Sunflower 12/17/2021 (Fri) 22:29:56 Id: 72d2a5 No.354 del
In my opinion these are the same, but one of them is misdirected. Freud talked about this, it was the essence of everything he talked about.
Today psychology has gotten lost in cognitive behavioural theraphy, basically stick and carrot programming which only works on karmic thinking.
Pain in a correctly developed mind will tell you when to stop, and force you to do the right thing. In a person not yet developed properly, it will only be painful, it is like a rock that should have been placed at the keel of the ship, making it stable, but was left lying on deck. It then has the opposite effect.