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New Governmental Design Arminius 07/24/2021 (Sat) 21:58:13 Id: f6292b [Preview] No. 85047
So seeing as most people here would admit that democracy is a failed political system and would opt for a more dedicated and loyal form of governance I thought I would write a bit on this and see what people have to say on my take as to how a future white nation may conduct it's affairs so that it's people enjoy maximum happiness whilst ensuring the continued growth and development of our people. So starting off I'll just list a couple reasons why democracies suck.

-Slow and clumsy: voting takes precious time that with a more streamlined system could save lives and prevent disaster out right.

-Susceptible to corruption: This is pretty obvious but the number one concerns of politicians is reelection this means the best way to ensure reelection is to spend as much money on campaigns as possible and how do you acquire this money? Through various donors whose policies you will push in exchange for cash.

-The dumbing down of politics: Most politics today is dictated by the theatrics of the political system not through great minds or great leadership. Too often people are divided into groups and then hating each other for stupid reasons and the election is devoid of any meaningful discussion or meaningful action since politicians won't solve a problem they need to be elected on to solve. Thus ensuring they would be elected in perpetuity as long as the problem continues to be a problem.

-Rule of the mob: the majority of people are not politically active or mindful and yet are for some reason entitled to have a vote. A migrant who obtains citizenship is for some reason allowed to vote. Not only does focus of political issues get dispersed and can even be focused on non meaningful problems like refugees and so on. But the political system is boiled down to who is the most popular and who can appeal to the lowest common denominator.


So in seeing these issues I propose a two tier system of government in the style of our forefathers with various adjustments so that it may perform better than our previous systems.

One is a simple regional democratic system which elects a governor for an indefinite term which lasts until a challenger can call for new elections.

Then we have a federal meritocratic government above that which one can only access through skills and accomplishment.

The federal government's priority has to do with the boundaries of the nation as well as general problems within the nation such as food self sufficiency and the probable need for expansion to provide room for a thriving people. The scale of the federal government includes all regional states and takes into account things like disease, infrastructure and security.

The regional democratic government's powers is limited to the everyday lives of the people namely community administration and communal infrastructure.

How the federal government will appoint new members will be reliant on the quality of candidates and their success in certain fields pertaining to the positions that the federal government needs. Finally a leader for the federal government will be chosen based on support from within the federal government and will not be leader for life but rather leader until retirement upon which they will take on an advisory role and not any leadership role unless some unforeseen circumstance such as the assassination of a leader.


continuation Arminius 07/24/2021 (Sat) 21:58:56 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85048 del
How would such a system be accountable to the citizenry? since there are no political parties at least at a federal level there would be no elections and hence no shenanigans with fake promises and foreign money buying influence. regional government would be constantly at the mercy of the citizenry who could call for an election at any time as long as they have a strong candidate that could challenge the current governor.

What about rights? It's been a long problem that I've been wrestling with the idea of rights as it's simple a farcical idea that has stuck in people's heads. A right as understood to me today is something that the government guarantees to its citizens even though most governments today are malleable in their words and the rights of citizens count for nothing. I introduce the idea of fundamentals which are things that cannot be obstructed by law and government currently I've applied this to two ideas that being of speech and self defence. A person can always speak what is on their mind because that is the power of speech that we all have and nothing short of cutting out someone's tongue could prevent it. the second fundamental is self defence when confronted with something damaging to your body, loved ones or fellow citizens it is your prerogative to act best in this situation if someone where to break into your house and you ambush them to clear the threat you should not face any penalties.

Many people would say why free speech? isn't that redundant? because if someone has free speech then they could just demand and argue against the people, the government and nation and cause division and strife in that way.

To that I say the answer is strength of culture, so long as our culture and way of life remains strong these people would find no foot hold, so long as people understand that their freedom is secured through the people being of one philosophy and one great culture these rabble rousers would be quelled.

The objective of this government is to ensure that the people thrive and grow stronger with each generation. So we can draw upon greater strength from within ourselves and so let our society achieve greater heights. A strong people require challenges as well as the freedom to meet those challenges on those terms. Eventually as they prove themselves they will achieve greater heights and positions in society which would encourage people to follow their example.


