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Post Gen 4 Discussion Thread Anon 01/09/2020 (Thu) 00:48:18 [Preview] No. 5314
Gen 4 is over, folks! No more episodes of Friendship is Magic.

Does this mean that the ride has ended? Far from it.

https://xxnightmaremoonxx.de/vweb/
https://yayponies.no/videos/episodes.php

You have seen that the book concluded its story but the next scene would (implicitly) happen around adult Twilight reading it. This means that the fans are up to open it again and revive those memories like they did for the first time. Plus, some newcomers have never seen it at all, so it wouldn´t be fair to put this gen to the void all of a sudden, not to mention that Luster Dawn represents one of the many undefined paths that we have yet to see or write about in the fanfics. The timeline keeps going.

In this thread, we simply continue the show discussion but the fans decide what to do next. Not only it will serve for looking in hindsight to past content brought for an entire decade (the 2010s) but also for discussing future content of this franchise.

No more tensions nor worries about gen 4 anymore, you can discuss it more calmly without any pressure.

Welcome to the 2020s with the post gen 4 era!

...and let´s read the book full of memories again, one more time...

Past threads:
Season 8 discussion: >>1060
Season 9 discussion: >>3583


Anon 01/10/2020 (Fri) 05:05:57 [Preview] No.5319 del
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Nice job in ending the last and starting a new one. This is one of the ones that I was planing so it's nice to see it up since I'm been a little busy.

>Welcome to the 2020s with the post gen 4 era!
Welcome everypony!


Anon 01/10/2020 (Fri) 22:51:57 [Preview] No.5320 del
>>5319
yeah, I had a plan to make an index but as soon as I ended it, I said to myself: "I am feeling like posting the OP for the next thread" and you guys had requested it before. I knew that you were planning to make a few threads but it seems that I anticipated myself for one of them.

Also you can continue the last replies both of you posted in the previous thread. I don´t have the lead for this one, but as for the introduction, at least I could connect the show last scene with the post gen 4 concept and have a space to discuss anything related to FIM. It could turn into another NMAiE but who knows what will happen.

So, let´s see how we fill in the blanks here.


Anon 04/03/2020 (Fri) 05:48:18 [Preview] No.5675 del
>>5320
And we are about to. Trust me. For I think I have a pretty novel theory that is actually possible. Pic not related.


The Set Up Theory Anon 04/03/2020 (Fri) 05:58:30 [Preview] No.5676 del
Some thoughts on FiM and Celestia's roll.


I was watching some season 4 FiM recently and paying very close attention to the background and characters more subtle interactions. One thing that struck me was how Celestia still had a bit of an air of mystery to her despite being discredited as a power and a tyrant. The way she played chess with Discord and her prophetic dreams; one got the since that she was still playing some type of game. I think it in part was a game with Twilight and setting her up to rule. TS herself mentioned that she was worried about being sent off to rule a kingdom and much of the lessons seemed to be prepping us for TS to be having some type of roll in leadership. I think that of any time to look at background events with actual credit ability of a fan theory it is in this season when background events and more subtler details seem to mater the most (Season 7 being a close second). This maybe the only season where it was such hints are cannon.

What is my theory? That Celestia planed power ponies! Does that sound crazy? A little. Wasn't I talking about plausible fan theories a second ago? Stay with me you'll see. You remember Spike's comic book and how they said he got it from an enchanted comic book store? I think more than likely that was just a lie that was said. You know how I know this? Remember in season 1 episode 8? That whole slumber party?!? What was the excuse for Spike being gone
https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/Look_Before_You_Sleep
"Well, you're welcome to stay if need be. Spike is away in Canterlot on royal business. I'm home all alone tonight."

Who was he on royal business with? It's obvious: Celestia!

There have been other through away lines that suggest himself having minor anatomy and connectionns to her but you get the point: Celly D is the source of the book! Why though!? Why! would! Celestia! Do! Such! A! Thing!

Stay tuned my /b/ronies...


The Meat of It Anon 04/03/2020 (Fri) 06:31:12 [Preview] No.5679 del
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>>5676
I have already established that 1): Celestia was manipulative in Season 4 and 2): she could have easily given Spike the book. What's her motive here? I think the answer is obvious. Think about it. Think about it What other episode had fiction coming to life! Daring Don't. Ya'know the one that just so happened to have a character who was fictional turn out to be real? Mane-iac is real too and she is dancing like she never danced before!* Not only that. But I think we have already seen her in the show once twice perhaps by that point. Y'known there is a certain bug queen who has a certain ability to change shape right? Crissy certainly seems like a safe bet. All the other villains sans Discord are Crystallis/changlings? How do I guess this! Because every other villains is one off usually. Think about it! Why is Crissy always getting away with things at the very end! Becuz she is every other vilian she is the Palpatine of my little pony. Terik wouldnn't be able to send letters without Derpy's help and we know Derpy wouldn't help an evil fellow like Tirek. It was Cozy who and Cozy was the plant! knnow where I am going with this right!? Cozy is the the weeds in he S 4 premier she is Crissy or a one of her changeling minions.


Now I know everything doesn't work out but this sure is more plausible than other theories wouldn't you agree?

*citations Need to back up my claims after all. I highly recommend you check these out and tell me your thoughts. Is there any errors or things I missed?
https://derpy.me/QfUfG
https://derpy.me/255KL
https://derpy.me/UtqmA


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 15:18:13 [Preview] No.5688 del
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>>5675
>For I think I have a pretty novel theory that is actually possible.
so you wanted that I checked this out first (I replied to the /go/ replies instead).

However, let´s put the thinking cap on and dive through your theory. Impress me and let´s look at:

>>5676
>That Celestia planed power ponies! Does that sound crazy?
WHAT THE...?
My eyes have blinked more than usual after reading this. So this sums up your theory but what are your arguments for it?

>"Well, you're welcome to stay if need be. Spike is away in Canterlot on royal business. I'm home all alone tonight."
that deep into the script for a season 1 episode that didn´t have lore all that much established. This is Twilight´s Seven tier (which by the way, if Luna was present, it could have explained its connections with Luna for season 9).

Wow, you have looked all that far into the lines when authors didn´t imagine to go into that route. Even if the theory turns out to sound ridiculous, I have to cherish that merit to look at the script with a magnifying glass.

>Why though!? Why! would! Celestia! Do! Such! A! Thing!
she´s called trollestia for a reason (or at least, she was)

>One thing that struck me was how Celestia still had a bit of an air of mystery to her despite being discredited as a power and a tyrant.
after seeing School Daze in season 8, she doesn´t hold a huge level of power when it comes to the system (though this could be justified because of the mindset of the new writers compared to the first ones). Thankfully the later seasons showed a much more mundane level that blew away those headcanons of tyranny.

>The way she played chess with Discord and her prophetic dreams; one got the since that she was still playing some type of game.
you have summarized why certain shippers made Discord and Celestia a couple.

>I think it in part was a game with Twilight and setting her up to rule. TS herself mentioned that she was worried about being sent off to rule a kingdom and much of the lessons seemed to be prepping us for TS to be having some type of roll in leadership.
true, even though the arc was kind of inconsistent. Those fears showed up in certain episodes but one could also use the meta route here because fans were also worried that Twilight would get a big twist because of the early crowning. Still, it´s a valid point.

>I think that of any time to look at background events with actual credit ability of a fan theory it is in this season when background events and more subtler details seem to mater the most (Season 7 being a close second). This maybe the only season where it was such hints are cannon.
perhaps now with everything settled and so aware of the background details in the latest seasons, looking back could turn out a good exercise in hindsight. But wow, you used a season 1 point for backing this up, when it was more linear and less subtle in terms of ideas/direction.


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 15:41:33 [Preview] No.5689 del
>>5679
>I have already established that 1): Celestia was manipulative in Season 4 and 2)
only in those seasons though? Make New Friends But Keep Discord, Celestial Advice, A Bird in the Hoof or The Best Night Ever say hi (I am undecided to add Horse Play to the list though)?

>she could have easily given Spike the book.
keep in mind that lots of mundane events could occur behind the cameras and the book could have been gifted to him as a birthday present or for Heart´s Warming. So it might not be all that outlandish to believe that.

>What's her motive here?
>What other episode had fiction coming to life! Daring Don't.
that episode was a twist indeed and destroyed the implications of her fictional stories into part of Equestria´s diary of an adventurer.

>Ya'know the one that just so happened to have a character who was fictional turn out to be real?
yeah, I remember it perfectly. It was quite controversial at the time for approaching it in a risky way even though the show went further with other episodes (even season 6 has an episode featuring Daring Do that is called Stranger Than Fanfiction) and it opened itself to fiction of its own fictional world. This pays off with The Last Problem and the book closing itself.

>Mane-iac is real too and she is dancing like she never danced before!
Though I didn´t think too much about Mane-iac, there were several cameos of her in EQG (like you have posted) or in the show itself, Rarity cosplaying as her in Dragon Dropped (going to a convention). I believe that correlating the conventions of Daring Do with Power Ponies´ might add up to your theory. If Daring Do was actually real with fictional conventions of her, why wouldn´t Mane-Iac actually exist with the same pattern? However, this relies on the causation fallacy of: A leads to B because of C reason, so D leads to B by following C´s logic.

I still wished Mane-Iac appeared more or became more prominent in the fanbase but she landed quite in the middle of nowhere despite the cameos.


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 16:15:56 [Preview] No.5690 del
>I think we have already seen her in the show once twice perhaps by that point.
explain this

>Y'known there is a certain bug queen who has a certain ability to change shape right? >
>Crissy certainly seems like a safe bet.
using the changelings for everything could serve as a wild card until the 6th season before their redemption.

