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Romanian has always been a romance language Bernd 06/03/2020 (Wed) 22:48:24 [Preview] No. 37202
A piece of misinformation frequently heard from Hungarians and their enablers is that "the Romanian language was invented in the 19th century", implying that before the 19th century Romanian was primarily a Slavic language. This is patently false, as I will demonstrate below. First, we have documents written and printed in Romanian from the 1500s, and the language used in them is not much different from the Romanian of today. When read aloud the language in these texts is easily understandable to a modern Romanian speaker, albeit sounding a bit archaic; still, it's slightly closer to modern Romanian than Shakespeare's English is to contemporary English. A snag that Hungarians try to capitalize on is that most of these documents were printed or written using the Romanian Cyrillic alphabet (see [4] for the set of characters) that was popular at the time, rendering them obscure and opaque to the modern reader, though some equally old documents were also printed using Latin characters (examples attached in the annex). Second, we have eyewitness accounts and testimonials from non-Romanian locals, scholars, and foreign travellers who came to Romania in the Middle Ages (such as Francesco della Vale and Antonio Maria del Chiaro) who wrote that Romanian is a romance language, noted some phrases in Romanian, and trace the origin of the Romanians to Roman Dacia.

I will now focus on an old document to demonstrate to you that Romanian was a romance language even in the 1500s. Attached in the first image is the first page from a book, a Homily (Evanghelie cu Învățătură) [1], [2] printed in 1581 in the Brașov workshop of the Romanian deacon Coresi, the first Romanian printer. It is by no means the first written or printed document in Romanian (in fact it was Coresi's last printed work), but it is sufficiently old for our purposes. The text is written in the Romanian Cyrillic alphabet; below is a transliteration of the page into Latin characters published in 1914 by Sextil Pușcariu [3], an eminent Romanian philologist. The transliteration translates the phonemes from Romanian Cyrillic into how they would be represented in modern Romanian orthography (e.g. чє → ce).

Here is the important part: I have indicated in bold all the words in the page that are of Slavic origin. The etymologies for each word were obtained from DEX, the Romanian Explicative Dictionary) [5]. As you can see, only a tiny minority of words are of Slavic origin. Out of 210 total words in the corpus, only 18 (9%) were Slavic, and out of 124 [i]unique[/i] words (meaning repetitions have been removed), only 16 (13%) were slavic. The vast majority are of Latin origin, with a few being Greek.


Bernd 06/03/2020 (Wed) 22:48:48 [Preview] No.37203 del
Cartea ce se cheamă Evanghelie cu învățătură, den tuspatru evanghelistii aleasă și den multe dumnezeești scripturi, și dată besearicei lui Dumnezeu, în toate Dumineci a se [b]ceti[/b], așijdere și la dumnezeeștile [b]praznice[/b] și la ale altora [b]sfinți[/b], spre învățătură creștinilor oameni cătră dereptarea sufletului și [b]trupului[/b]. Și cu ajutoriulu lu Dumnezeu tipărită această sfântă carte, Evanghelie cu învățătură, în anii și în zilele Măriei lu Batăru Criștovu, cu [b]mila[/b] lu Dumnezeu [b]Voevodă[/b] în toată țara ungurească și în Ârdealu și în toți Săcuii; și în zilele marelui de Dumnezeu 10 luminații arhiepiscopului Ghenadie, ce-au fostu spre totu despusulu Măriei lui, cu [b]mila[/b] lu Dumnezeu, [b]cârmitoriu[/b] legiei creștinească. Atunce eră despuitoriu în toată Țara-rumânească bunulu creștinii și dulce Mihnea [b]Voivodă[/b], și, spre despusulu Domniei lui, [b]cârmitoriu[/b] legiei creștine marele Serafimii, arhiepiscupulu. E cu ajutoriulu lu Dumnezeu și cu [b]voia[/b] acestoru tuturoru și a [b]sfatului[/b] mieu și alăltoru, eu [b]jupânulu[/b] Hâijilu Lucaciu, județulu Brașovului și a totu ținutulu Bârsei, [b]jăluii[/b] și dedu de le tipării în lauda tatălui și Fiului și [b]Duhului Sfântu[/b], în cetatea ținutului Domniei meale, în Brașovu. Şi se-au începutu această carte a se tipări după [b]întruparea[/b] fiului și cuvântulu lu Dumnezeu, la o mie 580, [b]a ot bitiia[/b] 7088, în luna lu Dechemvrie, 14 [b]dni[/b]. Şi se-au [b]săvârșiții[/b] lucrulu la o mie 581, [b]a ot bitiia[/b] 7089, în luna lu Iunie, 28 [b]dni[/b]. [The final sentence is an exaltation of God in Slavonic.]

