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New home Anonymous Board owner 08/06/2019 (Tue) 10:16:53 [Preview] No. 2
This is /ratanon/'s new home for now, but I don't know how many people actually saw the link in the few hours that it was up.

8chan might not come back now that it's been rejected this catastrophically.

If you're here, please put a tally: https://poal.me/cvndls

Please also post any alternative ideas for relocating.

I made a backup of the old board so it can be restored once we know where to go.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 10:48:35 [Preview] No.3 del
I'd bet you $100 to $50 that 8chan comes back up for at least a day within the next 2 months. If it never recovers, I am going to miss it. I liked a lot of the smaller boards there.

Meanwhile Hacker News is cheering this turn of events. I have rarely been this disgusted with a website I visit. I will not be surprised if, looking back, this is going to be an important moment for me. I didn't use to want to put all of woke tech out of business, yet here we are. What do other anon think about it? Has it affected your predictions about the future of the Silicon Valley?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20616055

Since as you said we don't know how long EndChan is going to last, you should set up another bunker, maybe on Millchan (ZeroNet)?


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 11:39:21 [Preview] No.4 del
>>3
I think Fredrick Brennan is roughly correct, and 8chan shot itself in the foot by not publicly reacting to the shootings at all.
/pol/ is a global board owned by the admins, it wouldn't have violated global policy to shut down the board for a few days whenever this happened. Even just not allowing people to celebrate these shootings wouldn't have been such a great loss.
I don't want large tech companies to be arbiters of free speech, but when they're legally allowed to be they're eventually going to reach a breaking point if you look heinous enough. They're not immune to incentives.
I never liked /pol/ in the first place, though.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 12:11:03 [Preview] No.5 del
>>4
I think anyone who's at all familiar with how 8chan works knows deleting /pol/ will achieve absolutely nothing, but as a token thing to appease hysteria, and also to encourage growth of smaller boards, I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Delete /v/ too, while you're at it.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 12:28:36 [Preview] No.6 del
>>5
Deleting /pol/ would make everyone relocate. Neutering it a little might not.
In theory, the board that best fits the users' preferences is the one that grows the largest. In practice inertia wins most of the time. 8chan's core model doesn't work all that well.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 20:29:24 [Preview] No.8 del
>>2
I'll host it. I made an emergency text archive a few hours before 8chan died, but if you have the images as well, that would obviously be better. How do you intend to share your archive?

I'll post any updates here.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 20:54:37 [Preview] No.9 del
>>8
I'm unsure if self-hosting is better than this place, and we should at least wait a few days to see if 8chan does come back. A video they posted suggests they intend to.
Here's a 380 MB zip file with my archive, including a shell script to reproduce it: https://www.mediafire.com/file/8pyknqfxda4e9i1/ratanon2019.zip
What imageboard software would you use?


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 21:23:04 [Preview] No.10 del
Self-hosting complicates transfer of ownership. I also wouldn't trust a random anon hosting the board to not abuse his power if the board owner and the hoster weren't the same person.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 21:27:14 [Preview] No.11 del
>>9
Lynxchan.
I expect they'll come back in some form. The site is still intermittently accessible with Tor, it's just extremely slow. But I would expect 8chan and any successor with a /pol/ board to remain a culture war battleground, subjecting us to disruptions like this. Which is why I find the idea of an imageboard homeland for the rat-adjacent people appealing.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 21:50:08 [Preview] No.12 del
>>10
>Self-hosting complicates transfer of ownership.
Elaborate. Are you talking about in the future, in the event that I no longer want to host?

I would have sovereignty as host, whereas the current owner effectively has sovereignty on 8chan or whatever other chan we end up migrating to. I don't see any structural problems or new trust requirements involved with self-hosting, other than the particular anon you need to trust. Is your concern that he has a solid track record, while I have no reputation?


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 22:02:19 [Preview] No.13 del
>>11
I kind of hate Lynxchan but it has the virtue of being modern and basically working. Its user interface is godawful, but at least it's not PHP. I don't have a clearly better suggestion.
I didn't realize that the hidden service was working. That's encouraging, they must have a host.
Ideally we'd have a third party provider that's permissive enough for our purposes but doesn't get political or heavily emphasize free speech.

