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Bernd 06/06/2020 (Sat) 22:50:12 [Preview] No. 37295
The truth of why Japan and the United States have taken a stand against each other at ww2.

the Origins of anti japan statement , propaganda and cover story.

"Politics of Manchuria china during ww2 was triggered of it."

just everything was politics, business and money matters.
do not be naive goy, war criminals or such things was commercialism for the people and does not relate the fact of this.

Let’s see ...

It was after china-japan war,
Russia sent troops into Manchuria china.

Japan and the United States had such a strong sense of crisis by this act of Russia.

Because Manchuria was seen by USA as a next important geopolitical place after Hawaii and the Philippines was rulled.

and Japan also needed Manchuria as a defense line to protect the mainland from Russia.

The United States and UK decided to support Japan during the Japan-Russia war in Meiji 37.

And they helped japan to have the peace process with Russia because USA wanted the interests of Manchuria,

After the conclusion of the peace treaty between japan and Russia,
American railway king Edward Henry Harman had 100 million yen in financial support and investing to the Dalian railway, which Japan gained from Russia.
And he asked japan to manage it together and business together!
A lot of other American banker and business man was related about this business as well.


Katsura Taro, the prime minister of japan at that time welcomes and accepts Harman's proposal.

However, the foreign minister, Jutaro Komura, who returned home from the UK,
He thought USA will gradually invade japan from Manchuria.
Because he went UK and he knew what will happn after those deals with Anglos. Such as in India.

So japan break the Harman's offer.

the sudden destruction of the deals made HUGE Harman's ANGER.

Since then, Japan and the United States against each other.


Bernd 06/06/2020 (Sat) 22:51:10 [Preview] No.37296 del
>>37295
USA did hardest economical sanctions on japan after that.

Japan lost the supply of oil,iron and many other materials. So quickly became almost dead nation,

Japan have to went parl harbor attack to destroy the supply chain of USA military and base of hawaii which is very near and big risk for japan for self defense.

And japan went to south east Asia to get the oil of there to survives.

And USA also failed the plan of having Manchuria with japan as colony.

so USA needed to do shows the power of the atomic bomb to make the situation of Cold War To avoid full contact war with Soviet.
>To make the "artificial peace by the Deterrence of the atomic bomb".

So Two Atomic bomb was dropped on japan.

After atomic bomb , USA have to justify it.
So at Tokyo court, invented the system of "The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal"
with china to bash Japanese for the justification of victors of ww2.

And actually only real Japanese biggest war criminals was ROMUSHA (forced worker ) in Indonesia.
Comfort woman is paid prostituter and Nanking and united 731 was exaggerated propaganda made by China and soviet but ROMUSHA was real war criminals made by japan.

But colonial west also made SEAsisn forced worker nearly 500years, so they could not blame it.

So Nanking , unit 731 and comfort woman have to made as propaganda to justify the atomic bomb.

And UN was made to protect the benefit of the victor nation of ww2 included mao China and soviet which is perfect worse war criminals ...
And it’s hypocritical situations of UN are continued even now.

I’m not angry about it to USA at all now.

But this meaning just everything was started by the politics of the Manchuria,

In fact until ww1,
Japan ,UK and USA was all ally!
WW1 japan was nothing but a Empire of japan as well!

War criminals or such are not related at all, It’s just COVER STORY and commercialisim for the people,
Commercialisim and propganda was needed for the system of democracy

Do not be naive and do not believe propaganda about war crime.


Bernd 06/06/2020 (Sat) 22:53:07 [Preview] No.37297 del
>>37296
>>37295
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

In the ideology of after ww2 , The winner writes new laws and new laws say ""the loser is the only war criminals"'' even if victor nations are also nothing but a war criminals such as soviet Stalin, China,USA ,UK and France.

""The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal. ""

wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as "war criminals".

Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals"

France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

Concept of war criminals itself is full of hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two a lot worse Mao and Stalin!. Which were considered to be on the side of the victors. Also the user of two atomic bomb.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War. (Google organization of 'justice for laidaihan" which for the Vietnamese victims of massacres and rape by korean at Vietnam war, they are asking Compensation from Korea even now.)

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started right now in this very century.

both of Japan and Germany are perfectly harmless and doing our best for the contribution of the world after ww2 until now.

Some country is using ideology of "war criminals" of ww2,taking diplomatic advantage and endless compensation money from loser nation of ww2.

how much huge amount of money we paid as compensation and how much apologize to the korean and how much we support of korean teacnology and economy after ww2 until now.

And look at chinese aggression and compere.

Pls don’t miss the enemy. Germany or japan is not the enemy at all.

Even look at UN

Chinese money is controlling UN and they never blame chinese massacre of Tibet and Uyghur.

And instead of it , UN is blameing japan and Germany about ww2 even now.

""UN is made to protect the benefit of the winner of ww2 "".

Ideology after ww2 which endlessly blameing japan and Germany even now is outdated and pointless since chinese aggressions ,massacre of Tibet and Uyghur are started right now in this very century.

UN Enemy State Clause

The Enemy State Clause of UN is a passage of article 53 and 107 as a half sentence of article 77 of the UN Charter. Thus all "enemy nations", those which have lost Second World War, will face consequences for "aggressive behaviour" from the other UN states. These consequences can be enforced without permission of the Security Council by any state. The measures include military interventions. An enemy state is "any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory to the present Charter".

UN Enemy State Clause - Wikipedia

UN is made to set up the ideology after ww2.

UN is made to set up the ideology for the victor nation of ww2.

UN Enemy State Clause are never rejected even now.

""What USA (and everyone else of the top elite of this entire world) care is just only international politics and business matter from the first until now. except it, everything is ideology , comarcialisim and propaganda to do operating and manege it.""


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 00:51:13 [Preview] No.37298 del
Japan did far worse than just ROMUSHA, although I agree that comfort women are actually not as bad as people think as prostitution and indentured prostitution was actually heavily institutionalised within Asia(including Japan) and Japan just acted within that frame work(most of the time, there were exceptions).

The problem with the Japanese was that they were only a relatively new country to the international stage and had been fairly uncivilised not that long ago, they didn't have the centuries of diplomacy and warfare which Europe had used to foster notions of chivalry and to establish codes of martial law, so when they invaded China, there were no niceties involved.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:02:26 [Preview] No.37299 del
>>37298
>The problem with the Japanese was that they were only a relatively new country to the international stage and had been fairly uncivilised not that long ago, they didn't have the centuries of diplomacy and warfare which Europe had used to foster notions of chivalry and to establish codes of martial law, so when they invaded China, there were no niceties involved.

This is typical westen centerisim and what westen wish to think
In reality western nations in war was nothing different of japan in war or it could be worse


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:03:04 [Preview] No.37300 del
>>37298
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as >"war criminals".
>Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals" ?
>France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

>Concept of war criminals itself is full of >hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2
The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two big warcriminals Mao and Stalin!. Also the user of atomic bomb, Which were considered to be on the side of the victors.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War.

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started.

both of Japan and Germany are perfectly harmless and doing our best for the contribution of the world after ww2 until now.

Some country is using ideology of "war criminals" of ww2,taking diplomatic advantage and endless compensation money from loser nation of ww2 such as japan and Germany.


And how much huge amount of money we paid as compensation and how much apologize to the korean and how much we support of korean teacnology and economy after ww2 until now.

And look at chinese aggression and massacre of now and compere with it.

Pls don’t miss the enemy. Germany or japan is not the enemy at all.

Even look at UN
Chinese money is controlling UN complitely and they never blame chinese massacre of Tibet and Uyghur.
And instead of it , UN is blameing japan and Germany about ww2 even now.

""UN is made to protect the benefit of the winner of ww2 "".

Ideology after ww2 which endlessly blameing japan and Germany even now is outdated and pointless since chinese aggressions are started.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:05:35 [Preview] No.37301 del
>>37298
Wake up from western hypocrisy

The GIs who raped France:

The soldiers who landed in Normandy on D-Day were greeted as liberators, but by the time American G.I.’s were headed back home in late 1945, many French citizens viewed them in a very different light.

One resident stated that "With the Germans, the men had to camouflage themselves—but with the Americans, we had to hide the women."

In total, it is estimated that some 14,000 women were raped by American GIs in Western Europe from 1942 to 1945.
An estimated 20,000 civilians were killed in the battle for Normandy, and in Le Havre alone, 3,000 had died.
Angry officials pointed out that while thousands of French dead had been hauled from the rubble, no more than ten German bodies had been found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France



The US/Allies killed 50,000 French civilians.
(modern historian say 80,000 to 120,000.)

>It is estimated that the bombings in Normandy before and after D-Day caused over 50,000 civilian deaths.
>"It was profoundly traumatic for the people of Normandy. Think of the hundreds of tons of bombs destroying entire cities and wiping out families. But the suffering of civilians was for many years masked by the over-riding image, that of the French welcoming the liberators with open arms."[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Normandy

1944 D-day - Bombing Normandy Before the Invasion
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pe8h21rP2KA [Embed] [Open]



The US air force killed 40,000 Chinese civilians in Wuhan during WW2

Bombing of Wuhan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wuhan#Bombing_of_Wuhan

>One week before Christmas in 1944, nearly 200 American planes raided the Chinese city of Wuhan.
>According to casualty statistics compiled by Hankou city in 1946, more than 20,000 were killed or injured, 7,515 buildings were bombed. Chiang Kai-shek in his diary admitted to 40,000.
>LeMay was pleased, declaring this his first experience with firebombing as a tactical weapon to be a successful experiment.

>The firebombing of Wuhan drew little attention internationally and was censored in the Chinese press.
>Compared with Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Tianjin and Qingdao, the destruction in Wuhan was considerably worse.


Nordhausen (Boelcke-Kaserne concentration camp):
1,500 Jewish inmates killed by American/British air raids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Nordhausen_in_World_War_II


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:08:03 [Preview] No.37302 del
>(most of the time, there were exceptions).

The USA national histrians team (IWG) themselfs concluded comfort woman was paid military prostituter.

This is survey of the IWG national historians team of USA.
This is not Japanese denial of war crimes.


The IWG published a report focused on the Japanese war crime titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why the documents of japanese war criminals include about comfort women documents were scarce.

https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg
/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-e
ssays.pdf

"Licensed prostitution was legal in prewar Japan, and Allied officials viewed the small part of the overseas system they uncovered as an extension of homeland practices. Prosecuting Japanese soldiers for rape, a notorious crime everywhere the army set foot, took precedence over investigating the circumstances of “comfort women,” who were seen as professional prostitutes, not as unwilling victims coerced into brothels by employees of the Japanese military."

This analysis is in line with the "Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report 49" written in 1944, which describes "A 'comfort girl' to be nothing more than a prostitute or 'professional camp follower' attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers."

The report further stated that this practice was not charged with criminal acts.
"In part to reduce local resentment against Japan and in part to prevent the spread of venereal disease among its ranks, the Japanese military contracted private vendors to set up “comfort stations” for the troops as early as 1932. Again, this practice was known to the Allies but no criminal can harges were filed at the trials."

the IWG expressed disappointment at the preface of the report because the IWG uncovered and released very few Asian theatre records.
thus, the IWG apologized to the Global Alliance for Preserving the History of WWII in Asia,which was involved in the commencement of this project.


Point is here.
korean was telling the story of mass kidnaping, massacre and mass rape of comfort woman but in reality they were paid military prostituters.

Also doing the prostitution to support family was very common things in korea at that time, even before japan rule.

here is the evidence of the comfort woman had really high payments.
A former Korean comfort women participated in a trail in 1992 that they wanted us to refund the money she collected at that time to the Japanese post office.
26,145 yen (now converted about 40 million yen) which we deposited 12 times from June 1943 to September 1945.

At the time, salary details of about 40,000 were submitted to the Japanese court in 1993 by a wartime comfort woman herself.


40,000 is equivalent to 20 million yen nowadays. That’s staggering.

Monthly income comparison (1943)
· Prime Minister 800 yen Tojo Hideki
· General Army 550 yen
· Sergeant Chair 32 ~ 75 yen
· Sergeant Armament 23 ~ 32 yen
· Corporal, 20 Yen
· Heavyweight commander 13,5 yen
· Secondary soldier 10,5 yen
· First class soldier 9 yen
· Second Nurse Secondary 9 ~ 6 yen
The comfort women at the time repaid the parent's debt after being prepaid 300-1500 yen. You can see how much that’s worth by comparing it to the list above.

Salary details of comfort woman was recorded even by the survey of USA, Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49 (1944)
These are also official documents of USA national archives.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Japanese_Prisoner_of_War_Interrogation_Report_49

The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. """This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred yen. """ .


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:11:24 [Preview] No.37303 del
Why does Korea insist that the Japanese never apologised nor compensated for their actions, even to this day?
Here is the summary of the all the money japan has paid to korea until now.

""Because ton of monies are involving in this issue.""

At 2018 again the Korean government decided to force Japan to pay $24 billion with the money coming from the 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. Korea tries to force this as compensation for WW2.
Each of the "220,000"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".

South Korea already forcefully seize the property of some of Japanese companies in Korea at 2018.(crazy but this is the reality.)

korean is always saying what they need is apologize from japan, then why they are keep on asking such a stupidly huge amount of the money again and again even at 2018.This is the hypocritical act of them

""They commercials to the world to get money and diplomatic advantage from Japan endlessly.""
The only reason? Money.

This is the summary of the all the money japan has paid to korea until now.
1965 in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.
The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.

