism.[13] Some leading national-anarchists, however, have stated in the past that they originally conceived the idea of establishing whites-only NAZs, which have seceded from the state's economy, — no-go areas for unwelcomed ethnic groups and state authorities — as an insurrectionary strategy to foment civil disorder and racial tensions as an essential prelude to racial civil war and the collapse of the capitalist system.[1][2]
>In terms of cultural and religious views, many national-anarchists are influenced by the radical traditionalism and spiritual racism of Julius Evola, who calls for a "revolt against the modern world".[2] Thus, they have a pessimistic vision of modern Western culture yet optimistically believe that the "decline of the West" will pave the way for its materialism to be expunged and replaced by the idealism of primordial tradition.[1] Although some national-anarchists adhere to a form of Identity Christianity, most reject Christianity because they believe it to be a Semitic religion that usurped the "Aryan" legacy of Mithraism as the historically dominant religion and moral system of the West.[1] They therefore embrace a spiritual anarchism based on different forms of neopaganism, occultism and ethnic mysticism, especially No


Bernd 01/11/2020 (Sat) 22:35:09 [Preview] No.33981 del
>>33980
>rdic racial paganism, which they view as genuine expressions of Western spirituality, culture and identity that can also serve as an antidote to the socially alienating effects of consumer culture. National-anarchists hold racial separatism and cultural revitalization through the establishment of confederations of autonomous neo-völkisch communes as the ultimate barrier against globalized racial mixing and cultural homogenization.[1]
>For its part, the National Anarchist Movement founded by Southgate states on its website:[14]
>Race-based politics have nearly always been the domain of Right-wing organisations. But the fact that National-Anarchists are prepared to address this thorny issue should not cause people to wrongly dismiss us as yet another Right-wing organisation committed to promoting 'white supremacy', because National-Anarchism itself transcends both Left and Right. We are not supremacist, racist, statist or totalitarian. In addition, the German National-Socialists and Italian Fascists of the twentieth century allied themselves with large banking interests and betrayed the more 'socialistic' aspects of their original programmes. We are genuine Anarchists and proud of the fact.
>American panarchist Keith Preston, a fellow traveller of the national-anarchist movement who promotes anarcho-pluralism,[15] argues that national-anarchism and classical American ideals of Jeffersonian democracy are reconcilable, despite the anti-Americanism of European national-anarchists and the patriotism of American paleoconservatives, because of their common values, namely regionalism, localism, agrarianism and traditionalism.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-anarchism


Bernd 01/11/2020 (Sat) 23:26:33 [Preview] No.33983 del
All kinds of anarchism are silly and won't even work. Small tribes can't really accomplish anything close to a modern life in these days and the system would collapse when one tribe decided it wants to expand and make a nation or a neighbouring nation decided it wants to invade. Tribalism isn't really anarchism to begin with though, there are still rules, authorities and positions it's just a primitive kind of government but it would of course evolve into a proper government if it was somehow left alone anyway.


Bernd 01/11/2020 (Sat) 23:32:15 [Preview] No.33984 del
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Bernd 01/12/2020 (Sun) 08:05:57 [Preview] No.33988 del
The most patrician from all the anarchism. I'd subscribe if wouldn't favor national-minarchism. I hate to say "I'm this or that" in a definitive manner because in the end I believe great many things can work just fine and livable, granted if people get into the positions where they belong, where they can function properly so it can be ensured the system can function properly. At least as frequently as possible. People are the building blocks of a system, if you build your house from turd, it will be turd.


Bernd 01/12/2020 (Sun) 09:06:49 [Preview] No.33990 del
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>What do you think about national-anarchism?

As with any anarchism, it is hard to properly maintain it in community larger than few dozens of people. So it is utopian.

Another interesting point is that there is no need for prefix "National". Considering what is written here, they just want ability to establish own communities with own rules, with some kind of global non-aggression pact and mutual interactions. Creating national/ethnic communities are automatically allowed with these rules, there is no need to talk about ethnic groups etc. This works in libertarianism or even just common anarchism (at least in some interpretations). Or maybe in classic liberalism when state power is limited.