>All the other villains sans Discord are Crystallis/changlings? How do I guess this! Because every other villains is one off usually. Think about it!
are we talking about villains before the Power Ponies event or throughout the entire show? Because if we are counting until the last season, Sombra didn´t turn out to be a one off character (even though he got revived for his second attempt in The Beginning of the End). The sirens are kind of a questionable case and while Nightmare Moon and even Daybreaker appeared more than once, we would have to imply that the royal sisters did this so they don´t count. Almost everyone else got the redemption route (Dolores, Tempest or even the changelings themselves) or completely disappeared (The Storm King)

So, perhaps you have a point on the villains part.

>Why is Crissy always getting away with things at the very end! Becuz she is every other vilian she is the Palpatine of my little pony. Terik wouldnn't be able to send letters without Derpy's help and we know Derpy wouldn't help an evil fellow like Tirek. It was Cozy who and Cozy was the plant! knnow where I am going with this right!? Cozy is the the weeds in he S 4 premier she is Crissy or a one of her changeling minions.

I disagree that Chrysalis gets away with it all the time. While she got better over time at planning her strategies with a more cold headed mind (especially in the last season), she has had several fails whose net result was negative in every single aspect (the wedding, Thorax and even The Mean 6) so she gets away with it in the sense that she manages to appear over and over again.

However, that doesn´t take away her recurrent attempts and you might have a point that Cozy Glow or even a changeling (most likely the former. We implied that the Chancellor ordered Cozy to report him when it didn´t turn out that way in the end) could do the task in order to lure the Mane 6 for another challenge that looked fictional at first sight but still could be another attempt to get rid of them for taking over Equestria.

Posting pic related because said comic appears next to Gabby.


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 16:22:36 [Preview] No.5691 del
>>5679
>*citations Need to back up my claims after all. I highly recommend you check these out and tell me your thoughts. Is there any errors or things I missed?
>https://derpy.me/QfUfG
>https://derpy.me/255KL
Watch out folks, this the DEFINITIVE PROOF that Bridgefag is right and definitely, he really meant it (especially on the first video, that one is a must for everyone. HEY LURKERS, CHECK THEM OUT, DON´T BE SLACKERS!)

>https://derpy.me/UtqmA
404 Error. Not Found


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 16:47:03 [Preview] No.5692 del
>>5679
>tell me your thoughts. Is there any errors or things I missed?
that I have listened to more Rick Astley music than you...I have to mention that you are a fan of one hit wonders, that´s what I have learned this week.

now, seriously:
>Now I know everything doesn't work out but this sure is more plausible than other theories wouldn't you agree?
it doesn´t sound all that crazy and could have turned out to be more ridiculous.
I have to appreciate though that you went that deep for a slumber party episode of season 1 when lore and implications didn´t carry that much the tone of the show. If you had told me about the premiere, I would have expected it but Look Before You Sleep is a really odd choice that I wouldn´t have imagined to use for a lore viewpoint.

You forgot to add Dragon Dropped onto the table for supporting more your idea about Daring Do´s correlation with the existence of Mane-iac and the merchandise of both characters.

About the changelings, you even posted a Ponychan image that theorized about Lyra being a changeling before this theory. I mean with this that using the changelings all the time sounds kind of cheap because they serve as a joker for almost everything before Thorax came into the game for backing up every single headcanon. Their integration into the world, especially in the 8th season, truly reduced almost all the possible theories that could come later.

Nonetheless, you backed it up quite nicely in the sense that a second agent could have made the work to attract the ponies and as soon as the comic pulled the trigger, Chrysalis could come into play....but Cozy Glow couldn´t have done it for the changeling queen if only because she looked at the pegasus filly with a weird look the first time they saw themselves and didn´t have much chemistry for asking her to do that. So point discarded or highly unlikely, though the logic there turned out to be plausible. So by itself, we could imply that a changeling could have spied the ponies and notice the comic as a magical artifact in order to attack them again as another identity but we would be boiling this down again with the overdone cliché of a changeling hiding itself among the ponies.

The correlation of the method that Cozy used for Tirek sounds quite reasonable but for Chysalis this time around, however, its implication in practice would have been too specific in order to carry a plan of that kind. It would much easier to plan another revenge like they did in To Where and Back Again.


April Fools! 04/04/2020 (Sat) 21:39:44 [Preview] No.5699 del
>>5688
>>5689
>>5690
The goal for this theory was to have a plausible foundation with a somewhat crazy conclusion for April Fools that included a derproll. I did introduce elements I have wanted to touch on and I took it from some real observations I have written down.

>Wow, you have looked all that far into the lines when authors didn´t imagine to go into that route. Even if the theory turns out to sound ridiculous, I have to cherish that merit to look at the script with a magnifying glass.
Season 1 and Season 2 eps are naturally the ones I've combed through the most and sometimes I do find stuff that surprises me. Early days any of these sometimes conflicting implications would be fanfic fuel but now many are forgotten and a few weren't terribly known in the "golden age". Most I saw on the Spike thrown away line of him on Canterlot business was people considering a excuse to get rid of him for the ep (which is probably true). One fic may have touched on it. I still think it is interesting to look through as sometimes some Season 1 stuff still has a bit of lore implications of old intent. Like Faust not wanting too much tech and therefore insisting the train be pulled by horses (yet even then we still saw stuff like modern paper and Twi's mad scientist computer). Through it obviously wasn't as developed as unified story, more of just a vision for the world and some intent for how it worked on some level. Just as much is early inconsistencies from what was a children's show without that in mind. Which brings me too...

>only in those seasons though? Make New Friends But Keep Discord, Celestial Advice, A Bird in the Hoof or The Best Night Ever say hi (I am undecided to add Horse Play to the list though)?
That's part of a debate I've been having but I was taking an conservative route since I was talking about Celestia as a master plan manipulator and not just a troll with a funny streak. Season 4 has this the most undisputedly implied in my opinion. It gave a subtext that she brought Discord back to fight Terik and said she had prophetic dreams. Season 3 had hints and Season 4 directly built on that as opposed to it being a little more muddled. I've seen some argue that some lines in Season 7 undermine this (which I wasn't sure I agreed with but would need to rewatch as I consider myself weakest on Season 7 and Season 5). So I wanted to play it "safe" there.

>explain this
Oh I forgot to include a joke that Trixie was also possibly Chrysalis or one of her minions.

>I disagree that Chrysalis gets away with it all the time. While she got better over time at planning her strategies with a more cold headed mind (especially in the last season), she has had several fails whose net result was negative in every single aspect (the wedding, Thorax and even The Mean 6) so she gets away with it in the sense that she manages to appear over and over again.
That is what I meant that she survives, poorly worded as I was trying to say it in a conspiratorial and overly enthusiastic tone.

>Posting pic related because said comic appears next to Gabby.
She did get a handful of cameos toward the end there didn't she?


April Fools! 04/04/2020 (Sat) 22:48:48 [Preview] No.5701 del
>>5699
>a plausible foundation with a somewhat crazy conclusion for April Fools that included a derproll.
yeah, I noticed but still I wanted to go deeply as if nothing happened. I clicked on a couple of links before replying, extending autistically the thing to see where it could land.

>I do find stuff that surprises me. Early days any of these sometimes conflicting implications would be fanfic fuel
the old days of Lyra having an attraction towards humans because she was sitting on a bench like a human. Obviously the scarcity of content lead to create everything almost out of every single detail so that was exactly the dynamic of the early era. Nowadays, it´s in reverse, the fanabse has too much to deal with so much content and a huge world of this kind.

>but now many are forgotten and a few weren't terribly known in the "golden age".
same with the background ponies. Anyone can recognize Derpy, Octavia or Vinyl Scratch but who recognizes the background ponies of Canterlot Boutique for example or the unicorn that had butterfly wings on 2,4,6 Great. Exactly, barely anyoone out there.

>Most I saw on the Spike thrown away line of him on Canterlot business was people considering a excuse to get rid of him for the ep (which is probably true).
considering how plot devices work or how Spike was mistreated back in the early days until the 6th season (ironically applies to male characters as well almost simultaneously) and the lore didn´t reach a quarter of what we have to deal nowadays, that line holds lots of irrelevancy. It could have mattered though if they went like they did with Moondancer in Amending Fences though.

>I still think it is interesting to look through as sometimes some Season 1 stuff still has a bit of lore implications of old intent.
fair enough, in fact Student Counsel revisited the cockatrices and we didn´t see them for a very long time back in Stare Master (though they appeared in School Raze in the Tartarus). So yeah, those old intentions could have been more developed but almost everything relevant was mostly revisited later.

>Like Faust not wanting too much tech and therefore insisting the train be pulled by horses (yet even then we still saw stuff like modern paper and Twi's mad scientist computer)
oh the irony in her own contradictions. Someone created Feeling Pinkie Keen around season 1 with that modern tech, hello?

>Through it obviously wasn't as developed as unified story, more of just a vision for the world and some intent for how it worked on some level. Just as much is early inconsistencies from what was a children's show without that in mind. Which brings me too...
I was certainly asking this and why early seasons cannot be taken with the magnifying glass all that much because those episodes were already created without aiming to an adult audience or at least, go to RPG levels of level for developing their stories. Despite not holding season 1 at the top of my ranking, I have a soft spot in that regard because writers back then didn´t expect anything like this.


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 23:03:08 [Preview] No.5702 del
>>5699
>I was taking an conservative route since I was talking about Celestia as a master plan manipulator and not just a troll with a funny streak.
that's a stretch that hobbled the theory even though you had an unexpected argument in your favor that the comic could have been given to Spike at anytime by her.

>Season 4 has this the most undisputedly implied in my opinion. It gave a subtext that she brought Discord back to fight Terik and said she had prophetic dreams.
eeeyup, Twilight´s Kingdom. Many people tend to write her as a tyrant because of Luna ending up as a victim in the premiere (including myself, I am not an exception) but that´s the bait argument used for many who would denigrate the Sun princess. However, when one puts all her actions onto the table, season 4´s finale takes the cake in tyrannical decisions though I think that she didn´t get nowhere close to this after that finale (I think)

>Season 3 had hints
in the Crystal Empire episode indeed.