The document ends with a brief exaltation of God ("Glory and honor to God", etc.) in Church Slavonic, which has been omitted from the analysis because it is not in Romanian. The Slavonic phrase "a ot bitiia" is a bit like the expression Anno Domini in English and means "from the making of the world", and has been omitted from the lexical analysis, as well as the formalism "dni" (day), removed because the corresponding Romanian "zi" is already attested in the docment and thus cannot be considered part of the Romanian language of the time.

Concerning the rest of the preface, Ioan-Aurel Pop [6], President of the Romanian Academy and Professor of History at Babeș-Bolyai University, reports that out of 1844 words in the preface, 1621 (87,90%) are of Latin origin, and 223 (12,10%) are of other origins, 166 (9%), being Slavic. Further, in an analysis of 15 Romanian texts from the 1500s he demonstrates that over 84% of their words are of Latin origin.

The source of this myth lies in the 19th century modernization of the Romanian vocabulary, when terms were borrowed for new concepts and others were updated, chiefly from French. Obviously the Hungarian myth is politically motivated in origin and meant to delegitimize Romanians.

In conclusion, I have demonstrated how the vast majority of the words in a sample Romanian text from the 1500s are of Latin origin, and provided additional evidence that Romanian was a romance language before the 19th century. Thus the myth that Romanian was not a romance language before the 19th century can be considered busted.

"Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known." - Luke 12:2

Bibliography:
[1] http://aleph23.biblacad.ro:8991/F/4MLRG3DG7QADKLFJH3CIV8YYY2GAMYD5L9TYPDDUXHLXYJGDCB-38694?func=full-set-set&set_number=008665&set_entry=000010&format=999
[2] Original source for the full document was the Bucharest Digital Library http://digibuc.ro, but the site is now down.
[3] https://archive.org/details/CarteCuInvatatura.Volumul1.Textul_1581/page/n4/mode/1up
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Cyrillic_alphabet
[5] https://dexonline.ro/
[6] Pop, Ioan-Aurel. "Despre latinitatea limbii române." Limba Română 232.3-4 (2015): 9-23. Available: http://www.diacronia.ro/ro/indexing/details/A20544/pdf


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 01:35:57 [Preview] No.37205 del
Romania is the France if the east.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 05:27:42 [Preview] No.37207 del
Yes. Because you guys came from next to Albania, which was Illyria a quite early and important Roman province, where Latin left deep impression.
And your statement furthers the point it was never Dacian, in fact no Dacian words can be found in Romanian, there is no continuity.
I won't spend more time arguing with you about this, I already proved in another thread that anything you say can be countered. You can sperg in this thread any amount you want, maybe it would be a good idea to collect all the so called evidence in one place.

>>37205
Second France is the Ukraine. Romania is Second Spain. >>20370


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 05:29:43 [Preview] No.37208 del
>>37207
I meant not Albania itself was Illyria, but the general area where Vlahs came from belonged to those parts, which was Illyria province for a while.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 09:18:33 [Preview] No.37210 del
>>37207
He had been posting same shit for 10 years, he isn't interested in any discussions.
Bogdan is also dumb as rock.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 09:43:12 [Preview] No.37211 del


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 10:23:05 [Preview] No.37212 del
>>37210
Is Bogdan paid to post all this anti-Hungarian stuff? What if he's an actual shill that now only goes on KC to push anti-Hungarian sentiment?


