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KOHLZINE #12 out Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 19:36:05 [Preview] No. 32375
There was no Kohlzine on October because Casey was hidden.
But now we are back, even more autistic than ever and featuring some illustrations by Russian bernd.

We are waiting for your OC and text (any content, really) submissions on our mail: kohlzine@tfwno.gf
If KC doesn't die by then, lucky #13 will be our ANNIVERSARY issue, so expect lots of quality content(well it depends on your input too, kinda), KC posters, copypastas and more.

Enjoy

t.kohlzinegarchy


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 19:37:13 [Preview] No.32376 del
Nice, thanks.


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 19:43:56 [Preview] No.32377 del
>>32376
Hope some endchan bernds can contribute, when kohl got kill recently many of our contributors dispersed and now are actually staying on Endchan, Ernst and kctier.club.
We have ambition to become a pan-berndist zine.


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 19:49:04 [Preview] No.32378 del
When we're writing substantial posts, we're generally busy writing for the board but maybe some threads (part of threads) could be published in the zine as well.
>We have ambition to become a pan-berndist zine.
Not a bad idea.


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 19:55:49 [Preview] No.32379 del
>pan-berndist zine
I liek the idea too.
> maybe some threads (part of threads) could be published in the zine as well
Exactly my thought, but maybe some would have to be somewhat compressed to fit into a newspaper article size.


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:07:40 [Preview] No.32382 del
>>32379
Yeah, my contribution (the last article) is quite a hefty one. But I really don't think there's any meaningful way for it to be shortened, or split in half...


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:12:12 [Preview] No.32384 del
enjoying reading the pissbottle article rn. great stuff!


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:53:05 [Preview] No.32388 del
>>32377
>We have ambition to become a pan-berndist zine
You'd better drop Kohl in your name beforehand then.


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 20:56:10 [Preview] No.32389 del
Could be Berndzine (liek benzine).


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 21:02:15 [Preview] No.32390 del
reading about cities
but i already know the answer/solution: so called 'red lines' (which existed)

its simple: after you build a city or a new block of it you can't change anything there for n years (or if less strict anything within 'red lines', basically anything whats important)


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 21:02:49 [Preview] No.32391 del
>>32382
fascinating read bernd, i'd not heard of sss before, thank you


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 21:18:14 [Preview] No.32393 del
>>32388
Maybe the anniversary issue will be the good excuse to change it, we had been thinking about it for some time already


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 21:23:43 [Preview] No.32395 del
>>32391
It is a new system – some posts have been written in it before, but that's about it.


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 21:27:03 [Preview] No.32396 del
>>32395
btw didn't you use to be some board operator in the first months after the fall of KC?


Bernd 11/17/2019 (Sun) 21:40:09 [Preview] No.32401 del
>>32396
I was board operator on mewch.net, which was run by a friend of mine.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:15:44 [Preview] No.32483 del
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>>32401
You were a very good and responsive admin. I remember talking to you a few times. I miss Mewch.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:35:26 [Preview] No.32485 del
>>32483
>7420
He has a good point.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:41:00 [Preview] No.32486 del
>>32485
Mega was always fair to me. I suppose some people had issues with him though.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:48:18 [Preview] No.32487 del
>>32486
I dunno, I was just referring to the post which pointed out the difference between nepotism and cronyism.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:48:44 [Preview] No.32488 del
>>32487
I mean pointed out that there's a difference.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:50:51 [Preview] No.32489 del
>>32488
We don't know if they are actually family or not.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 18:53:29 [Preview] No.32490 del
>>32489
It is less likely to run an IB with a family member then with unrelated people so it would had been better to suppose it's cronyism.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 19:04:28 [Preview] No.32491 del
>>32490
Supposing leads to errors. Lots of people suppose all the other users on imageboards are men too but it's a fact that they are wasting potential gf material.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 19:40:09 [Preview] No.32492 del
>>32491
Well that really depends on the circumstances.
Supposing one talks to a grills over the internet (especially on imageboards) could lead even greater err than supposing one talks to men.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 19:41:06 [Preview] No.32493 del
>>32492
That'0s why you don't suppose at all except when you need to.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 19:58:34 [Preview] No.32495 del
>>32493
Nod really. Many conversations are based on suppositions, it's like grease in the cogwheels.


Bernd 11/19/2019 (Tue) 20:10:52 [Preview] No.32497 del
>>32495
He is the new impersonal article. I know many are but you don't really need to do said conversation either so there's that.


Kohlzine #13 OUT Bernd 12/22/2019 (Sun) 22:50:37 [Preview] No.33321 del
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Fellow Bernds, fresh publication straight from oven.

Merry Christmas to all of Endchan


Bernd 12/23/2019 (Mon) 06:20:58 [Preview] No.33335 del
>>33321
Nice article by the recent wage slave. I too feel the pain of having the light on when it's a dark morning. What is this dark orange lamp he speaks of?


Bernd 12/23/2019 (Mon) 07:38:41 [Preview] No.33339 del
>>33321
>straight into the oven

I was interested previously in that city genesis article. But there's always something else to read.
I see Slov wrote too. This time about his experience with the fly agaric. Could be useful.


Bernd 12/23/2019 (Mon) 09:59:04 [Preview] No.33343 del
>>33321
Hmm, I could try writing for this. Don't know much but it seems like a good way to pass the time.


Bernd 12/23/2019 (Mon) 19:46:13 [Preview] No.33353 del
>>33343
What would you write about?


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 00:49:49 [Preview] No.33367 del
>>33353
Guitar Hero and how the autism needed to achieve victory in those games can be easily exportable to real life.


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 13:23:29 [Preview] No.33381 del
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Merry Crimbo to all Bernds. Yes, even you. Sadly our mother will never again grace this rotten world, but she lives on in our memory and our proud name.


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 15:17:42 [Preview] No.33400 del
>>33367
Can it? Would read.


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 15:46:36 [Preview] No.33403 del


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 15:47:48 [Preview] No.33404 del
>>33403
What ball did you expect?


