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wetter threda Bernd 09/05/2017 (Tue) 16:39:44 [Preview] No. 9926 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
anyone else following weather and shit?

current proceedings: Irma is now cat 5, expected to trail just north of Greater Antilles and south of Florida. Jose following close by in similar track. hoping for a nice show and responsible damage control in affected parts Haiti get your shit together

websites for tracking tropical cyclones:
<but I don't understand technical terms and shit, I need something for keins

general websites:
<for keins
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Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 16:48:02 [Preview] No.11967 del
Why don't we have a Greek poster? 8ch had that rude fyrom dude at least. I bet he has a laff now.

Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 16:54:11 [Preview] No.11970 del
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Oh come on. I missed the 2016 cyclone?
I'm ashamed tbh.

Also it would seem it is happening every year lately.

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I always post model products

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oh right I need to post new model products

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IR satellite imagery

Tech Thread Bernd 06/27/2017 (Tue) 17:57:50 [Preview] No. 8430 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Is it possible to disable GPS in phones?
I mean actually disable it like disassemble the phone and disconnect it on the circuit board and not just in the options menu which will disable it for you and apps but not for those who want to know your location (like Google or such).
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Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 17:31:45 [Preview] No.11976 del
Found that picture.
How crazy is 1200km/s?

Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 19:37:02 [Preview] No.11979 del
OK. So let's start with calculating the radius of a ringworld for an Earth-like climate.

Energy flux from Sun is the same at all distances (there's not much medium that would block it in between), so energy flux density is correlated to the square of distance from Sun – the surface of a sphere at a given distance. This energy received is then lost back into space by thermal radiation, which by Stefan's law is correlated to fourth power of temperature. Since the Earth is generally in thermal equilibrium, we can say that thermal radiation of Earth needs to be the same as illumination of Earth from Sun.

Now, the Earth is (at our level of precision) a sphere; it has surface area of 4πr², and entire surface radiates heat back into space (let's ignore temperature differences on the surface, and just calculate for average temperature). But it receives energy from Sun only by the area of its cross-section; which is a circle of area πr². On contrary, a ringworld would receive energy flux from Sun by its entire internal area, and also radiate it back with the same area (energy flux into the ground onto the other side is negligible, energy flux coming out of the ground is also negligible in Earth's case). This different ratio of effective surface areas for both energy fluxes is what I'll use for calculating the required size of the ringworld.

Option 1) no shades. In this case, the ringworld needs to be positioned at the distance where energy flux from Sun is 1/4 that at Earth's distance, for it to have equilibrium at the same temperature. From the square law of energy flux decrease it follows that the ring needs to be at the distance of 2AU, or radius of about 300M km.

Option 2) with shades. The ringworld now receives only half the Solar irradiation, so we need to place it at distance where energy flux would be 1/2 without the shades. Take a square root out of this for distance of 1.4AU, or about 210M km.

Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 19:56:19 [Preview] No.11980 del
Let us continue calculating how to make such a ring work so that things don't just fall off it. From here on I'll rely on the shaded option, going unshaded the structure is only more ridiculously oversized.

If we want to generate Earth-like gravity of about 9.81 m/s², there are as I said before two options. Option one is to construct a massive ring and rely on gravitational pull. That's not really feasible, just by handwaving and considering orders of magnitude one can see that the ring would have to be about Earth's thickness to have a similar gravitational pull; and to have a ring of about Earth's thickness all the way around the Sun, from Earth's diameter of about 12k km you'd need 17500 Earths. That's about 10²⁹kg, which is 50 Jupiter's masses, or 5% Sun's mass. So, option discarded.

Let's try with spin. In a spinning system centrifugal effect can be expressed as a_c = rω². Plugging in values a_c = 9.81 m/s² an r = 210M km one gets angular velocity of ω = 6.8 μs⁻¹, completing one full revolution (2π) in 10.7 days. Similarly from angular velocity and radius one can calculate radial velocity, v = rω, or 1440 km/s.

Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 20:57:41 [Preview] No.11981 del
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So. How do we calculate structural tension in the ring? We need to understand what generates this tension.

So, we have a centrifugal effect in the ring. There needs to be some structural integrity in the ring that holds it together, so that it doesn't fall apart. To do that we need to employ differential calculus, but to make it clearer what's going on I'll use finite sections of ring and just linearise everything (which gives the same result).

So, if you take a section of the ring of angle Δφ, and balance out the forces, we have three forces: the structural tension on both sides, and the centrifugal effect that we need to balance out. The section has mass of ΔM = Δφ * μ, where by μ I have introduced angular mass density, which has units of mass per angle (in radians, or in degrees, doesn't matter, it just needs to be in same units as Δφ). By F = M * a and plugging everything in, we can get the equation for centripetal force F_c = Δφ * μ * g₀ (standard gravitational acceleration).

On the other hand, the tension generates, from vector-summing tension force F_t on both sides, a counteracting force towards the centre. That force can be calculated by using chord function, crd(θ) = 2 sin (θ/2). I'm providing a quick sketch of how this summing is done; but the end result is F_c = crd(Δφ) * F_t.

Now we need to linearise the expressions which will get us to the differential equations. As Δφ goes to zero, we can expand it to get that crd(dφ) is simply dφ (just like sine) — provided that we use radians as units of angle. So, crd(dφ) * F_t = dφ * F_t, which is in turn equal to dφ * μ * g₀ from previous equation. We can just divide by dφ on both sides (we sent dφ to zero, but it's just almost zero, so we can still divide by it). This gives us final equation for tension force: F_t = μ * g₀. Here we will need to plug in the value for angular mass density μ, or rather since mass of whole ring is M = 2π * μ (we're using radians), we can also write this in terms of mass of the ring F_t = M * g₀.

We'd like to compare this with tensile strength. We can write mass as product of ordinary density times volume, and volume as cross-section times circumference, where circumference is of course 2πR; M = ρ * S * 2πR. Tensile strength is given as tension force times cross-section; σ = F_t/S. Dividing both sides by S thus gives the equation: σ = ρ * 2πR * g₀. To compare with real materials let's just calculate the ratio between tensile strength and density σ/ρ from given dimensions; we get value of 1.3*10¹³ m²/s², which in usual units of tensile strength and density is 1.3*10¹⁰ MPa per g/cm³. For most metals, fibres, etc.. this is in range 100-1000; for graphene it's in range of 10⁵, and for carbon nanotubes it's theoretically up to 10⁷. So, the strongest structural material known to man is still 1000 times weaker than what one would require to hold up such a structure — and it's a nanomaterial, not something one would construct a huge-ass space structure out of it. To give another perspective of the scale of tension, if one assumed density of the ring close to that of rock or metal, several g/cm³, the tension force would be comparable to the pressure at the centre of Sun.

Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 21:00:23 [Preview] No.11982 del
Addendum: actually, we'd need to have slightly more spin, as we'd also need to take gravitational pull of the Sun into account. But to counteract that gravitational pull one needs much smaller velocities; Mars which orbits at similar distance has mean orbital velocity of 24 km/s, so we'd need to add a 2% correction.

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Libre Vidya Thread Bernd 06/25/2017 (Sun) 11:20:07 [Preview] No. 8329 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Let's see your TOP 3 open source community driven games.

I personally love games involving strategy:

Warzone 2100: https://www.wz2100.net/
Great tech tree with a balance on power, research and production with a tech tree you will never complete.

OpenRA: http://www.openra.net/
Now with near complete Tiberium Sun support and RA2 soon.

Unvanquished: https://www.unvanquished.net/
An advanced FPS with a strong emphasis on team play and tactics.
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Bernd 11/15/2017 (Wed) 20:42:14 [Preview] No. 11927 del
eh no such things in this game
I'm currently building up to my space fleet limit and we'll see how my final power level will look like

Bernd 11/15/2017 (Wed) 20:51:16 [Preview] No. 11929 del
Worst case scenario: you have to restart the game.

