>>65739>By studying Kabbalism with an Orthodox jew.
Well they know it from their perspective.>Then don't be Christian if you believe the stories are fairy tales
Pretty sure you can't stop me, bro. My faith is in Christ.>what actually doesn't happen with American Christians
Biblical literalists almost always seem to be Americans. I'm sure there are others around the world, but per capita, everyone else is more reasonable.>They don't like being contradicted with their own verses
Yea, that's the hallmark of an uneducated mind. They really need scholasticism, but there are just bigger underlying issues.>Matthew 12:42
Aye, Solomon was said to be wise. I'm not disputing that. But it doesn't give evidence of his existence.>His association was violently murdering them
Yea, my point is that he shouldn't have taken the word of others that it needed doing.>Really? You're doing that now?
Yea, i'm not a fan of the American conflicts.>How is it you do not see that what you type continues to implicate you?
Did you expect me to support the war in 'Nam or something?>"Because I say so."
Because critical analysis says so. Feel free to try it.>"Because I say so."
Because reality says so. >The difference: Me: Here's what happened.
Except it was more like, "Here's what i've been told happened, even though the source is bodgy, but it fits my narrative, so i'll say it's gospel and complain when you ask me to verify it.">you praised masonry for it's Christian background
And i still do.>Now you're claiming the movement isn't grounded in religion
It's a handmaid to religion. But that doesn't mean if follows dogma in the way you seem to expect.>Through his masonic connections, yes
Cool. Guess I'll be PM any day now, since i've been to several hundred more meetings than he did, even though i've done none of the things which actually qualified him for election in the real world. Who would have thunk that a social club matters more than actual Titled Nobility and money?>Masons existed back then
But not in ancient Greece. And can you demonstrate where it's actually used in Masonry, other than as part of a frontispiece in one outdated book?>and the exact same ceiling fresco
Hardly exactly the same. It's just Apollo. It's missing all the other shit.>Benjamin Franklin's Constitution of the Freemasons
Franklin didn't make any. He just printed the English ones for use in America. Did a quick check, but couldn't actually find a copy which even used that frontispiece, or in the Ahiman Rezon. Have you got one showing otherwise?>"obscure"
Well yea. Like i said, it's not shown anywhere else except for Anderson's old constitutions.>you sure have blinders on about what is over the top and what isn't
His whole flat is over the top and ugly. Very nouveau riche.>Pick one
I'll pick both. Because it popped up in 1703 as a private lodge, had constitutions *possibly* dating from 1693, and then after the Grand Lodge of London & Westminster (GLE) formed, called itself the Grand York Lodge/Grand Lodge of All England. And none of the records actually mention (((Oliver))).>>65740>might be discovered as nefarious
Not that nefarious. It was just trying to get famous on the coattails of others.>you won't see me accusing you of being a "supreme retard"
I wasn't accusing you, either. Just whomever made that macro, because they didn't do actual research on the topic.>because you are, and it bothers you
Nope. There are many people connected whom i dislike, and i wouldn't deny they're members (as long as they actually are). It's impossible he would ever have joined because it went against his core beliefs, and he had no reason to, nor is there evidence of. This is the man who banned puddings because it might lead to Christmas, remember.>and liberalized Masonic lodges of the early 1500s
Gonna need a source on that one.
And it doesn't change the fact that Masonic lodges were very Catholic and even a bit Anglican around the horror of Cromwell's reign.