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 18:51:48 [Preview] No.33412 del
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>>33400
Technically, the main thing of Guitar Hero is that it's very basic and all the mistakes could be fixed by trial and error, which is also the third way of learning in real life. You can learn from
>Investigating
>Observation
>Experience
and GH easily replicates the third. It also teaches that perseverance is the key to breaking a wall, and that a lot of time can pass until you manage to score a milestone (ie: beating Raining Blood on expert). This is also married with the fact that by practising each day you get better at something, be it lifting wheights, learning a language, or trying to beat TtFatF. I started lifting going to the gym and being more consistent with me after starting with guitar hero then I dropped the gym since my headphones broke and the music they play is shit three out of five days


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 19:17:01 [Preview] No.33415 del
>>33412
Cool.
How Investigation differs from Observation and Experience?


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 19:41:46 [Preview] No.33416 del
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>>33415
Investigation differs from experience in the sense that one voluntarily researches about a subject, the one who is learning goes out of his way to learn about something. Observation and experience are not necessarily something the subject wanted to go through voluntarily, many things can be learned from seeing people behave, but that knowledge isn't something that the user was actively searching for. Experience is the most basic one, you mess something up, you feel the consequences, so you need to see what you did wrong to avoid it. Can be related to observation but with more primal activities (ie: not touching hot stuff) it becomes something so basic a dog can recognize it.
Though the idea of these kinds of learning processes is something my mother told me and she's quite retarded in some areas, so I should probably take this with a pinch of salt.


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 20:13:42 [Preview] No.33417 del
>>33416
>Though the idea of these kinds of learning processes is something my mother told me and she's quite retarded in some areas, so I should probably take this with a pinch of salt.
Sounds sound to me.
One thing I can't fit in. What we are doing now. Basically learn via getting taught. And in this I see two ways. One: just accepting the package given (like in schools), two: applying criticism and accepting when found solid.
Although this can be applied to the three you described, if only we observe only the student's side. Like a dog is taught to sit, there's a teacher ofc, but the dog learns from Experience, if he does good he gets praised/petted/treat, repeat over and over until it connects the command-sitting-feelinggood together. So it's just the pure learning process.


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 22:35:51 [Preview] No.33420 del
>>33367
Would actually read it ngl

>>33412
Jezz america wtf?


Bernd 12/24/2019 (Tue) 23:14:04 [Preview] No.33422 del
>>33417
>>33417
>One thing I can't fit in. What we are doing now. Basically learn via getting taught. And in this I see two ways. One: just accepting the package given (like in schools), two: applying criticism and accepting when found solid.
That's technically the idea of investigation, you research on a subject and try to comprehend what is happening around it. It can take talking to other people, which in this case both parties are helping each other in the investigation.
But this could be a part of observation as well, since the main difference between one and another is that one is strictly voluntary, while another one happens spontaneously from an event in life.


Bernd 12/30/2019 (Mon) 15:21:43 [Preview] No.33613 del
>>33415
Basically observation and experience are passive while investigations are active, you actively test stuff and observe/experience it in ways you probably normally wouldn't.


Bernd 01/07/2020 (Tue) 18:03:03 [Preview] No.33862 del
Consider submitting something to this issue Bernds.


Bernd 01/07/2020 (Tue) 19:16:19 [Preview] No.33867 del
>>33862
1) What subjects might interest the zine?
2) What's the word count?
3) What format do you want it in?


Bernd 01/07/2020 (Tue) 19:37:26 [Preview] No.33868 del
>>33867
1. serfs
2. potato
3. binary


Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 14:46:35 [Preview] No.33899 del
>>33367
Any progress?


Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 14:48:42 [Preview] No.33900 del
>>33867
Subjects can touch anything, most important is that it should be fun to write for you too, bernds often write about their hobby related subjects, kctier life experience etc, so something they live with.


Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 17:31:25 [Preview] No.33908 del
>>33899
Currently hitchiking through the country, no can do


Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 17:32:42 [Preview] No.33909 del
>>33899
Currently hitchhiking through the country, no can do


Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 17:33:09 [Preview] No.33910 del
If I ended up double posting plz dlt


Bernd 01/09/2020 (Thu) 17:49:56 [Preview] No.33912 del
>>33910
You did but don't sweat it.
Well, whatever you do, be careful and good luck.
...and take photos and post IWO. :^)


Bernd 01/12/2020 (Sun) 14:00:18 [Preview] No.33992 del
>>33900
This is probably not zine worthy at all but it's a first attempt at an article


Bernd 01/14/2020 (Tue) 17:56:09 [Preview] No.34041 del
>>33992
Received, thanks for submission


Bernd 01/15/2020 (Wed) 15:00:08 [Preview] No.34061 del
>>34041
Sorry, I just gave it a proof read and saw 'honestly' should be 'honesty'


Bernd 01/15/2020 (Wed) 23:29:03 [Preview] No.34072 del
>>34061
Kk. Noted


Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 10:45:37 [Preview] No.34310 del
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Happy New Year

New issue is out!


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Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 16:27:26 [Preview] No.34315 del
>>34310
Eh, happy new year I guess.


Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 16:43:02 [Preview] No.34316 del
>>34310
When I try to zoom in, xreader hangs. On the first couple of tries only the program did that, then the whole system too.


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>>34316
What browser do u use?


Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 17:49:37 [Preview] No.34319 del
>>34317
Palemoon. But I just save it to disk and open it with the default pdf viewer, which is Xreader.
I don't think I had this problem before.


Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 18:01:00 [Preview] No.34320 del
Someone seems to like an article by local Endchan Bernd (pic related)


>>34319
Pretty strange tbh. Maybe something in the PDF export, i set it for 144 DPI.


Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 19:25:04 [Preview] No.34322 del
>>34320
>Someone seems to like an article by local Endchan Bernd (pic related)
Good for him. It is nice when others appreciate one's work.

I can read it without zooming, but just feels too goddamn small how it loads by default. Hmm. Maybe Xreader has a setting how to start.


Bernd 01/28/2020 (Tue) 23:03:10 [Preview] No.34325 del
>>34310
I enjoyed reading this new issue.


Bernd 01/29/2020 (Wed) 20:21:20 [Preview] No.34346 del
>>34320
Yay! I'm a published author! Thank you. Have been so busy lately but this issue looks really good, looking forward to reading it.