Bernd 11/16/2017 (Thu) 21:15:05 [Preview] No. 11951 del
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I would hate to loose my progress tbh. On the other hand, I had some fun with empire creator and made a couple of new ones, I would love to try some of them and see others played by AI.

That feel when a member of race that wanted to exterminate me just got elected to leader of my empire. I even ordered to purge them from my planets (previously theirs), I just kept that one guy as admiral because he was banished by his own race and he had good skill and young age. Earlier a scientist of other species which I hired for a high price got elected too. And I had to find a new scientist. I don't understand this. I have like ~20 leaders from my species and 2 xenos and when elections come xenos have same chances getting elected as mine. Fukken xenos.

Situation in galaxy is still stagnat. I went a little above my fleet capacity and I reached ~300k fleet power. My vassals have 77k, but you know how sometimes paradox ai works, I wouldn't count on them. The biggest enemy have 560k, so there's probably no chance against him right now.
I'm focusing on building megastructures now. I got one dyson sphere earlier, conquered from fallen empire, but now I built my own. Energy credits shouldn't be a problem now, because I can build more of them. The bottleneck here is time. I also have a science nexus, so hopefully I'll get ahead with technology.
I also started bulding space habitats and frontier outposts in strategic locations. First, it will push my borders to primitive worlds on enemy territory, I will uplift them, turn into vassals and then integrate into my own empire. Second, the population from habitats and primitive worlds will push my borders further, taking enemy systems without a war, and also it will increase my fleet capacity.

Good thing that I discovered this game can run in background, because it all takes lot of time and is really boring to watch.

Bernd 11/16/2017 (Thu) 21:22:03 [Preview] No. 11952 del
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Also I just unlocked building Ring Worlds. It's big enough to contain population of 4 big planets so it will help my plans much better then habitats.
Enemies also have those, but only conquered from others, and partially damaged.

One more though came to my mind, that instead of attacking the strongest guy I could just deal with the rest of the galaxy. I could surely win and increase my fleet power much faster. The only problem I see is that the strongest guy could use that opportunity to attack himself, which he won't do right now because he's not strong enough to take down all of us at once.

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Mug legs! Where are they?!

Faggots always stand in the fuckin doorways and narrow corridors blocking the way. Fuck them.

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Bernd 11/17/2017 (Fri) 16:50:58 [Preview] No.11969 del
Earthquake or something is coming? Something big.

bolitics serios discussion – edició català Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 16:32:06 [Preview] No. 10368 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Catalans have been acting pretty edgily lately. (note the correct usage of adverb there, and not the adjective) Their parliament apparently wants to illegally hold a binding referendum on independence, which is against the Spanish constitution.


Let's see what the Russian proofsters report on that.


Interdasting. It would seem the date is 1st of October. Until then, we can expect lots of backpedaling. But let us be surprised and hope something actually happens this time.
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Bernd 11/12/2017 (Sun) 08:05:40 [Preview] No. 11843 del
Das Fühl when even politicians fall for their own bullshit rhetoric about Urapeen Whaleuse.

>“Nationalisms are a poison that prevent Europe from working together,” Juncker said last Thursday
I don't get it. What would change if these people got their own country? The EU should have only say "We recognize them and accept them into the EU". And life would go on just like before.
Btw how nice they try to sell socialists as nationalist.
Also Juncker is a drunk joke why does he need to be the King Nothing? There's not one ambitious man in the whole EU who is more presentable and can be taken more seriously? Even that French grannyfucker would be better.

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 01:43:44 [Preview] No. 11887 del
An article from Hans Adam II's cousin, over a month old but still relevant:

I liked his points about so-called "international legitimacy" and its arrogant claim to the eternal moral value of 1945 borders.

