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Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 19:43:15 [Preview] No. 36876
I got the sudden idea to look up an old Hungarian science-fiction magazine, the Galaktika. I remember seeing some when I was a kid. It was published from 1972 to 1995, then restarted in 2004. They have a website now too, but after a quick look-see I have no good opinion on that for now.
Anyway I wanna browse old ones, I haven't seen on the site any, but Wikipee linked an archived ftp server with the first five issue. Maybe I'll find more. I hope, coz I won't be able to post here much otherwise.
I thought if I find something interesting, I write a little, make screenshots, post pictures from them. Or just look up Boros Zoltán's and Szikszai Gábor's works, they made great many illustrations for the magazine throughout the years. Curiously their website has a "Gallery" option, but I found an empty page there.


Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 19:45:06 [Preview] No.36878 del
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The magazine published a mix of writings, foreign and homebrew. In the first issue I see many translations made by Göncz Árpád, the first President of Hungary after the regime change.
Heh, also an article about the ecological catastrophe Earth is facing. I only read some in the first page but that's breddy interesting, it says:
Because in the last few years it became very fashionable to write about environmentalism, saving nature, and ecological destruction. Writers educated themselves onto a professional level in environmental devastation, becoming absolute virtuoso in the depiction of a frighteningly dark future. [...] The danger is [...] that the destruction of the environment will become an unwanted but tolerated harm [...] like a grandiose alcoholism. [...] Deluge of studies and articles discussed the question, they deployed all the tools of mass communication against this disease. The result haven't waited: perpetually, and not even slowly, grows the number of alcoholics all around the world.
This in 1972. Thankfully Greter is here to save us all.

Anyway. I just started to write this, no plan or previously gathered material so I'm not sure what I can upload and when. But I'll try.


Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 21:03:38 [Preview] No.36882 del
>>36876
>>36878
Sounds cool. Do you have any dl links bernd?


Bernd 05/21/2020 (Thu) 22:54:29 [Preview] No.36884 del
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fent van nkóron
legalábbis pár éve fent volt
már nincs fiókom


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 05:58:50 [Preview] No.36894 del
>>36882
Sure. But as I said this is just the first five issue:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120208190749/http://ftp.booker.hu/~publicfilesa/ebook/

>>36884
Too bad. I'd no acc to begin with. I don't wanna watch movies with Hungarian dub and don't wanna play magyarított games, so who needs that...
Anyway gonna solve it somehow.


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 16:53:14 [Preview] No.36898 del
Here's a couple more info about the magazine, and the 1st issue.
It was published monthly in the form of anthology, containing short stories, novels, poems, articles, pictures (photos, drawings, paintings, as illustrations or standalone), caricatures, comics... The contents were gathered into a mix of selection or thematic, on 100+ pages.
In it's prime it was among the largest titles, sold in over 90 000 copies, in comparison similar American magazines (such as picrel) could surpass it only by a couple tens of thousands more. And if we take into consideration that Hungary had a 10 mil. population, while the US had 200 mil, we can conclude the Hungarian readers were very much science-fiction and technology oriented.
In the first issue contains translations of W. Hilton Young, Gérard Diffloth, Isaac Asimov, Andrei Dmitruk, D.A. Bilenkin, Robert Sheckley, J. Kagarlickij, Edward Lucie-Smith, Charles Dobzynski.
In 1974 it got the title of the Best European Science Siction Magazine in Grenoble at the Eurocon.


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Okay, found something curious.
The subtitle for the image says:
a. Depiction of a rocket leaving for Mars in the 19th century
b. Golden cone from the 13th century BC (Nurnberg National Museum); according to scientists it's a religious object. But according to every kid of our time, it looks similar to the Apollo rocket at the launch pad.