And Japan's private assets in Korea amount to 5.3 billion dollars (1.98 trillion yen, about 15 trillion yen now converted) was given for free.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japan_and_the_Republic_of_Korea

Also at that time , Infrastructure improvement introduced in Korea by Japanese tax was【60 trillion yen】.
And japan give up all of those investments and private assets in Korea.

and 1994 The Asian Women's Fund
"$40million" was provided by the Government of Japan. and "$5million"was donated by the people of Japan.

And 2015 , the Japan-korea agreements made over comfort women. "Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."

Also, When Korean keep on saying that japan never apologize officially even once, its completely lie.

If these are not the apologize then what is the apologize means?

Example of Japanese apologizes

The Asian Women's Fund also abbreviated to アジア女性基金 in Japanese, was a fund set up by the Japanese government in 1994 to distribute monetary compensation to comfort women in South Korea.

Read well here
Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the prime minister, stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."

And Approximately ¥600 million ($5 million) was donated by the people of Japan and a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan was paid
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Women%27s_Fund

Example of Japanese apologize 2

2015 agreements of comfort woman.
Official apologies from Shinzō abe at 2015.

Read well here

The issue of comfort women, with an involvement of the Japanese military authorities at that time, was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of large numbers of women, and the Government of Japan is painfully aware of responsibilities from this perspective. As Prime Minister of Japan, Prime Minister Abe expresses anew his most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women.and "
and Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
https://www.mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/kr/page4e_000364.html

Also We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:12:53 [Preview] No.37304 del
>>37303
>>37298
in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty, the following words are written. "Confirm that post-war processing will be complete and ultimately resolved" (Article 2, Article 1 of the Agreement)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japan_and_the_Republic_of_Korea

and in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.

Also Japan's private assets in Korea amount to 5.3 billion dollars (1.98 trillion yen, about 15 trillion yen now converted) was given for free.

However, after the conclusion of the treaty, South Korea utilized the money from Japan for national development without paying individuals for compensation. And never informed about it to the own korean people.

Japan insisted that would pay reparations to the Korean individuals, but it was the Korean government back then who rejected it.

There is no doubt that the economic growth of Korea, which was said to be "the Han River's miracle", was made with the liquidation paid for this and North and South Korea as the driving force.>>

Also at that time , Infrastructure improvement introduced in Korea by Japanese tax was【60 trillion yen. And the Korean government surprisingly, has not informed the people about even this treaty itself. Is it to conceal what was diverted to national development without paying to individuals? Or maybe it is to aim for an increase in Japanese hate within the Korean people? Or perhaps both? For that reason, Korea still considers that Japan is not fulfilling its promise and is outraged.
Also, they are suing for damages that ended in Japan, and this is creating one of the big gaps between Japan and Korea. I think that it is necessary to know this well as well as Korean citizens and Japanese people.

Incidentally, this amount of compensation is for all areas of the Korean Peninsula, they took money for North Korea from Japan and used it for South Korea and they’re still asking compensation from japan, even now! That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.


Newest agreements about comfort woman was 2015.
Announcement by Foreign Ministers of Japan and the Republic of Korea at the Joint Press Occasion
You can see everything here
https://www.mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/kr/page4e_000364.html
the Japanese paid repeatedly during 2015, with the Korea-Japan agreements made over comfort women.
"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
Almost all the old comfort woman took the money and accepted the agreements at the time of president park, but the Korean media hid it.

Korean government did those:
1. Paid 10 million yen to surviving comfort women based on the Korea-Japan Agreement and paid 2 million yen to the families of dead comfort women.

2. Three-quarters of surviving comfort women, 36 out of 47 people, accepted. Of these, 34 had already received aid.

3. Of the family members of 199 dead comfort women, they also accepted the bereaved families of 68 people.

Comfort women and their families accepted and reconciled the money as a problem with the Korea-Japan Agreement, but only President Moon has provoked and instigated trouble, as if the agreement had problems.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:13:55 [Preview] No.37305 del
AGAIN!
>>37298
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as >"war criminals".
>Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals" ?
>France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

>Concept of war criminals itself is full of >hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2
The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two big warcriminals Mao and Stalin!. Also the user of atomic bomb, Which were considered to be on the side of the victors.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War.

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started.

both of Japan and Germany are perfectly harmless and doing our best for the contribution of the world after ww2 until now.

Some country is using ideology of "war criminals" of ww2,taking diplomatic advantage and endless compensation money from loser nation of ww2 such as japan and Germany.


And how much huge amount of money we paid as compensation and how much apologize to the korean and how much we support of korean teacnology and economy after ww2 until now.

And look at chinese aggression and massacre of now and compere with it.

Pls don’t miss the enemy. Germany or japan is not the enemy at all.

Even look at UN
Chinese money is controlling UN complitely and they never blame chinese massacre of Tibet and Uyghur.
And instead of it , UN is blameing japan and Germany about ww2 even now.

""UN is made to protect the benefit of the winner of ww2 "".

Ideology after ww2 which endlessly blameing japan and Germany even now is outdated and pointless since chinese aggressions are started.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:16:44 [Preview] No.37306 del
>>37298
But thank you for some part of your understanding and research of the truth behind the ideology and propaganda after ww2.
I appreciate about it at least.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:35:20 [Preview] No.37307 del
Anyway In this thread. Main subject is not decide which was worse japan or western nations in ww2 or so.

BUT MAIN SUBJECTS IS THAT THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN WW2 EVEN WESTERN ALLIES SIDE OR JAPAN OR GERMANY

CONCEPT OF WAR CRIMINALS IS MADE BY THE IDEOLOGY AFTER WW2 AND FULL IF HYPOCRITICAL SITUATIONS.

And Comintern and communists side is using this situation to make a destruction of the TIES between japan and west by the ideology after ww2

Do not believe the concept of war criminals anymore


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 01:36:39 [Preview] No.37308 del
>>37307
deology after ww2 which endlessly blameing japan and Germany even now is outdated and pointless since chinese aggressions ,massacre of Tibet and Uyghur are started right now in this very century.

UN Enemy State Clause

The Enemy State Clause of UN is a passage of article 53 and 107 as a half sentence of article 77 of the UN Charter. Thus all "enemy nations", those which have lost Second World War, will face consequences for "aggressive behaviour" from the other UN states. These consequences can be enforced without permission of the Security Council by any state. The measures include military interventions. An enemy state is "any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory to the present Charter".

UN Enemy State Clause - Wikipedia


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 03:33:59 [Preview] No.37312 del
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Hi Japan. How are u? :)

>>37301
>The US/Allies killed 50,000 French civilians.

They did that pretty much anywhere they went like the Soviets. Not even the United Kingdom was exempt from it. Poland was also treated badly during the war, which is UNACCEPTABLE

They also bombed your entire country from the time the war started until it ended. They killed almost a million in your country. Most of the bombings were done on civilian targets though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan


Here's a good book on Japan and China before WWII happened that explains your initial post and goes into more detail about it.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4518375&view=1up&seq=15


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 03:41:03 [Preview] No.37314 del
>>37312
Thank you so much. Yes but subject if this thread is not mainly subject who is more worse or more evil but just tells there is no "Justice side" in ww2 at all.

But can you Pls tell me how allies and USA destroyed Poland at ww2 as like USA destroyed French?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 03:44:07 [Preview] No.37315 del
Both Axis and allies are equal evil in ww2.

there is no "justice" in ww2.

Killing civilians in order to end a war is evil, period. It's the same logic nazis used in the bombing of Rotterdam or blitz, allies were no better than nazis or empire of japan.

If you were an anarcho-capitalist, you'd understand that there's no justification for the use of nuclear weapons under the non-aggression principle. Read Rothbard's War, Peace and the State.

>But another answer that the libertarian is particularly equipped to give is that while the bow and arrow and even the rifle can be pinpointed, if the will be there, against actual criminals, modern nuclear weapons cannot. Here is a crucial difference in kind. Of course, the bow and arrow could be used for aggressive purposes, but it could also be pinpointed to use only against aggressors. Nuclear weapons, even "conventional" aerial bombs, cannot be. These weapons are ipso facto engines of indiscriminate mass destruction. (The only exception would be the extremely rare case where a mass of people who were all criminals inhabited a vast geographical area.) We must, therefore, conclude that the use of nuclear or similar weapons, or the threat thereof, is a sin and a crime against humanity for which there can be no justification.

Also

Provoking of japan To made PH atteck.

provoking Japan so much to made them into the war. like America did with every other country you went to war with since then.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McC

ollum_memo

The memo outlined the general situation of several nations in World War II and recommended an eight-part course of action for the United States to take in regard to the Japanese Empire in the South Pacific, suggesting the United States provoke Japan into committing an "overt act of war".[2] The memo illustrates several people in the Office of Naval Intelligence promoted the idea of goading Japan into war:[3] "It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado [...] If by [the elucidated eight-point plan] Japan could be led to commit an overt act of war, so much the better."

>Implying the (((US government))) didn’t goad Japan into war

Killing civilians in order to end a war is evil, period. It's the same logic nazis used in the bombing of Rotterdam or blitz, allies were no better than nazis or empire of japan.

Dropping two atomic bomb was biggest human body experiments and clearly one of the biggest war criminals of entire human history, nothing better than other war criminals.

America wanted to try out both a uranium bomb and a plutonium bomb.

Dropping only one nuke would have been enough, and Japan was already negotiated and salendered and makeing statements but this was never an option and America igonred it and hurry to drop other atomic bomb for the resurch pourpose.

otherwise the USA would have given them more than two lousy days to surrender. After Germany surrendered they realized Japan was their last chance to use their expensive bomb in combat, so they reacted quickly.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 03:45:20 [Preview] No.37316 del
>>37315
Parl harbor can't be the excuse of two nuke and carpet bomb of Tokyo and Osaka and other carpet bombing of Japanese city.

Let’s see how many "civilians" were killed and compere.

>Pearl Harbor killed 68civilians are killed.

68civilians (other victims are all soldiers.)

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Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed 300,000 civilians

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Bombing of Tokyo

75,000–200,000 civilian deaths; roughly 1,000,000 displaced

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Bombing of Osaka

10,000 civilians died

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Bombing of Nagoya

113,460 buildings were destroyed during the raids, with 3,866 people killed and 471,701 driven from their homes.

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Bombing of Kobe

8,841 were confirmed to have been killed in the resulting firestorms, which destroyed an area of three square miles and included 21% of Kobe's urban area. At the time, the city covered an area of 14 square miles (36 km²). More than 650,000 people had their homes destroyed, and the homes of another million people were damaged.

On 5 June that same year, Kobe was bombed again. Incendiaries dropped from 530 bombers destroyed 3.8 square miles (9.8 km2) of the city, and 51% of the built-up area of the city was damaged

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Bombing of Yokohama

8000 ~10000 were killed.

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Bombing of Kyouto

100 were killed

(They didn't bombed Kyoto harder becouse it was plan of nuke Kyoto.)

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Bombing of Nagasaki omutra

500 were killed

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Battle of Okinawa

From 77,166 killed to 110,000 killed (US estimate)

More than 7,000 captured

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Still much more countless city of Japan was mass bombing by USA and two atomic bomb.

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https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAttack_on_Pearl_Harbor%23cite_note-Gailey1995-10

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>Civilians killed: 68

>sixty-eight

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But again, modern Japanese does not care about past about ww2,

It’s ended 70 years ago, and Japanese think already compensated and apologies enough. Also we don’t endlessly blame and anger to Others , to get diplomatic advantage from others as like "other country does". So don’t worry and take it easy.

Let’s drink our sake and pls build up good relationships Each other and let’s do not repeat our mistake each other and keep our good relationships.



This is what Japanese is thinking about atomic bomb.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 03:51:22 [Preview] No.37317 del
>>37312
Thank you for your information and contributions of the thread.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 03:57:32 [Preview] No.37318 del
>>37295
http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=83

General McArthur of GHQ himself was saying ww2 of japan was doing "Self defense war" Not a war for the invading. McArthur Was defending own clan as shogun.
Gen. MacArthur "Japan fought for self-defense" - A message to Dennis Prager (http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=83)
Dear Dennis
On Prager 20110623 -1 Pulling the Ripcord
You cited on your program last week General MacArthur's demand for invading China during Korean War and said it was no good. I am not sure which side you are on - The idea of going after Red China which was a weaponry warehouse for North Korea was not good or Truman's decision to stop it was no good.
Anyway, you should have gone deeper and address his motive and reasoning. We, Japanese, of course, know why he wanted to go after China, because we had been there. We were fighting communism for our self-defense.
Soon after MacArthur became the de facto ruler of Japan, he realized Japan's position. He was in our shoes. Only then, he realized what we felt - tide of danger coming toward the island nation from China and then from US, Brits, Netherlands, etc..
That's why MacArthur said what he said in congress as follows.
Senator HICKENLOOPER: Guestion No.5:Isn't your proposal for sea and air blockade of Red China the same strategy by which Americans achieved victory over the Japanese in the Pacific?
General MACARTHUR: Yes,sir.In (http://sir.In) the Pasific we bypassed them.We closed in. You must understand that Japan had an enormous population of nearly 80 million people,crowded into 4 http://islands.It (http://islands.It) was about half a farm population.The other half was engaged in industry.
Potentially the labor pool in Japan,both in quantity and quality,is as good as anything that I have ever known. Some place down the line they have discovered what you might call the dignity of labor, that men are happier when they are working and constructing than when they are idling.
This enormous capacity for work meant that they had to have something to work on.They built the factories, they had the labor,but they didn't have the basic materials.
There is practically nothing indigenous to Japan except the silkworm.
They lack cotton,they lack wool,they lack petoroleum products,they lack tin, they lack rubber,they lack a great many other things, all which was in the Asiatic basin.
They feared that if those supplies were cut off, there would be 10 to 12 million people unoccupied in Japan. Their purpose, therefore, in going to war was largely dictated by security.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:00:22 [Preview] No.37319 del
>>37299
It's not though, it's the truth.