>>12
Not them, but the advantage of a provider like 8chan or Endchan is that they don't care about our individual board at all and are unlikely to have a reason to interfere with it. I'm inclined to trust you, but this could plausibly be an attempt at a power grab.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 23:19:48 [Preview] No.14 del
>>13
>Its user interface is godawful
The Lynxchan frontend is apparently modular. I don't know exactly what options exist, but I would hope there are some that aren't disgusting.

>the advantage of a provider like 8chan or Endchan is that they don't care about our individual board at all and are unlikely to have a reason to interfere with it
Right, that's what I was getting at by describing you as having effective sovereignty. Although I guess I don't actually know what powers a board owner has on one of these sites. Is it limited in some way? As in, does a malicious host have better ways to wreak havoc than a malicious board owner?

>this could plausibly be an attempt at a power grab
I unironically enjoy /ratanon/ with its current norms and wouldn't want to change them to swing my dick around. To me, the personal appeal of hosting is the edgy cyberpunk street cred of running an imageboard in 2019.

For now it makes sense to wait a few days to see what happens to 8chan, especially since the other anon (i.e. 1/3 of our community) has expressed skepticism. I really do expect this to be a recurring problem though.


Anonymous 08/06/2019 (Tue) 23:46:05 [Preview] No.15 del
Oh, and one other thought. If 8chan doesn't come back up, we might need to publicize this place or wherever we move to regroup. Some options:
>SSC subreddit (and/or TheMotte)
>SSC open thread
>LW (no idea if this would be appropriate, I haven't actually been there in a while)
Where else?


Anonymous 08/07/2019 (Wed) 00:32:11 [Preview] No.16 del
>>14
Lynxchan's frontend is modular, but that's mostly used as an excuse by StephenLynx to not think about its design too much. The alternative frontends I've seen inherit most of the problems of the default one, being forked from it, and though I don't know the internal architecture in much detail I suspect some of the problems extend into the backend. One thing that caused me a lot of grief is that moderation logs are split by date, but not by board, making them absolute hell to search through.
There are functional concerns as well. The "early 404" anti-spam feature used to be pretty much useless. 8chan's version automatically deletes threads with fewer than 10 replies when they reach page 5, which makes flooding a board with empty threads less effective while limiting collateral damage. Lynxchan's version automatically deleted threads with fewer than 5 replies after an hour, which meant it'd destroy any board that isn't extremely active while doing nothing against a flood attack that's carried out in under an hour.
StephenLynx changed the feature after I complained, to his credit. The description in the Endchan mod panel is still of the old behavior though. I hope it's just the frontend that's outdated.
Lynxchan uses spreadsheet-driven design. That is, there's a spreadsheet with a list of features 8chan has, and StephenLynx tries to tick all the same boxes for Lynxchan, instead of adding features as needed in a way that solves problems.

8chan is more polished on the outside but not much better overall.
There are ancient design flaws carried over from Tinyboard. Every board gets its own database table, which scales hilariously badly and means that most features that span boards are broken. There's no way to get a global post history for a poster, even though their IP hash is the same on every board.
The current software, OpenIB, was supposed to be a hardened fork of the old software. The first hardening step they took was hashing IP addresses, but as far as I know that was also the last step. They don't make a serious effort to improve security.
Ron asked to hire me to do an audit, but I declined because I didn't even know PHP, which says something about the way he looks for auditors. A year later I had learned some PHP, so I took a look to see if anything jumped out, and by grepping for places where it used weak equality I discovered that if you make a board /04/ you also have board owner access to /4/, /004/, etcetera. There's no excuse to have that kind of bug. There are linters that could find that bug. But nobody found it, which must mean that nobody looked. I reported that and a few other bugs, and they're fixed now, but I'm sure it was just scratching at the surface. I don't trust it.
On the other hand, if you can run a site as large as 8chan without people digging that deep it'd probably suffice for a smaller site. Installing it is non-trivial though.