>I've seen some argue that some lines in Season 7 undermine this (which I wasn't sure I agreed with but would need to rewatch as I consider myself weakest on Season 7 and Season 5).
we might not know all that well about that but if you played with her as tyrant considering the recent seasons, you would have revealed yourself or even get misunderstood as a fan that only watched the first seasons.

>So I wanted to play it "safe" there.
the less one enters into muddled waters, the better.


Anon 04/04/2020 (Sat) 23:21:05 [Preview] No.5703 del
>>5699
>Oh I forgot to include a joke that Trixie was also possibly Chrysalis or one of her minions.
that would have been too obvious and the red alarm would have been heard all over Endchan. To Where And Back Again exists.

>That is what I meant that she survives, poorly worded as I was trying to say it in a conspiratorial and overly enthusiastic tone.
yeah, in that aspect, I knew where you were going but it´s what happens when one asks to go too deep....that I also go too deep as well.

>She did get a handful of cameos toward the end there didn't she?
and it seems that I was backing up the theory myself with Dragon Dropped screencaps than you with Look Before You Sleep and it could have sounded much more plausible and convincing if you had gone further with Daring Do´s logical fallacy. However, the enthusiasm and the grey territory of bringing up Celestia onto the table kind of detracted your theory.

Celestia would have liked to know about you if she had built a trolling school though.


April Fools! 04/05/2020 (Sun) 01:44:21 [Preview] No.5704 del
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>>5692
>.I have to mention that you are a fan of one hit wonders, that´s what I have learned this week.
MFW when I have been listening to:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic [Embed]
https://www.expressnews.com/entertainment/music-stage/article/The-Texas-history-to-one-of-the-biggest-one-hit-13668236.php
https://groovyhistory.com/one-hit-wonders-of-the-1960s
>Zager and Evans are the only band to do this in both the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 and the UK Singles Chart.
Well you may have a point there...

>I have to appreciate though that you went that deep for a slumber party episode of season 1 when lore and implications didn´t carry that much the tone of the show. If you had told me about the premiere, I would have expected it but Look Before You Sleep is a really odd choice that I wouldn´t have imagined to use for a lore viewpoint.
Yeah it is, but that line has always stuck with me and it does carry a small but possibly significant implication that I decided I would use. It's an interesting debate in how relevant each season is to each other and I have been trying to come up with a system to judge what counts as "cannon" and what rational theories can be made. I think I have mentioned this before of what my working model is: episode canon, seasonal canon and then show canon. The reason why I say working model is because of all the problems it entails. Say there was something that was implied pretty strongly for the first 7 or 8 seasons only to be contradicted in season 9? If show canon equals the whole does that mean that season 9 trumps everything before? I'd say it is harder than a simple yes or no. I think different seasons had different intents and the problem with making rational theories is that many look at the show with too much of a unitary view of the storyline while it probably be best to break it down into seasons or eras and judge what the writers were planing at the time. Here is my working model in how I view the seasons:

Lore Seasons:
Season 4
Season 7
These seasons were the ones that were paying the closest attention to a unified story. Probably where you could give the most consideration to small details and background elements.
Fan Service Seasons:
Season 5
Season 6
These Seasons had lore but I felt that the stories were less thought out as a unified whole as much as "Let's do X! Fans Love X!" as the mentality. There was still stuff serious introduced (Like magic dynamics) but felt less somewhat organized with a unified whole.
Pre Lore Seasons
Season 1
Season 2
These Seasons set the foundation but the lore and intentions where only there for some elements not in service of a hard unified continuity (I'd say that be arguable for the series in most places as the continuity is more mid level).
Can Not Decide.
Season 8 has a more unified story but a lot of the elements didn't seem to be as unified well with the rest of the show. Perhaps at times not as well thought out (them never having a backstory for Cozy). Yet there is arugably build up and stuff around the school that they were intending to build up next season (Halo-Twi). Season 8 still had to partly contend with Season 7's story but it was more of something they had to get out of the way rather than build on it.
Season 9:
There was a story arch for sure but it wasn't something that was fully unfolding in a all the pieces combined storyline like 4 or 7. Yet one could argue that is better for lore than those. There also was Season 8's storyline which had been contended with, but it wasn't as swept aside so much as background presence with one aborted plotline (Halo Twi and the Tree house). Also there was a mad dash for fanservice.
Season 3:
Hardest to choose. It had buddings of a unified lore for such a short season, yet it also was being done in fan service. One could also make the case that it is either the weakest lore season or a non lore season with lore and fanservice as a more thinly spread butter.

You probably could make cases for a few more being moved around but this is my working m


April Fools! 04/05/2020 (Sun) 01:49:08 [Preview] No.5705 del
>>5701
>>5702
>>5703
I had >>5704 mostly typed but got interrupted and I come back and see three more post! I also see I need to change April Fools back to Anon, least one of us looks like a fool


April Fools! 04/05/2020 (Sun) 02:07:35 [Preview] No.5706 del
>>5691
Indeed. I have said all I needed to here.

>404 Error. Not Found
That was supposed to be a link to the song Maniac by for the fikm Flashdance. The link works for me. Is it blocked there? I just used it to joke about a certain villain.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lYLxUdDhbEg [Embed]
UFP sings was just there to add to the chaos. Not the biggest fan of it but that series is a bit more than meets the eye at first glance even if I don't like a lot of the humor. I will speak more on it later.


Anon 04/05/2020 (Sun) 10:22:56 [Preview] No.5707 del
What do you suggest is the most effective way to get semen stains out of my kids mlp plushie?
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Anon 04/05/2020 (Sun) 20:53:57 [Preview] No.5708 del
>>5704
>but that line has always stuck with me and it does carry a small but possibly significant implication that I decided I would use.
oh it´s a personal one that has been around your head more than most of the community at least.

>It's an interesting debate in how relevant each season is to each other and I have been trying to come up with a system to judge what counts as "cannon" and what rational theories can be made.
oh God the discussion of what´s canon or not. I mean, I simply put the entire gen 4 under canon, EQG as a spin off (except for the sirens because they also appeared in the show bcause they are interconnected) and the comics as complementary additional material. About special content/episodes, they also count as canon.

However, if we are taking everything with that standard, then we can enter into what´s more relevant but again, discussion becomes really difficult and kind of anticlimatic considering that FiM despite adding tons of lore in the end, the main purpose of the show relied on a slice of life spirit so it sounds quite contradictory because every single episode counts because in a slice of life show, nothing is filler. Having said that, we can continue with the topic.

>I think I have mentioned this before of what my working model is: episode canon, seasonal canon and then show canon. The reason why I say working model is because of all the problems it entails.
a work in progress like a great and powerful magician would say...

>Say there was something that was implied pretty strongly for the first 7 or 8 seasons only to be contradicted in season 9?
which didn´t happen (fortunately).

>If show canon equals the whole does that mean that season 9 trumps everything before? I'd say it is harder than a simple yes or no. I think different seasons had different intents and the problem with making rational theories is that many look at the show with too much of a unitary view of the storyline while it probably be best to break it down into seasons or eras and judge what the writers were planing at the time.
fair enough, considering that the staff was constantly changing (even scripts among the writers from the same season) so this show as a whole didn´t carry one solid vision from a creator nor the same team all the time.


Anon 04/05/2020 (Sun) 21:24:54 [Preview] No.5709 del
>>5704
>Lore Seasons: Season 4, Season 7
>These seasons were the ones that were paying the closest attention to a unified story. Probably where you could give the most consideration to small details and background elements.
no problem with these options. In fact, the story arc of the little objects that worked as keys in certain episodes scattered throughout the entire season in S4 paid off with the crystal castle and the revisit of the Castle of the Two Sisters. Season 7 didn´t show the greatest show arc but in comparison to the rest of the seasons, from Campfire Tales (that is to say its 2nd half) onwards, it relied on the lore behind the pillars (which topped with the revival of each one of them including the awaited Starswirl).


>Fan Service Seasons:Season 5, Season 6
>These Seasons had lore but I felt that the stories were less thought out as a unified whole as much as "Let's do X! Fans Love X!" as the mentality. There was still stuff serious introduced (Like magic dynamics) but felt less somewhat organized with a unified whole.
arguably correct. After reading this,I´ve had to give a few spins in my head about the feel of both seasons and I see where you are coming from with this mindset. Episodes like Slice of Life, 28 Pranks Later or even something as spare like The Cart Before The Ponies didn´t add anything to the table in terms of interesting stuff that lead somewhere else but to throw things at the wall to see what sticks.

I find it certainly arguable because keep in mind that in those seasons, the yaks were introduced and the dragons, the griffons and especially the changelings were reintroduced all over again, so the expansion of the map did occur around those seasons. Not only them but also Las Pegasus and Dolores´s village debuted as well so in terms of refreshing and standardizing them, those seasons did their part.

>Pre Lore Seasons:Season 1,Season 2.
>These Seasons set the foundation but the lore and intentions where only there for some elements not in service of a hard unified continuity (I'd say that be arguable for the series in most places as the continuity is more mid level).
while they have episodes that explain the backstories of the mane 6 (Cutie Mark Chronicles) and even how the union of the three pony races happened (Heart´s Warming Eve), both openers (The Return of Harmony and Friendship is Magic) rely on lore to explain both villains, the introduction of Daring Do´s universe or even get a slice of non pony creatures in certain episodes, the impact isn´t reflected in the arc of any of those seasons at all and you wouldn´t notice what would happen from one episode the other. Perhaps the biggest turning point of these two seasons was when Twilight decides no longer to write letter to Celestia all the time so the last two minutes of each episode wouldn´t spend the time in summarizing the moral (Lesson Zero) . This turning point might not be reflected instantly but allows to have more freedom and expand on more experimental direction that would pay off later.