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 10:34:50 [Preview] No.37213 del
>>37207
>Yes.
Wonderful! I accept your defeat.

>Because you guys came from next to Albania
Prove it.

You're repeating arguments that have literally been debunked 150 years ago, btw. Is that what they teach you in school, zoom zoom?

Luckily we have a new type of evidence that was not available to them 150 years ago (even though what they had already sufficed, and in addition to the damning archeological evidence that's been uncovered): Romanians and Albanians are not similar genetically.

>I won't spend more time arguing with you about this
Because you would lose.

>I already proved in another thread that anything you say can be countered
You have a very selective memory. So my OP can be countered?


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 10:36:26 [Preview] No.37214 del
>>37212
>Is Bogdan paid to post all this anti-Hungarian stuff?
No.

>only goes on KC to push anti-Hungarian sentiment
Of course the truth is anti-Hungarian, there's nothing they hate and kvetch about more.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 10:59:44 [Preview] No.37217 del
>>37214
Well wasn't that quick?
I'm suspecting you're tied to Dvach's ownership in some way, there are known Kremlinbots that spam anti-white propaganda on English boards. Anti-Hungarian propaganda falls under the same category.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 12:03:14 [Preview] No.37221 del
>>37217
Debunking anti-Romanian propaganda from Hungarians is not anti-Hungarian propaganda.

>Dvach
I don't like R*ssians, and vice versa.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 14:09:35 [Preview] No.37223 del
>>37221
Then you're on a Chinese payroll, they're in on it too. I know China's buying up the Balkans, don't lie.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 14:45:46 [Preview] No.37226 del
>>37210
True.

>>37212
If he was paid that would explain a lot. Two types of person does one thing day-in-day-out for a decade. Compulsive and the one who get payed for it.

>>37213
What defeat? It was never a question that Romanian language has Latin roots.

And now that we are talking defeat...
In the past 500 years, Hungary:
- was torn into three peaces
- lost independence
- occupied by the Ottomans
- lost the war of independence in the 18th century
- lost the war of independence in the 19th century
- lost WWI
- was plundered and maimed after WWI
- lost WWII
- was plundered and maimed again
- suffered the suppression of national thought through 40 years of communism
- lost war of independence in the 20th century
Meanwhile Romania in the past 500 years:
- gained independence
- in the 19th century the parts were unified
- won WWI
- got half of Hungary
- plundered Hungary
- finished WWII on the winning side
- got parts of Hungary again
- national thought was nurtured throughout the communism
Still Romania is nowhere in better situation than Hungary. Poetic really. All our ordeal is just another trial, all Romania's win is a defeat.
To be honest all those Romanians in Erdély would have a better life if Erdély was still part of Hungary.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 15:34:33 [Preview] No.37228 del
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>>37226
>Still Romania is nowhere in better situation
than Hungary.

It will be in your lifetime, though. :)


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 15:35:57 [Preview] No.37229 del
>>37226
>To be honest all those Romanians in Erdély would have a better life if Erdély was still part of Hungary.

Considering how you treat the Romanians in Hungary, I highly doubt it. If anything Hungarians would be treated better if Hungary joined Romania, with all their privileges.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 15:37:23 [Preview] No.37230 del
>>37226
>Erdély
What's that? The name in English is Transylvania. Do you also write Németország instead of Germany?


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 18:36:53 [Preview] No.37231 del
>>37226
>It was never a question that Romanian language has Latin roots.
It's ok, I know how you hunjews operate, you are just like kikes, tomorrow you will claim the opposite and deny ever having stated this.


Bernd 06/05/2020 (Fri) 00:24:37 [Preview] No.37237 del
>>37226
Bogdan might've been originally anti-Hungarian, but maybe recently he's gotten bankrolled by China or Israel to step it up a hundredfold. He's either a NEET, a gypsy, or is on a govenrment bankroll.


Bernd 06/05/2020 (Fri) 05:31:48 [Preview] No.37241 del
>>37237
>He's either a NEET, a gypsy, or is on a govenrment bankroll.
There's a joke waiting to be made with one of those three.



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