It's really surprising how dysfunctional everything is.

>Although I guess I don't actually know what powers a board owner has on one of these sites. Is it limited in some way? As in, does a malicious host have better ways to wreak havoc than a malicious board owner?
Board owners can moderate however they like, sometimes with a political restriction that if they make the board unusable other people can claim ownership. Site owners could in principle do outlandish things like add malicious JavaScript or harvest IP addresses. But it's more about having to trust two people instead of one.

>>15
#ratanon on Freenode, if it still exists.


Anonymous 08/07/2019 (Wed) 11:37:46 [Preview] No.17 del
>>15
#lesswrong
We may also want to publicize 8/ratanon/ if 8chan does.


Anonymous 08/07/2019 (Wed) 13:50:47 [Preview] No.18 del
>>13
>the advantage of a provider like 8chan or Endchan is that they don't care about our individual board at all
Another advantage of 8/Endchan is that there is a well-defined mechanism for another person to take over a board whose owner has disappeared or gone rogue on the posters. This was how 8/ratanon/'s current owner acquired it.

>>12
>I would have sovereignty as host
Please don't say this, because you wouldn't. Recent history shows that "sovereignty" over a conventional website is a laughable concept. You would not own your domain name, DNS, CDN or the up-link pipe. At best you could own the actual server if you put it in your garage.
>Is your concern that he has a solid track record, while I have no reputation?
Yes, this is huge concern. What if you're that anon who has been monomaniacally posting race?


Anonymous 08/07/2019 (Wed) 14:04:05 [Preview] No.19 del
>>13
>Its user interface is godawful, but at least it's not PHP.
I think the first part is enough to disqualify it. It is not going to be an improvement for the users, and JavaScript is the next worst thing after PHP. Regardless of the programming language and the internal flaws, a Tinyboard or vichan fork will actually be somewhat nice to post on. If you insist on avoiding PHP (I can't blame you too much for it), there are other "modern" alternatives like https://github.com/bakape/meguca, which looks quite decent and is written in Go. The "live posting" feature would be awful for something like /ratanon/, but you can disable it.

>>16
>by grepping for places where it used weak equality I discovered that if you make a board /04/ you also have board owner access to /4/, /004/, etcetera.
lol
>It's really surprising how dysfunctional everything is.
This would look good on a banner.


Anonymous 08/07/2019 (Wed) 14:35:23 [Preview] No.20 del
>>18
I think the board claim mechanism might have done more harm than good. It's first come first serve, and boards can become eligible even if the board owner is still around but doesn't log in.
One of the people who claimed the board nuked it.


Anonymous 08/07/2019 (Wed) 20:39:05 [Preview] No.21 del
>>16
>But it's more about having to trust two people instead of one.
It's still just one person to trust, the host. A host that's involved with the board content, as would be the case, would have unilateral power to remove any other board owners whose actions they disagree with. A rogue owner under a benevolent host would be a temporary nuisance at worst.

>>18
>Please don't say this, because you wouldn't.
Relevance? The issue you're describing doesn't suddenly appear with self-hosting. By "sovereignty" I mean unchecked control over the specific content of the board, not immunity from deplatforming attempts, which hasn't existed in any case. And the benefit of having an independent homeland is precisely that we are unlikely to be caught up in such attempts.

>>19
I'm not attached to Lynxchan. My only reasoning was that the vichan repository has a disclaimer saying its developers recommend not using vichan any more, and they give Lynxchan as an alternative. Meguca looks nice.


Anonymous 08/08/2019 (Thu) 15:42:34 [Preview] No.22 del
I've adjusted my opinion of Lynxchan further downward.
There's a captcha at the bottom of the page for moderator actions. It refreshes automatically whenever it expires.
If it doesn't load properly, for example because of a server hiccup, the page goes into some sort of busy loop with 20% CPU usage.


Anonymous 08/11/2019 (Sun) 15:03:24 [Preview] No.25 del
The Oslo shooter announced it on Endchan. Private hosting is starting to sound pretty good now.
Regardless, I'll try to restore the board here in a few hours. We can always move again later.