So tried to identify these, I had easier time with the second one, it really is/was in Nuremberg, they say it's a golden hat of a sun priest (scroll down bout the half):
https://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/iss/kap_a/advanced/ta_1_1l.html
Others exist:
https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/mystery-four-golden-hats-bronze-age-002630

But illustration a is a harder nut to crack, "19th century mars rocket" doesn't give really good results. Ofc I associated to Verne's Lunar visitors, but their craft was a giant artillery shell, shot from a gun. However I came accross this article:
https://pioneersofflight.si.edu/content/tsiolkovsky-spacecraft-model
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky was one of the fathers of space travel, or travel to space, a Russian rocket scientist, who was born in the 19th century, and died as a Soviet comrade, so would be kinda appropriate for a Hungarian publication in the 70's to take a look at his work.
As far as I can tell right now, he hadn't left any depictions of his vision, but written description he did. Pic #3 is a model for an 1936 Soviet movie, inspired by him. Very notable detail is the division of the body of this rocket into three compartments - observable in both image.
So maybe I'm on the right track here. The article in Galaktika issue #1, where this illustration comes from, doesn't give any help, it's just "Introduction to science fiction literature", no palpable there.


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 20:51:01 [Preview] No.36902 del
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>>36901
Here's Apollo rocket.


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 22:26:32 [Preview] No.36906 del
>>36901
>As far as I can tell right now, he hadn't left any depictions of his vision, but written description he did

Tsiolkovsky had plenty of drawings, but they are mostly schematic - he wasn't illustrator but mostly a philosopher (stereotypical Russian Cosmist of late XIX, like Fyodorov but less crazy).

But that drawing looks more modern, I think even 1950+, and there may be multiple sources of inspirations. I guess it is from numerous of space-related books that are already forgotten, so it isn't easy to find.


Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 07:09:12 [Preview] No.36913 del
>>36906
>mostly a philosopher (stereotypical Russian Cosmist of late XIX
Even better.
I suspect the drawing in pic #1 could be drawn on one of his descruptions, like how that model for the movie was done.
But it still could be from somewhere else, or could have multiple source of inspiration as you wrote.
My problem is the caption for it in the magazine. It is literally says it's from the 19th century, and can't be interpreted as "from a fiction about a 19th century space travel".
Could be a model of some sort (like the other drawing in the pic, the golden dildo is also an object), or a typo, or sloppy research, or just bs. Still gonna try a look around a bit more, or even look up these founding fathers of rocketry.


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I was looking for Boros-Szikszai (Bo-Szi in future reference) works, I'm stuck for now, but I came across something else. I might dump the whole thing.


Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 17:30:11 [Preview] No.36928 del
>>36913

I've tried to find similar image in Google and in some random popular books about rockets - there is none, sadly. Although they were numerous and rarely posted fully on web.

It is interesting because it doesn't resemble any real rocket (or illustrator too freely understood concept of stages), so it is pre-60, I think.

Or he tried to make Tsiolkovsky model as you said, but also somewhat freely. Maybe you are right, it is clearly inspired by him.

But this is not original 19th century drawing, at least it doesn't look like this.


Bernd 05/23/2020 (Sat) 17:45:30 [Preview] No.36929 del
>>36928
>this is not original 19th century drawing, at least it doesn't look like this.
I believe you have a point.
It kinda reminds me of stuff from Heavy Metal.
Maybe if I go on with the topic, look into other issues (I'm hoping to get more than the five), rockets will inevitably come up, so if this might won't be resolved, we could get pointers when this image was drawn and by whom.


Bernd 05/24/2020 (Sun) 06:13:54 [Preview] No.36938 del
I forgot this. Tsiolkovsky's design.


Bernd 05/24/2020 (Sun) 12:46:25 [Preview] No.36940 del
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Let's move on to the 2nd issue, won't mention everything, just a couple of flashes from here and there.
Starts with a lots of Bradbury and about Bradbury, but then it balances out with others. Eventually it's mostly about aliens, first contact and such.
Two articles about life outside Earth, and one about Eurocon 1. But let's spend some time over the two.
The tone is rational. No ancient aliens or Däniken, although they seem to recognize their existence and their place. But the articles is of the view of science and sci-fi literature, and their relation, their contradiction, and yet similarity. They wish to be educational, philosophical and entertaining, no blatant political manipulation. Little materialism, and maybe the wind of the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks.
And what's the answer, is there life somewhere else in the universe? Of course. It's not just probable, but inevitable.
This issue a bit more meaty in the illustration department, but most I can't make a worthwhile screenshot. But even a comic strip got a place in there (wake at down inthe forest, by Frank Frazetta, from Nueve Dimension Spanish SF-magazine, 1971).