Although I think it is interesting concept, at least it is better than typical socialistic "everyone is equal and society will force equality on everyone who don't like it".

>They propose a strategic and ideological alliance of ethnic and racial nationalists >neo-Eurasianists in Russia
>to resist the New World Order—globalization

There is nothing nationalistic or ethnic in any type of Eurasianism, even if it's adherents say otherwise. It is like alternative globalism for specific region. Views may be different of course, but Russian nationalism (or identitiarism, or what it is called now) is hardly compatible with Eurasian ideas. Same may be said for any ethnic group in post-USSR, not only for Russians.


Bernd 01/12/2020 (Sun) 14:24:47 [Preview] No.33993 del
>>33990
>Considering what is written here, they just want ability to establish own communities with own rules, with some kind of global non-aggression pact and mutual interactions. Creating national/ethnic communities are automatically allowed with these rules, there is no need to talk about ethnic groups etc. This works in libertarianism or even just common anarchism (at least in some interpretations).
Some forms of anarchism allow for the coexistence of different systems but in practice most consider other systems except their own to contain oppression and therefore have some provision that if a commune adopts an unacceptable system the others will have to suppress it and enforce the non-oppressive system. So in the anarcho-communist utopia one commune decides to become ancap the others will have to intervene and dismantle its system. The ancap utopia would be more lenient and accept the formation of communist societies but they, too, would draw the line at some point, like preventing the exit of people from the commune, and then decide it's no longer acceptable.
The core idea of forming homogeneous communities, or restrictive communities of any kind, is already possible for ancaps as property owners can voluntarily relinquish some of their individual rights to a "covenant community" which can expel members who breach the agreed rules and prohibit the entrance of undesired elements. The last point effectively allows any kind of segregation.


Bernd 01/13/2020 (Mon) 07:00:17 [Preview] No.34022 del
>>33990
How is national-minarchism different from national-anarchism? How large would independent national-minarchist states be? Could states be non-libertarian, such as racist or religiously fundamentalist?

>>33993
Many libertarians are culturally progressive and do not emphasize the right to form restrictive communities enough.


Bernd 01/13/2020 (Mon) 16:31:41 [Preview] No.34024 del
>>34022
>Many libertarians are culturally progressive
(Right) libertarianism isn't a full worldview with explanations for everything. All it has is some epistemology, economic thought and moral argumentation about coercion. Aside from contradictions with those three it always coexists with other belief systems explaining the rest of reality, because it has nothing to say about the rest. So the believer will also fill his mind with social progressivism, social conservatism or whatever else, and in fact will probably assume his preferred societal organization is necessary for the functioning of a free political order. Hans Hermann Hoppe deems absolute monarchies preferable to liberal democracies and is very conservative socially; so was Rothbard in many ways. The userbase of /liberty/ isn't progressive, either. So libertarians can even be "racist or religiously fundamentalist".
>and do not emphasize the right to form restrictive communities enough.
Hoppe emphasizes it a lot as a practical and desirable example of how libertarian societies would organize themselves.
Furthermore, there's a libertarian argument against open borders. As the state's property is stolen from its rightful owners the introduction of immigrants into state property, their reception of state funding and forced integration into native society only add insults such as trespassing to the original injury of theft. Hence a state restrictive of immigration breaches the NAP less than one with open borders.


Bernd 01/14/2020 (Tue) 16:05:48 [Preview] No.34039 del
>>34022
>national-minarchism
I assume I was addressed and not Rusbernd.
I'm not really an advocate of national-minarchism, but what little I know about minarchism itself, it seems from all these little political ideologies, that's what correlates/overlaps with what I think the most. Maybe.
>Could states be non-libertarian, such as racist or religiously fundamentalist?
I think the main criterion of a minarchy is the state, the state power, and state control has to be minimal, which means personal freedom plays an important part, so those ideologies which favors to deny this, probably won't match well.
I've no idea how racism come into this. Ethnostates can be minarchic. Are ethnostates racist? And define racism anyway...
Religiously fundamentalist? Would depend on religion, wouldn't it? An inherently hierarchical religion, e.g. Catholicism, won't be a good match. Some kind of shamanism, which don't have organized church, ... why not.



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