Anon 04/05/2020 (Sun) 22:13:35 [Preview] No.5710 del
>>5704
>Can Not Decide.
>Season 8 has a more unified story but a lot of the elements didn't seem to be as unified well with the rest of the show. Perhaps at times not as well thought out (them never having a backstory for Cozy). Yet there is arguably build up and stuff around the school that they were intending to build up next season (Halo-Twi). Season 8 still had to partly contend with Season 7's story but it was more of something they had to get out of the way rather than build on it.
this one is a weird case. I consider the 8th season as the normalization of the entire map of Equestria (like it happened to the Everfree Forest in season 4, fearful and strange first and then, became a typical place to visit) and focuses heavily on integrating all the parts of the entire world into one place and using them indifferently for any story. It still has its expansions like Mt Aris/Seaquestria (implying that one doesn´t take the movie into account),Saddle Arabia, the Kirin´s Village or even visit the mentioned Tartarus in its entirety, not to mention that the school itself held a hideout. They focus more on the traditions of the species and more on social commentary.

However, I understand why one would rank this season lower than the 7th season and it manages to scrap the entire build up of the pillars all of a sudden and except for a couple of episodes, their arc vanished completely. Cozy Glow is certainly confusing because if we knew about her origins, her twist wouldn´t work that well but that doesn´t justify the lack of her defined backstory like other villains had.

I would rank it somewhere in the middle,in a subcategory of lore under the top two....and you cannot call it exactly a fan service one either because the school wasn´t well received in certain parts of the community.

>Season 9:There was a story arch for sure but it wasn't something that was fully unfolding in a all the pieces combined storyline like 4 or 7.
indeed, it was a subtler arc that didn´t follow a strong pattern except for the feeling of moving on in an abroad sense throughout the season. It introduced Grogar´s hideout and the villain´s arc for the bell that held ancient powers but many of the episodes came back to the slice of life style and it didn´t introduce much that we didn´t already know. Perhaps the events that happened in the Everfree Forest (cockatrices, The Tree of Harmony) and the myth around the Great Seedling could count as something refreshing but this season didn´t have time to introduce anything else.

>Yet one could argue that is better for lore than those. There also was Season 8's storyline which had been contended with, but it wasn't as swept aside so much as background presence with one aborted plotline (Halo Twi and the Tree house). Also there was a mad dash for fanservice.
except for Twilight´s arc, I believe that the 9th season just stopped at introducing new things, packing the old ones up and using them at its convenience. This one could lean more towards the 5th season/6th season category but I could understand that both S8 and S9 could be seen together in this regard.

>Season 3:Hardest to choose. It had buddings of a unified lore for such a short season, yet it also was being done in fan service. One could also make the case that it is either the weakest lore season or a non lore season with lore and fanservice as a more thinly spread butter.
yeah, this is the odd one. Nonetheless it introduced two relevant things: the alicorn concept (which existed before but it wasn´t all that well defined until Magic Duel and the finale) and especially, the Crystal Empire, where the Equestria Games arc would start for the 4th season. Perhaps the mirror pool counts but it only appeared counted times after the debut and if we took the finale seriously, we would start asking contradictory questions so we´d better not consider it as something really solid to hold on. As for the rest, the lore was less present than in the first two seasons...I have to agree with this one.


Anon 04/05/2020 (Sun) 22:31:06 [Preview] No.5712 del
>>5706
>That was supposed to be a link to the song Maniac by for the fikm Flashdance. The link works for me. Is it blocked there? I just used it to joke about a certain villain.
oh very clever. Very very clever. I see what you did there. *rolls eyes*

Except for the Zager and Evans´ hit, I have listened to these songs to death and I didn´t even need 5 seconds to recognize this one. And yes, for some reason the video was blocked which looks weird honestly.

>Not the biggest fan of it but that series is a bit more than meets the eye at first glance even if I don't like a lot of the humor. I will speak more on it later.
alright.


Anon 04/06/2020 (Mon) 06:37:22 [Preview] No.5713 del
>>5708
>oh God the discussion of what´s canon or not. I mean, I simply put the entire gen 4 under canon, EQG as a spin off (except for the sirens because they also appeared in the show bcause they are interconnected) and the comics as complementary additional material. About special content/episodes, they also count as canon.

Simple rational answer. Two reasons why I go through this is: 1) There is sometimes things that have changed/implications that were removed from season to season so in viewing the canon as one whole I do want to try to decide what is the most "rational" view to certain details as canon. 2) In making legitimate more conservative theories I feel that it would be just as important to look at the intent and mentality at the time. Hence why Celestia being a tyrant would be impossible in Season 1 but some darker meanings in Season 5 or 7 being an actual intention of the writers. Additionally, I think some sort of "weight" could be applied to Seasons and more background details based on this.

>>5710
>I consider the 8th season as the normalization of the entire map of Equestria
That is a very good point.

>.and you cannot call it exactly a fan service one either because the school wasn´t well received in certain parts of the community.
Another point is that lore in itself is arguably fan service. Perhaps the lore in itself is an arbitrary designation? After all, Season 7 was technically a fanfic almost toward the end bringing all these elements into play. What I mean with Lore I mean that the Season has the most organized story where I think they were planning both forward and back. You wouldn't say the Spike being gone on royal business back in Season 1 would have much thought out behind it but in Season 7 A Health of Information arguably has a fair bit.
>>5712
>oh very clever. Very very clever. I see what you did there. *rolls eyes*
Legitimate source. Man'iac is indeed one and she could probably dance weird with her mane.

>And yes, for some reason the video was blocked which looks weird honestly.
That's odd.

Well that's the gist of things. It's gotten late. So I'll be off BUT:
>>5707
I did not ban this user. So it was either part of the joke or a global admin actually did something.


Anon 04/06/2020 (Mon) 23:19:11 [Preview] No.5714 del
>>5713
>1) There is sometimes things that have changed/implications that were removed from season to season so in viewing the canon as one whole I do want to try to decide what is the most "rational" view to certain details as canon.
makes sense considering that not all ideas paid off in the end so the objective of this ranking is to establish what has made the biggest impact in this regard.

>2) In making legitimate more conservative theories I feel that it would be just as important to look at the intent and mentality at the time.
considering that there are new fans joining into the community after the show ended, they will have a more neutral viewpoint, not getting stuck into one seasons or period and have the access to everything without waiting between the hiatuses. I suppose that in a certain point, the clash of biased opinions vs the ones that saw the show in a row will eventually happen.

>Hence why Celestia being a tyrant would be impossible in Season 1 but some darker meanings in Season 5 or 7 being an actual intention of the writers.
yet we stick with season 1 standard´s. Daybreaker´s concept however completely changed the perspective of what tyranny she could have applied in her monarchy.

>Additionally, I think some sort of "weight" could be applied to Seasons and more background details based on this.
season 1 gains more weight but because there is an unexpected second life of the world established. I talk mostly about characters/species but in terms of lore, I am certainly more clueless without putting any example onto the table.

>Another point is that lore in itself is arguably fan service.
ufff, this topic involves a very grey zone of the concept of fanservice. EQD wrote an article about it and:

https://www.equestriadaily.com/2018/01/top-10-things-we-wished-for-that.html

The addition of lore stayed in an honorable mention (though I cannot tell what standards Seth had in his mind while typing the words of this article). So despite looking subjective of a certain time, lore counts as fan service (though I have a conflict with it because the show adapts it and makes it mundane quite quick so that lore becomes the baseline for other episodes).

Also,solo episodes about Celestia herself were seen as a top thing for fanservice. I didn´t imagine that an episode like Celestial Advice or A Royal Porblem would happen and I was hesitating a lot as soon as I saw that she got a bigger prominence in that episode. That was truly alien before for me.

>Perhaps the lore in itself is an arbitrary designation?
good question. A really needed one by the way.


Anon 04/06/2020 (Mon) 23:42:22 [Preview] No.5715 del
>>5713
>Season 7 was technically a fanfic almost toward the end bringing all these elements into play. What I mean with Lore I mean that the Season has the most organized story where I think they were planning both forward and back. You wouldn't say the Spike being gone on royal business back in Season 1 would have much thought out behind it but in Season 7 A Health of Information arguably has a fair bit.
indeed. In fact, I recall you mentioning that the standards of the latest seasons were a wet dream in the first seasons, yet what happened in season 7 didn´t catch us off guard because the tone of the show gradually changed towards other directions.

We were used to seeing laser beam fights or premieres/finales with a build up that included lore so one could dream what would be the reaction from the fanbase if the 2nd half of season 7 happened in 2010/11.

A fanfic for the golden era but an ordinary series of events for the standards developed over time. Funnily enough, the background ponies in Slice of Life acknowledge without shivering the appearance of a bugbear, meaning that the world itself has grown used to experiencing the unusual events that at first, they would be scaremongering about it in season 1.

Compare it to the fear that they displayed towards Zecora in Bridle Gossip for example, the innocence is gone because of the repeated magical events and Zecora seemed like a stranger or even a villain (because of her spookiness and mysterious vibe) when in A Health of Information she works as the essential plot device for driving Fluttershy´s quest and introduce Meadowbrook´s story.

Another change of mindset for the Everfree Forest as well despite repeating it again. This has happened both the community and for the world itself, meaning that the writers translated that growth into the universe subtly until the point of almost seeing two different series while staying the same at its core.

The extraordinary turned out to be the norm for everyone. Simply by comparing the cute nature of innocence and the fear of the unknown that one draws from the first season should serve as a sign how much everything has changed over time.