Now look at the butthurt Castillian in the comments:

>Pay attention to big confusion between self-determination and secession. First, is recognized by International Law to peoples under colonial domination (ex. Western Sahara) and, within States, only to those included in an authoritarian State who doesn't allow the people to keep its traditions or religion, or participate in the political life of the country. This is clearly the case for Kurdistan. This is not at all the case for Cataluña. It has a degree of auto-government bigger than any other federate state in countries such as Germany, Italy, Austria, USA... The dialect Catalan not only is official; worse, the Catalan authorities discriminate the citizens wanting to use Castellano. A right to secession is not recognized by any democratic Constitution in the world. Our democratic States cannot support a minority of the population threatening the national unity. This kind of populist movements is contrary to European integration, its principles, and its values, one of which is the rule of law. Exceptions to the rule of law cannot be accepted in European countries if we want to keep our traditional legal orders, that gave us more than six decades in peace.

>muh populism
>(((european integration)))
>if a state allows you to partake in its political process, you can no longer desire secession
>thinking that legal orders and not geopolitical factors are the main reasons for Western Europe's peace

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 07:39:13 [Preview] No. 11889 del
>The dialect Catalan not only is official; worse, the Catalan authorities discriminate the citizens wanting to use Castellano.
Ha, reminds me how Serbs are recently pushing to be recognised as a minority which would allow them to use Serbian officially.

Bernd 11/15/2017 (Wed) 18:42:06 [Preview] No. 11918 del
That article was great. It's super how he highlights the fact that in the end legitimacy will be guaranteed by the arms of the nation who wants independence. It doesn't matter what the powers say.

>A right to secession is not recognized by any democratic Constitution in the world.
That would be quite a satire finding such lines in a Constitution as: the citizens have the right to declare independence and found their own countries.

Battles Bernd 07/16/2017 (Sun) 10:27:19 [Preview] No. 8950 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I've already mentioned the book titled On Killing - The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman (Lt. Col. of US Army). It gave some food for thought and I'm planning to write some of my speculation.

But what did the author write? Let's summarize.
He starts with the observation that most men has a natural resistance to kill (only 2% of men - those who have "predisposition toward aggressive psychopathic personality" - can go on killing without becoming a nervous wreck). This resistance is so high that even at times that our life is directly threatened (like others shoot at us) still difficult to overcome it. This resistance is the reason why infantry fire was so embarrassingly ineffective in the past 300 years - with the exception of machine guns - despite the fact that infantry weaponry (rifles) are reliable and accurate enough to cause massive losses among the enemy.
The author gives examples and sources, such as a Prussian experiment in the late 18th century, several reports and notices from several authors during 19-20th centuries (American, French, Israeli etc.), and an interesting work by a US Army historian who (and his coworkers) made mass interviews with fighting GIs during and after WWII. Also he cites his own conversation with veterans of WWII and Vietnam.
He gives new ideas on what's really happening on the battlefield. He compliments the widely known fight-or-flight model with two other options: in reality the soldiers can fight, posture, submit or flight. And most soldiers choose the second option.
Then he ponders on what enables killing (I'm gonna write more about this later) and how modern (post-WWII) armies achieve this. Then he compares these methods with the ways of contemporary mass media. His conlcusion is (after pointing out the exponential rise of violent crimes) that mass media has an undesirable effect on society.

What interesting for me is this resistance, and the enabling part. These things are actually give an entirely new way of looking warfare, and how and why battles were won.
For example the part officers (the demanding authority to kill) play in the enabling. When people (professional historians, history pros and other armchair generals) comparing the Hellenic phalanx with Roman manipulus and why the latter was more successful they compare everything but the officers. In the phalanx he's only one among those who stand in line and do the poking with pikes, but a Roman officer is one outside the formation and pressuring the soldiers to kill. It makes a huge difference if someone shouting in your ears "stab! stab! stab!" and generally pressuring you to kill. Especially if this one person is an exemplary one, a veteran whose skill in killing surpasses all the others in that particular unit. However noone talks about this because noone thinks about it.