Bernd 05/25/2020 (Mon) 05:24:03 [Preview] No.36942 del
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Bernd can post stuff here, other mags, sci-fi, fantasy, pics, vids, maps, artwork from games (genre appropriate), space exploration, etc.


Bernd 05/25/2020 (Mon) 08:52:57 [Preview] No.36945 del
>>36940

>moon phases

Interesting, that upper right phase has some white patches. Printing error or some specific intent?

>last image

Lol

>Bradbury

Bradbury was some kind of cult writer in USSR - a rare situation for modern foreign writers in iron curtain times, when only specific western works were printed. Maybe his anti-war stance was the answer, or just his humanist and pacifist style ("action-styled" fiction was very uncommon for ideological reasons, because in future wars don't exist).

For some reason Sheckley also was very popular, I guess even more than on the west, where there were plenty of other writers (Soviet citizens bought any non-standard book they could find, so every serious foreign thing became a hit).


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>>36942
>Bernd can post stuff here, other mags, sci-fi, fantasy, pics, vids, maps, artwork from games (genre appropriate), space exploration, etc.

Some artwork from old children book about Moon that I've read when I was kid (actually, it was my father's book that he also read when he was kid). Interesting that there were two prints, in 1965 and 1974, and version of 65 (that I had) included some scheme of perspective Apollo mission. Version of 1974 had much more realistic drawings without 60's sci-fi feel (it would be strange to draw some abstract things after 1969), so it is less interesting.

Sadly, I've had no paper book available now, and internet has only 1974 version in large resolution, but there few small images from 1965.


Bernd 05/26/2020 (Tue) 23:03:39 [Preview] No.36990 del
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>>36989

Forgot to mention that this was mostly an educational book, first part about history of Moon and it's exploration, second one about future landing, colonization and even perspective of terraforming.


Bernd 05/28/2020 (Thu) 17:32:03 [Preview] No.37040 del
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>>36945
>Printing error or some specific intent?
Reminds me of cirrostratus, but I've no lilac fart what could that be.
>Bradbury was some kind of cult writer in USSR
In fact the article in #2 about Bradbury's works was written by a Russian, certain Kirill Andrejev (with Hungarian spelling, couldn't find him quickly with ddg so I gave up).
>in future wars don't exist
Another article in there says the narration in sci-fi changed, there were novels and shorts about wars and destruction, I assume the World Wars' resonance (there were alien civilizations depicted in a way that mirrored Nazi Germany and the imperialist Japan), and then it changed, the encounters between humans and aliens turns to peaceful.

>>36989
I fancy those winglets on those rockets.
>2nd pic
They really wanted to represent all kinds of propulsion of vehicles.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nVOaDfGOPGs [Embed]
>>36990
Sounds like a cool book.


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Let's take a look at some tidbits from issue #3.
The illustrations are Verne heavy, despite there's no Verne among the texts. They included a note at the end, these pictures are the original woodcuts (well, the prints) from the books of the French author.

Featured serious topic (I mean not fiction) is about computers and their future. I think all of us has some level of interest in this. So here's some noteworthy points and info they share.
The human brain needs about 25 watt of power to work, the ENIAC needed 150, however "the brain doesn't speak the language of mathematics" (as John Neumann said).
At that time they used 3rd gen computers (over 100 000 pieces all over the world!) and the 4th were on their way.
The author talks about miniaturization, how the following generations of computers got smaller and smaller in about 1:10 ratio. He speculates, that the computers of the future will be even smaller, and the size of building blocks will arrive to the size of neurons.
The size will lower and the necessary power will too. But the tasks we want to use computers for need faster and faster machines - they were capable of doing hundreds of thousands of operations per second, some in labs 1-2 millions and engineers planned machines capable of doing billions - which demands higher power consumption. This will also need more effective cooling, maybe even water cooling, what they thought to be buried with 1st gen computers.