Bernd 01/29/2020 (Wed) 20:22:28 [Preview] No.34347 del
>>34346
Congrats.


Bernd 01/29/2020 (Wed) 20:26:55 [Preview] No.34349 del
>>34347
Cheers. I really wasn't sure it was zine worthy but it made it in, maybe they scraped for submissions, hah. I will hopefully be having some good content for the blogpost thread soon.


Bernd 01/29/2020 (Wed) 20:42:38 [Preview] No.34351 del
>>34349
I'm waiting curiously.


Bernd 02/19/2020 (Wed) 10:30:14 [Preview] No.34497 del
If meantime you had written any new texts feel free to send us


##KOHLZINE #15 OUT## Bernd 03/13/2020 (Fri) 15:17:03 [Preview] No.35121 del
Sincere condolences to friends and family of Bible Tex who passed away in late January. Rest in peace.


Bernd 03/13/2020 (Fri) 15:46:41 [Preview] No.35123 del
>>35121
Oh. New Kohlzine.
RIP.


Bernd 03/13/2020 (Fri) 18:57:23 [Preview] No.35126 del
>>35121
Great read. I enjoyed the one about Gorona.


Bernd 03/20/2020 (Fri) 06:53:36 [Preview] No.35317 del
>>35123
>>35126
We are preparing a quarantine edition so if you happen to have some free time consider contributing.
The general subject is isolation, it can be about books reccomendations for the quarantine, about how to cope with it, your own personal experiences and so on and so on.


Bernd 03/20/2020 (Fri) 07:03:06 [Preview] No.35319 del
>>35317
Oh nice. Would Bernd be interested in a food growing and preserving/storing article?


Bernd 03/21/2020 (Sat) 15:14:42 [Preview] No.35348 del
>>35319
Yes! Many bernds escaped to countryside those days, it be both interesting read and something usefull.


Bernd 03/25/2020 (Wed) 10:45:25 [Preview] No.35414 del
>>35348
Sorry this took so long, I have been really busy.
Feel free to change what you like.


Bernd 03/25/2020 (Wed) 12:02:53 [Preview] No.35416 del
>I fasten my ammunition belt and tighten my jacket.
One last moment I stay on the boulder. My eyes are
soaking in the magnificent view one last time, like a
starving man who’s only life essence is the deep red
of the sky
*whose

I liked it though


Bernd 03/25/2020 (Wed) 20:41:48 [Preview] No.35424 del
>>35414
Received.
Should we credit you as a Britball? Sometime endchan mis-assigns the countryballs, that's why im asking.


Bernd 03/25/2020 (Wed) 21:05:57 [Preview] No.35427 del
>>35424
Yes, britball is correct. Thank you.


Bernd 03/25/2020 (Wed) 21:57:16 [Preview] No.35430 del
>>35414
Read that. Found useful info. Well rounded and simple, only needs tips on how to preserve the fruits of labour.


Bernd 03/26/2020 (Thu) 04:39:51 [Preview] No.35437 del
>>35414
Looks pretty good as it is


Bernd 03/26/2020 (Thu) 06:16:47 [Preview] No.35438 del
>>35430
Yes, I ended up keeping the article much simpler so as not to scare beginners. I feel food preservation needs a separate article of its own tbh.


Bernd 03/26/2020 (Thu) 07:01:44 [Preview] No.35442 del
>>35438
>>35424
I thought about it, maybe this is a little better.
Sentence begins the same.
>Carrots and potatoes store perfectly well in a cool dark place. Remove any damaged and be sure to dry them and remove any leaves before storing. Legumes can be dried on a sunny window sill and stored in a closed container.


Bernd 04/09/2020 (Thu) 16:24:55 [Preview] No.35760 del
Soon going soon


Bernd 04/09/2020 (Thu) 17:27:12 [Preview] No.35766 del


Bernd 04/10/2020 (Fri) 04:00:24 [Preview] No.35789 del
>>35760
They really outdid themselves with the cover this time. Looks really good


Bernd 04/12/2020 (Sun) 22:29:28 [Preview] No.35879 del
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Here we are. Issue #16 is out
Enjoy.


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Bernd 04/12/2020 (Sun) 22:50:17 [Preview] No.35882 del
>>35879
god bless ye anon
redpill me on kohlzine


Bernd 04/13/2020 (Mon) 07:28:06 [Preview] No.35883 del
>>35879
I love it, the workout article is especially nice!

There was a little clipping of some words in the growers guide but nothing too bad.

Well done all 'round.


Bernd 04/13/2020 (Mon) 08:27:24 [Preview] No.35884 del
>>35879
Gonna check it out.


Bernd 04/13/2020 (Mon) 13:39:10 [Preview] No.35891 del
>>35879
Okay. So.
That lockdown workout is mostly good as a joke. Or rather the illustrations are. They are inadequate to follow, and one might risk injury doing that stuff improperly. Ofc we can look up on the nets these exercises in detail, but still.


Bernd 04/13/2020 (Mon) 16:50:14 [Preview] No.35895 del
>>35891
lol, just noticed, it says to do sprinter lunges FOLLOWED by plyometric sprinter lunges, fucking mad man, the guys legs must be shredded!

As for injury, a little stretching before and after would be smart but I doubt bernd will be doing a very intense workout anyway.


Bernd 04/13/2020 (Mon) 18:54:36 [Preview] No.35896 del
>>35895
>I doubt bernd will be doing a very intense workout anyway.
Yeah, probably Bernd is safe.


Bernd 04/14/2020 (Tue) 07:07:37 [Preview] No.35909 del
>>35891
Its actually a real routine taken from some yt channel, thing is that you dont need to perform it all perfectly, you will gradually get better and better, make rest times shorter. Im now doing it 30s each exercise and its doable after some warm up.


Bernd 04/14/2020 (Tue) 13:57:02 [Preview] No.35911 del
>>35909
>real routine
I thought so, but anyone who wish to follow that will have a problem. Those illustrations very inadequate to show what's going on with the exercises.
>after some warm up
Yeah, but the table doesn't says that anywhere.
You can bet your top hat on that many would try and follow it without thinking they'd need warm up, many would fuck up the simplest of exercises, many would hurt themselves by doing it wrong. It's a law of nature. If the stuff isn't presented in idiotproof way, they will fuck it up (even after that to be honest, but then the author could just wash his hands, he tried everything).


