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Old Technology Thread Anonymous 08/10/2019 (Sat) 22:16:52 [Preview] No. 13422
Last one I had up on 8ch is down so I'll make one here. Post pictures and discuss old technology and your projects.

Computer software, hardware, audio equipment, electronics etc. all welcome.

I visited an electronics swap meet today in my are for the first time. I wish I'd been sooner, up to now I had no idea I could find this stuff at such a good price. I was able to get a docking station for a newer thinkpad of mine, but I'm still looking for one for my x20 which as it turns out, is a huge pain to install an OS onto.

Also hoping to get a record player soon, most likely something from Technics just because I think it's good. Any brand recommendations or things to look for?


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>>13422
I always hit up the Ham Radio field days in my area. Can be a bit of a lucky-dip if there's even anything at all, but still have scored some neat stuff for cheap.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 06:04:25 [Preview] No.13424 del
>>13423
that is pretty neat. Do you do ham radio or just go to those field days to get stuff? How's that thinkpad running?


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 06:29:28 [Preview] No.13425 del
>>13423
What is the brown rectangular box with the display in it? That's some pretty cool stuff you found. What will you use the modem for?


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 07:56:05 [Preview] No.13429 del
>>13424
I am a Ham now, but I went to the field days for about 10 years before.
I'm wondering where the hell that Thinkpad is.. The Netgear gigabit switch underneath it is on the table here.
>>13425
LCD display from a Bus fare machine. It didn't work, though. The modem-- I got that because I was 'repurposing' old microprocessor things like that into being 'real computers'; I reprogrammed the EPROM in it with Microsoft BASIC and played the classic David Ahl BASIC games on it. \o/


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 16:30:22 [Preview] No.13430 del
>>13422
Bump
Really interested about this topic


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 18:57:14 [Preview] No.13431 del
>>13429
isn't it pretty easy to pass the Ham test?

>>13430
I'm so glad people are posting in this thread, I used to be on 8/tech/ all the time and having this now is nice.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 06:38:37 [Preview] No.13432 del
>>13431
The entry-level ones are no challenge for a /tech/nician, at least the Australian an UK Foundation licenses, which is mostly a multiple-choice exam what want to check you know which end of a microphone to hold-- but the catch is you're little-more than a CB Operator with what you can do (low power, voice-only). Unless you /want/ to listen to CBtards all day (all the 4WD owners who spam the Repeaters with their 'Driveway Proximity Updates'), the Foundation (Technician too?) will shit you to tears.

The Advanced license I've got was about nine months of casual study, but again nothing an Science/Engineering/IT Undergrad couldn't handle (..if they've got the time) ..but I can do anything a ham man can.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 11:07:05 [Preview] No.13436 del
I liked this thread on 8ch's /tech/, it lately got a bit retarded with the spamming and general /pol/ influences and weird hostility and trolling so maybe this new start somewhere else might be good and we'll see more life and productive threads with time. Maybe not. Quality over quantity at any rate.

I've got a thing for physically small machines, like thin clients. They're also often very easy to fit in tiny spaces which is good for me as I don't have a lot of room. (Also love ARM computers for the same reason)

I've got a Cyrix MediaGX SoC thin client with full BIOS where I installed Win98 on an IDE DOM, I love that tiny silent computer and it's my go to machine for many DOS games. It has integrated VGA and Soundblaster support (complete with midi) and is about as fast as Pentium MMX 166-233. Cool little machine. It has an open ISA/PCI slot for one expansion card and I was thinking about adding a graphics card in there, maybe something from Matrox or a Voodoo Rush, since the VGA output is not the best quality-wise. Funnily I have no complaints about the Audio. Even the OPL3 emulation while certainly "having it's own character" is quite fitting.

I want to have another go at Daggerfall on this machine, anyone have good guides for Daggerfall and even maybe must-have patches?

I also still have to fix my A600, it's been lying around for years. I removed the leaking caps and cleaned the board, just basically have to put it back together again. I removed the CPU (since gunk was everywhere and I needed to clean below it) and have the option of adding a 68010 CPU. Is that a good idea? Could there be incompatibilities?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 14:38:33 [Preview] No.13438 del
>>13422 (checked)
I'm glad to see that even after the purge, something of my legacy still lives on in the minds of others.
Thank you for doing this and keeping this thread alive, even if it's an entirely different instance of it.
t. the OP of the first old tech thread on 8tech


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 01:33:14 [Preview] No.13439 del
>>13432
that doesn't sound too bad. Was it worth it though?

>>13438
thanks man. It was basically the only reason I used /tech/ much at all most of the time.

t. OP of the latest 2 old hardware threads on /tech/

>and still trying to decide whether I want to shell out a wad of cash for a nice DOS PC and CRT monitor from eBay


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 12:04:49 [Preview] No.13441 del
>>13439
>that doesn't sound too bad. Was it worth it though?
As an Electronics Hobbyist, I basically see the ticket as a 'permit to play with RF Electronics'.. and now at the Advanced/Extra level, all the things that'd impressed me about AR (Amateur TV/Digital TV, wireless computer networking, Microwave/SHF, etc.) I'm now able to play with.
A lot of it could be done at the Intermediate/Standard level, but for what was only a little extra effort for me, now gives me free reign over all the bands.
I'm happy with how there's still 'bleeding edge' Amateur effort happening. The extreme bands like LF/137kHz and higher-GHz can be done on a shoestring with some neat hacks (bucket variometers, pipe-cap bandpass filters), and Weak Signal Modes coupled with SDRs to get long-distance digital comms. FreeDV, an amateur-designed open source digital mode fascinates me too..
There has been a lot of frustration with the other 'appliance user' Hams, who seem to make up 90% of the membership, all Facebook-dependent Normies. (I must be the only guy in my local club who isn't Married..) And also the Religion-level Memes like Contesting that get in the way.
Every else is Fucking Old.. but at least, the few Gen X and younger guys I've met are all fellow turbonerds..

We started to get a bit of a group in fullchan's /hamradio/ board.


Anonymous 08/15/2019 (Thu) 06:59:40 [Preview] No.13451 del
>>13441
Here is an old amateur radio magazine on a survivalist website that I came across a while ago, idk if it's any good though.

http://www.survivorlibrary.com/index.php/8-category/114-library-radio%2073%20magazine

They also have a lot of other survival stuff as per the name, I could check out https://www.pssurvival.com/PS/index.htm as they have a lot of stuff much the same speed as the first.
It'll cost a couple gigs or more if you want to get em though. Also make sure to keep them updated as they sometimes have new stuff.


Anonymous 08/15/2019 (Thu) 07:14:57 [Preview] No.13452 del
My current project is a masturbation machine using haptic drivers. I've had to bump it up to 5v motors because 3.3v isn't quite cutting it. I'm expecting my delivery from China SOON.