>In reality western nations in war was nothing different of japan in war or it could be worse

Not in general, sure there were fringe cases but it was not the norm. You must remember that Japan was only recently leaving the age of the Samurai(although they were not fully leaving it), an age where life was very, very cheap. If you had read the Hagakure you would know what I refer to. For Japanese soldiers to use Chinese civilians as bayonet practice was not really unexpected given all of this.

>>37300

>The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

True. Before WW2 peace settlements were much more civilised(generally, there were exceptions but they usually involved Civil or religious Wars), both parties knew that the opposing army was only doing it's job and just happened to be on the losing side. After WW2 there was a push to lock up and punish all German and many Japanese top commanders so they came up with often spurious claims and in the case of General Yamashita they even made up an absurd law that a commander could be punished for crimes that his men committed without his authority or knowledge and regardless of whether he could have stopped it even if he knew of it. Needless to say, no US commander has ever been punished by that law even when legally they easily could have been.

>>37301
I'm not saying the US didn't, it's war, it gives those who have the desire to commit crimes the means as well. But it was not accepted.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:21:01 [Preview] No.37320 del
>>37319
> >>37299 (you)
> It's not though, it's the truth.
>
> >In reality western nations in war was nothing different of japan in war or it could be worse
>
> Not in general, sure there were fringe cases but it was not the norm. You must remember that Japan was only recently leaving the age of the Samurai(although they were not fully leaving it), an age where life was very, very cheap. If you had read the Hagakure you would know what I refer to. For Japanese soldiers to use Chinese civilians as bayonet practice was not really unexpected given all of this.


Firstly you are missunderstanding about HAGAKURE complitely
Anyway it’s different topics


You are overrated white race complicatly

Read about how british massacred Aborigine and how they did in India, (cuting hand of Indian craft man for not make domestic prodacts of India)
Opium War and so on.

There is no any difference between allies and axis.
Both are evil and concept of war criminals is full of hypocrisy

People who can’t get this logic and sense, has critical brain sickness


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:28:36 [Preview] No.37321 del
>>37319
Your misunderstanding point of hagakure is the book is not minimaraise the life.

HAGAKURE is saying "Bushido means to desth".
But this is not the death for three boss .
It just telling "Everyday we must think we can die even today without regret.
TO LIVE SERIOUSLY AND FULLFILL OWN LIFE AND OWN MISSION"

HAGAKURE is telling to live seriously even you can die today.
This is the meaning of HAGAKURE

Also hagakure is telling "If you are real samurai , change the boss 7 times in own life , and work what you really wish to do from your heart".

So it’s idea of RONIN. Hagakure is not telling to submit and death

You are totally wrong about this book


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:33:13 [Preview] No.37322 del
>>37321
So hagakure,
"Bushido means to death " is PRADOX.
It is saying "We must hold the death and think about own death everyday to live seriously and fullfill own like and own mission and live without regrets"

Western society missunderstanding Hagakure entirely


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:34:50 [Preview] No.37323 del
AGAIN
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as >"war criminals".
>Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals" ?
>France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

>Concept of war criminals itself is full of >hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2
The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two big warcriminals Mao and Stalin!. Also the user of atomic bomb, Which were considered to be on the side of the victors.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War.

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:36:17 [Preview] No.37324 del
>>37320
>Firstly you are missunderstanding about HAGAKURE complitely

Have you read it?

>You are overrated white race complicatly

Race does not come into this, culture does.

>Read about how british massacred Aborigine and how they did in India, (cuting hand of Indian craft man for not make domestic prodacts of India)
Opium War and so on.

Aboriginals are not human. Besides, generally what these massacres are is a group of Aboriginals killing some settlers and then a unit of armed men launching a retaliatory attack, which tends to be quite one sided. But I'm not saying they never did bad things, it was just nowhere near on the level of what was done elsewhere. Slavery and Sex Slavery was common throughout the world(it was actually Britain that ended much of this though), cannibalism was not uncommon either and punishments were heavy and life was cheap, you complain about losing a hand because of not making something? How about losing your head because you stepped on a wall, out side of your district or looked at someone the wrong way. You have got to realise that people in China were eating each other barely half a century ago, even NOW there are people in the Congo enslaving Pygmies, sending them to the jungle to get food and then eating them if they come back empty handed.

>>37322
Have you read it? It advocates killing over the slightest of things.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:44:52 [Preview] No.37325 del
>>37324
Offcouse I have red the hagakure and you are missunderstanding about it
Bushido means to death, we must find the place to death which we can give full of own life for it , we must live seriously and think about how to death everyday to not regret own life

Also Hagakure is telling we must change own boss (Own work) 7 times in the life , to find the place what you really want to do.

Your English translation Hagakure May missunderstanding the Paradox but only hagakure Death means Live.
It’s a paradox


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:47:12 [Preview] No.37326 del
>>37324
I sense you are deeply rooted western centralists.

In reality , in war, westen nations or japan or Germany or USA or so are all equally Evil and no justice in the war especially ww2

This is the things here

Yes or no.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:50:43 [Preview] No.37327 del
AGAIN
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as >"war criminals".
>Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals" ?
>France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

>Concept of war criminals itself is full of >hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2
The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two big warcriminals Mao and Stalin!. Also the user of atomic bomb, Which were considered to be on the side of the victors.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War.

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:55:21 [Preview] No.37328 del
>>37324
>Aboriginals are not human.
What is your definition of human?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:57:01 [Preview] No.37329 del
>>37324
You talked like this as like justice and blame japan while ignoring war criminals of chinese and USA

Those attitudes is sickness due to ideology after ww2

You acted those attitude as the position of winner of ww2 as hypocrites
But since Chinese aggressions are started we must overcome this old sense of ideology of ww2

We must face that was full of hypocrisy
And we must decided what was reality based on the real historical docments and record that I’m telling in this thread.

And help each other as the "Freedom team" to overcome this new age.

This is what we really need now


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 04:58:44 [Preview] No.37330 del
AGAIN
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as >"war criminals".
>Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals" ?
>France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

>Concept of war criminals itself is full of >hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2
The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

>why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two big warcriminals Mao and Stalin!. Also the user of atomic bomb, Which were considered to be on the side of the victors.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War.

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:13:01 [Preview] No.37331 del
>>37328
Definition of human is biologically Homo sapiens or not.
Aborigines are Homi sapiens.
I think his >>37324 deeply mind is thinking East Asian before western society was arrived was not human or living as barbarians or so.

Look at EDO ERA,
Before the White society come
In the Edo Period, literacy rates were about 80 percent even exclusive of samurai and monk class.
Private school terakoya was everywhere
Money society
Futures trading Stock option,
public health
Pop culture like ukiyoe manga, Kabuki idol show,
Road and transportation
Water supply

Also no civil war in 500years of Tokugawa shogunate

Those social infrastructure was done and already has base of the modernization
So they can quickly adapt it without problems


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:16:24 [Preview] No.37332 del
>>37325
>Offcouse I have red the hagakure and you are missunderstanding about it

Okay, then what do you say about the part where a man and a woman are put to death because the man used her toilet while her husband was away? Or the numerous parts where people cut each other down during arguments(even when they are retainers of the same lord) or when they cut children down for stepping on their feet and then cut the mother down afterwards? I'm sure I am just misunderstanding something.

>>37326
No, the more you read on the subject the more you will find that differing cultures have radically different ways of waging it, the Chivalric code was a real thing and that set the ground work for the rules of war. Yes it was broken but when it was it was made a big issue of.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:20:27 [Preview] No.37333 del
>>37332
What flying fuck are you reading?
It’s critics of hagakure? There is no flying mention about those story in original hagakure...
What the fuck are you.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:23:11 [Preview] No.37334 del
>>37332
Link the book of amazon ot tilte of the book that flying fucking book.
There is no mention such things in real hagakure

If this is true you have read that and you understand it as hagakure then this is really really big problems more than your imagine


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:23:35 [Preview] No.37335 del
>>37331
I'm not sure what the literacy rate was in Europe but nothing else there is impressive. Europe had all of that and Much, Much more.


>>37333
So then no, I guess you have not read it or you are reading some kind of HEAVILY edited version.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:25:06 [Preview] No.37336 del
>>37335
Anyway link the book what you read
I’m reading hagakura by original script
You are idiot honestly


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:28:30 [Preview] No.37338 del
>>37335
I’m saying japan at Edo era before modernization was already highly sophisticated

Read about Japonisim
impresionisim art in France was Based on Japanese ukiyoe art even Van Gogh too

And japan was already doing international business with trading at the era of Edo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonisme


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:30:45 [Preview] No.37339 del
>>37337
Ok I’ll get that book but again original hagakure has no mention that cut the child and make them step and cut the mother or so,
This is big problems more than korea or china now


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:35:22 [Preview] No.37340 del
>>37337
Bytheway hagakure is just telling one by one of samurai code but not a story

What samurai code of story that cut child and made them step?
Which number of the code??

If the book is like a telling story it’s not a original hagakure at all


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:38:48 [Preview] No.37341 del
>>37337
As you can see hagakure is one by one of samurai code but not a book

http://hagakure-text.jp/mokuji/1.html


Now flying which part of hagakure is flying fucking saying cut the child and made then foot step and cut mother fucking where


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:40:27 [Preview] No.37342 del
>>37341
*hagakure is one by one of samurai code but not a story book


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:45:48 [Preview] No.37343 del
>>37337
Answer this >>37341


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:47:59 [Preview] No.37344 del
>>37339
The part about the Man and woman being executed for hi using a toilet is in Chapter 11.

>>37340
It's not a story you are right. It's Yamamoto writing about how he thinks samurai should behave and listing examples of real life events and commenting on them.

>>37341
Parts of it are like code parts of it are like a book. That link doesn't have anything from Chapter 11 for some reason. I think you need to find an actual original copy, what it seems you are reading is just extracts compiled into a short and handy format.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:51:28 [Preview] No.37345 del
>>37343
It's in Chapter 8, which again, that site lists the chapter but has nothing in it.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:55:02 [Preview] No.37346 del
>>37345
Click the chapter and detail explain will come out


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 05:59:34 [Preview] No.37348 del
>>37345
>>37344
Both chapter 8 and 11 is talking entirely different things

Cut child and mom? Wife cut because of Toilet?

What that crazy are you talking

Ok pls try to take a picture of the page that cut if mom and child or toilet

This is seriously big problems more than your imagine


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:01:13 [Preview] No.37349 del
>>37346
Yes, detail will come out and explain that the Chapter isn't prepared yet. Great, really helpful.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:01:50 [Preview] No.37350 del
>>37345
>>37345
This is explain of chapter 8
No cut of mother or child or cut oh wife or so at all


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:03:43 [Preview] No.37351 del
>>37349
>>37349
Get your book and take the pic of chapter 8


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:03:59 [Preview] No.37352 del
>>37350
It most only be availably on mobile phone format, which makes sense as it's abbreviated, that's not the whole chapter. That isn't the original version.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:07:05 [Preview] No.37353 del
>>37352
This is original. Get your fucking book and show me chapter 8
If you are lieing And if you give up I’ll forgive you with Marcy

Anyway take the picture of page of the chapter 8 and 11 in your book Hagakure
Go


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:09:37 [Preview] No.37354 del
>>37351
I was going to but I found a PDF online that has it too, plus the thing in Chapter 11.

http://3yryua3n3eu3i4gih2iopzph.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pdf/hagakure.pdf


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:15:36 [Preview] No.37355 del
>>37354
Hey hagakure is LIST OF SAMURAI CODE NOT A STORY
what is this book??
I can’t get it


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:18:24 [Preview] No.37356 del
>>37355
That is Hagakure, you are just reading a shorthand version of it with the Codes not the rest.

Here it is.