>Man'iac is indeed one and she could probably dance weird with her mane.
while reading this, I have envisioned the scene itself. It wouldn´t take much effort in the brain to imagine how it would go.

>I did not ban this user. So it was either part of the joke or a global admin actually did something.
oh so you didn´t actually do it. /endpone/ might have two or more users behind that are lurking without making much noise, including volunteers.

If you are reading this post, I just wanted to say hi.


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 01:17:41 [Preview] No.5716 del
I've been giving a few more spins about what could be seen as fanservice and what tells the lore from the fanservice.

I think for example about Discord, the character himself is fanservice because some fans have seen TNG and love how the portrayal of Q is delivered and he brings lore onto the table with his origins of a draconequus that has lived for an entire milennia but could any episode about him be qualified as fanservice (for example Discordant Harmony)? Nonetheless,he served to display Grogar, who counted as fanservice back in the day,so we would be talking about two layers of fanservice in one character (many brains would explode here)

Same applies to hippogriffs or kirins. At first they were seen as mythical creatures that in the books,they displayed something unusual for the ponies (the first weren't seen for a long time and were thought to be nonexistent while the latter were seen as scary because they had a dark side,the Niriks) and after their introduction,that exposed lore becomes a reality,quite practical and the myths translate into the usual characteristics expected from them,becoming mundane instead of legendary after staying for a while with them.

As for season 7,Starswirl represented for the fans and the show the greatest unicorn that would get close to know about the roots of this universe. That was right and Twilight looked up to him before meeting him,so many stories and mysticism behind him. He became real and we saw a legend reborn yet Twilight's illusions were absolutely torn apart and the fanservice. and lore paid off in Shadow Play.

However,does this mean that Starswirl by himself was pure fanservice? Sure but did anyone expect him to act that way or even act like he did in Friendship Academy?

I ask this because what fans have wanted to see was more material or X character getting an episode. Undefined content about them but more about them despite the direction put on practice.

I wanted to make clear about the concept and how the lines of lore actually count as lore and what counts as basic traits for the show in later episodes. The Everfree Forest,so mysterious and made you wonder what secrets were beyond that place,what made it so scary. Uh,there are cockatrices, timberwolves or even the chimera. There are reasons to make it scary...but not in the way that ponies imagined.

It showed lore but over time,it simply turned out to wors as a means to an end because the most interesting stuff arose later and peaked with the Tree of Harmony and the Castle of the Two Sisters and even those suffered the same treatment as the forest. All the mysticism around them and over the course of the seasons became usual places to visit (especially for the students and the mane 6) that the lore behind them just became either mundane or more familiar to the characters,so much that they adapted it as another home.

I hope you can see where I am going with this.


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 01:32:34 [Preview] No.5717 del
Visual examples of lore translated into down to earth characteristics throughout the show:

Mysticism/legendary presentation of a species in the first picture and the actual reason behind that mode presented inside the slice of life story (it happens within the same episode yet the formula of transformation stays untouched)

3rd picture: secrets hidden in a castle of the two royal sisters that could explain the roots of this world (and it does deliver that).

4th picture: the castle becomes a frequent place to visit and despite its history, it turns into a strategical place for typical slice of life stories.


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 02:01:57 [Preview] No.5718 del
don't get me wrong, I believe that your ranking is correct and in that regard,it can perfectly applied. There was more lore introduced after the Twilight's new status as an alicorn and both S4 and S7 did contribute the most.

However,I intended to express that despite the quanitities of lore introdcued,they became more practical or subtle enough to work as another element for a slice of life episode (that in other series would be seen as filler) and even the characters change the lore because of their actions or even gets lost within time (it doesn't diminish their relevancy on the show though).

Season 8 (and to a lesser degree,the 9th season)is perhaps the biggest turning point at bringing everything together into one pack,making it less weird for everyone and encourages to move forward as if nothing happened despite all the advancements brought in the middle of the process. Between Dusk and Dawn (the song especially) represents the biggest culmination of what I am trying to convey here.

Sure there was more lore to exploit out there but the quantities looked minor in comparison because there was not much else to discover beyond what we got and those new introductions felt like little drops of fresh water into a fully defined ocean so familiar for everyone that felt like home. So diverse yet so typical to see every single day.

Having said this,I think that I am ready to say good night to this board.

Sleep well!


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 04:36:15 [Preview] No.5719 del
>>5716
>>5717
>>5718
> All the mysticism around them and over the course of the seasons became usual places to visit (especially for the students and the mane 6) that the lore behind them just became either mundane or more familiar to the characters,so much that they adapted it as another home.
This maybe one of the strongest points you have ever made, period. Both in universe and out. In universe the characters get used to what would be a threat or something spooky and from an out of universe perspective those places and concepts just being assimilate for later use for a setting for SoL stories because that is still mostly was the show's nature.

>4th picture: the castle becomes a frequent place to visit and despite its history, it turns into a strategical place for typical slice of life stories.
I think the castle itself was in part just not used much after Season 4 and during its SoL stories in that season it still had an air of mysteriousness applied then only being treated with that true mudaneness after the introduction of the students. Your point still applies of course.

>(it doesn't diminish their relevancy on the show though).
Indeed it doesn't. Those events still happened even if the subtext is changed later.

>Having said this,I think that I am ready to say good night to this board.
I think you are!

>Sleep well!
You too! and to the rest of the lurkers and sometimes posters!


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 05:09:09 [Preview] No.5720 del
>>5714
>considering that there are new fans joining into the community after the show ended, they will have a more neutral viewpoint, not getting stuck into one seasons or period and have the access to everything without waiting between the hiatuses.
That will be interesting to track. If there is enough of them I wonder if I split/different faction will form? At least certain patterns that can be found.

>>5715
>The extraordinary turned out to be the norm for everyone. Simply by comparing the cute nature of innocence and the fear of the unknown that one draws from the first season should serve as a sign how much everything has changed over time.
It is interesting isn't it? Perhaps it could even be applied to part of my criticism of the world feeling too small over the later seasons. I don't hold this as strong as some as I consider us lucky that we got what got. I'll have to do more thinking on this.

>We were used to seeing laser beam fights or premieres/finales with a build up that included lore so one could dream what would be the reaction from the fanbase if the 2nd half of season 7 happened in 2010/11.
Considering my thoughts to A Canterlot Wedding: "Wow this is pretty violent and adventurous for our TV-Y rated little girls show to sell toys." I bet it be awe (and perhaps a little controversy if we count the fact that some thought Season 2 was too much even before the final).

>while reading this, I have envisioned the scene itself. It wouldn´t take much effort in the brain to imagine how it would go.
Pony dance but with her mane?? Spiderish dance?


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 05:13:23 [Preview] No.5721 del
It seems like somepony else got derprolled. There is enough hits for it even if I take into account bots there still could be another 1 or 2 people. I only clicked once... Howdy endponelurkers!


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 21:38:20 [Preview] No.5722 del
>>5721
>There is enough hits for it even if I take into account bots there still could be another 1 or 2 people.

eeeyup, that shitpost with the ban that accompanied it implied that there were more and here we have the proof. Just wanted to quote a very famous quote from a certain band:

[spoiler]>Hello? Hello? Hello?
>Is there anybody in there?
>Just nod if you can hear me
>Is there anyone at home?
>Come on now
>I hear you're feeling down
>Well I can ease your pain
>Get you on your feet again
>Relax [/spoiler]

>>5720
>Pony dance but with her mane?? Spiderish dance?
imagine a breakdance with her mane, something like that, spinning her body with her hair as support for those moves, like pic related.


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 22:09:29 [Preview] No.5723 del
>>5719
>If there is enough of them I wonder if I split/different faction will form? At least certain patterns that can be found.
perhaps the biggest clash could happen to a place that we all know: /mlp/. Eeeeyup, considering how a certain faction of the posters around there are so hermetic, they are going to several conflicts or silent changes of opinion over time. However, even by being the most reluctant, they only bash the most recent seasons but I don´t hear them saying barely anything negative towards Sunset nor Dolores so this board, despite its looks, certainly changes in mindset behind the shitposts. So probably those nostalgic fans will be counted in an irregular manner, without a defined faction in any specific place. If you know about a place/ or social fan circle more reluctant than them, I am all ears because I am only predicting from the info that I personally know.

>Perhaps it could even be applied to part of my criticism of the world feeling too small over the later seasons. I don't hold this as strong as some as I consider us lucky that we got what got. I'll have to do more thinking on this.
I completely understand that. In fact, whenever the show expands itself, the more one realizes that the world is a village. It even happened in history for ourselves. In the 15th/16th century, America was the hottest thing ever, as if we saw a new world and now, in the 21st century, it feels more like: "what is the new headline again? Can you bring something else?" mindset.

Same here in Equestria. I am actually going to post a few more examples tonight about this after finishing the replies of your posts.

>"Wow this is pretty violent and adventurous for our TV-Y rated little girls show to sell toys." I bet it be awe (and perhaps a little controversy if we count the fact that some thought Season 2 was too much even before the final).
because keep in mind that MLP was facing more stigma than it does nowadays (it hasn´t disappeared but the fanbase has made huge efforts to fight against and everyone knows nowadays that MLP is one of a kind). Seeing that conflict against the changelings would feel indeed like the greatest thing ever because it was fresh for the standards expected form the show. However, they kept pushing the limits and A Canterlot Wedding became less impressive because Twilight vs Tirek happened, The Cutie Map happened, fights against huge monsters or spells of enormous levels of magic happened in slice of life episodes (Three´s A Crowd and Inspiration Manifestation respectively)...so yeah, the show went so many times there that repeating it again and again changed its tone gradually.