Anonymous 08/30/2019 (Fri) 19:46:20 [Preview] No.13509 del
and we're finally back. I would have liked if we just cloned 8ch.


Anonymous 09/01/2019 (Sun) 07:13:11 [Preview] No.13521 del
Can we also discuss how all new technology is shit? I'm not excited by fucking anything anymore but old school tech gives me a boner. I can't tell if everything is just shit now or is it just me?

Also, any recommendations for a rugged digital camera? People just use their stupid phones now, which sucks because most cameras are cheap plastic shit now or high end studio stuff.


Anonymous 09/01/2019 (Sun) 07:13:33 [Preview] No.13522 del
also, thumb fix


Anonymous 09/07/2019 (Sat) 20:25:46 [Preview] No.13549 del
>>13521
> how all new technology is shit
same feeling here. I pretty much hate everything new. it could have been so much different but it's all so gay.

pretty much the only new things I like are guns because the new ones are cool and not gay like everything else.

>digital camera

couldn't help you there. I use a '93 Minolta film camera. I don't think you'd be able to get a rugged DSLR but maybe a ruggedized point and shoot would work.


Anonymous 09/08/2019 (Sun) 23:37:35 [Preview] No.13552 del
If I were to get a vintage serial terminal or something like that, would it be reasonable to assume that one could program another computer to serve serial data to the terminal and thereby allow the old terminal to access the Internet?

not sure how hard it would be but I thought it would be neat to have a small modern computer which could, for example, access a web page, and then have a program written that send out the data in such a way that it can be easily displayed on a terminal display.

Has anyone done this? How hard might it be?


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>>13552
extremely easy with Linux, it's pretty much made for this. You can also easily use old computers to remote login into a newer linux machine in order to harness it's processing power while staying in the comfy old computer GUI. An often used combination I've seen in Retro affectionado circles is old computer+ARM SBC. In many cases, you can probably easily fit the ARM sbc in the case of the newer computer and connect it internally to it's serial port and power supply.

I dug out my Amiga 600 I still have to repair (had leaking caps, removed them already years ago and cleaned the board, just never got around to put it back together) and I just marvel at what an elegant machine it is. Many people hated it back then because It brought nothing new to the table when everyone already had an A500 and it was missing the numpad, and that was actually quite valid critique for it's time but it doesn't matter now.

I have a small RAM expansion for it and was thinking to add an 68010 as CPU (desoldered the old 68000 to clean capacitor gunk) and turn it into a comfy digitial typewriter/serial terminal/gaming machine complete with IDE DOM. I have a Framemeister and a small 12" 800x600 screen which is just perfect. I also have two Eizos 1280x1024 which are in great condition (at least one of them can even take the 15 kHz signal natively) Just need to make the time. I've got tons of other Amiga stuff too.

Also yes, modern tech sucks because of idiot hipsters and soyboys who don't harness what the stuff could do if it was just used correctly, also linux cancer. Aforementioned SBCs could be amazing, they have tons of processing and GPU power. Simply nobody does something with it, everyone is content with circlejerking on social media for likes/upvotes/whatever.

I was often thinking about writing an Intuition-like primitive window manager/GUI engine to bring a non X11/Wayland dependent GUI to them that can be used by application writers and maybe makes direct use of the Hardware of a targeted ARM SOC (Allwinner A20 seemed attractive for this) but it feels like lots of work for little gain in the end and the legacy sunxi kernel code of the A20 that deals with stuff like G2D is just awful to look at.

Sigh, I miss the activity of the old 8ch thread. I think it's safe to say it's not coming back. Where did most of /tech/ go?


Anonymous 09/09/2019 (Mon) 23:42:33 [Preview] No.13555 del
>>13521
>>13549
Damn right, there are some extremely lame things happening with the latest tech sold at stores now

I noticed this thread;
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245607/pg1

Which lists these points why latest tech sucks ass;
1. Introduction of sensors everywhere in everything
2. Removal of the hardware buttons
3. Subscription based software
4. Paper elimination
5. The removal of useful options/features from the devices and the unwanted introduction of new ones
6. Digital virtual currency (Cashless)
7. Everything automated (Driverless cars, trying to remove drivers from driver seat)
8. The complete sealing/enclosed frames of the new devices (strong glue used instead of screws)

I hate the cloud shit which they're peddling in an effort to reduce the usage of personal storage space for digital data

Meanwhile I have hand downs from the 80's which still work like a charm, good old technics amplifier, some big loudspeakers
I'm still sticking with the desktop computer and old digicam while 90% of others I see are just on their phones for everything


Anonymous 09/17/2019 (Tue) 05:17:35 [Preview] No.13561 del
>>13552
Just to add to 13554's reply, if you plug an old 19200 baud serial terminal into a serial port on your Linux box and use getty (or agetty or some variant of getty that should be on in your distro) to open ttyS0 or ttyS1, prompt for a login name, and run /bin/login, you can log on to your linux box with the dumb terminal just like using a terminal window. Then you can run lynx with a URL and you'll be surfing web pages on a 25x80 green screen. Do eeet! :)


Anonymous 09/21/2019 (Sat) 06:04:36 [Preview] No.13656 del
>>13554
super neat.

>I was often thinking about writing an Intuition-like primitive window manager/GUI engine to bring a non X11/Wayland dependent GUI to them that can be used by application writers and maybe makes direct use of the Hardware of a targeted ARM SOC (Allwinner A20 seemed attractive for this) but it feels like lots of work for little gain in the end and the legacy sunxi kernel code of the A20 that deals with stuff like G2D is just awful to look at.

that would be very cool. far beyond what I could do anyway.

>Sigh, I miss the activity of the old 8ch thread. I think it's safe to say it's not coming back. Where did most of /tech/ go?

me too. Maybe they just went out into the world. I ended up putting in some more work on my neocities site. I haven't updated that in a while though. I sometimes lurk 4chan but never post because it's a botnet. lurking is lame there too because it's not as good. I use plebbit sometimes too but it's mostly a cesspool and a waste of time. The best thing to do is do meaningful things in your life and for the most part this means not spending much time online if possible.

There's a nice little ssh server. bit@whisper.onthewifi.com. maybe you'd like to check it out? It has bursts of activity, a few more users wouldn't hurt.

>>13555
everything new is aimed at making life more shitty. less freedom, more control (for them, not us). I don't see why cashiers need to be replaced by robots. Hell, I think it would be nice to have traffic cops instead of traffic lights. Maybe I'm autistic. But people focus too much on things, and themselves, rather than appreciating other people and interacting with them. Why can't we undo automation? for efficiency's sake? none of this matters. our efficient consumption of resources only serves to fuel the whole system which can only end in disaster.

