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Bernd 07/26/2020 (Sun) 19:16:23 [Preview] No.38802 del
Hopefully Bernds here are already familiar with the Magyarábs. We had a brief conquer Africa "game" in the old shitty maps thread. Read from here: >>36873


Bernd 07/26/2020 (Sun) 19:23:14 [Preview] No.38803 del
Maybe Khanates would fit into this? Can it be any type of ethnic group around the world OP?


Bernd 07/26/2020 (Sun) 19:25:15 [Preview] No.38804 del
>>38801
>Turks of South Carolina.
So they might not were Turkish. Maybe North Africans.
Now that we are that area I heard the rare blond and blue eyed people along the coast there considered the descendants of the Vandals.


Bernd 07/26/2020 (Sun) 19:27:54 [Preview] No.38805 del


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 10:38:49 [Preview] No.38820 del
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people an ethnic group in Hungary of Iranic descent


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 16:59:40 [Preview] No.38821 del
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>Serbia
>Belgium
I wonder who is this. Weird because both featured months ago, quite sudden their appearance. Too consistent to be simple proxy. Maybe they really are but I'm skeptical.
Pls, do not misunderstand me, I'm glad if someone else posts beside me.

Anyway.
Onto the Great Hungarian Plain among us three groups of steppe people were settled. The aforementioned jász (Yaziges), besenyő (Pecheneg), and kun (Cuman), the latter two of Turkic origin. They don't exists today as real ethnicities, only geographical regions and settlements preserve their names. Some Hungarians might identify themselves as such, or hold the belief of their ancestry.
Weird case of the Avars, archaeology revealed they seen the Hungarian Conquest of the Carpathian Basin, but we don't know about their further fate (well they were assimilated), and no place or geographical names preserve their presence. This led to the hypothesis, that the "Avars" living here when the Magyars of Árpád arrived were Hungarians, who slowly migrated into the Avar Khaganate and surpassed and replaced the original population.
A fourth group of Turkic people arrived with the Hungarians, the kabar tribes (sometimes written as kavar) who were subjects of the Khazar Khaganate, a subgroup of the Khazars. Sometimes it's speculated that our third Christian king, Aba Sámuel, was from the Kabars - who was related to the Árpáds via marriage.

There are the Székelys ofc, who are Hungarians. Some researchers say they have Turkic origins, but no evidence exist that they spoke any other language than Hungarian. Usually it isn't disputed that they joined later, most likely after the Conquest, since they already lived here, and they were used as border guards since it was customary for steppe people to use freshly incorporated tribes to use as such. Well, they say they did.
If you guys want really obscure people in this corner of the world check out Csángós:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csangos


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 17:41:02 [Preview] No.38823 del
>>38821
I've been here for years and you don't know me)))))
Böszörmény
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6sz%C3%B6rm%C3%A9ny
>Böszörmény, also Izmaelita (Hysmaelita / Ishmaelites) or Szerecsen (Saracens), is a name for the Muslims who lived in the Kingdom of Hungary in the 10–13th centuries. Some of the Böszörmény probably joined the federation of the seven Magyar tribes during the 9th century, and later smaller groups of Muslims arrived in the Carpathian Basin. They were engaged in trading but some of them were employed as mercenaries by the kings of Hungary. Their rights were gradually restricted from the 11th century on, and they were coerced to accept baptism following the establishment of the Christian Kingdom of Hungary. They "disappeared" (probably became Christian) by the end of the 13th century.


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 17:42:21 [Preview] No.38825 del
>>38821
>>38823
Fuck. Well now you know the "Serb", is just me on a proxy. I honestly don't know who the hell the Belgian is, however.


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 18:29:30 [Preview] No.38826 del
>>38823
Ahm I forgot about those Ishmaelites. They also dealt in tax collection. They borrowed moneys to the kings and they let them collect the tax instead of paying back directly. Not sure the term for this in English. Jews had this business all over Europe, here too.
Also we have matyó and palóc Hungarian subgroups who might have Turkic origin, might not, like the székelys.
We can also mention the tirpák minority, they are Northern Hungarians, in today's north east Hungary. I'm not sure if they preserved their Slavic language, there is an official Northern Hungarian minority they might belong to them.
Let's see if I can remember others. I know we have Greeks too. They aren't recent implants like the Chinese.
Some wanted to make a Hun minority, but I think wasn't allowed. During census they supposedly reported themselves ethnic Huns. They are just Hungarians tho.

>>38825
Busted.
I bet the Belgien is Swebernd with proxy. Maybe Dutch Bernd, it's literally the same country. Well, parts.


