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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 11:47:40 [Preview] No. 6382 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
How can we improve the pitiful birthrates of the rationalist community?
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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:39:46 [Preview] No.6537 del
Per the sister thread, I believe the solution is widespread gene editing to give the general population williams syndrome.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:40:55 [Preview] No.6541 del
I don't really even care any more. Evolution selects against knowledge of evolution.

Let's all do STEM and produce AGI or transhumans. Better a bot world than a tropicalized world.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:53:27 [Preview] No.6581 del
lower the AOC


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:55:56 [Preview] No.6590 del
>>6382
you're making a lot of assumptions about what's good for the future of humanity there.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:59:45 [Preview] No.6597 del
>>6536
"Dilate" seems to have won out as a response. Have you seen this, have you heard about this?



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Vinay Gupta Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 00:22:04 [Preview] No. 4397 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
What is it with Senpais respect for Vinay Gupta, which appears to be entirely uncalled for when looking at VG's online persona?
I haven't read the "Gupta on Enlightenment" post, because damn do I not care about the object level here, but VG posting in the comment section makes me think SA wasn't exactly being negative about him. I also didn't have the impression that he was being ironic when he was shilling the Luna Coin thing.
What am I missing here? Is VG much more likable / credible in person than in the comment section? Is VG revered by people in SA's circle of friends? Is it an in-joke?
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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 00:46:43 [Preview] No.4461 del
>>4460
You can find more of these videos here:
http://files.howtolivewiki.com/fight_videos_2005ish/


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 01:17:13 [Preview] No.4554 del
>>4460
this is unbelievable

the fighting style is so fluid, it's like he can see through his enemy's defense and completely disregards all traditional styles for his own method

i'm convinced now of everything gupta claims


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 01:21:22 [Preview] No.4561 del
>>4554
Don't you have other things to do in your life than trolling on 8chan, Vinay?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 08:02:50 [Preview] No.5678 del
>>4398

I blame the Bay Aryans. There's some strange force of memetics there which corrupts anyone that moves.

>>4405

Aella is a True Rationalist anon. That is to say she's a bizarre woman deep into esotericism pursuing high variance life strategies like camgirling and weird crypto startups.


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Postrationalism Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 11:10:02 [Preview] No. 2136 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
So what exactly is postrationalism and how does it differ from rationalism?
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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 00:33:00 [Preview] No.4423 del
>>4421
> I don't know, Chapman has specifically called out this view as false and harmful.
https://meaningness.com/monism

True, although I'm not sure all the postrat (or still-rat or rat-adjacent) psychonaughts got the memo.

Advanced tentatively: Chapmanism is compatible with atheism and materialism but is perhaps in conflict with empiricism. It is an introspective, naval-gazing sort of philosophy; sure there's all sorts of emphasis on tantra and "play" and experiencing, but that isn't the sort of thing of which Karl Popper would approve: no repeatable, falsifiable knowledge is being produced, and even if it were, Chapman's hostility to quantifying anything would get in the way of adding the results to the sum of human knowledge anyway.

Come to think of it, that's kind of a common theme among the postrationalists: they accept the conclusions of science (unlike their fin-de-siècle/postmodernist/occultist/whatever predecessors), but their own epistemology prevents them from doing any science themselves (relevant: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/03/against-anton-wilsonism/)


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 00:33:33 [Preview] No.4425 del
>>4423
Chapman also said Monism wins the conflict between it and dualism.

I mean, "Monism holds that all religions and philosophies are essentially the same, and that they point at the same ultimate truth." is not the only kind of monism, neither is "the denial of separateness and diversity."

The sophisticated monisms sound exactly like Chapman's "Patterned yet nebulous" shit.

One thing I don't like about Chapman is that he shows little ability to apply his own multi-systematicity.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 00:38:59 [Preview] No.4443 del
>>2149
lol yeah get back on that dragon army rationalist dojo fam among a gaggle of polyamorous trannies and diabetic neckbeards

afterwards you can meet at your swinger's meeting, talk AI/furry/fantasy fanfiction and mechanical keyboards while Jamal gives your non-primary gf the Warm Fuzzies

then he pascal mugs you but you realise by doing so you've become an Effective Altruist

rationalists are *huge winners*


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l o fucking l


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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:48:20 [Preview] No. 6564 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
autocorrect conspiracy



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what's your favorite rationalist copypasta Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 08:26:55 [Preview] No. 5745 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I'll start:

>You've presented me a gish gallop of claims which are so anti-true that I am losing sleep over them. I have never experienced rage this intense in my entire life; I can actually feel slight nausea. I find myself wondering how you can even conjure up so many evil, slimy, bold-facedly inaccurate things to say. If you were as well-read in Eliezer's writings as would be required for you to be justified in having made any blanket evaluations of LW rationality, there's no way you would have conveyed your disagreement exactly like this, and I am lead to believe you are intentionally creating hostility for some reason, despite actually being oblivious to Eliezer's beliefs and the practices of the LW community.