Still got my old thinkpads with me, I use them often enough for a lot of stuff. my tape deck still works like a charm, too.

>>13561
I still can't find a terminal or anything in my area. I'll probably have to get something on ebay and fork over a wad of cash, but it would be worth it. That is, when I have enough money to feel comfortable spending it.


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>>13554
It's likely it fragmented. Everyone had their own second-tier low-velocity chans they checked and once pig chan went down, it was obviously going to happen at some point, they ended up falling back to those places. It's also likely that a portion of those users changed the means of how they access chans,


Anonymous 09/29/2019 (Sun) 20:58:22 [Preview] No.13703 del
>>13702
>Everyone had their own second-tier low-velocity chans they checked

that's true. I know I did that with some SSH boards and places like lainchan.

ssh bit@whisper.onthewifi.com if you want to check out the SSH board.

I personally ended up using (unfortunately) reddit more often. but it's pretty trash. Still haven't found a good /fit/ alternative so far.


Anonymous 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:07:43 [Preview] No.13818 del
>>13656
>that would be very cool. far beyond what I could do anyway.

I played around with the idea a bit just to pretty much find out that the A20 and it's memory bandwith is more than fast enough to do it all in software for 800x600 and 1280x1024 at pleasant speed at least while still leaving enough processing power for other tasks. I'd still like to actually use the hardware included though because I find it sad if a computer has hardware features that just lie unused like that. I've started cleaning up code from the old legacy sunxi kernel a bit to port it to a more modern one, but that means almost rewriting it at this point and right now I'm not even sure anymore if I should bother. Thing is kind of a mess and also the linux kernel can be an incredibly fast moving target sometimes and there are some security considerations. I wonder what driver writing for the *BSDs is like, they seem to move slower. I don't really know anything about them though so I might actually be dead wrong.

By the way, I'm actually mostly ok with X. It's a bit of spaghetti code but it's not really all that bad. What's mostly bad is all the bloat that's been added on top of it and what people mostly notice with it is that it wasn't intended for graphics cards that aren't just mostly dumb framebuffers. All the bloated toolkits and expansions to accommodate newer hardware is what made X really crap. Also current developers don't know wtf they're doing and keep breaking features of it in the worst ways. Seems almost intentional sometimes. I have a very utilitarian fvwm setup that looks like Solaris' CDE and only use very lightweight stuff that either uses X or motif toolkits. Most heavyweight is GTK2 for the browser. I also only run my desktop at 1280x1024 on my A4-5000 which works really fine and enables me to stream entire desktops via LAN without noticeable lag. Don't need a HiDPI screen for bitmap fonts and you notice the lack of empty spaces. I noticed the other day when I got interested in doing something with the A20 that fbdev is in some situations faster and uses less CPU resources than the amdgpu drivers. I think it's all the copies that happen.

>on my neocities site
I think I remember it. Have a link?

>I use plebbit sometimes
Same, I use it to see what's new basically in regards to linux and such, but I don't read the comments anymore.

Well this wasn't much about retro computers so far. Apropos Amiga: I'll order the parts for my A600 from my electronics supplier today. It's gonna get solid state caps I think. I also realized I miss a simple thing with these computers, mainly that they used to be small and silent. I detested fans from the first PC I've gotten and even with all technology that has come since then to make them more silent I still detest them. You still don't get really silent x86. There are some very modern and modestly powerful SoCs you can theoretically run silent but will still overheat and overwhelm their passive cooling as soon as you tax the CPU cores in any way for a prolonged period. The only silent PCs you can get are ARM based, and they often don't play nice with anything except Android. It's really annoying.

>There's a nice little ssh server. bit@whisper.onthewifi.com. maybe you'd like to check it out? It has bursts of activity, a few more users wouldn't hurt.

I poked my head in the other day and will post down the road, my problem is sadly that I sometimes tend to rattle on.

>It's likely it fragmented. Everyone had their own second-tier low-velocity chans they checked and once pig chan went down, it was obviously going to happen at some point, they ended up falling back to those places.

Well the current news is that 8ch will come back as 8kun but I don't trust that pig farmer to keep it running and I also don't trust him to not have sold out to the feds. I don't really have much to hide but I'm sick and tired of having my privacy invaded by them.


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>>13818
>I played around with the idea a bit just to pretty much find out that the A20...dead wrong.

this is really cool actually. I can never seem to get a grip on programming, but my excuse is my classwork and stuff. not a very good excuse, though. I'm struggling through learning how to work with APIs in Python of all things. I used to run this program called WeatherSTAR 4000, that was basically a simulator of the old 1990s era WeatherSTAR hardware run by the Weather Channel. it would display graphics and radar, etc. and local stations could overlay icons and text according to local forecasts. I used to like to keep it running in the background on my CRT TV just for the nice atmosphere. But I guess the national weather service changed the API a bit, so the developers released a new version of the program which is bloat junk, so I figured it would be a nice project/learning experience to try to replicate at least the abilities of the early 1980s WeatherSTAR hardware in Python.

I usually just go with XFCE on my Devuan installs. it's light enough for me. But on my old thinkpad it's a shame since linux has poor support for the card in my laptop, so I have to use Windows XP instead on the damn thing. without the video drivers it struggles to scroll a text file in devuan. Although XP isn't bad, I enjoy using it and I recently got it set up to run a 3d printer slicer program and control a 3d printer, so I'm glad it's being put to use. Nothing like giving an old machine a new job.

>neocities
I'm not the spyware watchdog, just have my own small site. I think it looks good but is otherwise a bit lame.

https://floppys-lounge.neocities.org/

> I'll order the parts for my A600 from my electronics supplier today.

Nice. I have been wanting an Amiga for some time now. I've seen videos of people running email clients on them and stuff like that. games of course and MIDI players, I think (but I'm not sure) that they have ethernet modules for them. Nothing gets me going like putting an old computer online. Well, maybe not nothing. But it's up there.

>I poked my head in the other day and will post down the road, my problem is sadly that I sometimes tend to rattle on.

who cares, anyway? rattle on, my dude. back when einchan was still up I realized I had made the latest post in almost every thread on the server, felt like I was talking to myself. But it's slow, so that's how it tends to go. I keep trying to post the link and get more people to pop in hoping it will jumpstart the post rate to something more constant rather than isolated spikes.

I don't trust 8ch coming back either. I'll see what it's like, but I don't think it will be the same. and that's sad. It's not like I was discussing revolution or being edgy. I literally just used to use /fit/ and /tech/ and they were actually welcoming places to be where people were nice. Nothing to do but see where it goes from here.

