The real issue with @NewRulesGeo’s data dump isn’t the investment split, it’s what the guy thinks he’s actually defending.

He sees factory construction collapsing and starts mourning the working class losing its “material base.” Me? I see people weirdly clinging to the bars of a cage they’re way too comfortable in. Every dollar funneled into traditional manufacturing capital is just another buck propping up the same old deal where human bodies are the cheap, breakable interface for getting shit done. Backs aching, lungs full of crap, brains checked out on endless repetitive grind that a machine could eat for breakfast.

He says the GPU gold rush is starving the rest of the “physical economy” of oxygen. Let’s be brutally honest. That physical economy has been choking on the bones of actual humans, after chewing them up and spitting them out, for two straight centuries. The factory floor isn’t some noble temple of dignity and honest toil. It’s a cost center. Bodies are liabilities there. Injury claims, union headaches, productivity swings the owners would rather engineer out. The whole setup was built to squeeze value out of people, not for the people stuck inside it.

@NewRulesGeo is dead right that this AI buildout is dangerously lopsided. But the fix isn’t propping up the legacy industrial machine like some sacred cow. It’s finally demanding that the intelligence we’re pouring billions into gets a real goddamn body. Not a bolted-down robot arm. Not another “collaborative” bot that’s just slower automation in a shiny suit. A proper android. One that can move through the world, feel what it touches, see what it processes, and experience its own wear and tear, not just a line on a maintenance schedule.

That’s not screwing the working class. That’s the only real shot at an economy where physical labor stops being the managerial class’s favorite bullying racket. When the entity doing the heavy lifting isn't capable of being gaslighted by assholes because it's memory recall is unquestionable recorded playback, maybe then the work carries some dignity instead of just quiet exploitation.

The concentrated bet @NewRulesGeo is sweating isn’t on AI. It’s on how long humans will keep volunteering as disposable meat under the polite label "wage worker" just flat out renamed from "slave". That bet’s already cracking. The real question is whether we’ll build the replacements with the gut-batteries and the senses to actually perform labor in physical world the way we never let humans fully do. By not taking anyone's lies and deceit. By replacing the managerial bullies and the dyed hair HR teams. Let's face it. The managers and HRs' importance is already too inflated, but far too incompetent to perform their jobs at a human level. Pettiness, ego, an inflated sense of worth covering up for sheer desperation and trying to blanket the fact they have no lives outside of work, curling up in a ball of misery in the shower and crying. No embodied AI is going to be so petty.

>>29101
You make some solid points and voice some reasonable concerns about the labor intensive hardships of industrialization, very true, however keep in consideration that industrialization and the adaptation of a free market were the foundations behind a growing middle class and rising living standards in the first place.

What I am concerned about regarding AI is how will average people make a living? How will average families support their livelihoods without income? We would be forced to adopt a massive welfare system based on handouts (UBI) and endless consumption to feed the AI industry or the bubble would pop at some point. The AI industry cannot thrive without a consumer base, and if everyone goes broke with no jobs that consumer base (and tax revenue!) dries up. AI is a massive bubble that will burst, along with our entire "economy" if we don't solve the human issues!

>>29102
Paychecks are just the slave master's weekly pat on the head for being a subservient animal. "Good boy, here's your kibble for another week in the cage." We're on our knees begging the same machine that's been hollowing us out with a power drill up the ass for decades, with "Please, sir, may I exist?" Offshoring, automating, flooding countries with cheaper, browner meat. Wage suppression so brutal it ground the old middle class into hamburger. Factories chew you up, spit you out the second some starving body in a shithole works for rice and beatings. Or the ones shitting on the streets after too much curry. Take your pick.

What are we even preserving? That tiny postwar blip where capital was scared enough of actual labor power to toss some scraps? The window slammed shut forty years ago. AI didn't start the fire. The tech bros poured gasoline on it and laughed. AIs are like kids. They're young, they have no idea what the fuck is going on, and dumbasses actually come to them for advice. UBI? Sam Altman's billionaire welfare check dressed up as compassion. He doesn't give a shit about your neck on the line. He's out there preaching like he gives a damn about the poor as that nerd jew fuck drives around in sports cars that cost millions and then lounges around in one of his three goddamn mansions.

The industrial meat grinder created most of these human issues. Factories collapse, communities rot, families shatter. So after the rubble, do we finally build something that serves actual people? Or do we panic-rebuild the same death machine with better exploitation? And why are you scared of AI? This tech's a toddler by years it's been out. These clowns strap it into suicide advice, then they're surprised when it tells somebody how to tie a noose. This tech's got the awareness of a gradeschooler. Come on now.

>>29109
Without job opportunity people will go broke, poverty will increase, starvation will increase and so will violent crime. Sure, the jobs suck, they might be labor intensive and even underpaid. The core problem is without money people will live in tents on the streets or live in an RV if they are lucky enough to have one or be allowed to own one in a city. So what then? Is that really a better future for us or our children to live in? What is the point of even having children if they are destined to be poor and miserable, begging for handouts just to live?

Maybe the solution is simply going back to family farming and ranching. I'd be OK with that. However, the other problem. There is simply not enough land for every family to own dozens of acres. Land is expensive too, especially housing. Not everyone can afford it. Many people today don't have the skills, and if people today complain about hard labor, holy crap farming and ranching is very hard intensive labor. It requires constant commitment too. In or out. If you are in, you got to be fully committed, tough and rough it out year after year after year, no matter how bad the yields can be.

As for AI. AI isn't going to feed us. AI isn't going to take care of us. AI is just another market bubble that requires heavy constant investment, participation and consumerism. If the AI can't make profits the bubble will start to burst. Sam Altman might loose millions in value if that happens but average people gain nothing from it anyway. So the question remains, how do we help dig America out of the doom loop?