Dense was born in Taku , and the members of his family liv-ing at this time were his elder brother Jirbei, his younger brotherand his mother. Around the ninth month Denko’s mother tookJirobei’s son with her to hear a sermon. When it was time togo home, the child, as he was putting on his straw sandals, ac-cidentally stepped on the foot of the man next to him. Theman rebuked the child, and in the end they pot into a vehementargument and the man unsheathed his short sword and killedhim. Jirobei’s mother was dumb struck. She clung to the man,and he killed her too. Having done this, the man returned tohis house.This man’s name was Gorouemon, and he was the son of aronin by the name of Nakajima Moan. His younger brother wasthe mountain ascetic, Chuzobo. Moan was an advisor to MasterMimasaka, and Gorouemon had been given a stipend also.When the circumstances became known at Jirobei’s home,his younger brother set out for Gorouemon’s place. Finding thatthe door was locked from within and that no one would comeout, he disguised his voice, pretending to be a visitor. When thedoor was opened, he shouted his real name and crossed swordswith his enemy. Both men fumbled into the rubbish heap, but inthe end Gorouemon was killed. At this point, Chuzobo dashedin and cut down Jirobei’s younger brother.112
Hearing of this incident, Dense went immediately to Jirobei’splace and said, “Of our enemies only one has been killed, whilewe have lost three. This is extremely regret- table, so why don’tyou strike at Chuzobo?” Jirobei, however, would not comply.Denko felt that this was indeed shameful, and although aBuddhist priest, he decided on striking at the enemy of hismother, younger brother and nephew. He knew, nevertheless,that since he was simply an ordinary priest, there was likely tobe a reprisal from Master Mimasaka and therefore worked hard,finally gaining eminence as the chief priest of the Ryuunji.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:18:40 [Preview] No.37357 del
>>37356
Part 2

Hethen went to the sword maker Iyonojo and asked him to makeboth a long and a short sword, offered to be his apprentice, andwas even allowed to take part in the work.By the twenty-third day of the ninth month of the follow- ingyear, he was ready to make his departure. By chance a guest hadcome at this time. Giving orders for food to be served, Denkosecretly slipped out of the chief priest’s headquarters disguisedas a layman. He then went to taku and, upon asking aboutChuzobo, learned that he was with a large group of people whohad gathered to watch the moonrise, and that therefore noth-ing much could be done. Unwilling to let time pile up, he feltthat it would be fulfilling his basic desire to strike at the father,Moan. Going to Moan’s house, he forced his way into the sleep-113
ing chambers, announced his name, and when the man began toget up, stabbed and killed him. When the people of the neigh-borhood came running and surrounded him, he explained thesituation, threw away both long and short swords, and returnedhome. News of this preceded him to Saga, and a good numberof Denko’s parishioners came out quickly and accompanied himon his return.Master Mimasaka was quite outraged, but as Denko was thechief priest of a Nabeshima clan temple, there was nothing to bedone. Finally, through the offices of Nabeshima Toneri, he sentword to Tannen, the chief priest of the Kodenji, saying, “When apriest has killed a man, he should be given a sentence of death.”Tannen’s reply was, “The punishment for one within the religionwill be in accordance with the feelings of the Kodenji. Kindlydo not interfere.”Master Mimasaka became even angrier and asked, “Whatsort of punishment will this be?” Tannen replied, “Although itis profitless for you to know, you are forcing the question, so Iwill give you an answer. The [Buddhist] Law is that an apostatepriest is deprived of his robes and driven out.”Denko’s robes were taken from him at the Kodenji, and whenhe was to be driven out, some novices put on their long and shortswords, and a great number of parishioners came to protect him,114
accompanying him as far as Todoroki. On the road a numberof men who looked like hunters appeared and asked if the partyhad come from Taku. Thereafter Denko lived in Chikuzen, waswell received by all, and was on friendly terms with samurai aswell. This story was widely circulated, and it is said that he wastreated kindly everywhere.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:20:59 [Preview] No.37358 del
And here is the Chapter 11 part. Apologies for the formatting, it has not copied well.

A certain person was passing by the town of Yae when sud-denly his stomach began to hurt. He stopped at a house on aside street and asked to use the toilet. There was only a youngwoman there, but she took him to the back and showed himwhere it was. Just as he was taking off his hakama and goinginto the toilet, the woman’s husband came home and accusedthem both of adultery. In the end, it became a public matter.Lord Naoshige heard the case and said, “Even if this is nota matter of adultery, it is the same as adultery to take off one’shakama without hesitation in a place where there is an unac-companied woman, and in the woman’s case to allow someoneto disrobe while her husband is absent from home .”It is said that they were both condemned to death for thisact.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:27:23 [Preview] No.37359 del
>>37356
Again hagakure is not story book but a LIST OD SAMURAI CODE

This is really a big problems actually

You might think I didn’t know reality or such way but no.

This is wrong because hagakure is not story book or history book like this.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:31:25 [Preview] No.37360 del
>>37359
You might not like it but it is what it is, you must have only read shorthand versions of it.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:34:57 [Preview] No.37361 del
>>37356
READ

Hagakure ("In the Shadow of Leaves") is a manual for the samurai classes consisting of a series of short anecdotes and reflections that give both insight and instruction-in the philosophy and code of behavior that foster the true spirit of Bushido-the Way of the Warrior. It is not a book of philosophy as most would understand the word: it is a collection of thoughts and sayings recorded over a period of seven years, and as such covers a wide variety of subjects, often in no particular sequence.


https://www.amazon.co.jp/葉隠―HAGAKURE-Way-Warrior-山本-常朝/dp/4770029160#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1591511577524



What are we reading??

> Hagakure ("In the Shadow of Leaves") is a manual for the samurai classes consisting of a series of short anecdotes and reflections that give both insight and instruction-in the philosophy and code of behavior

This is hagakure!


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:37:02 [Preview] No.37362 del
>>37360
>shorthand versions
What the hell?
> Hagakure ("In the Shadow of Leaves") is a manual for the samurai classes consisting of a series of short anecdotes and reflections that give both insight and instruction-in the philosophy and code of behavior


You are Crazy and I must figure out what is that PDF you are sending

This makes chaotic huge missunderstanding about hagakure like a hell


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:40:41 [Preview] No.37363 del
>>37361
>consisting of a series of short anecdotes and reflections

It even says it in what you posted, you are going to have to accept it, you read a shorthand version.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:42:16 [Preview] No.37364 del
>>37360
>>37360
Read from this!!>>37337
From your link!!

Living and dying with bravery and honor is at the heart of Hagakure, a series of texts written by an eighteenth-century samurai, Yamamoto Tsunetomo. It is a window into the samurai mind, illuminating the concept of bushido (the Way of the Warrior), which dictated how samurai were expected to behave, conduct themselves, live, and die. While Hagakure was for many years a secret text known only to the warrior vassals of the Nabeshima clan to which the author belonged, it later came to be recognized as a classic exposition of samurai thought.

>The original Hagakure consists of over 1,300 short texts that Tsunetomo dictated to a younger samurai over a seven-year period.

> The original Hagakure consists of over 1,300 short texts

>original text
>1300 of mass of short text

What you are reading!?!?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:43:57 [Preview] No.37365 del
>>37363
Original hagakure is list of mass of short text for explain of one by one of samurai code you idiot

Your PDF is not original text

This is just crazy


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:54:27 [Preview] No.37366 del
>>37363
This is what hagakure translation!

One by one of list of samurai code
Not a history book or story as like your PDF
Your PDF is not hagakure at all

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=zxTlIgw-JU0C&pg=PR15&lpg=PR15&dq=original+hagakure&source=bl&ots=WcrQDBwi8B&sig=ACfU3U3OWTAb8gyu42vCUXl_NFg49HFVvA&hl=ja&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyiq3Jju_pAhVMw4sBHYftDLc4ChDoATACegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=original%20hagakure&f=false


Hagakure ("In the Shadow of Leaves") is a manual for the samurai classes consisting of a series of short anecdotes and reflections that give both insight and instruction-in the philosophy and code of behavior that foster the true spirit of Bushido-the Way of the Warrior. It is not a book of philosophy as most would understand the word: it is a collection of thoughts and sayings recorded over a period of seven years, and as such covers a wide variety of subjects, often in no particular sequence.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:59:11 [Preview] No.37368 del
>>37364
>1,300 short texts

Yes, and some of those short texts are half a page or page long anecdotes like the one I posted. You need to face reality.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 06:59:27 [Preview] No.37369 del
>>37356
Jirobei? Denko?
What kind of joke is this.
Hagakure is not those kind of story book of family or so

What a crazy

Your PDF is seems novel what the writer made by himself

What’s denko? Jirobei? Fucking stupid


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:05:15 [Preview] No.37370 del
>>37366
That's only a preview but from what I can see, again, it's shorthand.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:09:17 [Preview] No.37371 del
>>37370
Anyway what is this >>37354
It’s novel.

Shorten? Joke on you , your PDF and original hagakure is different and can’t be shorten from your PDF since everything is different

Now I post at least 3 transactions and discription
Of hagakure

Submit proof that your hagakure is real lol
It’s novel not original hagakure


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:11:00 [Preview] No.37372 del
There is no mention in jirobei or denko in original hagakure

I’m sorry but I’m japanese so I can see what is real sounding name or not

This is crazy


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:15:42 [Preview] No.37373 del
>>37337
Bytheway you are reading this book right??
>>37337

See the introduction

> The original Hagakure consists of over 1,300 short texts that Tsunetomo dictated to a younger samurai

And your PDF are totally different things as novel >>37354


Why you are lieing this
If you were reading this book >>37337
You must know it’s totally different book and can’t be shorten or such way since totally context is different

Crazy


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:20:35 [Preview] No.37374 del
>>37371
My PDF is closest to the original and your preview only covers the first chapter which is shorter anyway.

It doesn't matter how many you post as none of them are original, they are all reformatted to be easy to read and only include the codes whilst removing the reflections and anecdotes. What do you think is more likely? You just heppened to haev read an abbreviated version or that there is a western conspiracy out there enlarging copies of Hakgakure to add who knows what for some unknown nefarious end. What you are saying is absurd.

Submit proof that yours is real.

>>37372
They are translated names.

>>37373
As I keep saying, those 1,300 short texts are made up of Anecdotes, reflections and codes. you even posted that yourself here>>37361



Do you know what an anecdote is? Maybe that's why you are having so much trouble understanding something that really isn't that hard.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:24:14 [Preview] No.37375 del
>>37374
Original hagakure is not anecdote but a list of codes and guide.

Your PDF is perfectly different of originals

If you keep on saying submit the evidence of your statement

Original hagakure is mass of short guide

Not anecdote or story book like a bible

You are seriously crazy


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:25:36 [Preview] No.37376 del
>>37374
http://hagakure-text.jp/bunsho/0008.html


This is original hagakure that list of short sentences as list of cultural code

Not a anecdote


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:29:28 [Preview] No.37377 del
>>37375
Good lord...

YOU submitted evidence that it's made up of Anecdotes YOU posted that >>37361
Are you just going to ignore what YOU yourself posted because it doesn't sit with what you say now? You are insane.

>>37376
I don't care for your dumb link, it's clearly an abbreviation. Ypu can post abbreviated versions as many times as you like but it changes nothing.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:32:18 [Preview] No.37378 del
>>37377
I exchanged word with him a couple of times. He is a hard case. :^)


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:34:25 [Preview] No.37379 del
>>37377
>>37377
What is academically supporting this PDF are trusted?

Hagakure is samurai code not a story book

How many times I have to explain about it you fucking cray
http://3yryua3n3eu3i4gih2iopzph.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pdf/hagakure.pdf


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:36:46 [Preview] No.37380 del
>>37378
So you are also think that PDF is original ?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:37:37 [Preview] No.37381 del
Is there other other person who have read actual hagakure in this site?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:38:42 [Preview] No.37382 del
>>37379
... You didn't read your own link now did you? Because I found this in it.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:40:37 [Preview] No.37383 del
>>37382
I’m reposting your PDF
Crazy


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:42:38 [Preview] No.37384 del
>>37383
Why? I thought you much preferred the abbreviated mobile version.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:44:31 [Preview] No.37385 del
>>37380
I looked for Hungarian translations. They could be different because translators often doesn't translate from English (which is a growing trend sadly) but from original. Three translations exist, one I managed to get, it's like 200 pages (would be less with larger fonts).

I hate to draw on Wikipedia but from what I found there about Hagakure it says it's a compilation of commentaries from conversations. Which means it isn't just a couple of guidelines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:49:37 [Preview] No.37386 del
Anyway, what I wanted to post.
It would be interesting to go through Europe, who hates who, who wronged who, who are the greatest cunts judged by whom, etc etc but it would be a neverending story, this goes on from the dawn of time.
Even the nations that exist today have at least a millenia long history with each other. Conflicts and atrocities piled to the sky.
I agree with the Australian Bernd, in Europe there are coping mechanism and puffers in place in handling relations, but Japan is a very young nation on the international scene, and she handled foreign relations in the past as if they were her internal affairs, and came out heavy handed.


sage Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:50:41 [Preview] No.37387 del
>>37385
Correction:
>would be less with larger fonts
I mean:
"would be less with smaller fonts"


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:56:34 [Preview] No.37388 del
>>37385
Your Hungarian translated hagakure is saying mainly the same things what that PDF Australian flag showed?
Or your Hungarian translation was list of samurai code as I told?

If you could upload it show me your Hungarian one


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 07:58:32 [Preview] No.37389 del
>>37382
>>37385
I’m asking what part of academical back ground is suggesting your PDF is trustworthy who is that Author


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:00:23 [Preview] No.37390 del
>>37388
I'm kinda busy with a couple of things now, so I didn't have the time to actually read anything or compare.
From the looks of it, it has short stories in it.
I'll try to upload as is. I have it in two formats, an .rtf and a .prc I don't know if the board handles these as pdf-s and will upload well. If not, I'll put them in a .zip if it's suitable.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:03:21 [Preview] No.37391 del
>>37389
The translator of mine is William Scott Wilson not sure on the translator of the PDF but they are pretty much the same format.

Here is a wiki link to him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Scott_Wilson


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:08:04 [Preview] No.37392 del
Okay. It says these formats are not allowed. So I'm going to put them into a .zip.
I also made a screenshot of the info page at the beginning of the book.
This says:
The base of the translation was two books, both in English, but one edited by a Japanese, the other by an Anglo (American?), both was published by Japanese companies.
The Hungarian translator is: Kárpáti Gábor
The supervisor who checked against the originals: Uhri Anikó
The editor was: Ruszkák György
I could try to look up credentials.