I will say though that watching A Canterlot Wedding could feel more unsettling and strange than watching To Change a Changeling, despite the latter occurring in a very far away place from Ponyville. How did that feeling of being at home managed to happen? Familiarity and overexposure with the species that served for more slice of life material (redemption included)

No wonder one starts to ask questions towards what show one is exactly watching because what was promised at first might not deliver later what they displayed apparently (seeing these two images without context look truly contradictory)


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 22:27:28 [Preview] No.5724 del
I meant the post >>5723 for >>5720

Anyway,

>>5719
>This maybe one of the strongest points you have ever made, period.
after discussing deeply two seasons along with you extensively, I believe that it was bound to happen something solid in the middle of these discussions. Thanks.
I still can mention more examples (my method to analyze and illustrate what I think requires specific examples, I need to go a little bit with the inductive hypothesis here) of that evolution and how lore is portrayed in this show (not lore explicitly but within its context and purposes to use it).

>In universe the characters get used to what would be a threat or something spooky
exactly. Zecora and The Everfree Forest are the clearest examples to put on the table for coming up with this thesis. You notice how the interactions from the cute innocent ponies that wandered around Ponyville would stay in their pinkish world yet in the following season, they react less impressed towards those weird events that shouldn´t normally happen in theory but they have adapted a mindset that those situations could happen at anytime. So in the end, you don´t see much fear in their faces anymore (and Fluttershy by herself exposes that fearful feeling for a brave one over time. A Health of Information happened because of her maturity).

>from an out of universe perspective those places and concepts just being assimilate for later use for a setting for SoL stories because that is still mostly was the show's nature.
nailed it. If you want to see more of X place, for example the hive, it means that you want to see more content of Thorax or Pharynx, same applies to the Dragonlands with Ember, Smolder or Spike, or whatever...but if you want to visit any weird place that contained lore at first, it means that the lore will run out and as soon that state arrives, all you can extract from it will rely on the characters and some of them are entailed for certain settings.

Perhaps the changeling serve as the greatest example of a 180 turn from their debut to their state from season 6 onwards.


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 22:43:15 [Preview] No.5725 del
>>5719
>I think the castle itself was in part just not used much after Season 4 and during its SoL stories in that season it still had an air of mysteriousness applied then only being treated with that true mudaneness after the introduction of the students. Your point still applies of course.
I perfectly knew that I omitted the fact that the show didn´t revisit the Castle until the 8th season (the Tree of Harmony was seen again in Shadow Play though). However, as soon as they decided to continue with it,we saw what happened when the students decided to go there.


>Indeed it doesn't. Those events still happened even if the subtext is changed later.
despite the mundane feeling brought later, the fact that those places have hold prominence over time means that the stories behind them were still relevant. My theory of what lore matters or not depends on the screentime given to that. This means that each time a pillar appears, you will instantly remember their lore because you ask where they came from.

Despite the tree of Harmony becoming a crystallized treehouse and more familiar, you remember inside your head how relevant it is because of its presence in the show, those amounts of lore that runs inside its branches. No matter how much the legend or the mysticism present was in that place, that lore is attached to what it represents and how it marks the next directions for the show. So, it´s more like talking about layers that compose its history. Originally meant as a sacred place for the royal sisters and then, ending up as a huge plot device for other relevant events that surpasses its original intent.

You have posted the Pony of Shadows from Castle-mania and funnily enough, those eyes didn´t mean anything at the time except the spooky feeling a la Scooby Doo. However, the writers went ahead with it and that subtle spookiness became the central point of the latter half of season 7. From a spook ending out of nowhere to the darkness that Sytgian held inside towards the pillars long ago, introducing even a comic arc like Legends of Magic.

That´s a huge stretch and with lots of lore galore because of that single moment.


Anon 04/07/2020 (Tue) 23:16:06 [Preview] No.5726 del
Now, I want you to go further with the concept of lore and how this show adapts it to its normalization. Let me present to you the biggest (or at least one of the greatest candidates) middle finger and anti lore character/moment of the entire series.

Again, do we have to talk about seaponies? YES but related to your question of lore.

Imagine that you are introducing a new species, a new place that inherently carries so much potential for lore and unanswered questions of its existence. Okay, so let´s imply that we are watching the movie for the first time and...

how do we (the fans) and the mane 6 see Mount Aris for the first time? Spooky,abandoned, a mysterious aura surrounds it, lots of questions arise and even a slight sense of uncertainty might be conveyed at first during its build up. This is messed up, quite unfamiliar and we´ll need lots of time to digest this. Uh this looks interesting, I wonder what happened, let´s see...and how does it turn out in the end?

Now, watch out, they introduce Skystar as the first character to meet there and her proactive positive attitude serves as an icebreaker of familiarity all of a sudden, no hostility to be found. She is the biggest anti lore example of this that boosts the turn from the unknown to the most familiar place to visit. So what was the secret behind what we saw before?

It goes like this (not actually her words but they sum up the whole situation): "Oh hi, you are my newest friends. Now I am not going to get bored anymore" Then she actually explains the entire lore to you and the whole story behind them: "We are the hippogriffs but we had to move away because the Storm King attacked us so we became the seaponies with the help of a pearl to transform ourselves and now we live in Seaquestria instead. Oh and I am the princess and my mother is the Queen".

And that was it. Their entire lore exposed and the mysterious aura gone and on top of that, a huge musical party happens within the entire place that had little to envy to other parties from Ponyville or Canterlot. No lore was hidden anymore and conflict relied in a slice of life manner instead of lore´s buildup. How much time has happened between the first exposure up to the upbeat party?

AROUND 5 MINUTES! FIVE!

GG Well played. This case serves to prove how something so fresh and mysterious can become so familiar in a record time. You got the lore but it transformed into something so essential/basic that it became the simple logic for how the whole thing worked.

This exemplifies how FIM not only eats up the lore but sometimes the show DEVOURS and digests the lore SO FAST that the newest introductions also have to add slice of life conflicts that you would expect from Ponyville. Either you introduce more lore to it or they have to rely on the characters themselves in order to be entertaining. This is why kirins or the seaponies were so liked, you see their appreciation because of Autumn Blaze, Skystar or Silverstream rather than stop and think about their backstories.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 00:28:07 [Preview] No.5727 del
So as we can see, that process of normalization varies depending on the case but every time they expand the map or seems like they moving forward, that new addition becomes so natural that it gets integrated and serves as the baseline to add something else.

This process doesn´t always imply a good thing because again, we would end up relying if the moral/message and the story exposed is good enough to stand by itself, so lore becomes more like that bonus whose purpose is to spark more interest and something out of what we are used to experience. However, this effect is like drinking coffee for the first time and suffer the effects of caffeine within your body, the show carries such a down to earth nature that it no longer excites you for what it brings behind so the characters are what have to sell you in the episode. or sometimes the lore is so scattered among those "filler episodes" (hint: nothing can be seen as filler, everything counts) that they don´t feel any impressive nor worthy of a scream from the audience. While it´s true that some twists like Grogar, the destruction of the tree of Harmony or the first changelings´appearance would leave the mouths open for a moment, the show exposes a tomorrow.

What I mean with the previous example and all these explanations is that this show feels worldly because of that excess of exposure that other franchises might not take that far. This is nothing new nor FIM stands as a pioneer in this regard but the mindset of constantly going through conflicts and more conflicts undermine the rest.

So this amount of paragraphs have the intention to exhibit how the lore becomes relevant becomes those characters or places become relevant by getting more screentime. You could get a very interesting character, species or place with tons of lore but if it doesn´t work for the next episode or stand the test of time, that lore will become more relevant.

This means that if I am focusing on these species is because the students appear later.

Why for example am I not discussing about the breezies and their village or places like the Smokey Mountains? Because they didn´t appear beyond the one off episode given for them yet whenever a pillar or a student appears, I have to keep in mind where that character comes from so their lore gains more relevancy because of the amount of their presence alone, no matter the quantity there is behind their existence. Could I say the same for the kirins? Nope because as you can see in pic related, they took part in the ending and so their importance took another level because of their presence in the final battle.

My mind has the criteria to establish the preferences at what lore holds more "canon values" that drive other episodes and so, what lore is what stays in my brain the longest and what comes first to think about when it comes to its discussion.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 00:47:00 [Preview] No.5728 del
Sorry if I derailed a bit the thread to my own territory but by indirectly explaining the concept of lore is how I handle it the best for your answer and I need examples or specific reference in order to debate it (induced hypothesis).

I could go further and explain why the excessive normalization could make the new things more boring than the established material or how the places that we are used to seeing so much in the show hide lore without noticing it at all yet a mysterious aura that wasn´t there, without making much noise,hold secrets or uncommon feelings that were built up because of certain mundane stories that made those elements more powerful than the first time they were introduced (basically the reverse process of normalization: the mystification).

I might sound crazy or insane with the latter but trust me, this trend actually exists in this show (pic related is one of those examples).

I´ll stop here and leave it for the next replies.

And so...in the meantime,keep posting because...


hey, the mods are asleep.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 06:58:44 [Preview] No.5729 del
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>>5728
>Sorry if I derailed a bit the thread to my own territory but by indirectly explaining the concept of lore is how I handle it the best for your answer and I need examples or specific reference in order to debate it (induced hypothesis).
Derail the thread!? This is right in the thread's topic. I fully get having to cite stuff. It's probably better that way!

I could go further and explain why the excessive normalization could make the new things more boring than the established material or how the places that we are used to seeing so much in the show hide lore without noticing it at all yet a mysterious aura that wasn´t there, without making much noise,hold secrets or uncommon feelings that were built up because of certain mundane stories that made those elements more powerful than the first time they were introduced (basically the reverse process of normalization: the mystification).
You can wait for me to reply to a couple of points here or you can go on without me if I take a couple of days. Your call. Right now I'm trying to find one fic that if my memory serves me is somewhat relevant to your's (at least I wanted to compare them). If I can't I'll go on and finish the review without it.

