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Old Technology Thread Anonymous 08/10/2019 (Sat) 22:16:52 [Preview] No. 13422
Last one I had up on 8ch is down so I'll make one here. Post pictures and discuss old technology and your projects.

Computer software, hardware, audio equipment, electronics etc. all welcome.

I visited an electronics swap meet today in my are for the first time. I wish I'd been sooner, up to now I had no idea I could find this stuff at such a good price. I was able to get a docking station for a newer thinkpad of mine, but I'm still looking for one for my x20 which as it turns out, is a huge pain to install an OS onto.

Also hoping to get a record player soon, most likely something from Technics just because I think it's good. Any brand recommendations or things to look for?


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>>13422
I always hit up the Ham Radio field days in my area. Can be a bit of a lucky-dip if there's even anything at all, but still have scored some neat stuff for cheap.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 06:04:25 [Preview] No.13424 del
>>13423
that is pretty neat. Do you do ham radio or just go to those field days to get stuff? How's that thinkpad running?


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 06:29:28 [Preview] No.13425 del
>>13423
What is the brown rectangular box with the display in it? That's some pretty cool stuff you found. What will you use the modem for?


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 07:56:05 [Preview] No.13429 del
>>13424
I am a Ham now, but I went to the field days for about 10 years before.
I'm wondering where the hell that Thinkpad is.. The Netgear gigabit switch underneath it is on the table here.
>>13425
LCD display from a Bus fare machine. It didn't work, though. The modem-- I got that because I was 'repurposing' old microprocessor things like that into being 'real computers'; I reprogrammed the EPROM in it with Microsoft BASIC and played the classic David Ahl BASIC games on it. \o/


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 16:30:22 [Preview] No.13430 del
>>13422
Bump
Really interested about this topic


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 18:57:14 [Preview] No.13431 del
>>13429
isn't it pretty easy to pass the Ham test?

>>13430
I'm so glad people are posting in this thread, I used to be on 8/tech/ all the time and having this now is nice.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 06:38:37 [Preview] No.13432 del
>>13431
The entry-level ones are no challenge for a /tech/nician, at least the Australian an UK Foundation licenses, which is mostly a multiple-choice exam what want to check you know which end of a microphone to hold-- but the catch is you're little-more than a CB Operator with what you can do (low power, voice-only). Unless you /want/ to listen to CBtards all day (all the 4WD owners who spam the Repeaters with their 'Driveway Proximity Updates'), the Foundation (Technician too?) will shit you to tears.

The Advanced license I've got was about nine months of casual study, but again nothing an Science/Engineering/IT Undergrad couldn't handle (..if they've got the time) ..but I can do anything a ham man can.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 11:07:05 [Preview] No.13436 del
I liked this thread on 8ch's /tech/, it lately got a bit retarded with the spamming and general /pol/ influences and weird hostility and trolling so maybe this new start somewhere else might be good and we'll see more life and productive threads with time. Maybe not. Quality over quantity at any rate.

I've got a thing for physically small machines, like thin clients. They're also often very easy to fit in tiny spaces which is good for me as I don't have a lot of room. (Also love ARM computers for the same reason)

I've got a Cyrix MediaGX SoC thin client with full BIOS where I installed Win98 on an IDE DOM, I love that tiny silent computer and it's my go to machine for many DOS games. It has integrated VGA and Soundblaster support (complete with midi) and is about as fast as Pentium MMX 166-233. Cool little machine. It has an open ISA/PCI slot for one expansion card and I was thinking about adding a graphics card in there, maybe something from Matrox or a Voodoo Rush, since the VGA output is not the best quality-wise. Funnily I have no complaints about the Audio. Even the OPL3 emulation while certainly "having it's own character" is quite fitting.

I want to have another go at Daggerfall on this machine, anyone have good guides for Daggerfall and even maybe must-have patches?