Note: the two formats are of the same book.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:09:42 [Preview] No.37393 del
>>37391

Which part of your posted PDF is saying made by William Scott? There is no even back ground in your PDF

This is your posted PDF
http://3yryua3n3eu3i4gih2iopzph.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pdf/hagakure.pdf


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:10:12 [Preview] No.37394 del
So I see that the book him >>37391 posted was one source for the Hungarian ones.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:11:28 [Preview] No.37395 del
>>37392
Ok just figure out your Hungarian hagakure and his PDF hagakure this is saying basically same things or not http://3yryua3n3eu3i4gih2iopzph.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pdf/hagakure.pdf


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:12:49 [Preview] No.37396 del
The point is this PDF Australian posted was made by William Scott or not
http://3yryua3n3eu3i4gih2iopzph.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/pdf/hagakure.pdf


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:15:39 [Preview] No.37397 del
>>37394
No, my book is translated by William Scott, the one I own and have read and linked here >>37337

The PDF seems to be done by some random but it has the same content that mine does.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:20:48 [Preview] No.37398 del
>>37397
Then now shows the evidence that samurai cut child as foot step and cut mother and samurai cut wife because of toilet or so of those stoy was really mentioned in other transrated original hagakure or not
Because i never heared about it

If it’s real other a lot of translated hagakure will have those context for sure

Now pls show me which other translated hagakure is telling that story


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:24:40 [Preview] No.37399 del
About the translators I couldn't find anything. I found a Kárpáti Gábor, an archaeologist, but his speciality is Roman and Medieval remains in Hungary.

Anyway:
>>37395
It's not the same book since the Hungarian is also based on a work of certain Takao Mukoh.
In the .rtf version from the page 40 it's the same as the English pdf posted here: >>37393
The first 40 page presents historical backgrounds, some explanations, and something that seems to be a translation titled "Conversation of a Calm Night" (or something similar).


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:28:34 [Preview] No.37400 del
>>37399The point is that samurai cut child as foot step and cut mother and samurai cut wife because of toilet or so of those stoy was really mentioned in other transrated original hagakure or not

And i want ask one point but main chapter of your Hungarian translated hagakure is list of samurai wisdom
Or like a story that PDF aoustralian flag was posted?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:30:10 [Preview] No.37401 del
And is there an evidence that this here: >>37376 is the original and not just extracts and simplifications, and short explanations?


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:31:43 [Preview] No.37402 del
>>37401
Btw the half of the stuff on that page is Chinese.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:35:33 [Preview] No.37403 del
>>37401
The point is the story of those what PDF of Australian flag was saying is true or not

The point is that samurai cut child as foot step and cut mother and samurai cut wife because of toilet or so of those stoy was really mentioned in other transrated original hagakure or not


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:42:34 [Preview] No.37405 del
>>37401
My link was from this original hagakure directly

This is original book of hagakure

You can see the picture one by one of the page

http://www.dl.saga-u.ac.jp/OgiNabesima/haga.htm


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:45:13 [Preview] No.37406 del
>>37400
It's eleven "books" of stories, anecdotes.
Couldn't find the toilet but there is a story there which says a kid stepped on a feet of a man, who killed the kid with his shorter blade, and when the mother attacked the man, he killed her too. The story is about people called Denko (born in Taku), Jirobei.
Also seen some stuff about homosexuality.
And there's a really good note about raising a child.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:49:06 [Preview] No.37407 del
>>37404
Hum I see. It seems really important to check up well about this.
Thanks anyway your contribution of showing your book directly


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:52:57 [Preview] No.37408 del
>>37405
>葉隱の原本(全九冊)
Original Hidden Leaves, all nine volume.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 09:04:15 [Preview] No.37409 del
(60.69 KB 667x380 Takao-Mukohs-book.png)
Even the Japanese guy's book consists of anecdotes and reflections.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 09:11:39 [Preview] No.37410 del
>>37409
It’s saying series of SHORT anecdotes and reflections.

And it seems what I’m talking about it first Two book, the collection of the samurai code and it’s not simplified but about those two book is mainly recognized as hagakure it seems
But other book has each record of the samurai clan

Hum and I see that I missunderstanded meaning of "Foot step"
But the one child passing by the in front of samurai and he cut child and responsible mother of him. It would be happen too.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 09:33:33 [Preview] No.37411 del
>>37410
182 pages


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 10:13:06 [Preview] No.37413 del
>>37411
I found out now
First 2 books of hagakure is hundreds of pages of each short teachings of samurai code what I was talking about.
Other pages are RECORD ,news articles and matters of the clan which author used to participated.
Philosophy part of hagakure was in the part of those first two books
You can see original picture of each hagakure book which is telling "One by one"of each short teaching

Look at this well it’s showing 一、一、一 each of 一 is one short teachings
This is what I was talking about


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 15:46:44 [Preview] No.37415 del
>>37413
Yes I see what you mean.

I read the intro of the Hungarian translation. This says that the Hagakure is a collection of about 1300 short teachings, anecdotes and records. Consists of 11 books.
1 and 2: teachings/lessons
3: stories about Nabeshima Naoshige, the founder of the domain
4: stories about Nabeshima Katsushige
5: stories about Nabeshima Mitsushige and Nabeshima Tsunashige
6: the old stories and records of the domain
7-9: stories about the vassals
10: stories about the vassals of other domains
11: additional notes
The Hagakure also has an introductory chapter, a "book 0" if you will, the title is something like: "Conversations of a Calm/Quiet/Tranquil Night" or "Quiet Conversations of a Night". This I haven't seen in the English one which was linked in this thread.

It also says that Tsunemoto was inspired by his master's teachings (books 1 and 2) and did his own research which led to the writing of the rest of the work.
Furthermore the translations look different than the original because the original used such a concise, tight language that translations are bound to be more verbose.

This is my opinion:
While the first two books contains the teachings, "commandments", rules, etc. the whole work, the whole Hagakure offers even more than that. From the little what I read in it now, it reflects the life of a feudal domain of Japan. But not just the life itself, but the perceptions and the way of thinking of the people who reside there.
I think I'm going to read it, it looks interesting. Right now I have a novel to finish, but probably right after that.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 15:59:56 [Preview] No.37417 del
>>37415
I have to add:
The first two books might contain valuable lessons, but they are a product in a particular situation, and we cannot understand them without the circumstances which led to the birth of those teachings. And the rest of Hagakure seems to add that insight about the background, that needs for the proper understanding of book 1 and 2.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 20:36:08 [Preview] No.37425 del
>>37415
>>37415
Thanks for your contribution
It still need discussion of one by one of things after the book 1 and 2 but it’s need to read well the original script and also it’s not main topic of the thread
So for now result is your summary of discussion of hagakure and we need to read primary material (Original script) to talk more I think .

So anyway go back to main topic of the thread


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 21:04:51 [Preview] No.37426 del
>>37404
Additionally, first two philosophy part of hagakure is still a lot of text, and next other book is so many long texts of the articles about Clans.
It can’t be one small book like this.
In this sense, if you use ""simplified"". The simplified book is this English one.

First of all, cuting people was very criminals even samurai class and some samurai became lower class by the criminal of marders.
So we must check out what original text is telling those case, is needed.

The samurai Killing people freely or so is vital missunderstanding of the west.

I think those "Simplified " transactions of book is one of the Cause of this situation
Anyway


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 21:07:36 [Preview] No.37427 del
>>37426
*when samurai made killing people and most of the case he himself and his family have to do "Harakiri" as capital punishment .

The samurai Killing people freely or so is just vital missunderstanding of the west.


Bernd 06/07/2020 (Sun) 21:16:53 [Preview] No.37428 del
>>37427
Thank you for your contribution

What is your opinion on anime?


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 00:47:49 [Preview] No.37433 del
>>37426
So what do you call samurai cutting down Children and mothers because he stepped on his foot if not killing freely? Or Samurai killing each other in arguments.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:30:44 [Preview] No.37434 del
>>37433
About this things, generally KIRISUTE GOMEN, ot TSUJIGURI things.

Firstly KIRISUTE GOMEN , is basically rights of samurai class to carry a weapon. Samurai class is class of governmener, officer so it had this right.
BUT This makes very big missunderstanding of people that samurai can cut people freely , but in reality , if he cut people all of case will be trial at the Magistrate's office.
And most of the case , the Perpetrator and His family will be all ""Harakiri"" (capital punishment but have a marcy so let him to do own death as samurai pay own responsiblity)

So he need a lot of big will to cut people because he almost have to do harakiri with his family as capital punishment.

This is reality of the kirisute gomen and Harakiri.

So since we didn’t read original script of hagakure (Except first 2 book of philosophical part) we can’t get the situation well what was really saying in the part.

But to talk with cultural sense of Edo era,
those things you are telling is like that.

But I’m also think it’s no choice that people like you outside of japan will missunderstanding about kirisute gomen and Harakiri, since imfometion is limited.
It’s kind of Japanese fault to not telling the exact things untill now


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:33:29 [Preview] No.37435 del
>>37434
And case of Tsujigiri. It means just a criminal of murder.
This case ,Straght to go to capital punishment
And if he is samurai , harakiri and all of his family be capital panishment

So samurai killing people freely is perfectly missunderstanding


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:47:00 [Preview] No.37436 del
that's reality of kirisute gomen and Haraki.
Now We have to read original script of hagakure and get the situation well or else what we can do is only the guess.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:47:25 [Preview] No.37437 del
The truth of why Japan and the United States have taken a stand against each other at ww2.

the Origins of anti japan statement , propaganda and cover story.

"Politics of Manchuria china during ww2 was triggered of it."

just everything was politics, business and money matters.
do not be naive goy, war criminals or such things was commercialism for the people and does not relate the fact of this.

Let’s see ...

It was after china-japan war,
Russia sent troops into Manchuria china.

Japan and the United States had such a strong sense of crisis by this act of Russia.

Because Manchuria was seen by USA as a next important geopolitical place after Hawaii and the Philippines was rulled.

and Japan also needed Manchuria as a defense line to protect the mainland from Russia.

The United States and UK decided to support Japan during the Japan-Russia war in Meiji 37.

And they helped japan to have the peace process with Russia because USA wanted the interests of Manchuria,

After the conclusion of the peace treaty between japan and Russia,
American railway king Edward Henry Harman had 100 million yen in financial support and investing to the Dalian railway, which Japan gained from Russia.
And he asked japan to manage it together and business together!
A lot of other American banker and business man was related about this business as well.


Katsura Taro, the prime minister of japan at that time welcomes and accepts Harman's proposal.

However, the foreign minister, Jutaro Komura, who returned home from the UK,
He thought USA will gradually invade japan from Manchuria.
Because he went UK and he knew what will happn after those deals with Anglos. Such as in India.

So japan break the Harman's offer.

the sudden destruction of the deals made HUGE Harman's ANGER.

Since then, Japan and the United States against each other.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:48:14 [Preview] No.37438 del
>>37437
USA did hardest economical sanctions on japan after that.

Japan lost the supply of oil,iron and many other materials. So quickly became almost dead nation,

Japan have to went parl harbor attack to destroy the supply chain of USA military and base of hawaii which is very near and big risk for japan for self defense.

And japan went to south east Asia to get the oil of there to survives.

And USA also failed the plan of having Manchuria with japan as colony.

so USA needed to do shows the power of the atomic bomb to make the situation of Cold War To avoid full contact war with Soviet.
>To make the "artificial peace by the Deterrence of the atomic bomb".

So Two Atomic bomb was dropped on japan.

After atomic bomb , USA have to justify it.
So at Tokyo court, invented the system of "The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal"
with china to bash Japanese for the justification of victors of ww2.

And actually only real Japanese biggest war criminals was ROMUSHA (forced worker ) in Indonesia.
Comfort woman is paid prostituter and Nanking and united 731 was exaggerated propaganda made by China and soviet but ROMUSHA was real war criminals made by japan.

But colonial west also made SEAsisn forced worker nearly 500years, so they could not blame it.

So Nanking , unit 731 and comfort woman have to made as propaganda to justify the atomic bomb.

And UN was made to protect the benefit of the victor nation of ww2 included mao China and soviet which is perfect worse war criminals ...
And it’s hypocritical situations of UN are continued even now.

I’m not angry about it to USA at all now.

But this meaning just everything was started by the politics of the Manchuria,

In fact until ww1,
Japan ,UK and USA was all ally!
WW1 japan was nothing but a Empire of japan as well!

War criminals or such are not related at all, It’s just COVER STORY and commercialisim for the people,
Commercialisim and propganda was needed for the system of democracy

Do not be naive and do not believe propaganda about war crime.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:48:45 [Preview] No.37439 del
Now let’s go back to here.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 01:54:32 [Preview] No.37440 del
>>37434
For example The article from kirisute gomen from wiki ,

In any case, the samurai performing the act had to prove that his action was right. After striking down his victim, the user was required to notify it to a nearby government officer, give his version of the facts and provide at least one witness who corroborated it, and he was expected to spend the next 20 days at home as a proof of contrition. The last one applied even after favorable verdict, although it is unclear whether it applied to the physical author of the death or his superior in case the kill was performed by proxy. Moreover, the homicidal weapon could be confiscated if an investigation was necessary or as a warning for a kill whose justification was feeble, and it was only given back after the 20 days.[1]

Performing kiri-sute gomen without justification was severely punished. The guilty party could be destituted from his job and could even be sentenced to death or forced to commit seppuku. His family would be affected too if his properties and titles were removed from his inheritance.[1]


So the image of people samurai can cut people easily Is heavenly big misunderstandings

Most of the case the justification is very difficult and he will be Harakiri
Even his all of family menber will be capital punishment or removed the title forever


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:11:16 [Preview] No.37441 del
>>37433
Sounds like samurais are a bunch of queers


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:12:34 [Preview] No.37442 del
>>37439
To where? nanking?