(see, I can rattle on as good as anyone!)

To keep it kind of on topic, although at this point I don't really care as long as people are posting, I've decided to take on a small electronics project. I just bought a bag phone, it's a Radio Shack model. Pic related, it's got a brick connected to a handset. I'm hoping to gut the hardware and replace it with an arduino and LTE modem. normally I'd feel bad about doing that to old hardware but at least this way it can do what it was meant to do, make phone calls, again. should be difficult, but fun.


Anonymous 10/31/2019 (Thu) 12:55:39 [Preview] No.13874 del
>I'm struggling through learning how to work with APIs in Python of all things.

It's often falsely advertised as good for getting into programming but python sucks for that. It's mainly for non-programmers that just want to glue shit together to get things up and running quickly without even really understanding what they just did, not good for learning the principles of programming. I recommend old programming books. Even if it's for some language that's not really used anymore with alien syntax like Forth. It's really good for learning and these books are written well by very knowledgeable people. With shit like python you just google together random tutorials from the internet that are written by random webdevs who often don't know themselves what they're doing. ebooks you can find are often not much better. I also really cannot stand this uwu oopsie whoopsie fucky-wucky style new tutorials and ebooks are often written in. It's supposed to ease people in but I actually think it's disruptive to learning and it also makes the entire field look like a joke.

If you want to cross this over with the retro computing hobby, you could get any version of forth you can find for the C64. That's how I started out. Some readers will maybe now scream I'm trolling you because fucking forth with it's weird reverse polish notation and a C64 but no, really. If you try to write something seriously for it, you *will* learn about programming and the constraints of that machine can be actually helpful for scope. Also if you're not up to speed, refresh your math. So many programmers these days don't know basic math stuff, it's embarrassing. You can program without being good at math but you'll always be very average. Also math is cool. It lets you develop elegant solutions.

>https://floppys-lounge.neocities.org/

Yes, that's actually the site I remember. bookmarked!

>Nice. I have been wanting an Amiga for some time now.

I picked up a bunch when they were still electronics junk and not collectors items. Some of these computers I picked up from flea markets for five bucks or from the side of the road, because I thought it was a pity to see them go into the trash. I removed leaky batteries and capacitors and removed any damage they left but not all are in working order. I haven't even unpacked the electronic parts for the A600 and an old XT with extensive battery damage I also wanted to repair yet. I have an old 800x600 12" LCD I use with the old computers and an xrgb mini, but I haven't had any luck with feeding a RGBHV signal to it. (crude sync combiners aren't good enough, apparently, even when accounting for the polarity) The screen has DVI-D and VGA inputs and the VGA is noisy as hell sadly. Great for digital via mini, not so great for VGA PCs. The Eizos I have work better but feel a bit big at 17" for old DOS content and also stretch the image because of 5:4 aspect ratio. I tried to make a few changes to get the noise down but it didn't help a lot sadly.

The a600 is quite usable with a small DOM-Module. I also have a FastRAM expansion module that clips on the CPU for it, which doesn't hurt. My other options would be an A2000 with Blizzard 2060 accelerator and some graphics card (have several) or an A1200 with Blizzard 1230 IV. In my opinion, the accelerators, just like the graphics cards, are overrated in the Amigas though. When they came around, the Amiga was already in it's death throes and there's barely any software that's really useful and needs them, and it's more likely you run into compatibility problems than anything. The Amigas are also really not built for some of them and there are problems with power supply etc.. The most useful thing you could do on a fast Amiga besides some old Unix is run MacOS System 7. (which works a bit like a VM) That made sense back then to get newer and better software, but nowadays it's easier and also cheaper to just get an old Mac if you wanna run an old MacOS.

>I'm hoping to gut the hardware and replace it

Any luck with that yet? Would write more but this board has an aggr char limit.


Anonymous 11/11/2019 (Mon) 20:02:02 [Preview] No.13900 del
https://www.plexilaser.de/Acrylglas-Gehaeuse-fuer-Amiga-600-Teilesatz

I found this cool thing today and now I want to put my A600 into a desktop case. I don't really like the inbuilt keyboard and this would be really nice. There's also apparently a module you can use to connect an USB keyboard. I guess the A600 got so much love because of the Vampire. I have no interest in the Vampire but I like this.


Anonymous 11/14/2019 (Thu) 03:15:51 [Preview] No.13902 del
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>>13874
>It's often falsely advertised as good for getting into programming but python sucks for that. It's mainly for non-programmers that just want to glue shit together

I never thought of it that way, but it does make sense. I took a basic class in C some time ago, and didn't remember most of it. I still have Borland Turbo C for DOS under DOSBox from back then because I refused to use the visual studio trash they used in class. Right now, I'm learning a bit of MATLAB since I'm studying engineering. That's basically the extent of my experience.

>If you want to cross this over with the retro computing hobby, you could get any version of forth you can find for the C64.
This might be an idea, actually. They also had BASIC and others, too, for the C64 didn't they? I would probably still prefer an Amiga to a C64, but looking on the Web it seems that C64s actually are not priced out of my reach. But it's hard to justify spending hundreds at the moment. Maybe I should start trawling my local dumpsters, school ewaste, and recyling centers again...

As for math, I'd say I'm competent. I mean, I know my calculus since like I said I'm studying engineering. Although, I think something more like number theory would be better for programming in some ways.

>Yes, that's actually the site I remember. bookmarked!

thanks.

>I picked up a bunch when they were still electronics junk and not collectors items

absolutely nice. good on you for saving them from the landfill. I also have a 5:4 screen and to be honest I don't like it so much. I'd much rather use 4:3. Do you have a CRT TV? a small 9 inch one might be perfect for a C64.

I've heard of those Amiga cards. they're cool I guess but like you said maybe not so useful. Although I have seen ethernet adapters for Amigas. I remember seeing a video online where someone was able to use an Amiga to send and receive email, which is pretty damn cool. and also access a telnet BBS. Perhaps if SSH could be gotten to work on one, you could visit whisperchan on your amiga. not sure if that's possible though.

>Any luck with that yet?
I took the thing apart and I gotta say I really thought the insides would be a lot simpler. I guess I was expecting to see a less dense PCB, but it seems that this is a phone from the 90s and so has more complex components than an older car phone might have.