I also still have to fix my A600, it's been lying around for years. I removed the leaking caps and cleaned the board, just basically have to put it back together again. I removed the CPU (since gunk was everywhere and I needed to clean below it) and have the option of adding a 68010 CPU. Is that a good idea? Could there be incompatibilities?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 14:38:33 [Preview] No.13438 del
>>13422 (checked)
I'm glad to see that even after the purge, something of my legacy still lives on in the minds of others.
Thank you for doing this and keeping this thread alive, even if it's an entirely different instance of it.
t. the OP of the first old tech thread on 8tech


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 01:33:14 [Preview] No.13439 del
>>13432
that doesn't sound too bad. Was it worth it though?

>>13438
thanks man. It was basically the only reason I used /tech/ much at all most of the time.

t. OP of the latest 2 old hardware threads on /tech/

>and still trying to decide whether I want to shell out a wad of cash for a nice DOS PC and CRT monitor from eBay


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 12:04:49 [Preview] No.13441 del
>>13439
>that doesn't sound too bad. Was it worth it though?
As an Electronics Hobbyist, I basically see the ticket as a 'permit to play with RF Electronics'.. and now at the Advanced/Extra level, all the things that'd impressed me about AR (Amateur TV/Digital TV, wireless computer networking, Microwave/SHF, etc.) I'm now able to play with.
A lot of it could be done at the Intermediate/Standard level, but for what was only a little extra effort for me, now gives me free reign over all the bands.
I'm happy with how there's still 'bleeding edge' Amateur effort happening. The extreme bands like LF/137kHz and higher-GHz can be done on a shoestring with some neat hacks (bucket variometers, pipe-cap bandpass filters), and Weak Signal Modes coupled with SDRs to get long-distance digital comms. FreeDV, an amateur-designed open source digital mode fascinates me too..
There has been a lot of frustration with the other 'appliance user' Hams, who seem to make up 90% of the membership, all Facebook-dependent Normies. (I must be the only guy in my local club who isn't Married..) And also the Religion-level Memes like Contesting that get in the way.
Every else is Fucking Old.. but at least, the few Gen X and younger guys I've met are all fellow turbonerds..

We started to get a bit of a group in fullchan's /hamradio/ board.


Anonymous 08/15/2019 (Thu) 06:59:40 [Preview] No.13451 del
>>13441
Here is an old amateur radio magazine on a survivalist website that I came across a while ago, idk if it's any good though.

http://www.survivorlibrary.com/index.php/8-category/114-library-radio%2073%20magazine

They also have a lot of other survival stuff as per the name, I could check out https://www.pssurvival.com/PS/index.htm as they have a lot of stuff much the same speed as the first.
It'll cost a couple gigs or more if you want to get em though. Also make sure to keep them updated as they sometimes have new stuff.


Anonymous 08/15/2019 (Thu) 07:14:57 [Preview] No.13452 del
My current project is a masturbation machine using haptic drivers. I've had to bump it up to 5v motors because 3.3v isn't quite cutting it. I'm expecting my delivery from China SOON.


Anonymous 08/30/2019 (Fri) 19:46:20 [Preview] No.13509 del
and we're finally back. I would have liked if we just cloned 8ch.


Anonymous 09/01/2019 (Sun) 07:13:11 [Preview] No.13521 del
Can we also discuss how all new technology is shit? I'm not excited by fucking anything anymore but old school tech gives me a boner. I can't tell if everything is just shit now or is it just me?

Also, any recommendations for a rugged digital camera? People just use their stupid phones now, which sucks because most cameras are cheap plastic shit now or high end studio stuff.


Anonymous 09/01/2019 (Sun) 07:13:33 [Preview] No.13522 del
also, thumb fix


Anonymous 09/07/2019 (Sat) 20:25:46 [Preview] No.13549 del
>>13521
> how all new technology is shit
same feeling here. I pretty much hate everything new. it could have been so much different but it's all so gay.

pretty much the only new things I like are guns because the new ones are cool and not gay like everything else.

>digital camera

couldn't help you there. I use a '93 Minolta film camera. I don't think you'd be able to get a rugged DSLR but maybe a ruggedized point and shoot would work.


Anonymous 09/08/2019 (Sun) 23:37:35 [Preview] No.13552 del
If I were to get a vintage serial terminal or something like that, would it be reasonable to assume that one could program another computer to serve serial data to the terminal and thereby allow the old terminal to access the Internet?

not sure how hard it would be but I thought it would be neat to have a small modern computer which could, for example, access a web page, and then have a program written that send out the data in such a way that it can be easily displayed on a terminal display.