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:14:05 [Preview] No.37443 del
>>37438
>self defense
wut


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:15:47 [Preview] No.37445 del
>>37443
General McArthur of GHQ himself was saying ww2 of japan was doing "Self defense war" Not a war for the invading.
Gen. MacArthur "Japan fought for self-defense" - A message to Dennis Prager (http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=83)
Dear Dennis
On Prager 20110623 -1 Pulling the Ripcord
You cited on your program last week General MacArthur's demand for invading China during Korean War and said it was no good. I am not sure which side you are on - The idea of going after Red China which was a weaponry warehouse for North Korea was not good or Truman's decision to stop it was no good.
Anyway, you should have gone deeper and address his motive and reasoning. We, Japanese, of course, know why he wanted to go after China, because we had been there. We were fighting communism for our self-defense.
Soon after MacArthur became the de facto ruler of Japan, he realized Japan's position. He was in our shoes. Only then, he realized what we felt - tide of danger coming toward the island nation from China and then from US, Brits, Netherlands, etc..
That's why MacArthur said what he said in congress as follows.
Senator HICKENLOOPER: Guestion No.5:Isn't your proposal for sea and air blockade of Red China the same strategy by which Americans achieved victory over the Japanese in the Pacific?
General MACARTHUR: Yes,sir.In (http://sir.In) the Pasific we bypassed them.We closed in. You must understand that Japan had an enormous population of nearly 80 million people,crowded into 4 http://islands.It (http://islands.It) was about half a farm population.The other half was engaged in industry.
Potentially the labor pool in Japan,both in quantity and quality,is as good as anything that I have ever known. Some place down the line they have discovered what you might call the dignity of labor, that men are happier when they are working and constructing than when they are idling.
This enormous capacity for work meant that they had to have something to work on.They built the factories, they had the labor,but they didn't have the basic materials.
There is practically nothing indigenous to Japan except the silkworm.
They lack cotton,they lack wool,they lack petoroleum products,they lack tin, they lack rubber,they lack a great many other things, all which was in the Asiatic basin.
They feared that if those supplies were cut off, there would be 10 to 12 million people unoccupied in Japan. Their purpose, therefore, in going to war was largely dictated by security.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:37:02 [Preview] No.37446 del
>>37441
Read the thread before you post.
>>37440


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:37:20 [Preview] No.37447 del
>>37445
Japan didnt lack samurai swords


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:48:08 [Preview] No.37448 del
>>37440
That is still killing freely. He can kill somebody that stepped on his foot or insulted him in someday and all he has to do is report to the magistrate and spend 20 days at home. That's nothing.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:50:44 [Preview] No.37449 del
>>37448
I meant some way not someday.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:53:17 [Preview] No.37450 del
>>37448
it’s Give yourself up To the office and most of the case it will be capital punishment (Harakri)

It’s nothing but a criminal of now

Get the meaning well


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:58:32 [Preview] No.37451 del
>>37448
>>37448
Are you fucking even reading ?


Performing kiri-sute gomen without justification was severely punished.
The guilty party could be destituted from his job and
could even be sentenced to death or forced to commit seppuku.

His family would be affected too if his properties and titles were removed from his inheritance.[1]


This wiki is not telling directly but most of the case, samurai who cut people will be seppuku (capital punishment


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 03:01:20 [Preview] No.37452 del
>>37450
*After 20 days if he could not justified then capital punishment

The samurai who did kirisute gomen will be Haraki with his family ,Most of the case.
It’s harder than murder of modern west.
They does not have capital punishment anymore


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 03:14:51 [Preview] No.37453 del
>>37450
Much of the time they did not need to commit Harikiri, they only committed harikiri if they had killed in a way that caused some other offence.

Again from the Hagakure, some samurai are feasting at a palace and one insults the other, so he cuts him down. Because he did it in a palace there are people that say he should committee harikiri but in the end others defend him and say the man who was cut down was a fool and thus his actions were just.

Another time a Samurai cuts somebody down in front of a palaquin bearing a noble woman and again, not because of the act itself but because he was in the vicinity of a noble woman they say he should committee Harkiri but again his actions are defended in the end and he is let off.

A third example, a samurai is walking at night with his attendant and gets into a drunken argument, he says he will cut the attendant down and they end up wrestling to the ground, a servant of the samurai stabs the attendant and the attended gets up and runs away. Becuase of the drunken nature of this it's seen as shameful and he is brought to trial, however Yamamoto makes a point of the fact that this samurai was a good man and had cut down a servant before but that when he did that the circumstances were different and so he was not punished and everybody thought he was a good man.


>>37451
It may have been punished without justification but justification was very easy to get, that's my whole point. For some minor insult or slight killing somebody is justified.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:03:19 [Preview] No.37455 del
>>37453
Samurais seems like they were extremely insecure.

I think part of the problem, is that whites try to apply our conduct of honor when obviously japanese has a completely different set of honor rules.

"n ethnicity that lacks beards therefore did not evolve boxing to settle rivalries. American Indians, East Asians and some Africans are less hirsute, and generally lack a pugilistic culture. Of all races, the European's concept of honor is most heavily influenced by pugilism. Often Europeans do not understand that the concept of honor varies by race."

https://cyberthal-ghost.nfshost.com/the-aryan-beard-signifies-pugilistic-honor/


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:09:37 [Preview] No.37456 del
>>37453
How was your translated hagakure is saying about samurai who related Jirobei and denko part?

To think about year of 1716, those >>37453 is not such strenge
Are you juggeing people of 1716 by the common sense of 2020 westerner?

Also this is incident of the clans
but not a directly a philosophy of hagakure "It’s book 1 and 2"

By the way do you still remember why we started this talk?

If you want to talk one by one of the
I’ was pointed out the

You are thinking Japanese was thinking they can kill people easily because of those or so,

It’s typical racistic mind

If you want to say each of the incident,

Crusader
Witch Hunt
Aborigine
War in Ireland
Colonisim
Slave culture
Droit du seigneur[a] ('lord's right')
Optium war
Massacre of native Americans

There is too many each of INCIDENT of the case that western hypocrisy

So I was saying at the first part of this thread about this Hypocrisy of the west


37296
>>37295
Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

In the ideology of after ww2 , The winner writes new laws and new laws say ""the loser is the only war criminals"'' even if victor nations are also nothing but a war criminals such as soviet Stalin, China,USA ,UK and France.

""The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal. ""

wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as "war criminals".

Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals"

France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

Concept of war criminals itself is full of hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two a lot worse Mao and Stalin!. Which were considered to be on the side of the victors. Also the user of two atomic bomb.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War. (Google organization of 'justice for laidaihan" which for the Vietnamese victims of massacres and rape by korean at Vietnam war, they are asking Compensation from Korea even now.)

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started right now in this very century.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:11:35 [Preview] No.37457 del
>>37456
*If you want to talk one by one of the incident


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:17:15 [Preview] No.37458 del
>>37455
Yes I support your post . Thank you

> I think part of the problem, is that whites try to apply our conduct of honor when obviously japanese has a completely different set of honor rules.

"n ethnicity that lacks beards therefore did not evolve boxing to settle rivalries. American Indians, East Asians and some Africans are less hirsute, and generally lack a pugilistic culture. Of all races, the European's concept of honor is most heavily influenced by pugilism. Often Europeans do not understand that the concept of honor varies by race."


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:24:05 [Preview] No.37459 del
>>37456
It's a separate part of it. A large part of hagakure is made up of anecdotes, the Jirobei and Denko part was just one of many.

People in the west never behaved like that in 1716 or even 1016. The closest one would get is organised duels but even then, you are not just cutting down a child out of reflex, you are challenging someone to a fair and honourable fight and they have the right to refuse.

>Crusader

It's a war.

>Witch Hunt

People being killed on such grounds is hardly unique to Europe and even then, there are still places in Africa that do this.

>Aborigine

Already addressed.

>War in Ireland

Again it's a war.

>Colonisim

Actually not as bad as many think.

>Slave culture

The culture that Britain ended?

>Droit du seigneur[a] ('lord's right')

That's actually made up.

>Optium war

Again, war and politics.

>Massacre of native Americans

See what I said about Aboriginals.

You can say what you like but all of these had some kind of reason and context to them, they were not just random acts of murder.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:24:26 [Preview] No.37460 del
>>37456
I dont think the australian meant it as a racist thing


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:30:45 [Preview] No.37461 del
>>37460
No, it's not a race thing, it's just culture. Japan is perfectly civilised now.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:30:59 [Preview] No.37462 del
>>37459
See?? This is what I was saying at the first part of this thread

"Everything was war ,Business and politics""
but if you talk about others it’s a "War criminals" or "Barbarism".

Those mind is vital western hypocrisy

Difference of honor system


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:33:39 [Preview] No.37463 del
>>37461
There is nothing civilized about humanity today


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:34:05 [Preview] No.37464 del
>>37461
>now
Edo era of japan is perfectly civilized by the Japanese system

We didn’t have war in 500years
And we did had infrastructure
Read even japanisim ,We had art culture which even Gogh and impressionist learned from.

Not only Western value means to be "Civilization"

This Sweden is right >>37455
>insecure


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:35:56 [Preview] No.37465 del
>>37464
>We didn’t have war in 500years
Maybe thats why the samurais were so murderous - they were restless


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:36:08 [Preview] No.37466 del
>>37464
>>37464
I means this is right

I think part of the problem, is that whites try to apply our conduct of honor when obviously japanese has a completely different set of honor rules.

"n ethnicity that lacks beards therefore did not evolve boxing to settle rivalries. American Indians, East Asians and some Africans are less hirsute, and generally lack a pugilistic culture. Of all races, the European's concept of honor is most heavily influenced by pugilism. Often Europeans do not understand that the concept of honor varies by race."



But what do you mean samurai was insecure?


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:37:21 [Preview] No.37467 del
>>37462
Because war and civil life are different.

A knight going to the holy land to fight for his religion against a foe who has invaded that land and he perceives as desecrating his religion is completely different from a person cutting down a child at home because of an insult.

>>37464
That's nothing.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:37:27 [Preview] No.37468 del
>>37464
Myself I dont believe in "civilization" and "technology"


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:38:02 [Preview] No.37469 del
>>37465
>murderous
This is really a just a image of the west.
I have to set up some note to counter argue it
But for now I’ll tell you it’s just image ,Also includeing the hypocrisy as usual


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:38:25 [Preview] No.37470 del
>>37467
>cutting down a child at home because of an insult.
you should factor in what insult it was


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:41:55 [Preview] No.37471 del
>>37467
> A knight going to the holy land to fight for his religion against a foe who has invaded that land and he perceives as desecrating his religion is completely different from a person cutting down a child at home because of an insult.


This is TYPICAL western excuse of abuse others. Typical hypocrisy again

If you say "Holy war" those massacre was justified

Also read about the what sweden was saying about honor system


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:42:10 [Preview] No.37472 del
>>37469
I was saying it in jest. But they were a warrior class right? Their job was to be a warrior? So it must impact their life, not being able to "work".


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:43:55 [Preview] No.37473 del
I read the book of five rings a while ago and I must admit it was hard to understand. But maybe its a cultural thing.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:51:51 [Preview] No.37474 del
>>37471
I'm not saying they were justified but there was a context behind it. Even then these kinds of event were not that common and were criticised by contemporary writers. This was a religious war. Look at the Shimabara Rebellion or the massacres of Japanese Christians in general or the massacres of the Ikko Ikki. They were killing people they viewed as being from an outside group in opposing to their own, again, I will not say this was justified but there was context behind it.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 04:54:47 [Preview] No.37475 del
>>37473
It's not a very good book.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:02:42 [Preview] No.37477 del
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>>37314
>But can you Pls tell me how allies and USA destroyed Poland at ww2 as like USA destroyed French?

Poland got invaded by 2 countries at the same time, with the Soviets being the worse offenders. Soviets invaded and pillaged everything there. They looted, stole, raped all their women and generally acted like dicks fam. They did this everywhere they went, especially in Germany. And Poland was treated awfully after the war, suffering enormous censorship and killings when they were behind the Iron curtain. Same thing happened to every country in the Eastern Bloc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Soviet_occupation_of_Poland

And historically, Poland has been the most oppressed group of people in Europe. They've been wiped out of the map and genocided loads of times tbh. #PrayforPoland #EndPolishBullying

And they did the same thing in your country. They raped every women they could find in Japan at that time. Around 10,000 of your women were raped during the Okinawa occupation. Makes me very :(. pls respect women guys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan

>>37428
>What is your opinion on anime?

He wrote about it in his last thread but it got pruned after it got old


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:08:08 [Preview] No.37479 del
>>37477
What is it with niggers and russians that they have to rape in wars


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:23:45 [Preview] No.37480 del
>>37479
What the Red Army did was bad leadership.
By default the leaders have to cover the needs of the soldiers. Clothing, food etc. and ofc sex. There was the institution of camp followers back in the day, later like in WWII those in logistics arranged prostitutes. But at places, some commanders in the Red Army encouraged rape instead. It really varied.
Here they raped about 200-800 thousand women. At least this many they estimate on the basis of medical reports from the following months, for various treatments but many, many abortions (the estimate comes from the lack of medical reports in times and places). But there were settlements where no rape occurred at all but for example in Budapest there were streets where they raped everyone from 8-80. So it depended on what unit was there, and who were the COs.
Also official Soviet propaganda did not help, they said the soldiers that everything is theirs.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:24:01 [Preview] No.37481 del
>>37477
Yes I see

Exactly like this Concept of War criminal of ww2 itself is ideology, propaganda ,hypocrisy and world order after ww2 made by UN for the benefit of victor nation of ww2.

In the ideology of after ww2 , The winner writes new laws and new laws say ""the loser is the only war criminals"'' even if victor nations are also nothing but a war criminals such as soviet Stalin, China,USA ,UK and France.

""The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal. ""

wake up from the ideology and propaganda of the after ww2 such as "war criminals".

Tell me exactly which country has no "war criminals"

France? Spain? South Korea? USA? UK?Soviet? Russia? Or China?