>And I still want to reconcile with you, calmly and peacefully, because I expect that my gut is probably deceiving me about your intentions. There are so many causes for people saying wrong things, and usually the cause is not bad intent.
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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:24:43 [Preview] No.6495 del
Hey, is “grey tribe” done going on record over Ahmari-French to the extent that the idea of concepts, kinks even, as threatening to destroy society (and not just change it in a way you don’t like) to the extent of legitimating extraliberal suppression is ridiculous, porting over their existing takes on “antis” or whatnot?

‘cause for a while I’ve been expecting a cultural turn on correlation of forces grounds but it was severe enough I couldn’t possibly imagine how anyone could get to narrativizing it from where we are, and I just found an answer-shaped idea, it’s chillingly well precedented, the coalition that would be against it just spent the last decade defining themselves against each other, the premise and the motte are perfectly in line with modern goodthink, and the bailey is the most corrosive weapons-grade infohazard I’ve ever seen


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:35:37 [Preview] No.6525 del
But I'm not quite like Perevozchenko. I have more balls than him. And if I had been in Chernobyl, and I saw Dyatlov, my leader, behaving like a deranged modern jackass, I would have punched his lights out (Oh, how uncharitable, the horror!) and started executing my plan for dealing with the crisis (and I have such a plan), because Dyatlov is not in need of charity, he's in need of being smacked around the room, and charity, along with the other rules of the sub, are not the tool we need for this crisis, so mods, you have to suspend them for me, instead of locking my posts for Culture War like you're a Fahrenheit 451 fireman instead of a decent human being like me.

What's that mods? Was that uncharitable to you? Do you think that the ethical thing to do when O'Brien tells you 2 + 2 = 5 in Room 101, is to be charitable and play along, instead of biting his face off? How sure are you you're not O'Brien? Because you remind me of him. And when you ban me or lock me, you are saying 2 + 2 = 5, but without typing it out! That's how wrong you are! And I don't know what casuistry you have running through your head, that makes you think you're being the good guy when you deplatform me, but I'm sure it's worthy of r/SneerClub.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:36:25 [Preview] No.6528 del
>>6495
What the hell does this even mean?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:36:41 [Preview] No.6529 del
>>6528
It's Kontextmaschine (on tumblr) announcing that he thought of a genius scissor statment which will upset the political landscape, destroy the existing set of political coalitions, and sweep away the last remnants of the liberal order. At first he was all "oh no, I couldn't possibly let this basilisk lose", but now he seems to be saying that he might drop it if we flatter him enough.


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>>6529
Has he posted it yet? Or at least let slip any clues about it? I'm only asking out of curiosity.



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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 11:58:34 [Preview] No. 6406 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
CMV: Suicide is a rational choice for many people

Life has no meaning.
Due to that the only thing that really matters is the quality of the journey. Do you enjoy the Dance/Game of life.
If most of the time Life is shitty for you (High amounts of suffering), even if nothing terrible really happens. You're probably better off dead. Why would you like to experience a shitty time?

Possible counterarguments – answers
Not everybody feel more suffering than joy in their life – It's true, but many do. I would assume > 10%. Many of these people choose to live only due to fear of death, or to serve ideologies, religions or other spooks. They are being used by the system just like animals that are bred for their meat. It doesn't mean their life worth experiencing.

Even if it's rational to commit suicide, it's not easy or sometimes even possible, Survival instinct is a bitch – I agree, My argument only says that's the "rational" thing to do, the one that makes sense. Not that's it's easy or always possible.

Some people live for other people – Agreed again, if you have dependents (like small children) maybe it's better you won't kill yourself and leave them alone. Your friends/parents/wife are also a reasonable reason, but weaker IMO - if they really love you they should understand that death might be better for you.
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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:42:01 [Preview] No.6545 del
>>6516
>The expected number of actual people trying the quantum billionaire trick is much smaller than the expected number of fictional people written by Scott trying it
Scott's only one man, and he won't likely be making the same kind of rationalist-y fiction you can hypothesise about by knowing Scott's writing decades from now, and he hasn't even written on the quantum billionaire trick, so the expectation that gives me is <1. What kind of assumptions are you making to get expectations that make a Pascal's-Mugging-adjacent "even a little bit" argument viable?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:42:33 [Preview] No.6547 del
>>6406
You know nobody's going to change your view, yet you have no intention of suicide. Funny that.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:42:49 [Preview] No.6548 del
>>6545
I think it's very unlikely that even one person is going to try the quantum billionaire trick, at least until ems are invented.
If you find yourself seriously considering it then you're arguably pretty likely to be a fictional character. If you care in the abstract about how fictional rationalisty people are portrayed, then you should take that into consideration, because there's a decent chance you'll influence that.
This consideration still isn't as important as the possibility of dying and/or becoming a billionaire, but it might be enough to change some specifics about the way you execute it, or be a tiebreaker.
It's not likely*important enough to be an imperative, but it's likely enough to take into consideration.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:43:05 [Preview] No.6549 del
>>6548
I was completely serious about >>6422, other than implementation specifics, and I'm not a fictional character as far as I can tell. I'm not suicidal, but in general I have a hard time believing the set of people who (believe they) have nothing to lose, from now until the invention of ems, contains 0 people who consider quantum suicide trickery worth messing with.