Anonymous 07/25/2021 (Sun) 06:01:35 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85049 del
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I'm not going to argue at all against any of those reasons you listed as to why democracies suck. While the NSDAP had the majority vote at the end, Hitler was appointed Now about the rest. Your descriptions of the federal government roles were exactly what National Socialism did. It was a meritocracy. However, your proposal for a regional democracy ("until a challenger can call for new elections") after explaining exactly why it sucks makes little sense. As you stated: elections are "shenanigans with fake promises and foreign money buying influence". Because the regional elected official holds the authority, he could simply abolish the ability of the citizenry to call for another election "at any time" through not only speaking against the concept, but paying media outlets to parrot his opposition to it. Strong challenging candidate or not. Strength is not what works in a democracy. Candidates don't fight in a test of wills. The one whose lies are believed more gets the position. You can rename rights to "fundamentals" and it would change nothing. Regional candidates bribed by wealthy PAC organizations and corporations would decide any number of those are 'not truly fundamental' and eliminate or neuter each one in time. Free speech has become 'unless someone says certain things the jews don't like'. Self defense has become a farce in the justice system. If you did come to power and laid down these ground rules, it may be fine at first, for awhile. Eventually, those rules would gradually deteriorate in an increasingly degenerate society. That is where we're at now. We're not in a collapse as the blindly recited meme suggests. Society is declining. It's decaying. Further, one culture and one philosophy is what the enemy wants. An eventual degradation of all other cultures by combining those that do not mix so that cultures mingle too much to resemble anything of value. This is the same result as miscegenation the enemy pushes. A mentally handicapped psychotic abomination is always the result. If you don't live around these creatures enough to witness monstrosities of interracial breeding, you need only look to India where the brown hoards shit in and pile up garbage on the streets as their verbal assault on your ears is nothing short of rapid fire insanity. We've had many proposals for alternatives to National Socialism on this board. The main reason none of them were viable is that all jews, as they are born nation destroyers, every one of them grips hold of our foundations through their vile tricks and pulls those foundations down through many steady degenerate infections of our ways of life. A meritocracy cannot exist in a world where jews are CEOs of multi billion dollar corporations (many of which are media), international banks or hold any talking positions in government. Not when the people are blinded by their lies. There is no new political party or 'non-party' that can stop this degradation unless kikes are first grabbed by their hooked noses and taken out of all positions of any import. None may have the ability to influence. Not a single one.


Arminius 07/25/2021 (Sun) 08:40:18 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85050 del
This was just me describing what a possible future governmental system could look like once we move past the problems of today. Why I think the regional elections could work is because the regional governments are severely restricted to community management they don't have the ability to write laws that could say you have free speech up until you offend someone. The regional democracies offer a proving ground for potential leaders by making it so there is no term limit in the region and that they can be challenged at any time they would have to act in the interests of all their citizens as opposed to some because otherwise there would be a breakdown of government as multiple candidates would continuously call for elections. the regional governments are subservient to the federal not the other way around. Also to the one culture thing, I don't advocate for the one great culture being an artificial thing created to enslave, rather I mean the recognition of the Indo-European family of culture and that culture promoted above all else and people recognizing that foreign cultures should not be tolerated on the basis that they're inferior and that it would be wrong to compromise culture of the european peoples to satisfy the outsider.


Anonymous 07/25/2021 (Sun) 21:30:43 Id: acad70 [Preview] No.85055 del
>future white nation
What are you on about?
What is a white?


Anonymous 07/26/2021 (Mon) 01:14:08 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85062 del
>>85055
I'm pretty sure it's just American shorthand for indo-Europeans, anon. Though I'm not OP and I'm also fucking sick of the label. Kikes blanket all of us European descendants under white and then proceed with "white is bad" lies, molesting every piece of history they can get their filthy hands on. Every single time you hear or see anything about "white atrocities" or "europeans bad", be immediately suspicious and investigate the reality. The history is not as it seems, as it is being told by jews and parroted off of them. They're the ones actually massacring unarmed men, women and children to this day in their precious Israel while hypocritically crying crocodile tears about past imperialism.


Arminius 07/26/2021 (Mon) 08:20:51 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85063 del
Yes I mean indo europeans, I assumed the other guy was messing around by asking what is a white nation.


Anonymous 07/26/2021 (Mon) 12:57:21 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85064 del
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>>85063
No it's a frequent point of contention by at least one anon here that nobody uses 'white' but Americans. I wouldn't know, as I live in the mixed-cesspool hell-hole that is the United States not of jews, but certainly owned by them as our government are absolute fucking cucks. The only whites here are displaced Europeans, descendants of immigrants. Should we return to our ancestral homelands: kikes have already fucked it up for us. Adding to that, jews also use 'white' as a 5th column tactic they can claim and then discard whenever it's convenient.