Bernd 05/02/2020 (Sat) 02:57:11 [Preview] No.36430 del
Taking submissions for new issue btw.


Bernd 05/02/2020 (Sat) 09:00:27 [Preview] No.36446 del
>>36430
Bernds, I want to write a short story but I am having a little writers block. I have the beginning and the end but I'm struggling to make the in between with gravitas and comedy. Here is the beginning, tell me what Bernd should do next? What would you enjoy?

A cold dim night in late Spring, Bernd sits alone in the glare of his screen pondering life and its' many shades of boredom and dissapointment. Still sucking his tastless meal from between his teeth, his pale thin wrist and palm supporting his tired head under his weak chin. Scrolling past the image of an attractive woman he feels a sense of longing but no titilation, not anymore. The simple teenage joy of a coom, long since enjoyable due to the following moments of sobriety that remind him he is forever alone. And so our story begins with a simple innocuous post, a plea for attention perhaps or maybe misery in need of company.
>what's the best way to commit suicide? painless if possible.
>picture of sad clown related. It's me.
BANG, BANG, BANG! Three loud knocks come from his bedroom door. Panicked thoughts race through his mind, everything illegal he has ever done, that time he was bare IP whilst browing /b, the time he tried to buy drugs on Tor or perhaps simply using sites full of illegal opinions had put him on some sort of list. The moment passed and he removed his headphones. Perhaps it was all an electronic prank. Bernd turned to face the door. For what must have only been a second or two but felt longer, he waited, gripped with panic, thinking of everything he should be doing as he sat there idle as ever. The door opened in a confident calm manner and a well groomed man stepped in.
"I have what you seek, Bernd." He said.
His relaxed manner seemed to put Bernd more at ease than before, despite him being a stranger. Though Bernd remained silent.
"I wasn't expecting your head to be quite that size but we shall make do."
As he apprached, bag in hand, Bernd raised a weak hand almost defensively which was brushed aside the way a mother might shift the arm of a baby to dress it. The bag was placed on Bernds' lap unzipped. Bernd had hoped remaining silent, ignored the man might leave him alone. Without any forethought, Bernd muttered.
"What's that?"
"Something not offered to just anyone."
A dark open faced helmet was produced and thrust immediately down over Bernds' head. Again, Bernd attempted to raise his arms and sink in his chair emitting a whisper to the sum of 'no.' The man in a powerful confidence, with calm smiling face in the screen glare had placed the helmet with complete ease and while Bernd was aware of no chin strap he began to feel a tight discomfort. Bernd immediately attempted to remove the helmet.
"Struggling will only increase discomfort. Just let it settle whilst is adheres to your' head."
Bernd now began to panic like a fly being closed in a venus fly trap and lashed out with his words in an attempt to defend himself, though not risking physical confrontation against his still unknown, potentially armed, assailant.
"Fuck off! The fuck is this!?"
The man now headed toward the door.
"It's what you asked for Bernd. In 1 hour, the claymore helmet will cause your head to instantly and painlessly implode."
With that, the door shut behind him and Bernd was once again alone with no idication anyone had been there other than the slight extra weight he now felt on his head and reduced sound to his ears.


Bernd 05/02/2020 (Sat) 10:32:42 [Preview] No.36448 del
>>36446
>>what's the best way to commit suicide? painless if possible.
I've seen that thread a couple of times. Kek.


Bernd 05/12/2020 (Tue) 12:47:19 [Preview] No.36694 del
I've sent mine.


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>>36446
Соuldn't recommend anything and don't know what I want to see, so I just provide some variants:

1) Stereotypical #1
These events provide Bernd with energy of life, he understands that he doesn't really want to die. So, he struggles to find the way to remove the helmet, and story goes into action-oriented way. Depending on author's desire, it may be contemporary action with involvement of special services, secret societies and conspiracies, or mystical/fantasy story with templars or dragons, whatever. Ending may be good or bad depending by mood of the story.

2) Stereotypical #2
Undertanding that it is the end, Bernd spends last hour of his life as he want, struggling with moral and ethical questions. Maybe he tries to finish his work and say farewell to everyone he knows, maybe he just thinks about life and it's meaning, maybe he continues to be imageboard dweller to the end, or tries to find god in his life. In the end he dies.

3) Modern literature of "the West"
Choose any from 1 and 2 but add that Bernd is the refugee tranny. In the end of the story, reader must understand the evilness of patriarchy, oppression, oil industry and common sense. Will this story receive the award?

4) Absurd
"Claymore? Helmet? Hah!". Bernd transforms into mighty knight with claymore sword and black helmet. Story ends in Monty Python sketch about Black Knight, when he stands without arms and legs but still thinks that he won, and sings song to the reader.

5) Plain postmodern
Suddenly everything changes, and Bernd jumps through different environments, from short movies to historical settings. He slowly understands that he is a character in author's postings, and all known universe for him is just an imageboard, he doesn't have nor own personality, nor free will, and his thoughts exist only in mind of imageboard readers. In the end he questions do he really has own thoughts, do intelligence and soul exists, and confronts the author with these questions.

6) Complex postmodern
Starts as the 5, but chain of events shows that author is also not a real person, but a imaginary character that is written by another person who discusses author's short story on this imageboard. But is that person real too? In the end it is obvious that there is no difference between imaginary and real characters, no one have real consciousness, and everyone are just collection of patterns in waves of light. Light also exist only in minds of these characters, so everything isn't real, because reality doesn't exist, and term "existing" is also exist only in minds of nonexistent characters.


Bernd 05/13/2020 (Wed) 13:51:44 [Preview] No.36705 del
>>36700
These are solid ideas.
Bel Air can be made out of the Absurd.


Bernd 05/15/2020 (Fri) 14:41:31 [Preview] No.36745 del
>>36694
Received, thanks.


Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 10:49:44 [Preview] No.36863 del
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>>36694
Can i rephrase you mail to use as an introduction for the article? Beggining takes off very quickly.