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There was also an experiment with a machine which was actually a system of many machines (64) joined together. So despite the miniaturization, size may grow, and with that energy consumption too.
The growing number of parts means that more parts can fail. In a human brain redundancy is so large, that a death of a cell is not noticeable. But in a human constructed machine the failure has to be noticeable so they can change the part, fix the machine. A great challenge is that how can be constructed a reliably working machine out of unreliable parts?
A second problem they faced back then, is the overcomplication. They had to avoid creating one that too complex to use. So ease of use is one of the points they try to plan along.
For the next 20-25 years the road is paved - says the article written in 1972 - and back then in laboratories those computers or at least their plans which we were going to use in the '90s had already existed, although it's acknowledged that unexpected discoveries might change things.
AI! Right after the birth of computers the guesswork started if we could make a machine think. Enthusiasm was big. Bunch of stuff were taught to computers, from playing chess to translating languages, but these weren't thinking, just executing algorithms. This set back the expectations, they realized, while the brain doesn't speak mathematics, computers only speak that. There were happy accidents, when they tried to translate they realized linguists don't know their languages deep enough. Then computational linguistics was born (the irony: I think that's the proper translation, the text says mathematical linguistics). They realized the key question isn't if the machine thinks, but how the human brain thinks, and the steps can be programmed for machines to follow.
The author says, the use of computers was decided by the realistic needs of the societies, and the future will remain the same. Exceptions will exist, solving theoretical problems, or smaller scale projects of those who dare to dream big, but the use on large scale will be the chief deciding factor. Computers will take off the load from humans, physical or intellectual routine work will be relegated to them, and the man will use his brain what computers cannot do: thinking. We can only wish.


Bernd 06/01/2020 (Mon) 04:15:01 [Preview] No.37092 del
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Pages from The Essential Atlas which presents Star Wars lore in a more KC tier direction.
>>36927
That's trippy, what's the third about?

>>37076
>Computers will take off the load from humans, physical or intellectual routine work will be relegated to them, and the man will use his brain what computers cannot do: thinking.
That's correct, a computer can chew any data through a statistical model, but it is only productive if its user knows which model to use, and setting that aside, how to interpret the result.


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>>37092
What's bby and aby?
Also:
>Bogden
Kek.
>what's the third about?
Not sure. It's Tolkien's work, so probably some elvish stuff.

One day I really should look into this AI stuff. Last time I heard someone serious' opinion (who actually studied this on uni, and this wasn't posted on an imageboard) the thing was: "we mostly know what it won't be, but not really how it will be".
Right now this self teaching algorithms are nice, machine learning and neural networks and such, sure could be used to something well, there's always more porn to make, we'll we step over this? Again, we still living from the heritage of the 70s, everything we do, at least conceptually is the product of those times, nothing new, just more polished. I doubt we even have the time to fart around, civilizations always fall, it is coming for sure, and every sign says we are on crash course.


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>>37094
BY = Battle of Yavin i.e. Star Wars (1977). The timeline goes many thousand years before but only over a century after.


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>>37096
Ah. Thanks.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 18:51:57 [Preview] No.37232 del
Issue #4
Three longish articles, one - right at the very beginning - is from the pen of Asimov. Maybe I read one of them later, the last one about the travel to the moon by Julij Kagarlickij (Юлий Иосифович Кагарлицкий). Considering talks about a new expedition there and then to Mars is in fashion again, and movies, tv-shows are jumping on the topic (seen one just a couple of days ago), I suppose this would be my chief target. If.


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Illustrations are breddy gud, a selection from Western, chiefly American works. They list Virgil Finlay, Dold, Paul, Wesso, Morey, Alejandro, Georges Spiro, Lemy, Hannes Bok among their creators.
A very concise history of American sci-fi illustration is given. In the beginning scantly dressed women are protected by astronauts against monsters big as a house. Then in the '40s the front pages of magazines were decorated with scientifically plausible images, and got pinned onto the walls of labs and observatories. Pop-art left it's impression on them in the '60s, then the '70s discovered Ernst, Dali, Magritte, Labisse, Bosch, Goya, Arcimboldo... By that time the classic sci-fi magazines were real treasures, subjects of collectors, finishing the cycle.


Bernd 06/04/2020 (Thu) 19:01:14 [Preview] No.37234 del
Couple of caricatures were also published in #4.


Bernd 06/05/2020 (Fri) 09:42:59 [Preview] No.37244 del
>>37233
Great stuff



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