Has anyone done this? How hard might it be?


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>>13552
extremely easy with Linux, it's pretty much made for this. You can also easily use old computers to remote login into a newer linux machine in order to harness it's processing power while staying in the comfy old computer GUI. An often used combination I've seen in Retro affectionado circles is old computer+ARM SBC. In many cases, you can probably easily fit the ARM sbc in the case of the newer computer and connect it internally to it's serial port and power supply.

I dug out my Amiga 600 I still have to repair (had leaking caps, removed them already years ago and cleaned the board, just never got around to put it back together) and I just marvel at what an elegant machine it is. Many people hated it back then because It brought nothing new to the table when everyone already had an A500 and it was missing the numpad, and that was actually quite valid critique for it's time but it doesn't matter now.

I have a small RAM expansion for it and was thinking to add an 68010 as CPU (desoldered the old 68000 to clean capacitor gunk) and turn it into a comfy digitial typewriter/serial terminal/gaming machine complete with IDE DOM. I have a Framemeister and a small 12" 800x600 screen which is just perfect. I also have two Eizos 1280x1024 which are in great condition (at least one of them can even take the 15 kHz signal natively) Just need to make the time. I've got tons of other Amiga stuff too.

Also yes, modern tech sucks because of idiot hipsters and soyboys who don't harness what the stuff could do if it was just used correctly, also linux cancer. Aforementioned SBCs could be amazing, they have tons of processing and GPU power. Simply nobody does something with it, everyone is content with circlejerking on social media for likes/upvotes/whatever.

I was often thinking about writing an Intuition-like primitive window manager/GUI engine to bring a non X11/Wayland dependent GUI to them that can be used by application writers and maybe makes direct use of the Hardware of a targeted ARM SOC (Allwinner A20 seemed attractive for this) but it feels like lots of work for little gain in the end and the legacy sunxi kernel code of the A20 that deals with stuff like G2D is just awful to look at.

Sigh, I miss the activity of the old 8ch thread. I think it's safe to say it's not coming back. Where did most of /tech/ go?


Anonymous 09/09/2019 (Mon) 23:42:33 [Preview] No.13555 del
>>13521
>>13549
Damn right, there are some extremely lame things happening with the latest tech sold at stores now

I noticed this thread;
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1245607/pg1

Which lists these points why latest tech sucks ass;
1. Introduction of sensors everywhere in everything
2. Removal of the hardware buttons
3. Subscription based software
4. Paper elimination
5. The removal of useful options/features from the devices and the unwanted introduction of new ones
6. Digital virtual currency (Cashless)
7. Everything automated (Driverless cars, trying to remove drivers from driver seat)
8. The complete sealing/enclosed frames of the new devices (strong glue used instead of screws)

I hate the cloud shit which they're peddling in an effort to reduce the usage of personal storage space for digital data

Meanwhile I have hand downs from the 80's which still work like a charm, good old technics amplifier, some big loudspeakers
I'm still sticking with the desktop computer and old digicam while 90% of others I see are just on their phones for everything


Anonymous 09/17/2019 (Tue) 05:17:35 [Preview] No.13561 del
>>13552
Just to add to 13554's reply, if you plug an old 19200 baud serial terminal into a serial port on your Linux box and use getty (or agetty or some variant of getty that should be on in your distro) to open ttyS0 or ttyS1, prompt for a login name, and run /bin/login, you can log on to your linux box with the dumb terminal just like using a terminal window. Then you can run lynx with a URL and you'll be surfing web pages on a 25x80 green screen. Do eeet! :)


Anonymous 09/21/2019 (Sat) 06:04:36 [Preview] No.13656 del
>>13554
super neat.

>I was often thinking about writing an Intuition-like primitive window manager/GUI engine to bring a non X11/Wayland dependent GUI to them that can be used by application writers and maybe makes direct use of the Hardware of a targeted ARM SOC (Allwinner A20 seemed attractive for this) but it feels like lots of work for little gain in the end and the legacy sunxi kernel code of the A20 that deals with stuff like G2D is just awful to look at.

that would be very cool. far beyond what I could do anyway.