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 18:58:07 [Preview] No.38827 del
This thread can't exist without these meme people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazians_of_African_descent

Although there is no photos and other sources about their current existence, nor proper history of their appearance in Abkhazia. Multiple theories exist, from some plantation workers of Georgian nobility to Peter I imported Africans.

Anyway, it is very funny, especially if you'd seen Caucasians and know their cultural traits and behavior in real life. Now imagine them as blacks and it will be hilarious.

Considering ethnic groups in general, Russia has dozens of so called "small nations" (less than 50 thousands people), mostly on north, like Evenks (Tunguses), Nenets, Veps (those are Finns thought) etc, but I don't know if they can be considered obscure. Some of them are almost extinct (~500 people), but they mostly not so easily distinguished from their neighbors.


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 19:27:27 [Preview] No.38831 del
>>38827
We wuz Khans and shiet.

Russia is also kind a big melting pot of nations. At least until we arrive to the far east, where Mongoloids absorb everything thrown at them.
It is said about Turan (which northern regions are now in Russia): it's like a tub with three taps over it, people flowing into it from Europe, Iran/India, and Mongolia.


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 19:56:53 [Preview] No.38834 del
>>38831
I have to add: Turan is also a spring people flowing from toward those aforementioned directions.


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 20:25:54 [Preview] No.38837 del
very obscure mountain tribe, that really exists, but sometimes gets associated with the Swiss

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Jews


Bernd 07/28/2020 (Tue) 20:42:56 [Preview] No.38839 del
>>38837
>very obscure

Some pretty famous Russian oligarchs and billionaires are Mountain Jews.


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Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 01:43:58 [Preview] No.38842 del
Not that obscure but northern Cisplatina has always been Lusophone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Portuguese


Bernd 07/29/2020 (Wed) 16:11:31 [Preview] No.38853 del
>>38840
Ah the Genghisids. Thanks for clarification.


Bernd 07/30/2020 (Thu) 11:08:20 [Preview] No.38868 del
>>38804
Actually they are called Türk, atleast in Libya.

>>38801
We'e like jews, always manage to pop up in somewhere.


Bernd 07/30/2020 (Thu) 17:21:18 [Preview] No.38873 del
>>38868
I read about that, maybe it's in the article of Britball about Libya in Kohlzine. Large number of people has Turkic heritage there. And there weren't Vandals there ofc, just in the western Mediterranean.
>We'e like jews
You guys might wanna move from Germany.


Bernd 07/30/2020 (Thu) 19:22:08 [Preview] No.38874 del
>>38842
How about the people in the jungle? Could be a yet undiscovered tribe covering in the shade? Ala Cannibal Holocaust.


Bernd 08/02/2020 (Sun) 16:31:44 [Preview] No.38948 del
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How about the Ladins in South Tyrol, Italy?
They have national epic (Kingdom of Fanes) and everything, including fine athletes of winter sports. They are also the spurdos of the Latins.
http://www.ilregnodeifanes.it/inglese/intro.htm
>This site is devoted to the ancient legend and to its tentative interpretation.


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 01:14:15 [Preview] No.38995 del
>>38948
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moena"

"ights include the church of San Vigilio, with a Gothic bell tower and 18th-century paintings by Valentino Rovisi, and the ancient church of San Volfango, with 15th-century frescoes and a Baroque ceiling by Giovanni Guadagnini (17th century).

Once a year the festival La Turchia takes place during the 19th of August until the 21st. According to Turkish tradition villagers celebrating an event which dates back 323 years. An Ottoman Jennaseries, wounded during the Siege of Vienna 1683 ended up here and changed the life of the village and became a hero. He fell in love with a local woman and founded a family. In the center also there is a statue of that Janissary."

https://diplomaticobserver.com/_haber/a-turkish-village-in-moena-

"“LA TURCHIA” Although they do not speak Turkish or have not come to Turkey the people of Moena celebrate every summer the Turkish festival which has become a tradition since the 1950s. That they continue the legend which originated 323 years ago according to Turkish tradition and customs shows the respect they fell towards the janissary with whom the legend originated. The Legend of “Il Turco”… According to legend someone from the Duchy of Ausburg (which at the time ruled Moena) found a wounded janissary 323 years ago, after the second siege of Vienna and had him treated. The janissary who later marries an Italian girl prefers to live in a tent rather than a house, fitting with the image of an Ottoman man.

In time he becomes the headperson of the town, incites the people to revolt against the unfair taxes being gathered by the soldiers of the Duchy of Ausburg and is declared a hero in the region. The janissary who lived in a tent and went around with his turban and sword in his belt does not manage to fit in Europe. However the anonymous Turk makes the people of the area like Turkish tradition and customs so much so that this “Turkish” village continues it traditions for the following 323 years. The janissary whom the people of Moena call “il Turco” had no children and his grave is not marked. That they have continued the tradition with deep respect for the legend even after the death of “il Turco” and have made it last for 323 years shows just how faithful the people of Moena are.