It would be something like that:

>This is a text written on a controversial topic, that of the potential but unrealized arms industry output Germany could have achieved in the first years of the second World War. A common view is that it was large and could have been accessed if only the German leadership hadn’t mismanaged the economic war effort. I take it as a thesis and present an antithesis using informations from Adam Tooze’s book Wages of Destruction as my only source; it’s a summary of the book’s information on this topic.


Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 14:26:14 [Preview] No.36864 del
>>36863
Sure.
You can replace the Wagenfuehr index with this nicer-looking version; caption it "General performance of the late German war economy: Rolf Wagenführ's Armaments production index, Total Arms, and three-month growth averages". I've got two more figures you can use.
The first you can caption "Arming for Barbarossa: % absolute (red) and per capita (blue) increase in equipment numbers, June 1941 over May 1940". It's in Wages of Destruction, appendix, table A4, p. 684-5, with the sources given as: Kroener, in DRZW 5/1. 731, 836, 834, 959; Mueller, in DRZW 5/1. 554-5.
The second, "The influx of labor into the German war economy". It's from United States Strategic Bombing Survey, The effects of strategic bombing on the German war economy (Washington, DC, 1945), 202, 204, 206, 210 (appendix tables 1, 3, 5, and 9), found in: Mark Harrison (ed.) , The economics of World War II: Six great powers in international comparison (Cambridge, 1998), p. 161.

Neither are particularly important but the first demonstrates how the Heer became not only larger but also better-armed over the France-Barbarossa period.
The title is KC but seems to cover this topic broadly, to emphasize it's about underperformance I'd rename it "The Industrial Output of IIIrd Reich in WWII: Too low?"


Bernd 05/20/2020 (Wed) 17:32:47 [Preview] No.36865 del
>>36864
>"The Industrial Output of IIIrd Reich in WWII: Too low?"
Has a nice ring to it.


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 11:12:10 [Preview] No.36895 del
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>>36864
Ultimately i switched the order of the initial paragraphs, what do you think?


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 11:17:58 [Preview] No.36896 del
>>36895
Also put the paragraph about resources into the beggining of rationalisation part. I hope you don't mind.

Late rationalization
<Germany entered the war without the resources to satisfy its military production targets, and arms output did not really take off until February 1940, from which it rose until July and stabilized. In ’42 it entered an exponential growth, the classic phase of the ”Speer miracle”, until the middle of 1943, followed by much slower growth (stagnation in some sectors), a final burst in the first half of 1944 and a slide into oblivion (figure A).

>The paper trail shows bureaucratic infighting through the France-Barbarossa interval, with economic institutions accusing each other of incompetence. This corroborates older data on production and workforce which shows the former not catching up with the latter’s growth, suggesting a decline in productivity. The concluding picture is of early war Germany “squandering its armaments advantage” through ”egotism and incompetence”. But to truly grasp war production in anticipation for Barbarossa it is necessary to know what were its ends and whether it achieved them.


Bernd 05/22/2020 (Fri) 13:48:31 [Preview] No.36897 del
>>36896
The orange paragraph is better placed within the beginning, to leave it clear the late war - early war contrast I'm talking about, the two late periods of exponential growth versus the France-Barbarossa stabilization and the early Poland-France delay.
There's an unnecessary comma in
>but mainly for the decision , to ditch quality for quantity and focus on proven old designs.


Bernd 05/28/2020 (Thu) 02:35:58 [Preview] No.37032 del
so is the kohlzine a project particular to endchan, did it start on kohl and migrate out? or is it a pan /kc/ endeavor for the dissemination of serious discussion and the cultural enrichment of all


Bernd 05/28/2020 (Thu) 15:46:49 [Preview] No.37039 del
>>37032
Started on Kohl.


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>>37039
thx bb (' 3 ')


Bernd 05/29/2020 (Fri) 09:35:14 [Preview] No.37054 del
>>36897
Ook, noted.

>>37032
Started on kohl but we tried to gather people from all over Bernd-sphere to contribute. Sadly the choice of the name make some communities like Endchan hostile to our cause, so it's hindering the progress a bit.

We thought about some non-IB related name but the fear is that too much distancing from the biggest place where bernds congregate would slowly drift us apart totally into weird twitter, far away from real Berndom.


Bernd 05/29/2020 (Fri) 16:46:06 [Preview] No.37057 del
>>37045
End/kc has too few people to make such thing, we would have to decide between posting and writing/editing the zine.
>bb
Creepy.

>>37054
>some communities like Endchan hostile to our cause
Ernst.


Bernd 05/29/2020 (Fri) 17:01:47 [Preview] No.37058 del
>>37057
Yes of course, Ernstchan xD
Endchan is love.

For the next issues i think i will post WIPs here, kohl is way too fast to have a working thread and you guys could offer very good feedback.


Bernd 05/29/2020 (Fri) 20:39:36 [Preview] No.37061 del
>>37057
>>37058
Well I feel it's because Ernst just doesn't want anything to do with kohl, like at all. We get a little bit of "guilt by association" by having kohlzine in their eyes I think.

I mean, they've had their issues in the past tbh


Bernd 05/30/2020 (Sat) 07:50:39 [Preview] No.37066 del
>>37061
Yeah, a bunch of fags shat on their board, it left it's mark. They don't mind posters who keep their customs. One can fit in seamlessly with little effort. There's a reason for "lurk moar", if someone goes to a community and shit on their ways, he won't be liked by them.


Bernd 05/30/2020 (Sat) 11:47:32 [Preview] No.37068 del
>>37066
Im all for gatekeeping and protecting the community from low effort trolling but some of them had turned hate of kohl into a part of their identity.
Which is funny because most kohlposters seem to despise what kohl is too.


Bernd 05/30/2020 (Sat) 19:56:55 [Preview] No.37074 del
>>37066
>>37066
haha do you remember when kohl went down a year ago and they were planning on doing a mass exodus do Ernst?

Shit was too funny. Does anyone have that screenshot where a ernst poster just goes ballistic and tells kohl negers that they are NOT welcome in the site?

>>37068
>Which is funny because most kohlposters seem to despise what kohl is too.