Concept of war criminals itself is full of hypocrisy ,ideology and propaganda of aftr ww2

The winner writes new laws and new laws say the loser is a criminal.

why Hitler went down in history as the worst human that ever lived when in the same time period there were at least two a lot worse Mao and Stalin!. Which were considered to be on the side of the victors. Also the user of two atomic bomb.

Also Imperialism and war criminals have unrelated. Korea is also war criminals in Vietnam War. (Google organization of 'justice for laidaihan" which for the Vietnamese victims of massacres and rape by korean at Vietnam war, they are asking Compensation from Korea even now.)

Do not blame Japan and Germany about ww2 endlessly. It’s pointless and outdated since chinese aggressions and massacre in Tibet and Uyghur are started right now in this very century.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:34:29 [Preview] No.37485 del
>>37477
>>37480

Thank you for the infomercial post


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:37:03 [Preview] No.37488 del
>>37474
Japanese honor code has context behind it too
Do not be hypocrites.

About culture difference is telling by Sweden poster


I think part of the problem, is that whites try to apply our conduct of honor when obviously japanese has a completely different set of honor rules.

"n ethnicity that lacks beards therefore did not evolve boxing to settle rivalries. American Indians, East Asians and some Africans are less hirsute, and generally lack a pugilistic culture. Of all races, the European's concept of honor is most heavily influenced by pugilism. Often Europeans do not understand that the concept of honor varies by race."

https://cyberthal-ghost.nfshost.com/the-aryan-beard-signifies-pugilistic-honor/


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:52:52 [Preview] No.37492 del
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>>37481
>>37485
>Thank you for the infomercial post

>T. Hanks


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:57:04 [Preview] No.37493 del
>>37474
You are saying like that "War has context behind it", and still blameing japan about ww2
But this is very much also context behind it too.
Just system of war criminals was really hypocritical.

Comfort woman was basically prostituter
Nanking or unit 731 is exaggerated propaganda

You west people, you are always justified your own war as you saied "Context behind it"
But allies has war criminals also
A lots of war criminals
And add more put a lot of exaggeration on Japanese war criminals to bush eternally.
Even soviet or China or USA is being not a war criminals.
This is the core of problems
Stop hypocritical
Even japan side has context behind it


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:59:24 [Preview] No.37494 del
>>37493
Example of war criminals of allies

The GIs who raped France:

The soldiers who landed in Normandy on D-Day were greeted as liberators, but by the time American G.I.’s were headed back home in late 1945, many French citizens viewed them in a very different light.

One resident stated that "With the Germans, the men had to camouflage themselves—but with the Americans, we had to hide the women."

In total, it is estimated that some 14,000 women were raped by American GIs in Western Europe from 1942 to 1945.
An estimated 20,000 civilians were killed in the battle for Normandy, and in Le Havre alone, 3,000 had died.
Angry officials pointed out that while thousands of French dead had been hauled from the rubble, no more than ten German bodies had been found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France



The US/Allies killed 50,000 French civilians.
(modern historian say 80,000 to 120,000.)

>It is estimated that the bombings in Normandy before and after D-Day caused over 50,000 civilian deaths.
>"It was profoundly traumatic for the people of Normandy. Think of the hundreds of tons of bombs destroying entire cities and wiping out families. But the suffering of civilians was for many years masked by the over-riding image, that of the French welcoming the liberators with open arms."[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Normandy

1944 D-day - Bombing Normandy Before the Invasion
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pe8h21rP2KA [Embed] [Open]



The US air force killed 40,000 Chinese civilians in Wuhan during WW2

Bombing of Wuhan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wuhan#Bombing_of_Wuhan

>One week before Christmas in 1944, nearly 200 American planes raided the Chinese city of Wuhan.
>According to casualty statistics compiled by Hankou city in 1946, more than 20,000 were killed or injured, 7,515 buildings were bombed. Chiang Kai-shek in his diary admitted to 40,000.
>LeMay was pleased, declaring this his first experience with firebombing as a tactical weapon to be a successful experiment.

>The firebombing of Wuhan drew little attention internationally and was censored in the Chinese press.
>Compared with Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing, Tianjin and Qingdao, the destruction in Wuhan was considerably worse.


Nordhausen (Boelcke-Kaserne concentration camp):
1,500 Jewish inmates killed by American/British air raids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Nordhausen_in_World_War_II




But can you Pls tell me how allies and USA destroyed Poland at ww2 as like USA destroyed French?

Poland got invaded by 2 countries at the same time, with the Soviets being the worse offenders. Soviets invaded and pillaged everything there. They looted, stole, raped all their women and generally acted like dicks fam. They did this everywhere they went, especially in Germany. And Poland was treated awfully after the war, suffering enormous censorship and killings when they were behind the Iron curtain. Same thing happened to every country in the Eastern Bloc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Soviet_occupation_of_Poland

And historically, Poland has been the most oppressed group of people in Europe. They've been wiped out of the map and genocided loads of times tbh. #PrayforPoland #EndPolishBullying

And they did the same thing in your country. They raped every women they could find in Japan at that time. Around 10,000 of your women were raped during the Okinawa occupation. Makes me very :(. pls respect women guys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan


>


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 05:59:49 [Preview] No.37495 del
>>37494
What the Red Army did was bad leadership.
By default the leaders have to cover the needs of the soldiers. Clothing, food etc. and ofc sex. There was the institution of camp followers back in the day, later like in WWII those in logistics arranged prostitutes. But at places, some commanders in the Red Army encouraged rape instead. It really varied.
Here they raped about 200-800 thousand women. At least this many they estimate on the basis of medical reports from the following months, for various treatments but many, many abortions (the estimate comes from the lack of medical reports in times and places). But there were settlements where no rape occurred at all but for example in Budapest there were streets where they raped everyone from 8-80. So it depended on what unit was there, and who were the COs.
Also official Soviet propaganda did not help, they said the soldiers that everything is theirs.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 06:01:27 [Preview] No.37496 del
>>37495
>>37494
How on earth this is not war criminals

Let’s stop blaming japan and Germany as ideology after ww2 anymore

Let’s help each other to survive the age of Chinese aggressions

This is only things what I want to tell ultimately


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 06:25:50 [Preview] No.37499 del
>>37493
The context was minimal, Japan was not the only nation with such ideas of honour, the west had it too only they did not act out on it by killing children and mothers for minimal slights as life was not so cheap to them.


>Comfort woman was basically prostituter

Often indentured but yes.

Nanking happened not sure on unit 731, Japan did allot of other things too.

>You west people, you are always justified your own war as you saied "Context behind it"
>But allies has war criminals also
>A lots of war criminals

Yes but the difference really is in the context. Every nation has war criminals just like every nation has criminals. What is important is how widespread this is and how it is viewed and acted against by the nation itself. For Example, the German Army shot rapists, did they still exist in the German army? Yes but if they were ever found they were severely punished, it was not something that was taken lightly or something that the majority of the German army thought well of. The Soviets in theory had such a punishment but rarely implemented it because they really didn't care for the most part, sure some commanders may but many would not.

It's not a black and white case like you make it out to be.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 06:56:46 [Preview] No.37503 del
>>37499
This is means how was doing diplomatic well or how was doing politics well or not

You know, this world is just based on politics ,Business and diplomatics.

Information is controlling

At least what Japanese really want in 2020 I’d protect the value of democracy and freedom society in east Asia against china.

Now we really have to overcome the ideology of ww2 and must help each other for this

Even in this age of aggression of asian communists UN enemy clause are not rejected even now and people keep on bushing japan about ww2 even now
Even how much we compensated and apologized ,Those exact information and buck ground never told to the people of the world


UN Enemy State Clause

The Enemy State Clause of UN is a passage of article 53 and 107 as a half sentence of article 77 of the UN Charter. Thus all "enemy nations", those which have lost Second World War, will face consequences for "aggressive behaviour" from the other UN states. These consequences can be enforced without permission of the Security Council by any state. The measures include military interventions. An enemy state is "any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory to the present Charter".

UN Enemy State Clause - Wikipedia


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:04:29 [Preview] No.37505 del
>>37499
> >>37493 (you)
> The context was minimal, Japan was not the only nation with such ideas of honour, the west had it too only they did not act out on it by killing children and mothers for minimal slights as life was not so cheap to them.

Hey you are keep on saying this but it’s one of irregular incident and in most of the case it must be Harakiri
Since we don’t read the original text, you are unfair.
I’ll make a note about detail of kirisute gomen to show you what Is the common case of kirisute gomen

If you put those incidents and determine whole japan then You are unfair racist


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:11:37 [Preview] No.37506 del
>>37503
I agree, they did some pretty bad things after the war. But nobody actually cares about it now. Sure the clause may exist but nobody in the west sees Japan as an enemy, it's really just a formality.

>and people keep on bushing japan about ww2 even now

They are just thoughts and opinions of some people, it doesn't actually change anything, we still trade with you, you are still our ally.

>>37505
Harakiri was actually the irregular thing, in most cases they only commit Harakiri if they have caused some other offence in the process of cutting the other person down. But yes, you should read it.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:20:05 [Preview] No.37507 del
>>37505
Kirisute gomen is the one irregular things
You just don’t know and i have English problem so can’t tell well
So I’ll make note about reality of kirisute gomen. And you will see what was the reality of kirisute gomen
Stop blaming samurai without knowing at all

Also one things
Look real hagakure philosophy (Book 1and 2) is telling one by one of short sentence
一、一、一 Means each 1 of teaching

However William virsion does not shoes one by one section
This is truely hard yo tells what’s real hagakure philosophiy

So William hagakure has problems
Also he himself is sayinh he simplified 300 from 13000 original script

You read that imperfects willian English hagakure and thinking you know about it
That’s really a stupid


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:23:45 [Preview] No.37508 del
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>>37507
"I'm so clever I managed to trick myself out of happiness to stick it to a group of people that documents I've shown no one predict I should have been married into at least a century and turn ago, but really pay attention to how shamelessly inebriated sorry evil I am, much culture great success."

Philistine.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:32:58 [Preview] No.37509 del
>>37506
>>37505
Actually in this world after ww2 , no one was really trying to figure out Japanese position about ww2 , but bush bush bush and bush until now

Even though some information which was no evidence was telling as reality and bushed japan until now

While ignoreing or doesn’t care the war criminals of allies as the perfect hypocrites

This is the meaning of ideology of after ww2 .
Ignoreing the criminals of allies and bushing and blame Japanese even though many of information was not supported by the evidence

FOR EXAMPLE
This is easy quick example but it’s was saied to be the picture of Japanese soldier bayoneted baby and EVIDENCE of war criminals
But in reality it was revived the its from anti japan movie from china.
Actually most of pictures of Nanking Is like this
Fake pic or pic from chinese civil war

But they don’t care and just keep on bushed Japanese

Even though we are the one real freedom team
In east Asia. And China and Korea used this situation well and now they are being enemy for western nation

Think this stupid situation
Most of information of Nanking or unit 731 is exaggerated and allied did a lot of countless massacred as well! But ignoreing

This is what we call hypocrites
What we call ideology after ww2


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:33:58 [Preview] No.37510 del
>>37505
>Look real hagakure philosophy (Book 1and 2) is telling one by one of short sentence

That's in William's Version too, or rather they are short paragraphs. However, just because the screen shots you have are old and Japanese doesn't actually mean they are the original text, they could easily be taken from an old abbreviated version.

>However William virsion does not shoes one by one section

It does.

>Also he himself is sayinh he simplified 300 from 13000 original script

It's probable that he was just removing hundreds of stories about Samurai killing people for no reason and other things like that, so I would be hesitant to use that as an argument.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:39:33 [Preview] No.37511 del
>>37509
Yes, some of what they say is made up but much of it is not. There are witness accounts of Japanese soldiers resorting to cannibalism, murdering civilians and other things like that. Not even just by allied soldiers, there are Japanese accounts of Japanese submarine captains ordering their crew to fire machine guns at capsized merchant sailors.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:40:35 [Preview] No.37512 del
>>37510
This is From SAGA PREFECTURE MUSEUM
saga is the place hagakure made
https://www.sagalibdb.jp/hagakure/detail/?id=19

Also I told you samurai will not kill people without meaning, and most of the case of kirisute gomen was capital punished
I have to bring the primary evidence to show you until then, stop keep on blaming other culture you racist


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:42:43 [Preview] No.37513 del
>>37511
About the so-called “Nanking Massacre” based on the facts.

The war in Nanking between Japan and China did indeed happen, as like USA and Afghanistan had war in Kabul, but story of the massacred 50,000-300,000 civilians by Japanese army was exaggerated information for the purpose of propaganda. This is already common knowledge to historians all over the world.

The IWG, USA’s National Historical Team published a report focused on Japanese war crimes titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why documents regarding the crimes were scarce.
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-essays.pdf

Military involvement is necessary to massacre 50,000–300,000 people in Nanking, but no evidence of military involvement in those incidents has been found.

Since most actual Japanese military records were scarce and nothing was found,even survey by the IWG.
Historians have been unable to accurately estimate the death toll of Nanking at all.

This is the biggest reason there is never any evidence of Nanking, based on the documents, but there are only the fabricated pictures which does not back up any of the primary evidence, nor is it proof of the massacre.
257Eremnant/nankingm.htm">http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp257Eremnant/nankingm.htm

In the Chinese civil war, the Chinese were nearly 10 times the amount of their own citizens as died in the Nanking Massacre. Here is all the evidence.
Benjamin Valentino estimates that between 1927 and 1949, the death toll among the Chinese between the civil war is 1.8 million to 3.5 million.