I was hoping that the handset part would simply be a keypad, screen, speaker, etc. and that the real hardware would all be inside the transceiver box. But, the handset PCB is very complex. So, it won't be feasible to reuse the old hardware. the keypad matrix is printed on the PCB. Even the screen was surprisingly high-tech. it appears to be just a clear glass panel, but on closer inspection it has electrical traces on the edges that are much, much finer than a hair. and it attaches to the contacts on the PCB by what looks like a rubber gasket. I can only assume that the gasket is z-axis conductive, that is, current can pass up and down but not side to side. so when you stick it on top of the contacts, and then stick the LCD glass on top, the current from contacts can pass into the screen.

so, trying to reuse that is basically out of the question. I do not have nearly the level of skill it would take to try to wire a microcontroller in to these complex parts. there is a Motorola chip on the board as well, I considered perhaps trying to program this chip, but ultimately I think it will prove a waste of time. I would have liked to be able to preserve the internals as much as possible, but it seems like I will have to replace most of it. the plan then would be to reuse the membrane keypad, speakers, microphone, buttons, etc. I'd have to fabricate a matrix for the keypad, and find an LCD display that could fit where the old one went. even the backlight LEDs for the keypad are miniscule surface mount components. it's a shame, I would have liked to keep it as original as possible. It will take some time and money so for now I'm putting it aside.


Anonymous 11/14/2019 (Thu) 03:17:51 [Preview] No.13903 del
>>13900
that looks pretty cool although I prefer beige cases myself. can you connect other USB devices?


Anonymous 11/15/2019 (Fri) 18:32:42 [Preview] No.13915 del
>>13903
There's an adapter to connect usb keyboards too. I'm not deep into what the Amiga fan club produces these days but there seem to be lots of cool developments. Some make sense, some are really besides the point. (super fast FPGA emulation that basically replaces the entire computer, what's the point in that? Why even bother? Why not use an emulator on a PC?)

There's also this case:
https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/Products.aspx

I saw pictures of it and it really is beautiful and has a very classic look while being new. I miss these "Pizzabox"-cases. 200 bucks for what amounts to a plastic case is kinda nuts though.


Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 22:57:38 [Preview] No.13917 del
>>13915
that is a nice looking case but I agree that is way too expensive. you can get ATX computer cases with more features, parts, and metal components for less.


Anonymous 11/20/2019 (Wed) 01:29:43 [Preview] No.13920 del
>I took a basic class in C some time ago, and didn't remember most of it.

C is actually a pretty good language many people nowadays are scared of because they heard about garbage collection and manual memory management. Both are handleable, especially for small projects and C is so widespread because it's a simple and flexible language. The hoops you have to jump through with the claimed "easier" languages don't really make them much easier at all in many cases IMHO. I can warmly recommend "The C Programming Language" co-authored by Richie, the creator of the C language. It's an old book (first version is from 1978) and therefore it sometimes references stuff that can (largely) be ignored today like outdated computer architectures but it's still very relevant and very concisely written. One of the best programming books I've ever read, hands down. You do need to at least have an idea about programing though. It also doesn't explain to you how to handle your compiler or your OS. I'd advise gcc with some unixoid as environment, as the exercises work best if you can use UNIX pipes and such and Richie co-created Unix after all.

>They also had BASIC and others, too, for the C64 didn't they?
They have, the excellent "Business BASIC" cartridge for example.
All this stuff also works in an emulator. I'd stay away from computer hoarding like most people do (and how the prices became what they're now) and just make a nice investment into one system you'll use and also fix when necessary. Breakdowns are actually really rare as long as the power supplies are ok. There was a lot of text about that here but the character limit struck again. This board kinda sucks.

>Do you have a CRT TV? a small 9 inch one might be perfect for a C64.

I was thinking about this and even though they're aplenty on places like ebay for very little money, almost nobody wants to send them because of weight and fragility. I'm not gonna go cross country to fetch an old TV. Eventually something will fall into my lap I hope.

>Although I have seen ethernet adapters for Amiga
I have a few zorro ethernet cards. My 68060@50Mhz-accelerated A2000 with my fastest card tops out at ~100 kb/s real speed with an FTP program which really is blazing for an computer from 1987. You need a fast accelerator to do the encryption and decryption you need with the modern internet though and even then it will be dead-slow. Last time I checked (which is admittedly a few years ago) the most modern SSH program for the amiga only supported SSH-1, which is unsafe and not supported in any modern ssh daemon I'm aware of. Amiga email programs I'm aware of only support unencrypted POP3/SMTP which many email providers don't support anymore. (and which would be unsafe to use these days anyways)

The best way to get a basic, un-expanded Amiga online is a serial connection to another computer, small ARM SBCs are good for this. You just connect both computers via an USB-to-serial adapter, run a telnet daemon on the SBC and then use a terminal program on the Amiga. Then you can run programs like for mail, internet (lynx) or ssh on the SBC. Most SBCs are more than fast enough for that and you get the benefit of modern software on a modern OS. Just like an old unix shell account, basically. There's tons of terminal programs for Amigas which will run fine on any default 68000@~7Mhz.

There's also the plipbox you can build yourself and connect to the parallel port. It's some arudino-based thingie and I have one somewhere. It's basically ethernet via parallel port. Might be a good solution for faster Amigas, I like the serial one better. Fits better to the technology.

>It will take some time and money so for now I'm putting it aside.
What a pity but somehow also not too surprising. These things sometimes were complex as hell. It's reasonable to put it aside for now.


Anonymous 11/20/2019 (Wed) 01:31:56 [Preview] No.13921 del
>that looks pretty cool although I prefer beige cases myself. can you connect other USB devices?

Nah, just a keyboard, it basically is a microcontroller with an HID stack. There are other expansions that support usb in the Amiga but I don't think it's needed to be honest, like these insane FPGA accelerators that basically emulate the entire Amiga hardware, just faster than the real silicon. Again, why not just use a modern computer then?

I really like that case because I can do some hardware mods in it without ruining an original case and it's also cheap enough so that it doesn't hurt to cut it up. I'm now going back and forth between wanting to put an A1200 together or an A600. I like how small the A600 is, and it's also *the* classic chipset 16-bit Amiga. Besides obviously gaming, I want to write and do pixel art on it, the downside is that the classic chipset is limited to 32 colors out of a rather limited palette in normal screen modes, and well even with fastRAM a 68010 at ~7 Mhz is kinda slow. It'd still be cool to go so barebones though. Minimalism in a way.

The A1200 does the full 256 colors and is a considerably faster 32-bit system I also have accelerator cards for. I also have a cool soundcard for it that can decode and play mp3s with an onboard Motorola DSP chip that could also be programmed for other purposes. On the other hand, all A1200 are kinda unstable because of chipset bugs and timing issues. The case would also be considerably bigger to house the bigger PCB.

Whatever I do, one hardware mod I want to do is build a PicoPSU into the case and supply that with an external 12V brick. Much nicer than the old power supply I have.

Choices, Choices.

>that is a nice looking case but I agree that is way too expensive. you can get ATX computer cases with more features, parts, and metal components for less.