It's turned into 4chan in less than a year of it's existence. I don't think anybody likes that board at this point


Bernd 05/31/2020 (Sun) 08:25:53 [Preview] No.37078 del
>>37068
Ernsts are going a bit overboard with this. I understand them, but I would do it otherwise.

>>37074
There are a few places they could go when Kohl is down. Now they have a /kohl/ here which would suit their needs. I dunno how many of them knows about it tho. I saw just a very few posts on 8/kohl.
Well lot of them 4chan crossposters without much coverage from other IBs. I suspect they could be divided into three groups: 1. kohl exclusives; 2. altchan crossposters; 3. kohl-4 crossposters. My suspicion is that the third is the biggest group by far.


Bernd 05/31/2020 (Sun) 22:16:38 [Preview] No.37087 del
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Issue 17 is out.


-Travel column, where a brit ball visits the land of the Turk and describes their savagery.
-"Extortion industry" or how paying money for videogames is for cucks.
-"The Industrial Output Of IIIrd Reich During WWII", we already talked about Turks at the beginning.
-Pottery
-"Ethnical and phenotypical composition on the Peru", a anthropological and physiognomic analysis of the different racial nightmares than inhabit Peru.
-"A proper romanization for Proto-Indo-European"; two bernds explore the intersection of autism, racial larping and linguistics.

As always, if you want to contribute you can check out the last page of the zine where you will find the contact info and the article guidelines.


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Bernd 06/01/2020 (Mon) 19:34:59 [Preview] No.37105 del
>>37087
I just wanted to interject on this post because I had an opinion about the "Extortion industry" article in the recent kohlzine.

Mainly that it makes no sense in my eyes. Videogames up to this point are like businesses, especially AAA games. They're made to make money, not give things away for free. Piracy is pretty much someone stealing the crops that took you a year to cultivate and were planning to sell at the market soon and giving to people in the market. Even if something is illegally and freely available, it doesn't make it right to take it without permission.

During the development process, they hire a multitude of people to work on a single videogame, with the average videogame costing around $50 million to develop, release, advertise and manage digitally as well as physically for selling. It's an extensively exhausting and incredibly time consuming process which last from years at times, sometimes even a decade. Final Fantasy 14 is a good example. Teams of up to 20-100 people are hired just for a normal and regular game to be made

Most of the time, they get funding from investors or from their own company bank idk how they call it. You can see relevant data for all of these in the following articles I will post below

https://www.cgspectrum.com/blog/game-development-process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_development

https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/23/the-cost-of-games/

https://vironit.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-video-game/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_development

How are they supposed to pay their employees, advertisers, testers, debuggers, artists, programmers, investors, etc, for all the effort they put in? Donations? Like $1 dollar each? Good luck paying the salary of even one 60,000 euros a year junior concept artist with that.


Bernd 06/01/2020 (Mon) 19:39:11 [Preview] No.37106 del
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>>37105
The other point I wanted to raise is the title of the article. Nobody's forcing you to play the games at any time.

And they're not even that expensive. They're around 50-70 dollars. Sometimes they're on sale for 25%-50% less than their regular selling price after a year or two. Even if you work at a burger place you can afford to pay that idk things are a little tough for some people right now, but still


Bernd 06/01/2020 (Mon) 21:05:13 [Preview] No.37109 del
>>37105
>>37106
I'm not in the place to argue for the author's point, but he says that information (intellectual products) has no value on market basis. There is a finite demand for a video game, but it can be supplied "infinitely" with very low cost (making copies is just the electricity basically).


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 06:50:02 [Preview] No.37115 del
>>37106
Think of the books, their pricing is justified mostly by the costs of publishing, printing, typeseting etc but kept the lowest possible to make people want to buy them at all, author gets small fraction of the price but thanks to numbers of the copies he may still become rich if its a bestseller.
Additional value is added by hardcover, color illustrations etc, so all the things that are a result of the physical distribution mode. This is to offset the possible loses caused by the lack of sales, this is the risk the publisher makes, of course the more books gets printed the better because it lowers the costs of the production ber book but what do with the warehouses of books nobody bought?

Like Hungarian above said, game publishers today dont risk anything like that, their number of copies is infinite and can reach every place on earth with the internet.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 07:05:13 [Preview] No.37116 del
>They're around 50-70 dollars.

so thats like a month's salary for most of the world
this is why they never sell original NES games in third world countries, because nobody will be able to buy it*

*except few elite shops in the capital maybe that nobody will visit anyway


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 07:25:11 [Preview] No.37117 del
>>37115
>>37115
The fact that publishers don't even try to lower the prices to increase to amount of sold games imho is telling they they still are making dirty profit of braindead consoomers. Piracy at least forced the publishers to add some value to their physical products. Now the only added "value" is the marketing.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 15:46:57 [Preview] No.37120 del
>>37115
I also can do with a book whatever I want. Although I can't rewrite them.

But today books can have electronic copies, which also makes them reproduce on negligible cost. We can abstract that information has no value at all. Funnily enough coz information can be vital, invaluable.
Was Aristotle payed for the information he had when the taught Alexander, or for the teaching? What if, someone else couldn't come up with all that knowledge, but would have been a better teacher after learning it?


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 16:51:14 [Preview] No.37121 del
>>37120
>But today books can have electronic copies, which also makes them reproduce on negligible cost.

Yet the pricing is often very similar to the pricing of the physical books. And they continue being expensive way after author's death. There literally is no excuse.
Which is why i tend to pirate e-books whenever it is possible.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 16:58:45 [Preview] No.37122 del
>>37121
>>37120
Aristotle, like other teachers was being paid for storage of the information and being able to parse it, explain it, connect it with other ideas etc. He was also paid for being there in standby, for his presence.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 17:36:50 [Preview] No.37123 del
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>>37117
>>37115

Well I'm not talking about shitty game devs that sell on disc content as DLC or people that do similarly scummy things. Fuck them tbh

I'm talking about passionate game developers and artists not getting any compensation for their hard earned work.

For example, Owlboy is an indie pixel platformer game that took a literal decade to be finished. I'd at least like to give the devs something substantial for doing so much work.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 17:50:21 [Preview] No.37124 del
Soo can I respond to the article creator or kohlzine somehow?