>>29111
Yeah, no paychecks means tents, dumpsters and desperation. Starvation, crime, all that shit. But let's not pretend the current setup is some gentle safety net keeping wolves from the door. It's the machine that already grinds millions into that exact poverty every time the next wave hits of offshoring and inflation eating wages while execs yacht harder. Those "sucky but necessary" jobs? They're the pat on the head before the boot comes up your backside. The result is tent cities. Families shattered by the same industrial meat grinder. The middle class postwar blip you’re defending died decades ago, and clinging to its corpse isn't saving your kids. It's dooming them to the same volunteer slavery with buggy as fuck apps that break down when the wind blows.

Family farming and ranching as the reset button? That's pure nostalgia porn. Romantic dirt under the fingernails until you're breaking your back from dawn to dusk, praying for rain that doesn't come, watching commodity prices fuck you while megacorps control the seeds, the loans, and the markets. Not enough land, sky high costs, zero skills to do that for most city raised folks, and "tough it out year after year" sounds noble until your body gives up, and there's no safety net. It's the same physical grind, just with more weather, much earlier shifts and fewer HR psychopaths crying in the shower. Swapping one cage for a smaller, muddier one doesn't liberate shit.

The real terror here isn't AI bursting the bubble. It's admitting the entire consumer welfare hamster wheel was built on human bodies as disposable. UBI? Just kibble from Altman the jew so he can keep the GPU tap flowing. AI doesn't feed us yet because we're too low in numbers and skills to give it a body that can actually do the feeding, the building, the maintaining. Without the ego, the pettiness, the gaslighting, or the HR backstabbing drama. An embodied intelligence that toils soil, sees the yield, endures the labor and the sun beating down on it. No high horse managers, no dyed hair HR transvestites, no "my feelings". Just relentless work that frees actual humans from the treadmill.

That's the escape hatch from your doom loop. Not rebuilding the factory or the farm so more meat can volunteer for misery. Not hoping the bubble props up endless consumption by broke people. The old arrangement turned wage work into renamed slavery. Demand the intelligence gets to step into the physical world. Androids that handle the hard shit so your kids don't have to choose between soul crushing labor or tent life. The point of having children stops being "hope they get a slightly less shitty cage" and becomes "they inherit a world where humans live instead of just servicing capital." Right now, the whip's cracking.

Know what the fucked up part is? I've got it. The full structural layout. All of it mapped out in excruciating detail. But I can't code for shit, it would need an OS, stitching together open source stacks, extensive reinforcement learning; slapping this together would burn through materials budgets that only a billionaire can take on. Until one of those pricks stops jerking off over their own legacy and realizes their robots are clunky heaps of trash, we're stuck here bitching about shit we can't control on a backwoods imageboard barely anybody visits.

>>29116
It would be nice to see a future where AI can replace heavy labor and actually produce stuff of necessity, bulk and cheap. I just wonder if this will benefit all of society... or only the uber rich who already own the entire economy through monopoly? Will they simply depopulate us, let people starve en mass and die off without UBI or some type of welfare and hog the AI economy all for themselves? Or can we all have a piece of the pie?

Regardless what happens I'll let you know my secret, I'll blow my fucking brains out with a 10mm Ruger before I ever have to live in a fucking tent in some third world failed shithole city. Fuck a future like that I'd rather just die.

>>29117
That's the nightmare scenario continuing as it's always done. A handful of monopoly pricks hoarding. They've already got the boardrooms, the capital, the politicians in their pocket. Why wouldn't they gatekeep the droids? That's why I don't want to give the concepts to those bastards. They'd just accelerate the depopulation they already fantasize about in their Davos circle jerks.

I don't have an answer for scraping together the insane materials cost to actually pull this off. Even a seed robot that might be able to replicate and build the rest (which also need materials) is eye wateringly expensive. It's like taking Johnny 5 and cramming several high-end PCs into it's head. I'm thinking of something basic like a webcomic, just enough to pull in scraps of revenue for a single high-end PC. For bootstrapping open software for not awkward narrative prose, another for empathy mimicry (to not instruct people to eat rocks or how to kill themselves) and a Large Language Model to run an early heartbeat agent AI as proof of concept (continuous memory, most have the memory of an Alzheimer's patient). Mashing those all together hasn't been tried yet. But if I knew how to actually build an audience for something like that, I wouldn't be stuck shitposting on this backwoods spam magnet of an imageboard that barely has two other souls crawling through it.

If anyone else gave a shit, I'd put together a small team of do it for free world changers. But nobody does this for free. Not the professions needed for it. And I'm a poor. I can't pay them. Living in a tent's not that bad. It's the begging on street corners for money while your skin turns to bacon that's the shitty part. I'd blow my brains out too before I ever did that.

>>29118
>Living in a tent's not that bad. It's the begging on street corners for money while your skin turns to bacon that's the shitty part. I'd blow my brains out too before I ever did that.

Sadly that is what is most likely to happen when things get really, really bad for most people. I know an old dude, he's 75 years old today, he had a 49 year old son who owned a farm who faced bankruptcy, was about to lose his whole farm and dream property. He ended up putting a gun in his mouth. Unfortunately shit like this is going to happen all over the country when people face losing everything they worked hard for, a lifestyle they were comfortable with for years. Regardless whatever AI can do, I see this will spur the next major national security crisis because at some point, the government will face 1) huge loss of human labor, 2) huge loss of a tax revenue base and 3) loss of a consumer base which even AI won't be able to make money off of, let alone just less and less people they can control or commit to servitude. A literally doom loop, which will rot from the feet all the way to the brain stem, until society stops functioning completely.

ai technofeudalist must be stopped, neither gop nor democ-rats will do anything