Anonymous 07/26/2021 (Mon) 13:05:37 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85065 del
This idea that europe is worse than america is wrong, europe has a higher percentage of whites as well as many nations actively resisting immigration and refugees with nations like denmark proposing the zero refugee policy and france and austria both pushing back of immigration from islamic nations. compared to america that still insists on illegal immigration.


Anonymous 07/26/2021 (Mon) 20:17:03 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85066 del
>>85065
Ok. I never said Europe was worse than America. In fact, I insulted the shit out of the U.S. government for being cucks. Kikes have made billions off of Germany (and the U.S.) for their holocaust swindle, and every region with "holocaust denial" laws is obviously cucked. That includes Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina (as of this month thanks to the faggot Valentin Inzko), the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia and Spain as well as anyone who cucks to the European Union. So it doesn't help to turn a blind eye to jewish domination of European nations either.


Anonymous 07/26/2021 (Mon) 23:06:05 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85067 del
I don't deny europe has it's problems and that it's being extorted. I don't even really give a shit about fighting about who is screwed more, I just want us working together and not just saying how hard it is going to be to combat this.


Anonymous 07/27/2021 (Tue) 00:54:58 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85068 del
>>85067
Don't think of it as a fight. We're both screwed equally, mate. They literally own our militaries because kikes are politicians, presidents, government officials and prime ministers. The police dogmen cucks of all our nations are sent out to kill or arrest us. Since you brought it up, how hard it would be is a pretty important topic which I have yet to find a way around besides gaining numbers as the only effective strategy, given our mortality. It took Hitler 12 years to amass millions of followers from 7 people, and he was doing everything right. In modern times, we have public talking heads that take to social media and amass beta orbiters then give up and lose their following while kikes run Homeland Security and bribe their way into every office.

A master strategy is honestly necessary. Something flawless, because I'll admit the alternatives seem impossible and/or ridiculous.


Anonymous 07/27/2021 (Tue) 10:16:41 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85069 del
>>85068

Well I have a strategy and the first part is simple get a family, have 3 or more kids and buy a property away from the city preferably somewhere where guns are legal. the second part is establishing a community of people with similar ideas and values and then working on a network of support for each other. the third part is to establish full self sustainability and various companies which the communities can use to move around and find jobs and all that. All of this is possible, even most normal people I speak to like the idea of being free of immigrants and political correctness


Anonymous 07/27/2021 (Tue) 23:07:55 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85070 del
>>85069
Well, you would have to prevent the family from watching jewish programming, which must be eliminated from their lives. The community must have schooling, but those who teach history should be heavily scrutinized so they don't pass on the same typical lies. Next you would have plan on how to deal with Developers who come in with a government agenda to "de-gentrify" (read: let shitskins into) the community. How can you keep shitskins out, lawfully, without taking over the state? Should you take power over a state or community, surrounding brainwashed sycophants for jews would cry about "muh racism". Especially with the Obama era's "this neighborhood or business is too white, let's change that" bullshit. Biden's on board with the "too white" faggotry. The jewish media would catch wind of your region, crying out like victims the way they always do. Before you know it, hoards of shitskins will infest your community. That is the kikes' endgame type of region I live in when this area used to be an old German town full of small businesses. They're all closed. Now Wal-Marts full of obese negros, cash loan kiosks, dollar stores, cheap donated clothing fronts and habib marts are everywhere. How do you hold against the storm? With guns? They'd send Feds in to commit Ruby Ridge.


Anonymous 07/27/2021 (Tue) 23:18:34 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85071 del
>>85979

firstly I believe most if not all governments to be incompetent because they are. Secondly I propose moving outside populations centres because that is where most non-whites congregate, where a shit ton of crime and the place where government holds the greatest power. Eliminating programming isn't an issue because TV and movies are garbage. Teaching homeschooling, true telling of how history is and how things work. finally the community I believe people who think the same are more likely to be attracted to each other and are therefore more likely to congregate, there are tons of ways to be self sufficient and you can just travel to get needed things. Also yes guns they won't go after you if you're not load and demonstrate a potential for retaliation. You're hung up on the government being all powerful knowing what you're doing, when you're doing it and believing you have no chance.