It was actually closer to 300 bucks with all the required parts and probably way past 300 with shipping and customs. I really wanted one, but then I remembered that I'm not insane. Amiga fanboys can be milked for money rather easily.


Anonymous 11/20/2019 (Wed) 23:47:55 [Preview] No.13925 del
>>13920
somewhat agree with you on the computer hoarding thing. It's probably best to have fewer things you use more often. but also sometimes if they're gonna scrap something I feel the need to "save" it.

I think ebay is not too great for CRTs due to shipping. I lucked out once and got one for $30 + $15 shipping though, but deals like that are hard to come by. craigslist and looking locally is probably a better bet.

>The best way to get a basic, un-expanded Amiga online is a serial connection to another computer

this is a good idea. I was thinking of doing something like this, I could probably even use an old serial terminal, too.

>What a pity but somehow also not too surprising. These things sometimes were complex as hell. It's reasonable to put it aside for now.

yeah I bit off a bit more than I can chew with this one. When I have the resources I'll get back on it.


Anonymous 11/23/2019 (Sat) 04:13:33 [Preview] No.13929 del
>>13921
agreed, emulating the hardware just isn't the same. It's still kind of cool though.

>I really like that case because I can do some hardware mods in it without ruining an original case and it's also cheap enough so that it doesn't hurt to cut it up.
Good! Seeing people cut up and mangle computers to fit in a stupid USB port or some junk makes me mad.

I would find it hard to decide between the two as well. Sometimes I think about if I had the money, space, etc. what my ideal "setup" would look like in terms of computing, more specifically vintage computers. I know I would like a DOS system for sure, whether that would be something more like an 8088 system, or something like a DOS/Win98 system with a Pentium inside, I don't know. Then perhaps an Amiga or Commodore machine, maybe both... At least I don't have much money so deciding what I want isn't a problem, yet.


Anonymous 11/23/2019 (Sat) 17:06:35 [Preview] No.13931 del
>somewhat agree with you on the computer hoarding thing.

Well, if you find the things on the side of the road then of course take it home but that has gotten incredibly rare these days. Even thrift stores have heard that classical computers can be worth a lot.

I sit on these computers mostly because I couldn't afford them back then and then collected them when the hipster crowd that collects them now threw them all out 20-30 years ago to make space for their fancy new macs, before retro got hip. Big difference there. Now I feel it difficult to part with them, on one side of the history how I got some of this stuff on the other that I don't really want to sell anything to these hoarders. Maybe that sounds nuts but so be it, we older people tend to go a bit nuts with age.

>Good! Seeing people cut up and mangle computers to fit in a stupid USB port or some junk makes me mad.

That also is a thing the aforementioned hipsters love to do because they have dozens of the systems and the bragging points they get for posting their "cool" hardware mods are more important to them than keeping the old technology like it was. That's also why they love this modernizing FPGA crap, they don't really care about the old technology the time it existed in or what made it all tick. They care about spending big sums for the perceived value and bragging rights.

I make exceptions for stuff that's already broken and where modifications have a restoration value or are mods that are easy to revert. e.g. If you have a case that has some cracks and the only way to restore it is to glue it and then paint over to make it less visible, then that's fine IMHO.

>or something like a DOS/Win98 system
I have a Cyrix MediaGX, it's a very early x86 SoC. You can find them for very cheap because they're not sought after much and they're often thin clients, very compact systems. Throw an IDE DOM or something in and they're prefect tiny DOS/Win98 systems with decent soundblaster capability and ok (and very compatible) 2D graphics. Performance-wise they're on the level of an early-to-midrange Pentium. Bit faster if you can throw an external graphics card in. (some thin clients have one PCI slot)


Anonymous 11/23/2019 (Sat) 17:09:03 [Preview] No.13932 del
Oh also if you dig a little, the MediaGX has some special "hidden" flags for it's CPU that can fine-tune it a bit faster, like experimental branch prediction and such.

The A600 I finally fixed was swimming in capacitor -and it's RTC/memory expansion in battery- gunk and it left it's traces too, mostly some silk screen came off in places with cleaning on the main PCB and one soldering pad came off and I don't trust the heat resistance of the glue of the other ones anymore. I also removed the battery-gunk affected solder mask from the expansion. Not a "collectors item" anymore I guess. I ended up replacing all the decoupling capacitors with tantalum (the classic yellow MNO2 ones) and the rail-filter caps either with electrolytic through-hole or polymer, as tantalum would've gotten a little too big there with derating and there was very little that'd limit the current if they do short out. The expansion I also modified to work with a modern CR2032.

I had to replace some gunk-damaged components (e.g. audio op-amp, some transistors) with equivalent, newer parts as the original parts are not made anymore. I also removed the current-limiting resistors at the game ports and replaced them with polyfuses, it's a bit safer especially since the traces there are very thin.

I also replaced the cinch connectors with brand-new ones. The old ones looked a bit rusty.

After studying the schematics I was very critical about using stuff like ceramics or the very low ESR polymer/hybrid caps. Especially in the 555-based reset circuit etc. I could imagine without adapting they might make stuff work funky. (at least as-is, without modifying the circuit) The Tantalums are surge-robust ones and their ESR isn't as low as some stuff you get these days, I think they'll work fine and will last a very long-ass time, probably longer than me. Also they look fancy on the board and the board looks like it was produced that way with them. (Tantalum-covered hardware was a sign of expensive and high quality back then, both the A600 never was)

I could have also simply taken SMD electrolytics and while they would've lasted a lot longer than the originals and would've been cheaper I want to save future people or me from having to solder on that board again. I also don't know if the A600 will see that much regular usage in the future.

All in all I'm very happy with how it looks now. I need a website to post about all this.

Next step will be getting that case, a PicoPSU and a power connector that I'll fit in the place where now the filter coil is. With the PicoPSU closeby, I won't need it anymore. I'll also might get a HxC Floppy emulator I think, the case of it could be modified to also hold the PicoPSU. Also yes, it was hard but after all the repairing I did on the A600, it'd be a shame to not use it now, even though the A1200 is technically better. I just made tons of bad experiences with the AGA chipset in general, the chipset had multiple revisions , manufacturers and bugs and the A1200 has screwy timing problems and loves to crash/memory corrupt for no reason. The A600 is solid and most software wasn't created with AGA in mind anyways. Shame about the pixel art though, and that's the last thing that gives me pause in picking it over the A1200. You only get a palette of 32 out of 4096 colors with the old chipset, the new chipset is 256-colors out of 24 bit, so not really graphically limited if you like and wanna do pixel art.