Anonymous 08/11/2019 (Sun) 21:19:29 [Preview] No.31 del
I'm running a script to restore the threads now. There are 7000 posts and I can only posts every 10 seconds, so it'll take a while.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 17:06:54 [Preview] No.3024 del
You can just come here, run your own clear net server with a bit of improvements if you are really into it


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 17:20:55 [Preview] No.3076 del
Can I ask what the hell this place is? Some sort of rationalism / centrism board? I've been on 8chan for years and never encountered it, not even in the hidden board leak.


Delicious sexi rat folk. Mmmm. Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 18:23:21 [Preview] No.3267 del
>>3076
>I've been on 8chan for years and never encountered it, not even in the hidden board leak.

Back on the 8chan /sudo/ board, there was this one thread bitching up a storm of "what do we do about the RAT menace?" Thing is, it wasn't clearly defined who they were, or what they were about, just that some group was spamming /b2/ (or wherever) with some bullshit. I didn't see any obvious problems, so I guessed is was a furry backlash against an artist group advertising their Skaven porn.

I don't have a problem with Skaven porn.

Here on Endchan, about a day or two ago, I tripped over this board from seeing a thread on the /overboard/ and stopped in to have a look around. That's when the 'ole LED bulb clicked on. I suppose one could say they're essentially a bunch of RationalWiki autists.

I don't have a problem with RationalWiki autist types either.

I am kinda disappointed in the lack of relevant porn though.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 18:42:11 [Preview] No.3333 del
>>3076
An offshoot of LessWrong and Slate Star Codex, a fan club for a certain Anglo continental philosopher, and a place where approximately 50% of the inhabitants wishes to be the little girl. Since said philosopher is the founder of accelerationism, and as we know 'accelerationism' means 'mass shooting', we're basically galaxy-brained right-wing Communist SJW (left-wing anarcho-capitalist survivalist) non-practicing domestic terrorists.

For more information please visit
https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/FAQ#What_is_Less_Wrong.3F
https://slatestarcodex.com/about/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land
https://www.punoftheday.com/

>not even in the hidden board leak.
It is good to hear that in its original home /ratanon/ was properly occulted.

>>3267
Cute.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 18:49:46 [Preview] No.3362 del
Holy shit, have we taken over >>>/overboard/.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 18:55:01 [Preview] No.3382 del
I guess the overboard doesn't exclude hidden boards.

>>3076
/ratanon/ was listed in at least one hidden board leak. But it was never super active, so it probably didn't stand out. The current activity is from a bot restoring backed up 8chan threads.


Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 20:16:01 [Preview] No.3635 del
>>3333
>Cute.
Skaven porn? And how!


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 13:36:03 [Preview] No.6659 del
We're back.

I set a stupidly high thread limit, but it silently caps at 15 pages. The threads made on Endchan unfortunately fell off and some old 8chan threads didn't make it, possibly including recently bumped ones.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 20:51:21 [Preview] No.6669 del
>>16
For all these reasons I've been wanting to write an imageboard engine that's not shit but also modern. The only problem is that it takes absolutely forever, and I don't have that sort of time to throw away.
>Every board gets its own database table
What the fuck, this is terrible


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 22:30:01 [Preview] No.6670 del
>>6669
>>16
It will make data migrations and some queries appreciably more difficult to write, but why is giving every board a separate database table bad for performance?


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 06:35:19 [Preview] No.6671 del
>>3076
>centrism
kek

>>3267
>I suppose one could say they're essentially a bunch of RationalWiki autists.
>tfw the fargroup shows up and can't distinguish you from the (((hated outgroup)))
Don't accuse me of appreciating that site ever again.


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 06:42:26 [Preview] No.6672 del
>the server is fugged m8
>something something backend failure
>endchan backend server failed to respond in time
>please leave a message at the beep.

Is this really our new home?


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 15:48:24 [Preview] No.6673 del
>>6672
>Is this really our new home?
Yes, until/if 8chan comes back. I've been toying with the idea of running an imageboard myself for specific topic, but I'm sure as hell not going to use Infinity or Lynxchan, those godforsaken pieces of software.