I'll continue this sometimes, maybe only next weekend, we'll see. If you wish to read the book you can probably find it on libgen.
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Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 05:27:41 [Preview] No. 11888 del
>How is that personal dynamics weigh more heavily on human minds than random chance of death?

Because it's a form of betrayal. Not by the enemy frontline, but by our own peers who gave the enemy that power: we only recognize the adversarial attitude from experience when our own countrymen hated us more personally than an enemy soldier ever could. Matters of death are fundamentally impersonal, you either live or die but if you die you won't carry that with you, if you lose a limb you get trauma that's already over and done with and you may focus on other things. Humanizing enemy soldiers is merely what opens our eyes to the fact that the humans around us were always enemy-izing us. They don't want you to die for them, but they do want you to live for them, even if miserably. And then get out of the way and die anyway. It's the random chance of death, and then some. Of course its worse.

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 16:43:09 [Preview] No. 11894 del
>it's a form of betrayal. Not by the enemy frontline, but by our own peers who gave the enemy that power
That's also the reason why Viet vets got PTSD. In previous wars of the US the soldiers came home and they were celebrated by the people which helped ease their guilt (of killing). But when they returned from Vietnam they were shunned as killers, every one of them from the rifleman to the cooks and truck drivers, which not just didn't help but pushed them into that disorder.

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 23:20:16 [Preview] No. 11904 del
Public opinion was not against the soldiers.
Even Lieutenant Calley, perpatrator of the My Lai Massacre, had a lot of civilian support.
Link related, a patriotic song commending his actions that hit the top 40 on our charts and eventually went gold.
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Anger was mainly at the brass and the politicians that started the war, remember that the Kent State Shootings were triggered after the campus ROTC building was burned.

Although the disappointment that the returning vets were faced with on all sides was crushing. The disillusionment was no illusion.

Bernd 11/15/2017 (Wed) 06:23:47 [Preview] No. 11907 del
I saw otherwise in Rambo. I'll reply more seriously late. To this >>11885 too.

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Could have picked some Slayer but that just too mainstream.

rondam news Bernd 06/29/2017 (Thu) 17:20:10 [Preview] No. 8542 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
from your contry or wherever

the arbitral tribunal finally announced rulings regarding border disputes between slovenia and croatia. however, croatia claims they will ignore those rulings because they don't see them as legitimate ever since a year ago when some phone calls between one of the members of the tribunal and some irrelevant slovenian official were leaked. however the arbitration was accepted as part of ultimatum to croatia regarding eu membership.


besides the sea border dispute, most land border disputes were results of anomalies where one republic or a municipality governed land that was nominally on the other side of the republic border.

see pictures in article. it was ruled out that:
1) gulf of piran belongs to slovenia (except for a narrow strip next to croatian coast, as opposed to border going along the centreline) and the sea border continues straight out to italian waters; slovenia doesn't get a direct contact with international waters but instead a 4.6km wide corridor is assigned inside croatian waters that slovenia gets full access to
2) land border follows the dragoña river; this means that a couple of houses (most notably, joško joras, who wrote "here is slovenia too" on his house in 2002 and had some publicised breakouts with border officials) and fields, altogether 113ha that were part of slovene municipalities and were infrastructurally connected to slovenia, stay on croatian side
3) 70ha of forest on snežnik plateau forests that were part of hungary before ww1 but was anomalously reassigned to slovenia during treaty of rapallo for no reason whatsoever, remain part of slovenia
4) 335ha large piece of clay around village of drage (northern bela krajina, foothills of gorjanci), mostly forests, that was anomalously part of croatian cadadstres goes to croatia. this is right next to the worst example of bordergore on slovene border, however the ruling does nothing to resolve that. such cases.
5) the army objects on trdina peak (in gorjanci) that were seized by slovene forces during independence war get split following the internal republic borders along the ridge within yugoslavia; the radio tower is therefore on slovenian side while the barracks on croatian
6) the border along mura river follows its old riverbet from the 19th century and not the modern-day regulated course (leaving a larger part of land on croatian side)

croatia is expected to send army on its borders and slovenia is expected to go crazy on border control to prevent tourists from reaching croatia until croatia gives a statement regarding agreeing with the outcome
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Bernd 11/13/2017 (Mon) 18:16:12 [Preview] No. 11873 del