Also your whole argument still relies on fictional characters having a conscious experience. My intuition is that it would be wasteful to simulate a universe with this level of complexity simply for storytelling, so it would be relatively easy to identify your world as created for narrative purposes from the inside. Our universe would need to meet that criteria before I can bother worrying about whether I'm in a Scott masterwork or some plebeian mass entertainment.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:43:21 [Preview] No.6550 del
>>6549
>Also your whole argument still relies on fictional characters having a conscious experience.
It doesn't. By being the kind of person who would consider the possibility of being in a story, a fictional character based on people like you will be more likely to consider the possibility of being in a story.
That's the beauty of acausal decision theory. You can acausally influence the behavior of your simulation, often even if the simulation is insufficiently detailed to be conscious.



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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:34:30 [Preview] No. 6522 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/07/04/some-clarifications-on-rationalist-blogging/

> Insofar as SSC makes any pretensions to rationality at all, it’s a rationalist picnic and not a rationalist monastery. (…) Everything above applies to SSC’s engagement with effective altruism too, except 100x more. (…) I’ve been consistently skeptical of claims that rationality has much practical utility if you’re already pretty smart and have good intuitions and domain-specific knowledge. (…) In any case, if rationality has much practical utility for your everyday life, you won’t find that practical utility here.

Did anything happen recently? Is it in response to something?

While Scott claims he doesn't distance himself from the community, it sounds like " rationality and EA are interesting, but they might make little to no practical difference, treat them as interesting concepts, but don't expect me to continue providing substantial input on things in the movement, calling out bad actors or addressing controversies". As much as I'd like Scott to remain heavily involved, I respect his need for autonomy and keeping SSC a place for people with diverse backgrounds.


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Scott embraced cultural evolution and came out as NRx.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:35:53 [Preview] No.6526 del
Scott just doesn't want to be blamed for everything associated with rationality and EA when he's only responsible for what he himself posts on SSC.

He's not the leader or the movement or anything, obviously, since there is no organized movement with leaders.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:42:17 [Preview] No.6546 del
>>6526
You mean he's a coward who doesn't stand by his own followers.



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J 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:33:53 [Preview] No. 6520 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I consider applying for an unpaid internship at CEA. Have you had any experiences with them? If you could choose, would you go for the Berkeley or Oxford office?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:36:09 [Preview] No.6527 del
>>6520
>I consider applying for an unpaid internship at CEA.
Why?



Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:01:19 [Preview] No. 6416 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
How should you deal with issues of anger and resentment?
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Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:08:27 [Preview] No.6442 del
Become an edgy left-wing artist.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:12:19 [Preview] No.6456 del
>>6435
Anything. Does it matter?


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:12:53 [Preview] No.6458 del
>>6456
I'm not sure, the general solutions are probably harder (meditation, learning to control your emotions, etc.) and you might want to deal with each cause anyway which could easily go in opposite directions.

Miscommunication, injustice, inability to stand your ground, "entitlement", a burdensome family member, petty envy, etc. can all foster anger and resentment.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:13:25 [Preview] No.6460 del
>>6458
Then anger and resentment over any of those.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:28:42 [Preview] No.6507 del
>>6460

drugs



Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:26:30 [Preview] No. 6499 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/07/02/editing-unsong/

> "onoes, what if someone calls me racist for an absolutely fucking inoffensive joke about china D: D: D:"

please someone archive.is the entire novel before scott cucks it up kthx ?

let's see if /ratanon/ Gets Shit Done or if this board is less capable than fucking /tg/


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:27:20 [Preview] No.6502 del
try this:

wget -p –mirror –reject-regex=".*replytocom.*" https://unsongbook.com/

I haven't checked to make sure the reject-regex works. You'll know it works if you don't download a lot of index.html?replytocom= links.

I think I got banned. You should probably put in some kind of waiting option.


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:28:26 [Preview] No.6506 del
>>6503
thanks :D


Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 12:29:14 [Preview] No.6509 del
This thread should be merged into >>3373. Polite תנא.