>>5726
>This exemplifies how FIM not only eats up the lore but sometimes the show DEVOURS and digests the lore SO FAST that the newest introductions also have to add slice of life conflicts that you would expect from Ponyville.
One point here that I can make quick: the one defense here is that this was being done with a movie mindset of exposition.It is separate from the show and done doesn't want to overload audiences with lore as so much as have a entertaining adventure from point A to point's B and C. Though it is a partial one since it is arguable that it made the movie a bit weaker and other movies put background stuff that they desperately try to attach meaning to all the time.

>I might sound crazy or insane with the latter but trust me, this trend actually exists in this show (pic related is one of those examples).
I think I can think of a couple of mid tier ones, but I am honestly curious if you have something that I haven't seen or have but articulated real well (like a lot of this thread).

>And so...in the meantime,keep posting because...
You heard dash.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 07:00:34 [Preview] No.5730 del
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>>5728
Wait. Mods are asleep... but aren't I the mod? Does that mean that this picture applies? I'm so confused.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 08:40:45 [Preview] No.5731 del
>>5729
>Derail the thread!? This is right in the thread's topic. I fully get having to cite stuff. It's probably better that way!
well, perfect then. Because all you have to do is to simply read this and you know, reply at the parts you feel like answering.

>You can wait for me to reply to a couple of points here or you can go on without me if I take a couple of days. Your call.
I believe that I am trying today to finish the whole thing because a lot has been floating inside my mind so I feel like I am ready to spit it out even though I have to improvise a bit while typing it.

>I'm trying to find one fic that if my memory serves me is somewhat relevant to your's (at least I wanted to compare them). If I can't I'll go on and finish the review without it.
fair enough, then I continue with this series of replies.

>the one defense here is that this was being done with a movie mindset of exposition.It is separate from the show and done doesn't want to overload audiences with lore as so much as have a entertaining adventure from point A to point's B and C. Though it is a partial one since it is arguable that it made the movie a bit weaker and other movies put background stuff that they desperately try to attach meaning to all the time.
you´ve got a point there and considering how many times the staff has had to change ideas, concepts or entire scripts behind the process of the movie, keeping things simple perhaps was the most effective to satisfy everyone. You do well in replying this to me.

However, that lore is all that was needed for the future material related to them in the next episodes of the show. Sure they tried to add their hobby of going through the seas like pirates but that mostly stayed as a really minor setup for a joke.

I´ve got to concede your point but still, it´s the quickest and most notable example to put out there for explaining a normalization coming altogether in such a short amount of time (probably the shortest at that along with the kirins). They display all the requirements for mysterious lore, direct explanation to the viewer and move onto down to earth problems. I could have posted Klugetown as well but that place doesn´t manage to receive as much spotlight as the southern location nor it follows the formula of normalization that I am exposing throughout these posts.

>I am honestly curious if you have something that I haven't seen or have but articulated real well (like a lot of this thread).
I feel like the exposition of this topic feels like a political rally and my arguments and words have to be chosen skillfully at that. Just that I am not going to stress you with politics (dear god no) here but many characteristics of the way I am articulating this...I learned most of them because of excessive exposure to it and now I feel like I am an expert in this topic when I could have much less info than you or any lurker out there. All this is simply displayed in a strategical way with some improvisation. I still have to set up my mind a little bit how to illustrate what I said before but again, I have ventured myself for that, so here it is.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 08:50:06 [Preview] No.5732 del
>>5729
>You heard dash.
>Wait. Mods are asleep... but aren't I the mod? Does that mean that this picture applies? I'm so confused.
you know that very famous expression of a game (memed to death by the way) from a particular franchise whose first game was made in 1996 (1998 in the US) and this sentence appeared in the middle of a battle and it said:

"(So confused that) It hurt itself in its confusion"

You are the board owner so this whole situation makes it kind of special and exclusive to your case and not to the average mod.

Oh boy, the contradictions start springing up for ya.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 09:21:57 [Preview] No.5733 del
Anyway, now I have to hold my breath for the next explanations.

So I mentioned before this: >>5728
>the excessive normalization could make the new things more boring than the established material

and I have a peculiar case to expose and...Again with Rainbow Roadtrip? Am I here to bash it again eternally? Look I did that before and I am not here to display that I am absolutely correct here (those can enjoy it, it´s perfect, no problem for me). This topic is meant to serve a purpose and prove how lore is used here and how this thesis applies to this example.

So possible controversies aside, why Rainbow Roadtrip and Hope Hollow?

Well,everything has a limit even in this show and probably the huge expansion of the map was so big that more additions could feel average when if this had been added in the first seasons, it would have received more hype.

This happens to Hope Hollow and you know, it follows more or less the formula of Mt. Aris or Seaquestria but as you said >>5729
here, they only spent 10 minutes and went from point A to point B, so the slice of life part was really short and the plot moved on.

The problem with hope Hollow is based on the fact that the transformation that it follow in the interest towards it:

In the first few minutes, you get the same impression as Mount Aris did in the movie and you start to ask yourself: "Uh, I wonder what has happened here", you have your mind prepared for what´s about to come and get explained, ready for the lore behind this place and...

it happens in the same way that Skystar did, just that it was more dragged and their entire mystery was entirely explained after the Mayor narrated the problem with a song. So the lore has been put aside for it, Hope Hollow has nothing else to offer and we face a slice of life problem in a new location that was getting its debut in the franchise.

From there, the special had to rely on the interactions between the characters, its message and the moral because all its lore was boiled down that the town was grey because the mayor used the device to an excessive level. For an episode of 22 minutes, this would have worked nicely but for an entire hour, you need more than that. More lore behind and twist (or subtle foreshadowing like The Cutie Map for example) towards the last third of the special could have made it more entertaining and create a greater impact.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 09:47:40 [Preview] No.5734 del
Its ordinary nature doesn´t rely exclusively on that. It could have managed to cause a greater impact like a seemingly boring place like the Crystal Empire and its crystal ponies.

Just that the Crystal Empire is memorable because of how many episodes it has appeared in the show, how different the setting looked in comparison to the rest of Equestria and how it has gained slowly more spotlight with different plots (Equestria Games, Sunburst, Thorax appearance, Flurry Heart...). The location might not be the most interesting one but it slowly displayed more layers to its track record.

But the problem doesn´t end there because the concept of the rainbow isn´t exclusive to that place. Before getting there, we had seen Cloudsdale and Rainbow Falls before in the show. So this means that its entire lore depended on the concept of bringing happiness and harmony to the town by recoloring the entire place. Its lore was also the entire point but it happens that this plot device was seen before in many episodes so it overlaps the whole thing to something not only familiar, but also overdone in the past. If there were more layers of lore behind it, it would end up with much more interesting results.

So, what additional issue does Hope Hollow have? Basically the single fact that the special was contained there: only in the special and nothing else despite expanding the map. None of the characters which were seen there appear in the finale nor in any other way in the show (or even the comics so far) so their impact gets greatly reduced. The location is summed up in that single special. If it appeared (or any of the new characters) in another episode in the show (like Mount Aris/Seaquestria did after their debut in the movie), then they would have received more impact or a bigger legacy than this.

This last paragraph makes the huge difference in the end. People might have considered The Crystal Empire boring in its debut but over time, it escalated positions silently. Hope Hollow didn´t receive that treatment beyond its debut (and it came really late), there weren´t any more secrets or reasons to discover it beyond its main conflict.

And so, the lack of lore or uniqueness entailed to review the entire thing directly from the interactions or characters themselves or the Slice of Life story exposed for one hour. In that regard, the reviews were written in the S9 thread, I am not going to repeat them here.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 10:31:51 [Preview] No.5735 del
So, after posting this, does this mean that expanding the map of Equestria gets rid of the mysticism? Mostly yes, the myths gets exposed and put into practice. HOWEVER, never underestimate what you have known for years because the little things sometimes build greater mysticisms than the newest places to discover beyond the recondite locations of Equestria. The first case here is...

The Sweet Apple Acres.

What? Do you believe that I have lost my sanity? Let me explain why this laid back location has managed to build up more secrets than its debut.

You know, that laid back atmosphere where lots of episodes have happened around the Apple Family and several other episodes meant to take a break and remind you about the humble things...perhaps they teach you a secret or two.

Imagine that you didn´t know about the Apple family and imply for a moment that instead of being an ordinary family, they were sacred creatures...the amount of history and events that occurred there have been told for generations and the place has remained timeless throughout its entire existence. If the down to earth Apple family was replaced by ancient creatures, you would start wondering about this entire location all the time yet it´s so familiar that we forgot that its familiar concept backs up its entire point and holds its entire strength/purpose.

So mundane that it gained more points when the map was expanding itself, it reminds you how things are simpler there and despite all the changes and strange turns, how it manages to stay the same and keep its pure nature (even more than Ponyville). People get sad (and even dramatic) for missing the Treebrary because it vanished completely but do you know what hasn´t disappeared for a much longer period and will stay there for you all to appreciate it at anytime? This comfy place with the iconic barn.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 11:00:24 [Preview] No.5736 del
and now, do you believe that a mundane place of this level cannot hide mysticism around it?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uajuy2CLtso [Embed]

Look, the "lore" might not be as impressive as an ancient building with degraded stone but those dreams of seeing a magical Seedling made a child happy for a while and who knows if the story was true. We will never know but sometimes, some stories might have happened without noticing it while they were living their daily lives.

However, we all know that this location has worked for all the mundane plot devices imaginable for the Apple Family countless times but at some point, one sees a couple of stars in the door of your farm and stare at them, remembering that all the members have lived in it but you know somehow from the inside that some details are missing here...

and sadly, one doesn´t need an extraordinary myth in order to create a special aura, created both in season 7 and 9, just because of the two stars that AJ saw in Apple Family Reunion. All the family came together except for two specific members and now, one would imply that this tree is an average one like the rest...

but it was the last place where both AJ´s parents were seen and what makes the whole thing even more unsettling and paradoxical to it, the whole wedding between Big Mac and Sugar Belle happened in that same scenery, as if history had repeated itself all over again but with two different ponies, all the elements were there, like stars aligning themselves in a perfect manner.