Anonymous 11/24/2019 (Sun) 14:41:00 [Preview] No.13937 del
>more like an 8088 system

I just remembered an interesting expansion. It was called the PowerPC board (nothing to do with the PowerPC architecture, that didn't exist yet) and would go into the trapdoor slot of an A500. It came with 512 kb of RAM and RTC, but also a NEC V20 CPU (faster 8088) and some custom ASIC. In it's off state it'd work as a normal RAM expansion, but when turned on with it's software on the Amiga side it'd turn the A500 into a fully compatible XT PC. It'd use the custom chipset and the CPU of the Amiga to do Soundblaster compatible sound and up to VGA emulation and could also use the disk drive and even a harddrive file (or partition, memory is foggy there) as full harddrive, if an compatible HDD expansion was connected. You could run an all normal DOS and it was actually faster than most default XTs, especially if you had a CPU accelerator running on the amiga side. (it could also use FastRAM on the accelerator as RAM for the PC) That thing was incredibly clever built, I have one of them.

Here it is:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/powerpc

There was also the Vortex ATonce which was a tiny 286. It was literally a 286 CPU, another small custom chip and a 68000 on a tiny PCB. You'd plug it into the CPU socket of old chipset Amigas and it'd work similar to the aforementioned thing. This one was kinda slow though compared to real 286s and didn't support as much stuff. I got one when an old engineering bureau a friend worked in closed down, still in it's original packaging. They used to use these boards to establish compatibility to PCs and their software without having to buy another, very expensive computers. For the bigboxes there were also bridgeboards that did the same, they were a lot like industrial SBCs though and not as cleverly/tightly integrated as those two.

http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/atonce

So at least the first one would be two retro computers packaged tightly into one. They're probably hard to get though.


Anonymous 12/07/2019 (Sat) 22:40:36 [Preview] No.13959 del
>>13931
>I make exceptions for stuff that's already broken and where modifications have a restoration value or are mods that are easy to revert. e.g. If you have a case that has some cracks and the only way to restore it is to glue it and then paint over to make it less visible, then that's fine IMHO.

yeah then it's really not bad. same goes for cars, if you take a wreck and fix it up and end up making it unoriginal it's okay because otherwise it would have been scrapped. I was on Lainchan the other day and some hipster doofus ruined a walkman to put a fucking memeberry pi inside of it. it will probably not even get used much.

>thin clients
I've definitely considered the thin client route. But personally I think I'd prefer a big hulking metal box instead. Then again the convenience is pretty good. I remember some videos online that explored this. When I remember them I'll post a link.


Anonymous 12/12/2019 (Thu) 18:32:46 [Preview] No.13966 del
>>13959
>But personally I think I'd prefer a big hulking metal box instead

Yes the big boxes are more flexible, more fun to thinker with and you can also decide the hardware on a more granular level. The space gains of a thin client are nothing to scoff at, though.

I also have a small Thinclient with Transmeta CPU. It was a very simple 128 bit VLIW CPU that was meant to emulate other CPU cores and being update-able with new instruction sets (MMX etc.) in software, only a x86 core was ever made though. The Amiga community pre-FPGA days got very excited about this thing because they dreamt of a 68k core as means of saving the Amiga. Not really feasible when the thing came out. Had also shit performance for the time it came out and the company folded quickly. The CPU reaches about mid-level P3 speeds while being entirely passively cooled and the entire board consumes max. ~7W, it has an ATI Rage chip integrated also IIRC. Also interesting about the Board is that it's ITX form factor and only needs a 12V power supply, everything else is already integrated onboard, just need to plug the external power supply in. It also has a PCI slot you can use with appropriate case. Very cool, compact computer. I always wanted to use it for '95-'99 Windows games. (everything later runs the best on a modern computer) The thing with PCs is that you can't really make a single PC cover 'em all so thin clients make it attractive to have several.

After a bit of planning, I desoldered the ATX Connector from the PicPSU I got for the A600. I plan to directly put it in space upright in place where the input coil was, with thicker 0,8mm silver-coated copper wire, directly soldered to the board. It's a bit complicated but will look nice and I don't need any additional wiring. I'll also connect the ATX power_ok signal to the Amiga's _RESET line and forego that funky 555 circuit the Amiga originally has. I'll also connect the +5V standby of the PicoPSU to the RTC of the expansion so it doesn't drain the coin cell so godamn quickly. All these mods are easily reversible with a good soldering iron. Maybe I can also bodge a crowbar circuit in place under the board, the space of where the coil was is very inviting for it. That will require some microsurgery though.

Still wish there was a somewhat more active place for retro tech. I checked 8kuns techbunker and literally the first thread I saw was about Hitler and UFOs, then the usual (((bla))) schizo shit. Same kind of shit that made 8chans tech unreadable. Noped right the fuck out. I think it's time I check out that ssh bbs more in depth if it's still alive.


Anonymous 12/12/2019 (Thu) 23:01:46 [Preview] No.13970 del
>>13966
I found that video, it's by "Phil's Computer Lab".

https://invidio.us/watch?v=5iDLPF6x0RY

Yes, a thin client is attractive, having a ton of towers isn't practical. I do remember seeing cases that had dual motherboard space but I don't think they make those anymore and it would still be huge anyway.

good luck with the rest of the soldering there.

whisperchan is still up, it's not very active and there seems to be an autismo furry online. but otherwise it's fine.


Anonymous 12/21/2019 (Sat) 04:26:16 [Preview] No.13980 del
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>>13959
https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/

I couldn't find it earlier for some reason, but searching the thin client in the video brought the site up as second hit. It's a guy who cataloged a lot of older thin clients. Very useful.

I finally sat down and put everything together. The 0,8mm copper wire is stiff enough to hold it well in place and it fits perfectly in the corner where the power connector and coil was, without interfering with the modulator next to it with space, yet it's also soft enough that it won't take damage from reasonable mechanical stress. You only need to run out the wires for the +12V and a switch. No cable salad, no big atx adapters (they gotta be big because the connector is) no losses wiring the +5V all over the place from too far away from the board. Just add an external +12V brick. Now I think, if you put it in an angled position, you could also add it in a way where it fits into an original case. Then you could desolder the power connector and run the +12V wire (and optionally a switch) out of the resulting space. If you want to turn the computer back into original state, just desolder the PicoPSU and put the power connector and coil back in.

The only thing I'm a bit worried about is that both the brick and the picoPSU were made for machines that are a lot "hungrier" and they might not recognize a fault/short circuit condition as such without burning down the board first, gleefully taking sudden 20W raises in consumption, even if it's only converted into heat. It's probably a good idea to find out what the machine in question consumes at maximum and then to put a fuse on the +12V coming from the brick accordingly.