>Sigh, I miss the activity of the old 8ch thread. I think it's safe to say it's not coming back. Where did most of /tech/ go?

me too. Maybe they just went out into the world. I ended up putting in some more work on my neocities site. I haven't updated that in a while though. I sometimes lurk 4chan but never post because it's a botnet. lurking is lame there too because it's not as good. I use plebbit sometimes too but it's mostly a cesspool and a waste of time. The best thing to do is do meaningful things in your life and for the most part this means not spending much time online if possible.

There's a nice little ssh server. bit@whisper.onthewifi.com. maybe you'd like to check it out? It has bursts of activity, a few more users wouldn't hurt.

>>13555
everything new is aimed at making life more shitty. less freedom, more control (for them, not us). I don't see why cashiers need to be replaced by robots. Hell, I think it would be nice to have traffic cops instead of traffic lights. Maybe I'm autistic. But people focus too much on things, and themselves, rather than appreciating other people and interacting with them. Why can't we undo automation? for efficiency's sake? none of this matters. our efficient consumption of resources only serves to fuel the whole system which can only end in disaster.

Still got my old thinkpads with me, I use them often enough for a lot of stuff. my tape deck still works like a charm, too.

>>13561
I still can't find a terminal or anything in my area. I'll probably have to get something on ebay and fork over a wad of cash, but it would be worth it. That is, when I have enough money to feel comfortable spending it.


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>>13554
It's likely it fragmented. Everyone had their own second-tier low-velocity chans they checked and once pig chan went down, it was obviously going to happen at some point, they ended up falling back to those places. It's also likely that a portion of those users changed the means of how they access chans,


Anonymous 09/29/2019 (Sun) 20:58:22 [Preview] No.13703 del
>>13702
>Everyone had their own second-tier low-velocity chans they checked

that's true. I know I did that with some SSH boards and places like lainchan.

ssh bit@whisper.onthewifi.com if you want to check out the SSH board.

I personally ended up using (unfortunately) reddit more often. but it's pretty trash. Still haven't found a good /fit/ alternative so far.


Anonymous 10/13/2019 (Sun) 20:07:43 [Preview] No.13818 del
>>13656
>that would be very cool. far beyond what I could do anyway.

I played around with the idea a bit just to pretty much find out that the A20 and it's memory bandwith is more than fast enough to do it all in software for 800x600 and 1280x1024 at pleasant speed at least while still leaving enough processing power for other tasks. I'd still like to actually use the hardware included though because I find it sad if a computer has hardware features that just lie unused like that. I've started cleaning up code from the old legacy sunxi kernel a bit to port it to a more modern one, but that means almost rewriting it at this point and right now I'm not even sure anymore if I should bother. Thing is kind of a mess and also the linux kernel can be an incredibly fast moving target sometimes and there are some security considerations. I wonder what driver writing for the *BSDs is like, they seem to move slower. I don't really know anything about them though so I might actually be dead wrong.

By the way, I'm actually mostly ok with X. It's a bit of spaghetti code but it's not really all that bad. What's mostly bad is all the bloat that's been added on top of it and what people mostly notice with it is that it wasn't intended for graphics cards that aren't just mostly dumb framebuffers. All the bloated toolkits and expansions to accommodate newer hardware is what made X really crap. Also current developers don't know wtf they're doing and keep breaking features of it in the worst ways. Seems almost intentional sometimes. I have a very utilitarian fvwm setup that looks like Solaris' CDE and only use very lightweight stuff that either uses X or motif toolkits. Most heavyweight is GTK2 for the browser. I also only run my desktop at 1280x1024 on my A4-5000 which works really fine and enables me to stream entire desktops via LAN without noticeable lag. Don't need a HiDPI screen for bitmap fonts and you notice the lack of empty spaces. I noticed the other day when I got interested in doing something with the A20 that fbdev is in some situations faster and uses less CPU resources than the amdgpu drivers. I think it's all the copies that happen.

>on my neocities site
I think I remember it. Have a link?

>I use plebbit sometimes
Same, I use it to see what's new basically in regards to linux and such, but I don't read the comments anymore.