>>37120
>Was Aristotle payed for the information he had when the taught Alexander, or for the teaching?

He actually was tbh. Philip II of Macedon hired him to be a personal tutor for Alexander the Great. He also taught other future Greek commanders

>In the end, Philip chose Aristotle and provided the Temple of the Nymphs at Mieza as a classroom. In return for teaching Alexander, Philip agreed to rebuild Aristotle's hometown of Stageira, which Philip had razed, and to repopulate it by buying and freeing the ex-citizens who were slaves, or pardoning those who were in exile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great#Education

Aristotle was taught in the Platonic academy, which lasted until the Roman invasion of Athens by Roman general Sulla. You can't keep a school open for almost 300 years without paying people something to keep it up and running tbh fam


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 18:10:40 [Preview] No.37126 del
>>37124
>Soo can I respond to the article creator or kohlzine somehow?
Im from kohlzine, can try to forward the information if you want.
There is also another guy writing response for the article, maybe you can exchange ideas to build up your positions.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 18:11:53 [Preview] No.37127 del
>>37120
I've talked before about how Aristotle's family were some of the richest merchants in the world, (along with Swebernd), so when he tutored Alexander, it wasn't for money, it was because he was a rich, famous man with connections and likely didn't need to be paid at all.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 18:57:29 [Preview] No.37128 del
>>37127
Rich people don't do anything for free. Maybe he didn't get a wage, but he was compensated. The article linked here >>37124 says his hometown was rebuilt and repopulated in return.
But my question was what for? The info, the intellectual product he gave, or the work, the tutoring he did.

>>37124
Well it seems, it wasn't the info, but the teaching.
>You can't keep a school open for almost 300 years without paying people something to keep it up and running tbh fam
Yes, but they could teach literal bullcrap (part of it sure was) or pure gold, no difference. They were paid for the act of giving and not for the substance.

>>37122
Yes it seems.
Further we can conclude that information in itself, has no value.

>>37123
Ofc course they deserve compensation, but the point was of the article that the scheme - "selling" the games - is the wrong way to do it, because you don't pay for something that has no value, but you pay because otherwise you can be arrested or sued, or both... basically it's an extortion.


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 19:03:49 [Preview] No.37130 del
>>37123
>I'm talking about passionate game developers and artists not getting any compensation for their hard earned work.

im pretty sure this will never happen
even original fallout games were considered [financial] failures by their own companies (not authors) since day one, and hardly even payed back

literally happens every day btw, capitalist/monetarist model just isn't good for art
its because of this we are now in dark ages of gaming, because you cannot create both good and profitable
some people won't even sell their games at all (like iji author), then again if iji was in steam he'd sold 10 copies lol


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 22:51:35 [Preview] No.37135 del
>>37126
Oghey, I guess I had some kc tires inspiration when I made those posts. I guess I could make a rebuttal article

Was not expecting a kohlzine manager here though. :---DDD Please give me some time

>>37128
>Ofc course they deserve compensation, but the point was of the article that the scheme - "selling" the games - is the wrong way to do it, because you don't pay for something that has no value, but you pay because otherwise you can be arrested or sued, or both... basically it's an extortion.

Interesting

>Yes, but they could teach literal bullcrap (part of it sure was) or pure gold, no difference.

true

>But my question was what for? The info, the intellectual product he gave, or the work, the tutoring he did.

Really makes you think

>Further we can conclude that information in itself, has no value.

Maybe nothing has value until we the value in it. A slab of rock has no value until a scultor chisels into it and creates a masterpiece with it

Lots of serious discussions itt


Bernd 06/02/2020 (Tue) 22:57:15 [Preview] No.37136 del
>>37135
>Maybe nothing has value until we the value in it. A slab of rock has no value until a scultor chisels into it and creates a masterpiece with it
Well the value of this slab would depend on skill of the craftsman, rarity of the rock and its durability.
It will be different if its a hardened clay or the sandstone.
In the game industry there is this strange attitutde that demands money because of muh work regardless of the quality of the product, in fact people often are forced to pay for unfinished products.


Bernd 06/03/2020 (Wed) 06:07:14 [Preview] No.37140 del
>>37135
Well, value - or maybe worth - ofc a relative thing, frequently subjective, and couple of types of values exist. Something can have value for you but not for me. And price is also a different thing, while it's related. He >>37136 also gives good examples of stuff makes value relative.
A slab of rock in your example can have value if there's a demand for it.
Marx describes objective value, he says there's a - let's call it - "common denominator", which can help to determine the value of things objectively, and it's work.
For example diamond has more value than iron, since X amount of diamond to produce is more work than produce the same amount of iron (let's stay at uncut diamond, and iron ore, with the same amount of mining you get less diamond than iron, so the work divided per unit of diamond is more than in the case of per unit of iron).
And you can use it this to everything, a hammer consists of the head and the handle. Both needs to be made. Tree have to be felled, cut, handle shaped, it's all work. The ore has to be mined, made it into iron, then steel, then the bar have to be shaped into a hammer head, it's all work. But the tools which helps to making it, those also contain the work there were made. And the craftsmen knowledge, the learning process is also work.
So everything can be translated into work.
For example someone wants that slab of rock, just plain, no chiseling or sculpting. But to give it to him I have to move that thing and that's work.

The problem of intellectual products is, that how do I measure the work needed? Let's stay at philosophy for an example. One can come up with an ingenious idea effortlessly in the strike of a moment, other have to think hard for a lifetime for something else. Both really is a good thought, will the former worth less because there's less work behind it?


Bernd 06/03/2020 (Wed) 10:19:00 [Preview] No.37143 del
>>37136
>In the game industry there is this strange attitutde that demands money because of muh work regardless of the quality of the product

This reminds me of real socialism here.
In Poland we had a saying about working in commie job:
"czy się stoi, czy się leży 2 tysiące się należy" - whether you stand or are lying on the ground you are entitled to full pay

But who other than big corporations with lots of capital and investors can afford that? This model is very succesfull in creating oligopolies and fucking over small game devs.