It is more than clear that the Nanking story was made "by the communist party of China " to hide the fact that the civil war took nearly 10 times the amount of lives that the so call massacre did, "and encourages people to hate Japan instead of the Chinese communists."

Even at Wiki, there is written as like this excuse.
"Since most Japanese military records on the killings were kept secret or destroyed shortly after the surrender of Japan in 1945, historians have been unable to accurately estimate the death toll of the massacre. "
In the fact, there is no actual evidence of Nanking massacre at all.


Initially, there were only 250,000 people in Nanking city (the Nanking citizens' refugee population at the time of occupation), 300,000 ~ 500,000 people (as insisted upon by the Chinese side) could not have been killed, and there is no logical evidence backing up the number.

""Lewisd SC Smythe, general secretary of Nanjing International Safety Zone International Committee in the war, conducted a damage survey three months after the fall of Nanking. The population of Nanjing is 250,000 people.""

""The findings of these international organizations are generally available materials. ""

So we can easily conclude that the story of the massacre of 50,000–300,000 civilians is an impossibility, and exaggerated propaganda. Even if the Chinese government conducted a survey on the national scale over that half century or more, the remains of the bone of the 50,000–300,000 dead citizens in Nanking were, surprisingly, never found.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:43:33 [Preview] No.37514 del
>>37511
>>37511
>>37513
Even if the war act was done by Japanese soldiers were in Nanking, since the Chinese army at that time did not surrender, the enemy soldiers on the battlefield must have been shot. Even in self-defence, it is normal that Japanese soldiers will attack Chinese soldiers.

And as Chinese soldiers disguised themselves as civilians, becoming clothing soldiers, they are engaging in terrorist activities aimed at the Japanese army. Under international law, even if we treat them, even if we give some civilian damage, international law will be the responsibility of the Chinese army who implemented the strategy. Also, there is no logical evidence that Japanese soldiers attacked Chinese civilians aimed at.
You can imagine that at the time of Nanking, they were at war like Iraq or Afghanistan are now.

The story of the indiscriminate massacres of the general public by the Japanese army have no supporting evidence at all, even by the survey conducted by the IWG.

Anyway, about Nanking massacre.
Take a look at this website, as it is the most clear. You can read everything about the Nanking massacre in detail.

257Eremnant/nankingm.htm">http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp257Eremnant/nankingm.htm

And compare the pictures of the Chinese civil war and the Nanking massacre.
You can see that the so-called “Pictures of the Nanking massacre” are just the pictures from the Chinese civil war.
Don’t forget In Chinese civil war, the Chinese were killing each other 10 times as much as the amount of casualties in the massacre. Here is all the evidence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:46:17 [Preview] No.37515 del
>>37511
And anyway regardless of its real or not
Allies did lots of war criminals especially USA and soviet but they are seen as victor nation and not a criminal
And not be bushed by people about ww2 right now
This situation itself is hypocritical as hell


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:48:50 [Preview] No.37516 del
>>37512
Did you even browse the PDF in that link? Because this was taken from fairly early on in that and it looks like a lot of writing, more than just one by one short sentences.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:50:27 [Preview] No.37517 del
>>37511
>
>""Lewisd SC Smythe, general secretary of Nanjing International Safety Zone International Committee in the war, conducted a damage survey three months after the fall of Nanking. The population of Nanjing is 250,000 people.""
>
>""The findings of these international organizations are generally available materials. ""
>
>So we can easily conclude that the story of the massacre of 50,000–300,000 civilians is an impossibility, and exaggerated propaganda. Even if the Chinese government conducted a survey on the national scale over that half century or more, the remains of the bone of the 50,000–300,000 dead citizens in Nanking were, surprisingly, never found.
>>37511


This is what we call primary evidence

Witness need bucked up evidence

""Witness ""
This is typical excuse of west always start a useing others

Where was weapon of mass destructions in Iraq??

The information of this world is controlling more than your imagine


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:54:16 [Preview] No.37518 del
>>37516
https://www.sagalibdb.jp/image/hagakure/hgk/pdf/so053.pdf

Each of page of contexts are different offc


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:57:18 [Preview] No.37519 del
>>37518
Yes and if you actually looked thought it you would find that most of it looks like >>37516


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 07:59:55 [Preview] No.37520 del
>>37519
>>37518
Each 一、Is each of different topics and mass of those teaching

Short or not short is your impressions you frying idiot


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:01:08 [Preview] No.37521 del
>>37520
That's exactly what is in Williams book as well. Some times they are short sometimes they are long.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:04:33 [Preview] No.37522 del
>>37521
Ok then may be the part of first 2 book of philosophy part was translated well
Usually if people call hagakure ,That’s this two book of first philosophy part
Other part is incidents of the clans.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:06:05 [Preview] No.37523 del
Also
About unit 731. And stracture of it's problems.

The U.S. National Archives released 100,000 pages of confidential documents from the U.S. intelligence agency on the study of bacterial warfare conducted by 731 troops in Manchuria.

In conclusion, the 731 units (Kanto Defense and Water Supply Unit) conducted a bacterial warfare study,
but there was no evidence of any bacterial warfare was done to the Chinese civilians.

>Edward Drew, former chief researcher at CMH, said, "Many of the major records were destroyed by the Japanese authorities between August 12, 1945 and August 28, when some U.S. troops landed in Japan."

>The IWG, USA’s National Historical Team published a report focused on Japanese war crimes titled \"Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays\". In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why documents regarding the crimes were scarce.
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg/
japanese-war-crimes/introductory-essays.pdf

>The issue of The unit 731 unit has a report of testimony, and pathological specimen but there is no documents suported them as evidence.

>the IWG expressed disappointment at the preface of the report because the IWG uncovered and released very few Asian theatre records.
thus, the IWG apologized to the Global Alliance for Preserving the History of WWII in Asia,which was involved in the commencement of this project.

first of all, unit 731 was never mentioned at Tokyo trial which is decided the class A war criminal and no one was punished.
(It means, only after the ww2, it started to blame unit 731,anyway.)

So, what was the first report telling that lunit 731 was doing evil humsn body experiments?

It’s THE HILL REPORT 1947.
>Every essays about unit 731 is referring The Hill reports.

And based on the Hill reports, "Khabarovsk war crime trial in soviet" was started and the member of unit 731 was punished,after Tokyo trial.
this is very important fact.

The Hill reports concluded that the evidence of the human body experiment of the unit 731 was only a pathological specimen which Ishikawa Oshimaru brought back to Japan in 1943 before the defeat. And "testimonies"" from Japanese soldiers and scientists who was being hostage of soviet at Khabarovsk Prisoner's camp and communist china in several years.

>Again There is only pathological specimen and testimony about evidence of unit 731.

>The IWG, USA’s National Historical Team was looking for the documents which could backing up the testimonies of unit 731, 7years! But they could not found them at all.

>Hill report is also saying There is no evidence of 731 based on the documents.
"because japanese army destroyed them After the ww2",
so only testimonies of Japanese hostage of Soviet and China and pathological specimen are available.

>also Hill report is saying USA got the science resurch from unit 731 and they didn’t punished unit 731 at Tokyo court.
(This is also excuse of that unit 731was never mentioned at Tokyo court.)


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:07:19 [Preview] No.37524 del
>>37523
>About competent of testimonies are in doubt.
Each of japanese Hostage were being hard believer of communism as the result of the brainwashing from the soviet.
Soviet didn’t kill menber of unit 731 intentionally and compelled them to do brain wash.other JP soldiers were send to Siberia to work to death.

When the menber of unit 731 was back to japan, they had shown strong against will of japan and praise the Soviet Union and communism.
>so competent of testimonies from such situations are in highly doubts.
Additionally , any documents back up the those testimonies are never founded even now.


As like a horror Story of unit 731 was telling At Khabarovsk war crime trial as exaggerated propaganda. such as "remove all of human blood" and "Replace the human blood and pig /cow blood". (impossible, if you know about science.)

And after the Khabarovsk war crime trial, Comintern supported the communists party in japan, and let them to make the communists news paper names "the red paper", and in that news paper , it has novel about unit 731. The name of the novel is "Satiation of the devil".
And after that novel, entire world started to blame japan about unit 731 as they believe that horror story of the novel as if it’s real.
(In fact, before this propaganda novel was published, no one was talking about unit 731 at all . This is typical example of pure commercialism and fabrication by media, before internet revolutions,
obviously.)

In short, fabrication of unit 731 was made by the Comintern soviet to get diplomatic advantage and commercials as the victor nation of ww2. And USA who want to do the justification of the atomic bomb used it as well.

>also USA took the science resurch of japan after ww2 and made medicine and earned a lot by it, so they have to make excuse of it as well.

Important point is this,
Unit 731 studied bacterial warfare as a military resurch, offcouse. Every military is doing it. Even in this century.

And japan submited that date to USA.
USA used science research of the unit 731, after the ww2 and made medicine and earn a lot by it So USA have to make excuse of it.

Problems is there is no evidence of documents that unit 731 used that bio weapon to Chinese civilians and evil human body experiments. Even by the survey of WIG national histrians team of USA took 7 years.

at first, those story was told by soviet and hostage of soviet who got brainwashed by them.
And Khabarovsk war crime trial was done by it and unit 731 was punished by soviet at there at first time, after Tokyo trial.
Do not be naive.
It's Nothing but a perfect propaganda made by Comintern soviet obviously.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:07:47 [Preview] No.37525 del
>>37524
>>37523
Summary of The Truth of the unit 731.
Q, Who was first time punish unit 731?
A, Soviet. At At Khabarovsk war crime trial. (At Tokyo trial, USA never mentioned about unit 731.)

Q, which report mentioned unit 731 as war criminals first time?
A, Hill report. It concluded there is only testimonies of hostage of soviet who got hard brainwashe from them and pathological specimen. But no any documents backing up them as evidence.

Q, who commercialed the story of unit 731 all over the world after the Khabarovsk war crime trial in soviet?
A, Comintern. Comintern supported the communists party in japan, and let them to make the communists news paper names "the red paper", and in it has novel about unit 731. The name of the novel is "Satiation of the devil".
And after that novel, entire world started to blame japan about unit 731 as they believe that horror story of the novel as if it’s real.

Q, who got science resurch of japan (unit 731) and made medicine by it and earn a lot of money after the ww2?
A, USA.
Unit 731 studied bacterial warfare as a military resurch, offcouse. Every military is doing it. Even in this century.
And japan submited that date to USA. USA used science research of the unit 731, after the ww2 and made medicine and earn a lot by it So USA had to make excuse of it.

Q,Who did survey and looking for the evidence of documents which could backing up the testimonies of unit 731?
A, USA. IWG the U.S. intelligence agency on the study of bacterial warfare conducted by 731 troops.
In conclusion, the 731 units (Kanto Defense and Water Supply Unit) conducted a bacterial warfare study, but there was no evidence of any bacterial warfare was done to the Chinese civilians.
>The issue of The unit 731 unit has a report of testimony, and pathological specimen but there is no documents suported them as evidence.

>Conclusion
>propaganda of unit 731 was made by the Comintern soviet.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:08:18 [Preview] No.37526 del
>>37522
The reason he adds the incidents of the clans and other news is to give examples of how a samurai should behave, hence why he often comments on them. He didn't put them in there for no reason.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 08:18:57 [Preview] No.37527 del
>>37525
>>37524
>>37523
>>37514
>>37513
>>37524

Everyone
This whole world, the information is controlling as the Ideology after ww2

Minimalize the war criminals of allies
And exaggerated Japanese and Germany war criminals
As propaganda
As commarcialisim
As ideology after ww2

Do not fooled by this
This is already no meaning since real massacre and aggression of Comintern of Asia are started all over the world.

Overcome the old ideology of ww2
And help each other as the freedom team
That’s japan and west of 2020


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 14:58:50 [Preview] No.37530 del
>>37480
That just sound like excuses for inexcusable behavior.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 15:00:39 [Preview] No.37531 del
>>37481
Japan had promised to abide to geneva convention in 1942 though


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 16:33:31 [Preview] No.37545 del
>>37530
Nod really, it's explanation, I see nothing there that would downplay the events. Mass rapes happened because there were commanders who encouraged it, and was ideologically and morally supported by underlying propaganda.
I'm not sure about the latest, but the last time the official Russian standpoint was that nothing happened. So they don't need excuses.


Bernd 06/08/2020 (Mon) 16:41:39 [Preview] No.37550 del
Germany and Japan turned themselves into economic powerhouses after the war without having to overspend on their army, meanwhile America is in decline, why worry.


Bernd 06/09/2020 (Tue) 00:01:39 [Preview] No.37568 del
>>37550
>Germany and Japan turned themselves into economic powerhouses after the war without having to overspend on their army

Maybe only when comparing with superpowers like USA and USSR. West German army was one of the strongest and well-equipped in NATO (excluding USA of course), and was the main land force of NATO in Europe. They surely saved some money on some high-tech like ballistic missile or nuclear program, but still spent pretty much.

Military-Industrial complex is always a big money sink, but it also contributes into industrial growth in long term, especially in capitalist countries. Sometimes it also helps to save civilian industry, like in current Boeing case.

Japan also had pretty serious naval force, mostly purposed for anti-submarine warfare against USSR as USA support, and nowadays they are the biggest in the region.

And there are some examples like UK, when cutting military spending still didn't help to sustain economical leadership status.


Bernd 06/09/2020 (Tue) 01:04:08 [Preview] No.37570 del
>>37568
To be fair most countries had big armies during the cold war


Bernd 06/09/2020 (Tue) 18:22:11 [Preview] No.37597 del
>>37568
Germans rebuilt their arms manufacturers like Rheinmetall and Krupp after the war and exported their tanks for peace or something like that.



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