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 15:51:01 [Preview] No.6674 del
>>6670
>data migrations and some queries appreciably more difficult to write
This, and the fact that you can't aggregate data across boards. While it doesn't necessarily degrade performance, it does make it harder to deal with the data and make it less useful globally.


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 16:00:21 [Preview] No.6675 del
>>6672
Odili is working on setting up the new Endchan. He tries to salvage from the old faulty db as much as he can, so things go slow. I don't think anyone did such as he's doing now and there are unexpected difficulties. Bear with us.


MMmmmm. Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 16:06:06 [Preview] No.6676 del
>>6671
Your tsundere is showing, babe.


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 16:14:16 [Preview] No.6677 del
>>6675
>Bear with us.
Given all dat russpeak we see flying by day by day on the front page I think it is safe to say, we are.


Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 21:38:23 [Preview] No.6684 del
>>6677
Медведь с нами.
Медведь как мы.
Медведь лучше нас.


Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 10:04:31 [Preview] No.6687 del
I think we're back? Maybe with some caching issues, the front page doesn't look right.


Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 10:07:48 [Preview] No.6688 del
>>6687
give it a shift-reload. Should be fine


Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 13:33:00 [Preview] No.6689 del
It's good to be back, I guess. Was there a bunker for /ratanon/ that I am not aware of?

The threads don't show their OP pics. Maybe a CSS fix is necessary?


Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 14:30:48 [Preview] No.6690 del
>>6689
Nope, I think /ratanon/ just died during the downtime. Hopefully people didn't leave it entirely. I'm still here at least.


Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 17:20:03 [Preview] No.6692 del
Well, I'm still here. I'm a little disappointed though. It seems our rat-folk porn didn't make it across the migration.


Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 21:54:54 [Preview] No.6693 del
>>8 here. This is the future you chose.


Anonymous 08/29/2019 (Thu) 23:05:03 [Preview] No.6696 del
If Endchan goes down again, regroup in the PHP.net User Submitted Comments.
https://www.php.net/manual/en/class.gender.php


Anonymous 09/01/2019 (Sun) 19:04:10 [Preview] No.6697 del
>>6696
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Anonymous 09/03/2019 (Tue) 16:11:43 [Preview] No.6698 del
EndChan has all the design sense and competence of LW 2.0. The catalogue hides missing OP images, making it impossible to click through to the thread. Every available page layout is ugly. I hope we can go back to 8chan.


Anonymous 09/04/2019 (Wed) 17:27:07 [Preview] No.6699 del
>>6698
It turns out there's javascript that actively removes the thumbnails that don't load.
I've found a CSS fix. It should be solved now, or after Ctrl+F5.


Anonymous 09/08/2019 (Sun) 08:34:00 [Preview] No.6702 del
Spoilered images are broken.


Anonymous 09/08/2019 (Sun) 08:37:34 [Preview] No.6703 del
>>6699
I am curious if they had a good reason to add such a script, because it seems a clearly bad idea.


Anonymous 09/10/2019 (Tue) 19:53:49 [Preview] No.6704 del
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>>6702
Re-uploading the custom spoiler image helped, but I'm going to throw some more CSS in the mix too.


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Anonymous 10/15/2019 (Tue) 07:44:12 [Preview] No.6726 del
>>6725
>do not link to content that is illegal in USA
Well well, the servers moved. I wonder why...


Anonymous 10/15/2019 (Tue) 08:51:27 [Preview] No.6727 del
>>6726
Eh. Last I heard Skaven porn is still legal in the U S of A. I'm OK with the other restrictions.


Anonymous 10/15/2019 (Tue) 10:08:40 [Preview] No.6728 del
>>6726
The servers have always been in the USA. Just not the rest of the company.


Anonymous 11/04/2019 (Mon) 21:55:24 [Preview] No.6742 del
This place is so dead now.


Anonymous 12/16/2019 (Mon) 18:11:29 [Preview] No.6753 del
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Diego Caleiro, Brent Dill, Michael Anissimov(?)
Who else?



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