Bernd 06/03/2020 (Wed) 19:15:36 [Preview] No.37171 del
>>37140
>And the craftsmen knowledge, the learning process is also work.
And like philosophy, the same knowledge which adds the same value can come from 5 years of an engineer's studies or 20 years of a construction worker's experience. Arguably the engineer got it from others' work, his professors and a body of literature, but the total work in producing the engineer's knowledge is still quantitatively and qualitatively different from the same knowledge in the construction worker's case.


Bernd 06/03/2020 (Wed) 22:04:47 [Preview] No.37201 del
>>37171
if that was true we'd have only tanks and f16s left in any army of the world by now


they actually tried to do that at some point, likely this never worked though


Bernd 06/16/2020 (Tue) 19:16:29 [Preview] No.37891 del
We are changing mail for this issues submissions:

kohlzine@protonmail.com

Cock had nice domain name (tfwno.gf) but often crashed, and recently for almost a week we were unable to access the mail


Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 11:19:19 [Preview] No.38041 del
So im making a briefing to Libyan war infographic and wrote a short introduction based on what ive read, especially the Fragmentation of Libya pdf present in this thread.

Could you check it for meritoric errors and too ambigous turns of phrase, mischaracterisations etc?

The break-up of Libya after the sucessfull deposing of Gaddafi was a multidimensional process which, due to the large number of actors, cannot be understood without going into details about social, political and economic structure of Libya.
Since the purpose of this text is to merely introduce laymen to the situationpls refer to the excellent work by Wolfram Lacher for first hand accounts and detailed description: Libya’s Fragmentation, Structure and Process in Violent Conflict (2020).
However, the genesis of the Second Libyan Civil War should be briefly sketched out, as fundamental to the understanding of the events unfolding as we speak:

After the victory of the revolution in 2011, there were quite a few powerful militia left on the battlefield and the lack of political will or power to dissolve them. Instead, after the Libyan accounts in European banks became available to the new government , the distribution of the spoils began. Paramilitary and tribal groups were paid from the budget and grew without political control over them, some taking control of the oil fields as their security forces. All attempts to disarm them or incorporate to new army failed. There were sieges of state institutions in order to pay the militia's wages and kidnapping of political opponent.


Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 11:19:56 [Preview] No.38042 del
>>38041
Part 2:


The GNC (General National Council) government (loose alliance of moderate islamists and revolutionary leaders formed in surprisingly democratic elections) was basically held hostage by militias from Tripoli and nearby Misrata, while the east of the country was left to its own devices. Murders of people connected with the former regime, not only soldiers and security apparatus members but also journalists and writers were a daily reality in Benghazi. Not only did the government turn a blind eye on this, but in May 2013, it imposed legislation that completely excluded people with positions in Gaddafi's state apparatus from power, which struck not only loyalists but also people who had switched sides joining during the civil war as well as some of the expat opposition. This bill was forced by the pressure of local militias.

General Khalifa Haftar, was a Libyan officer taken prisoner during Gadaffi's war with Chad. After his release, he spent years abroad in opposition circles before returning to join the revolutionary army in 2011. When the GNC extended own mandate in January 2014 to the interim period till next elections, act seen as unlawfull by many, Haftar called for its dissolution, which met with mockery. But just a few months later, supported financially by Egypt and the UAE and recruiting among disgruntled officers and people who lost on the transformation, he organized "Operation Dignity" to contain the situation in Benghazi, eliminating islamists, promising stability and an end to the lawlessness. This lead to fears in the revolutionary camp that Egyptian scenario (the counterrevolutionary takeover by army) may repeat itself in Libya.

The results of the May 25th election were devastating for Islamists and gave a lot of seats to people with anti-Islamic views. This prompted some local militias to open operation "Libyan Dawn" and banish the new government from Tripoli. The operation led to the takeover of the city's International Airport, antagonizing its former "owners". - brigades from nearby Zintan, which were very influential in the city in previous years (their areas are visible on maps as a red enclave under Tripoli). The new government (HoR) moved to Tobruk, and many forces previously skeptical of Haftar, like the Zintan brigades mentioned above, were forced to form an alliance with him.

How did this local war turn into a proxy conflict of the several regional powers? Who benefits? Apart from the obvious issue of hydrocarbon control there are several layers of geopolitical and ideological struggle happening there, following infographic will try to break them down nation by nation and will describe the major internal divisions in Libyan factions:


Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 16:29:16 [Preview] No.38043 del
>>38041
>the Fragmentation of Libya pdf present in this thread.
You mean the Syria thread.
Why is it Libya and Syria and not Lybia and Sirya?
I think it would deserve an article as well how to spell Gaddafi's name.


Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 19:37:10 [Preview] No.38047 del
>>38043
For the same reasons "Rumania" is now "Romania". Foreign words don't transliterate well into Germanic languages because they're not fully phonetic, so they change all the time.


Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 20:17:16 [Preview] No.38048 del
>>38042
>surprisingly democratic elections
Libya's political system was very decentralized, the general populace voted maybe in every question, it was a very direct if not the most direct almost democracy of our age. Except - supposedly - it was build up in a way that Gaddafi's will could prevail I can't really judge, people, journalist, political analysts, and the like from liberal democracies naturally will say that hurr durr the whole thing was sham, Gaddafi evil dictator, poor oppressed people. But it's sure the people had some training how to do this.

>>38047
And how about vidya?


Bernd 06/23/2020 (Tue) 21:13:11 [Preview] No.38050 del
>>38048
>vidya
That'd be Vidia in Spicish, and Telien in German.


Bernd 06/24/2020 (Wed) 07:17:15 [Preview] No.38055 del
>>38043
Haftar is also spelled differently depending on the origin of the writer of the writer, i noticed turkish journalists writing in english call him Hiftar


Bernd 06/24/2020 (Wed) 08:43:20 [Preview] No.38056 del
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>>38048
Do you know anything about France - UAE alliance?
Their relations seem pretty strong and to go beyond just the arms trade.


Bernd 06/24/2020 (Wed) 16:27:27 [Preview] No.38059 del
>>38056
No, sorry.
I would search something like "international/foreign relations of France". Looking at such might give a context on her relation to UAE too.



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