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I Don't Run Javascript Anonymous 03/20/2020 (Fri) 19:21:36 [Preview] No. 14056
Instead of going out of the way and making extra unnecessary effort to write a garbage fail web site, why not stick with standard HTML forms and POST and always Just Work on any fucking browser made in the last 20 years?

Anonymous 03/20/2020 (Fri) 21:12:42 [Preview] No.14057 del
Because the web has evolved over the last 20 years and most sites that actually serve an important purpose require JavaScript to do anything remotely interesting.

Anonymous 03/20/2020 (Fri) 21:31:08 [Preview] No.14058 del
>require JavaScript to do anything remotely interesting

Except that the vast majority of web sites that "require" it don't actually need it for anything. They could easily do exactly what they're doing using nothing but HTML and POST.

This is the problem with the current generation of shitty programmers. They think that you have to use WYSIWYG HTML generators and massive Javascript libraries that pull shit from six different servers and serve no less than a megabyte per GET to paint a field and receive a response.

Very little of the web has "evolved." In many cases, what it has done is gotten fat, inefficient, unreliable, and broken. If the first thing someone thinks about is what javascript library they should use to do something, they should just stop and not inflict their idiocy on the web any more.

Anonymous 03/20/2020 (Fri) 22:24:10 [Preview] No.14059 del
Okay, so then how does one create some complicated website without using JavaScript of any kind? What would the web look like if everyone kept using the standard stuff? It'd look like shit and we wouldn't have the services that we know today.

Also UI/UX is a thing, shit needs to be easy to use so that any retard can use your service. Innovation! If you own a business right now and your site looks like it hasn't been changed since 2002, would you leave a good impression?

Can we solely use HTML and POST? I agree on the fact that JS sucks but we're dependent on the damn thing. In fact, Twitter was pretty good when it was using non-proprietary JS for a good period of time.

>Very little of the web has "evolved."
Honestly, what part of the web hasn't evolved? I can sit on my lazy ass, order and pay for a pizza online and have it delivered to my house within an hour without having to stand up once. And I can thank JS for that.

I see what you mean, we should refrain from using JS as much as possible, but what can we do if we have to make complicated shit?

Anonymous 03/21/2020 (Sat) 07:13:22 [Preview] No.14060 del
I already told you: standard HTML and HTTP POST. If you are desperate to make the web site look like you got a venture capitalist to spend a million dollars on it, then add some CSS and some img tags and go ahead and charge them $5000 an hour for it.

The actual functionality of pretty much any web site you care to name - amazon, ebay, itunes, certainly ANY site you would order a pizza from, go ahead and name a site that you consider too complicated to implement without javascript and I will describe to you how to implement it without javascript - can be handled with tables, the form tag, and the submit tag. If you want to display a big graphic and have different things happen depending on where someone clicks on the graphic, use HTML image maps and the aforementioned standard HTML forms.

It's like the old saw about how when someone learns how to hammer, everything becomes a nail. Javascript is used for even the most rudimentary things where it wasn't needed at all. It certainly isn't needed by anything the us census site is doing.

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