I had a lot of fun with the A600. I put in an IDE-DOM module (128mb, plenty for this and avoids all the weird problems of too big drives) and did a small WB 3.1 installation. DPaint 5, Brilliance, Turbotext, Final Calc and now I'm playing around with terminal software. I also updated the Firmware in my Framemeister and can finally set a dot clock there. Via Dpaint I threw then up a moire pattern and fine tuned. Now the picture is as sharp as WinUAE. Not even kidding. See attached picture. I'm pretty amazed at this. I have it all hooked up to a 12" 800x600 LCD right now.

It's amazing what a big difference the 4 MB FastRAM make for usability of an unexpanded Amiga and a crime that Commodore left it out. If they would've put in a 68000 at 14 Mhz, and added some cache/FastRAM they would've made the original design a lot faster without really making it a lot more expensive, even in 80s bucks.

That said, it's still amazing how useful the machine is like this. e.g. Final Calc is a perfectly usable spreadsheet program even with big amounts of data. If I see how my modern PC almost falls into a coma every time I try to open some google spreadsheet link, I wonder where we went so wrong. If you pick your Amiga programs very carefully, such an "slow" Amiga can be quite useful if you don't mind the occasional slow scrolling. It's also a lot more simple and robust than the shaky A1200 for example.


Anonymous 12/26/2019 (Thu) 13:39:19 [Preview] No.13985 del
It's absolutely nuts to me what people can do these days at pcb manufacturers, some people made entirely new amiga mainboards even, and they aren't even *that* expensive to produce. I was a bit unhappy with the performance of the A600 regarding it's serial port, as I intend to use it also as a Terminal of sorts. Paula (who is the chip that does sound, disk drive and serial) isn't really a great serial chip. No buffers, no interrupts, pure polling, very CPU intensive. There were expansions later on that added proper PC-style UART chips to the Amiga via clockport, but they're hardly available these days and I wouldn't have a way to connect them. I found a file on aminet that has such a design, and also found an Open source A600 kicad project for an 1 MB expansion + RTC. I decided to add an UART chip to that design and have it manufactured, a second serial port on the expansion connector so to speak. Crazy that it's even possible to do this for very little money. My very own expansion.

I also saw another board that lets you add a Rasperry Pi to the Amiga 500 expansion port. The Pi gets full access to the ChipRAM of the Amiga, which can be used to exchange files and even play videos via Amiga. Pretty cool, albeit a bit useless imho.


Anonymous 12/31/2019 (Tue) 01:38:21 [Preview] No.13986 del
>>13423
I own a NIC identical to the one in your picture but it has a green PCB. What model is yours?


Anonymous 01/04/2020 (Sat) 13:57:33 [Preview] No.13998 del
>>13985
There's better async serial solutions for Amigas.
Modern and old.


Anonymous 01/09/2020 (Thu) 00:12:10 [Preview] No.14001 del
>>13998
yeah I know. If I'm up to date, I think the fastest you could go right now with an FASTRammed A600 would be a PCMCIA network card with the roadshow TCP/IP stack but I want a computer thing without TCP/IP in my house. I also don't really like the layers of abstraction it adds. Not that it would be a computational problem, it's more of a philosophical and nostalgic one. Amiga for me personally when I got my first one back in the day was the time before LANs or even computerized things everywhere and it just doesn't "feel right" to me. Just don't want it, don't need it.

If I want fast I have plenty of silicone around that goes a lot faster without much of an effort. I've used faster Amigas with some really fast acceleration cards and somehow it's like putting a Porsche engine into a Lada beyond some point. It just doesn't make a lot of sense except for dick-measuring contests. A very moderate 020 expansion that doubles or triples the system clock so the CPU can get a few extra cycles between the chipset is where I see the Amiga at the very fastest. Everything else is diminishing returns and IMHO, kinda nonsense in this day and age. I don't understand why you'd want to invite the bloatedness and shittiness of the modern IT world into such a simple and elegant system.

Back to topic - Then you also could use the parallel port for file transfer, you could even use the external disk port to implement a faster serial port with some glue logic, most of all though a serial port that doesn't strain the CPU as much. I once had a SPI interface implemented on the disk drive port, it was a while ago. You can generally get a lot of speed out of that port if you put the effort in, the CIAs are not that slow. For a computer from 1987 that is. Kids nowadays would say the parallel port and disk drive port can be used as GPIO.

Then you could also install the various patches and implementations of the serial.device that are less CPU-heavy than the Commodore-supplied one. I like artser most there as it's the one that breaks the least from my tests.

I did none of the above and instead found a 16 bit RS232 card for the PCMCIA port for five bucks. That's a lot cheaper&easier than whipping sth. up. I can max it out pretty much and functionally it's more or less the same than what I was planning. There was even already a driver with source code included on aminet, which is always nice.

I had so much fun with this little setup in the last few days, more than I had with IT in general for a long time, which made me ignore all my other projects for the time being. I did some writing/organizing/journaling (yea gay) and some pixel art stuff. I like to just turn everything electronic off, sit down at the Amiga with a cup of coffee and go at what I want to do. The only sound is the disk clicking the gotek's speaker makes. (yes I can turn that off, I don't wanna) I imported the old narrator.device from 2.05 into 3.1 and have the Amiga occasionally drone some information at me with the robotic voice. That was the future world we dreamed about until it turned into well.. this.

I pulled an old Mitsubishi FDD with black bezel out of my computer piles and I plan to modify it for the use with the Amiga, it should fit very well with the smoked acrylic case. While the Flash-Floppy Gotek is practical, I have a metric ton of old floppy disks. I kinda wanna use them and want the tactility of them back. I even found one of my old disk boxes. Dunno.. seemed like an interesting idea.

Next step after that is higher integration with a fast ARM linux machine via arexx and a gcc environment for 68k. Compared to the Amiga, every ARM is a supercomputer and some of that processing power could be harnessed to expand some functionality or just to speed up some number crunching. I also wanted to look for a good Amiga forth interpreter/compiler.


Anonymous 01/09/2020 (Thu) 00:38:32 [Preview] No.14002 del
>>13998
Somehow I misread the post and my brain replaced serial with "transfer" which is quite the brainfart. Point stil l stands, I'm fine with my simple solution. All I mostly wanted from it is speed up the Terminal a little.


Anonymous 01/14/2020 (Tue) 00:26:53 [Preview] No.14011 del
I've run into AmigaOS 3.1.4 and it's buggy as fuck. The 3.1.4.1 update fixes a few things but is quite hard to find online.

Since I hate the Amiga Community and that amiga warez site smells like a huge honeypot (they reject all accounts with anonymous mail providers hmmm wonder why) and also since am kind of a cock I attached it to this post.

3.1.4 itself should be easy enough to find, check piratebay, it's on there.

mod pls don't bully but this place is dead anyways.



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