Bernd
09/20/2021 (Mon) 23:06:27
No.45071
del
09/20/2021 (Mon) 23:06:27
No.45071
del
>>45070
>The only interesting thing about blockchain-based votes is that, with a public chain one can cryptographically check each and every individual vote.
Yes. But problem that blockchain isn't public, and owners can replace it with different one if they want to publish it. Proving something from modified blockchain is pretty hard thing if it is modified properly, especially considering that personal data must remain anonymous.
Technically there is no real way to make elections transparent with remote electronic vote, because there are multiple ways to tamper the data. If voting chain is controlled by one actor, there always a possibility to modify the results and external observer wouldn't prove it with evidence (excluding internal info from system that may be leaked, but this is different story). Having second independent entity that may check votes from very start also isn't possible by political reasons too (no one would allow completely separate entity to mess with voting process).
Maybe phasing out anonymous vote may help to identify some cheating, but this way has pretty bad outcomes in different fields.
>a "validation" service for the public and aggregate the results
Problem that even if person claims that his vote was changed, there is no hard proofs. Anyone can claim that he's voted for different party, but what evidence he can provide? So it may be interesting to see if your vote is same as you remember, but court wouldn't listen. Even recordings of voting is not a proof now, and also breaks anonymous nature of elections.
>Bad: ldpr shrinking, scum like yabloko getting 750k is still too much
LDPR is basically an ER nowadays. They vote always as ER (and government). Times when their party was somewhat independent are gone. Zhirinovsky is pretty fun person and sometimes says rational things, but their parliament voting policies are nowhere near to his public image. He is also old and not that energetic anymore, and without him it is mostly party of nonames. It is hard to imagine how they will act when he'll gone.
>The only interesting thing about blockchain-based votes is that, with a public chain one can cryptographically check each and every individual vote.
Yes. But problem that blockchain isn't public, and owners can replace it with different one if they want to publish it. Proving something from modified blockchain is pretty hard thing if it is modified properly, especially considering that personal data must remain anonymous.
Technically there is no real way to make elections transparent with remote electronic vote, because there are multiple ways to tamper the data. If voting chain is controlled by one actor, there always a possibility to modify the results and external observer wouldn't prove it with evidence (excluding internal info from system that may be leaked, but this is different story). Having second independent entity that may check votes from very start also isn't possible by political reasons too (no one would allow completely separate entity to mess with voting process).
Maybe phasing out anonymous vote may help to identify some cheating, but this way has pretty bad outcomes in different fields.
>a "validation" service for the public and aggregate the results
Problem that even if person claims that his vote was changed, there is no hard proofs. Anyone can claim that he's voted for different party, but what evidence he can provide? So it may be interesting to see if your vote is same as you remember, but court wouldn't listen. Even recordings of voting is not a proof now, and also breaks anonymous nature of elections.
>Bad: ldpr shrinking, scum like yabloko getting 750k is still too much
LDPR is basically an ER nowadays. They vote always as ER (and government). Times when their party was somewhat independent are gone. Zhirinovsky is pretty fun person and sometimes says rational things, but their parliament voting policies are nowhere near to his public image. He is also old and not that energetic anymore, and without him it is mostly party of nonames. It is hard to imagine how they will act when he'll gone.
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