There was Zmago Jelinčič """"Plemeniti"""" (meaning "the noble" as he claims to be descended from some nobility, but that's really far removed and he's some irrelevant branch of an already irrelevant family that has never held any real titles), leader of SNS (the nationalist party), ex-husband of the most important jewess writer in Slovenia and father of a literal kibbutz jew. He's a massive irredentist, is always right (when his views are challenged he starts telling the same thing he said before only louder and doesn't let opponents finish), claims Croats are all nazis and should be embargoed in all possible ways, wants to wage war for Istria, well basically the /pol/ tier car bomber dude except more hotheaded. He sat in the parliament until Janković ran in 2012; presumably because ironically all the Serbs voted him (Janković was the first Serb candidate) solely on grounds of hating Croats.

Otherwise, Slovene politics is severely lacking in charisma. Perhaps Janez Janša would be the most charismatic politician, and even he looks more like he's just egotripping without any real goal.

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 18:05:54 [Preview] No. 11896 del
Well, not every country can have such idiocracy like the US and elect bushes, monkeys and oranges.

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 21:06:20 [Preview] No. 11898 del
Oh and I didn't mean those politicians of yours are decent people.

Bernd 11/14/2017 (Tue) 21:30:59 [Preview] No. 11899 del
Nah I get it. They're just boring af.

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Bernd 09/09/2017 (Sat) 22:53:40 [Preview] No. 10101 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Da KC and da EC is down
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Bernd 11/11/2017 (Sat) 10:09:33 [Preview] No. 11832 del
Why was it down? Don't know. Just nothing werked. Later odili wrote on twitter it'll be back soon. And that's it.

All right, then mewch/int/ it is.

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that chair when depreschan is too depressing for kc

Bernd 11/11/2017 (Sat) 16:29:26 [Preview] No. 11834 del
I don't recall really, but it was down until odili notified the host. Went down just the wrong time for odili not to reactivate it earlier.

Bernd 11/11/2017 (Sat) 16:52:39 [Preview] No. 11836 del
Oh the Russian with the /int/eresting board.
I liek how I click "Our friends" and get 404.
I don't liek teh looks.

Bernd 11/13/2017 (Mon) 16:34:12 [Preview] No. 11867 del
please no more depression
I don't want to go back

koryŏ watch threda Bernd 06/26/2017 (Mon) 17:19:30 [Preview] No. 8410 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
today as I've been reading the best source of PROOFS (I mean, they're funded by a government, they literally can't be biased) I noticed this
>Former South Korean President Park Geun-hye was making plans to assassinate North Korean leader Kim Jong-un

since koryŏ has been quite busy lately I think it warrants a specific thread
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Bernd 09/28/2017 (Thu) 20:08:46 [Preview] No. 10729 del
Ümm. 4,7...

Bernd 09/29/2017 (Fri) 20:12:14 [Preview] No. 10765 del
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fug, how will ameriga recover?

Bernd 11/12/2017 (Sun) 07:40:19 [Preview] No. 11842 del
Now that's what I call high politics.

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Bernd 11/13/2017 (Mon) 16:27:53 [Preview] No. 11865 del
I wonder if it ever happens that world nuclear war will be preceded by leaders shitposting on twitter

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BONG Bernd 06/28/2017 (Wed) 16:49:34 [Preview] No. 8483 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
All right. Here it comes. First the ones other made then mine stuff.
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Bernd 10/23/2017 (Mon) 16:03:40 [Preview] No. 11404 del
the nets from an all to familiar source

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