Every summer the “Moena Turkish Festival” is held in Moena, a mountain village at the foothills of the Manzori Mountains, not unlike those in the Black Sea. The festival is held at the square where the janissary bust is situated and lasts for two days. Everyone is dressed like “Turks” at the festival, including the mayor. Inhabitants of Moena make their own costumes from what they have learnt from books and television. People dressed as janissaries move around in the streets during the festival.

The oldest man in Moena dresses as the sultan and represents “il Turco”. Tme people of Moena who have taken up Turkish tradtion and customs also demand dowries for the brides. When a bride is sent out of the village the ceremony of “Albastia” is held. In the ceremony in which the elders of the village are dressed up as the sultan and the rests as Turks, the sultans’ approval is needed for the bride to leave. The approval ceremony is held as the bride leaves the village. The people of Moena take this as tradition. Inhabitants of Moena include the legend of “il Turco” in every aspect of their lives. The villagers who continue Turkish tradition even in their houses continue to pass on this tradtion which they took over from their ancestors to their children with faith."


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 05:11:24 [Preview] No.39002 del
>>38995
Also, Turk is a medieval English surname predating the Ottomans:
https://forebears.io/surnames/turk
>This surname is derived from a geographical locality. 'the Turk,' a Mohammedan; 'all Jews, Turks, Infidels, and Heretics': The Book of Common Prayer. compare Sarson.
>William le Turc, Essex, 1273. Hundred Rolls.
>John Turk, Kent, ibid.
Quite similar to "Dennis" (in England, not France) meaning "Danish" and "Norris" meaning Norwegian.


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 05:13:00 [Preview] No.39003 del
>>38995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turk_(surname)
Only a few of the people listed here are Turks, Arabs and Kurds. Most are English, Germans, and Slavs. Interesting how high it is in Slovenia, seeing how it was never conquered by the Turks in reality.


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 12:36:28 [Preview] No.39009 del
>>39002
There are ethnic Turks and Turks by proffession like some of the non Turk janissaries (contrary to common knowledge after 1500's ethnic Turks and muslims in generalcould be janissary as well) foreign privateers work for ottomans and converted to islam etc.

>>39003
As for kurd one he is a legit kurd. As for arab ones might be remnants of seljuks or ottos in general.

> Interesting how high it is in Slovenia
people migrate and influenced by neighbours.


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 17:43:58 [Preview] No.39016 del
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

Wonder if there is any celtic remains in turkey


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 17:45:23 [Preview] No.39018 del


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 17:47:48 [Preview] No.39019 del
>>39016
I know a guy from Ankara being ginger and green eyes with freckles. Not sure celtic origins, many different tribes, ethnicities also have them albeit in smaller numbers. From what I know celts migrated back from the area while migrating they attacked a few greek city states in balkans.


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 17:49:53 [Preview] No.39020 del
>>39019
There are also redheads in Bursa (Phrygia). It's probably not from Galatia (which was probably Germanic, not Celtic in-fact) but either from the natives, later European migration or the Turkic migrations themselves (Oghuz were said to be redheaded)


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 17:56:27 [Preview] No.39021 del
>>39020
Well I live in bursa.

>oghuz
Well even smaller portion of ireland is redheaded not majority. Doubt there were way too many of them.


Bernd Board volunteer 08/04/2020 (Tue) 18:15:01 [Preview] No.39026 del
>>38995
Nice tidbit, never would have thought. I randomly picked out the Ladins, and you found a connection.

>>39002
We had several noble families with Török surname (and it seems one written as Thewrewk - in this case the w is basically u like in Welsh language). One of them risen into the ranks of the high aristocracy.
It seems even the oldest gens' weren't older than the half of the 15th century which is well in the Ottoman era, them being our southern neighbour. The origins are obscure, if I had to guess at least a couple of their ancestors were ennobled for their service in the wars against the Ottomans.


Bernd 08/04/2020 (Tue) 22:11:13 [Preview] No.39036 del
>>38874
>How about the people in the jungle? Could be a yet undiscovered tribe covering in the shade?
Not impossible.

>>38995
Impressive in how willpower and personal charisma can shape a community. Sometimes they even form communities.


Bernd 08/07/2020 (Fri) 14:57:33 [Preview] No.39088 del
>>39036
Sometimes I wonder how long could a memory of a prehistorical hero live on. Was Gilgamesh a hunter or shaman of several thousand years dead already by the time Sumers immortalized him? "Oh he was just made up by them" - we can state easily, but who knows.



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