Anonymous 07/28/2021 (Wed) 01:19:15 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85074 del
>>85071
>Also yes guns they won't go after you if you're not load and demonstrate a potential for retaliation.
Yeah, that's not how it works. See the image.
>You're hung up on the government being all powerful knowing what you're doing, when you're doing it and believing you have no chance.
The government has no idea what I'm doing when I'm doing it, nor would they give a shit unless they knew I'm a National Socialist. Then I would be a target for their agenda. They'd want me to be a fall-guy for their next staged terrorist attack or public shooting. But they don't know, so that's not even close to the point I was making. All powerful? All the U.S. government has is superior fire power and numbers. They're not powerful. They're pathetic cucks to Israel. They'll do anything their jew masters want. They'll have many more weak, pathetic dogmen with guns willing to die for their kike masters than you'll have defenders. SWAT is trained to go into armed territory and fuck shit up. Government guns outnumber yours and mine and the entire community you would have founded. Then it's just a matter of time until they want to stage some bullshit to gain publicity over murdering "evil white supremacists".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can't achieve anything substantial until you remove jews from the equation, besides gaining numbers and you cannot stop gaining numbers at just a community. Unless you outnumber their brainwashed cattle, kikes will always be there to butt in on and fuck up your plans. The born nation destroyers have a long history of doing just that.


Anonymous 07/28/2021 (Wed) 01:52:05 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85075 del
>>85074

What do you mean remove jews from the equation? I'm talking about a build up a base of operations not just sitting on my hands when I have a community of likeminded people, you need a nation to be taken seriously, for the americans that would be taking control of one of the less populated states through moving people in, in europe a similar thing is possible determined by the type of government, some nations are federations others republics depending on the situation you would need to plan accordingly. but first of all separation from the sources of corruption would be paramount to setting up a solid foundation.


Anonymous 07/28/2021 (Wed) 16:36:32 Id: 3b1492 [Preview] No.85076 del
>>85075
>What do you mean remove jews from the equation?
I mean kikes always corrupt and will constantly cry about your white separatist community until outside forces of obedient cucks that outnumber you do something about it, thus jews must be removed from your community first, then the entire nation as you expand. Your idea's not bad. It just needs to factor in the fact that kikes will forever be a thorn in your side and fuck up your plans until they're removed.


Anonymous 07/28/2021 (Wed) 17:41:41 Id: f6292b [Preview] No.85078 del
>>85076

sorry for the confusion, I just took the elimination of hostile forces as a given in the argument of course anti white sentiment cannot be tolerated, nor can we sit idle and wait for things to get better, we have to act, I'm just proposing a first step.


Anonymous 07/30/2021 (Fri) 18:40:52 Id: fb58e8 [Preview] No.85087 del
>>85055
>sick of the label
Same here.
>but anon, slavs/hindus/italians/etc aren't white, so stop cooperating
>but anon, jesus wan't white, so stop being a christian
>but anon, whites enslaved blacks so give them money
>but anon, whites are racist, you are racist
My main issue is believing in another white/black game when the red/blue game it's falling apart, I am unable to find any source for the white other than the sons of Europe comparing themselves to the negroids and calling themselves whites just because they were not black, quite stupid if you ask me, but you can't expect much from a masonic nation.
>>85063
I don't know if you are afrikaner or american. If the former, I am happy to learn something new, I learned that afrikaners call themselves white, seems the afrikaner term or the boer term no longer apply? I do not know much South African history. If the latter, it is my understanding that the term originated in your nation, and I wanted to learn what good has it brought to the sons of Europe, maybe I'm missing something, because finding tiny hat tribesmen bashing on the term is an easy task, and I certainly wouldn't want to get the same tribesmen in my nation, as they always do the same, they throw the rock and hide their hand, they camouflage among the sons of Europe while they keep bashing on them, and the negroid is unable to distinguish between the two, for him they look the same, white, and I'm certain that's a big problem. OP if you're still there. Why do you use the term white? What good has it brought to your nation? I think I'm missing out on something.


Anonymous 07/31/2021 (Sat) 11:31:15 Id: 8e6470 [Preview] No.85091 del
>>85087

I am a white south african, I guess it's just how the situation has always been, boer distinguishes between british and dutch settlers. But I understand why I need to refer to myself as european as opposed to white now.



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