Well this wasn't much about retro computers so far. Apropos Amiga: I'll order the parts for my A600 from my electronics supplier today. It's gonna get solid state caps I think. I also realized I miss a simple thing with these computers, mainly that they used to be small and silent. I detested fans from the first PC I've gotten and even with all technology that has come since then to make them more silent I still detest them. You still don't get really silent x86. There are some very modern and modestly powerful SoCs you can theoretically run silent but will still overheat and overwhelm their passive cooling as soon as you tax the CPU cores in any way for a prolonged period. The only silent PCs you can get are ARM based, and they often don't play nice with anything except Android. It's really annoying.

>There's a nice little ssh server. bit@whisper.onthewifi.com. maybe you'd like to check it out? It has bursts of activity, a few more users wouldn't hurt.

I poked my head in the other day and will post down the road, my problem is sadly that I sometimes tend to rattle on.

>It's likely it fragmented. Everyone had their own second-tier low-velocity chans they checked and once pig chan went down, it was obviously going to happen at some point, they ended up falling back to those places.

Well the current news is that 8ch will come back as 8kun but I don't trust that pig farmer to keep it running and I also don't trust him to not have sold out to the feds. I don't really have much to hide but I'm sick and tired of having my privacy invaded by them.


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>>13818
>I played around with the idea a bit just to pretty much find out that the A20...dead wrong.

this is really cool actually. I can never seem to get a grip on programming, but my excuse is my classwork and stuff. not a very good excuse, though. I'm struggling through learning how to work with APIs in Python of all things. I used to run this program called WeatherSTAR 4000, that was basically a simulator of the old 1990s era WeatherSTAR hardware run by the Weather Channel. it would display graphics and radar, etc. and local stations could overlay icons and text according to local forecasts. I used to like to keep it running in the background on my CRT TV just for the nice atmosphere. But I guess the national weather service changed the API a bit, so the developers released a new version of the program which is bloat junk, so I figured it would be a nice project/learning experience to try to replicate at least the abilities of the early 1980s WeatherSTAR hardware in Python.

I usually just go with XFCE on my Devuan installs. it's light enough for me. But on my old thinkpad it's a shame since linux has poor support for the card in my laptop, so I have to use Windows XP instead on the damn thing. without the video drivers it struggles to scroll a text file in devuan. Although XP isn't bad, I enjoy using it and I recently got it set up to run a 3d printer slicer program and control a 3d printer, so I'm glad it's being put to use. Nothing like giving an old machine a new job.

>neocities
I'm not the spyware watchdog, just have my own small site. I think it looks good but is otherwise a bit lame.

https://floppys-lounge.neocities.org/

> I'll order the parts for my A600 from my electronics supplier today.

Nice. I have been wanting an Amiga for some time now. I've seen videos of people running email clients on them and stuff like that. games of course and MIDI players, I think (but I'm not sure) that they have ethernet modules for them. Nothing gets me going like putting an old computer online. Well, maybe not nothing. But it's up there.

>I poked my head in the other day and will post down the road, my problem is sadly that I sometimes tend to rattle on.

who cares, anyway? rattle on, my dude. back when einchan was still up I realized I had made the latest post in almost every thread on the server, felt like I was talking to myself. But it's slow, so that's how it tends to go. I keep trying to post the link and get more people to pop in hoping it will jumpstart the post rate to something more constant rather than isolated spikes.

I don't trust 8ch coming back either. I'll see what it's like, but I don't think it will be the same. and that's sad. It's not like I was discussing revolution or being edgy. I literally just used to use /fit/ and /tech/ and they were actually welcoming places to be where people were nice. Nothing to do but see where it goes from here.

(see, I can rattle on as good as anyone!)

To keep it kind of on topic, although at this point I don't really care as long as people are posting, I've decided to take on a small electronics project. I just bought a bag phone, it's a Radio Shack model. Pic related, it's got a brick connected to a handset. I'm hoping to gut the hardware and replace it with an arduino and LTE modem. normally I'd feel bad about doing that to old hardware but at least this way it can do what it was meant to do, make phone calls, again. should be difficult, but fun.



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