This happened just before the finale and the whole wedding paid homage towards two members of the family that couldn´t be there present in order to see one of their children growing up and marrying to a unicorn (a non earth pony for the first time ever in the family) but it happened in that same place because the rest of the members knew that the parents lied there.

So the mundane nature became haunting because of a tradition and gained a special aura that you don´t anywhere but here because we all have seen the evolution of what that tree represents and what the Sweet Apple Acres hid beneath its apples...only to be revealed in the latest seasons of the show.

Listen, see the pictures and read this calmly. Take a seat and think in hindsight about it for a while...before reading about the next location.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 11:29:11 [Preview] No.5737 del
Now, after taking your time with the previous entry, here it comes the next one:

Canterlot.

Why does this place get a spot and not Appleloosa nor Cloudsdale? It´s simply because many episodes occurred in this city placed in the mountain and the time given for the other two just simply doesn´t compare (despite the huge changes of Appleloosa in at modernizing itself because of buckball).

Now, you are probably thinking, why Canterlot?

Apparently, it has always shown an outstanding design, meant for high class unicorns and the elites for the ponies. You would imply that the lore transmitted in this entry would involve the mysticism around Celestia and Luna.

Despite that awaited premise, surprisingly enough, for anyone who is reading this text, the lore described here doesn´t involve them (they are mentioned though). Prepare your surprised Pikachu reaction images because you are not expecting at all what I am going to say in the next paragraphs.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 12:02:10 [Preview] No.5738 del
There are several viewpoints to establish towards this place but one of them that people tend to forget is how its actual concept has managed to accomplish itself over time. I ask you a question here:

wasn´t this place inspired in Minas Tirith (Lord of the Rings) when Faust decided to design it? And indeed, it looks like the white city was replicated in terms of design....but it has also replicated its destruction and huge battles have happened in it as well.

Yes, this city has revived the entire concept of Tolkien´s idea because this place, like no other in Equestria, has been taken over in such wild ways that it leaves the 5th Avenue of New York shivering when it comes to apocalyptic situations. Do you remember the times that this place has been taken over?

>A Canterlot Wedding
>The Beginning of the End
>The Ending of the End
>The Movie (2017)

Those are the main ones but to an extent, To Where and Back Again and Princess Twilight Sparkle were episodes in which the princess kidnapped, Discord threatened Celestia and the Mane 6 in Return of Harmony or even the villain trio fooled the guards in The Summer Sun Setback. This place, despite its high class appearance at first sight, is nothing but boring because whenever you expect it the least,a whole army of changelings fly around it or a ship appears and in less than 5 minutes, the whole location becomes unrecognizable and works as the set up for the final boss. Not only that but it has had to be entirely rebuilt, changing the throne of the royal sisters in one of them.

This leaves us with unsettling ambients and images of pure chaos (especially in the movie). This city manages to exhibit the other side of the coin, darker than any other location and potentially in any other timeline,it would have worked a setting for battling RPG bosses in any video game. It could easily become the root of any possible dark force that takes it over.

Something tells me that one wouldn´t expect this to be exposed but eeeyup, its potential for becoming a post apocalyptic place is much easier than one believes at first sight and it fits horrifyingly (yet amazingly) well at that.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 12:23:33 [Preview] No.5739 del
but it doesn´t always consist in nightmares. The bright side of the coin has also brought a different tone for this place over the course of the show.

We talk about how it has slowly happened to be the high class meant for unicorns only to become not only mundane with it but the centerpiece of reuniting everyone together.

You know that the harmony was centered around Ponyville, where the three races of ponies joined together and lived in harmony.

Well, Canterlot has slowly transformed itself into that rainbow themed place where everyone has to visit at least once in their lifetime. It has become over time the worthy successor of Ponyville and indeed, it all started here with Twilight reading the book but the main events didn´t happen all that much until the visits from the mane 6 were more frequent and became the norm.

What astounds me the most about Canterlot is how versatile it is for anything really. One could set up any hypothetical situation around it and it would work nicely, from myths and nightmares (building up tons of lore if a villain conquered at some point) to the simplest slice of life story ending with a party.

Sure you could do this with Ponyville but the scenery that accompanies it is just breathtaking either way. You can go no wrong with it.

These two pictures reflect that if Ponyville didn´t exist, you wouldn´t miss it all that much because in the movie and in the finale, it displays what the tree of harmony showed before its destruction, without any elements of harmony for that.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 13:03:38 [Preview] No.5740 del
and now, last exercise before dealing with the last entry.

Look at these two pictures...

You know that something has happened between them, you know what is behind these two images.

And I believe that they speak for themselves and they don´t need words...


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 13:16:16 [Preview] No.5741 del
and so, last entry and my final take for the topic of lore. That place is...

...Ponyville...

what can I say about this one? What would one imply about the lore behind it? How has it gained more lore over time? Well, we have discussed about recondite places or mysterious locations that were created long ago (The Crystal Empire, The Tree of Harmony with the Castle of the Two Sisters...) and back and forth, all their lore was normalized...because of this place.

How does Ponyville have lore? One would ask and that´s a good question. You know, one of my favorite lyrics of all time say:

>All I want in life is a little bit of love
>To take the pain away
>Getting strong today
>A giant step each day

Perhaps too pessimistic for this explanation but it shows that the daily morals and messages transmitted add up to what builds a greater story within it. We all have desired to look for more lore, something that was unknown for Equestria and discover that piece of history, compile it and discuss it like no tomorrow and compare how cool it is, opening up to interpretations to the actions told of that piece of history in any book, painting, symbol, location, etc.

Now, how about this? What about not finding lore, but creating it for the next generations?

What I am saying here is that the centerpieces of lore...

are the mane 6 themselves


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 13:40:37 [Preview] No.5742 del
Yes, I said before that Canterlot managed to turn into the homeland for all parts of Equestria in the end but what place did that first?

Ponyville and not only the most unique things happened there, These were seemingly mundane events that altogether are quite hard to bare them at once and it pioneered everything that would become the norm later in the entire continent.

Because you know, we all have been trying to find answers in Celestia, Starswirl, the tree of Harmony and its elements....anything related to destiny and searching for a defined path to reach the maximum peak....but while looking for it, one didn´t notice that the magical aspect of it was the road at experiencing, not the final objective.

Those giants steps made each day only strengthen their track record, no matter how silly or innocent they were, they count as lore. And you ask:

How? How are all the lessons and episods related to the mane 6 lore to begin with? Does this make any sense?

Think about it this way, Twilight did write a diary and a book right? Do you know what the entire school meant in the end for them?

Not only Twilight and her friends surpassed the knowledge of Starswirl but they have created a new method and founded a new dynasty. This means that every single aspect of their lives...


...will be studied in the future generation within the universe. They represent the next chapter that ended Celestia´s monarchy and followed it with a new mentality. With this single fact, they have made history and no matter the species who reads it, one will check the history of Equestria and point out a certain princess called Twilight Sparkle in the future.

It´s not lore for today, it´s about living lore for the times that lie ahead.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 13:50:18 [Preview] No.5743 del
what looks average and a usual thing for the idiosyncrasy of today, it will become unusual for those who follow it and have not known them.

There will be a year when her friends might not exist anymore and only Twilight remains because of the contract of replacing Celestia: immortality. And when that time arrives, everyone will start to study what happened to its predecessors and will look at the main place where everything happened: Ponyville.

It´s living history and every secondary/background pony that has managed to live along with Twilight before her coronation will be become more fortunate and will tell old stories or anecdotes that sound completely strange to those who haven´t met her friends nor have seen Ponyville in their lives yet they will want to study in the school she founded.

We are talking about a nerd that was reading a book about the story of two sisters who fought a thousand years ago, in the middle of a park of Canterlot and look who she is now. You know that she doesn´t have experience. But that experience will become the knowledge/popular culture for those who follow her in the timeline and they will talk about these anti heroes, with nothing worthy to admire, as mythical heroes that changed the direction of Equestria.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 14:13:12 [Preview] No.5744 del
so the magic wasn´t anywhere else, the magic consisted in what happened any single day at anytime because those choices are what made the magic possible. Destiny did come to them at certain points sure...but in the end, they chose their own path.

The mane 6 will have the same mythology like the pillars did for this generation and so it will get written. Perhaps the greatest impact of lore isn´t translated by watching the episodes themselves but by imagining that you are a random character, grab a book of history, learning about the past.

Then, that character will realize how much its life has been impacted because of the changes made and the ambient around him. For that character, seeing a kirin or a dragon in Ponyville or Canterlot might look absolutely natural for them when in reality, that didn´t happen and only three races of ponies managed to live together in order to move forward...

but that didn´t stop there and the mane 6 basically represent how everyone helped them when Equestria got a coup in The Ending of the End, forging the basis of an entire nation without realizing it.

All that I am saying looks obvious but if generation 5 happened years beyond this period of time, those new characters would take into account these achievements over the course of their lives. They will try to replicate these steps or even idolize the mane 6, bringing inspiration and stories to share between them.


Anon 04/08/2020 (Wed) 14:25:50 [Preview] No.5745 del
so I believe that this is it. Enough posting for me until more replies arise.

I am tired and I think that you will have enough material to reply.

Maybe this concept of lore wasn´t all that you were expecting and I have delivered some twists to what could be qualified as such and these entries might clash with the concept but I´ve had good reception about my views towards it, so I kept going and finished what I had in mind to post.

Index:

Ranking the seasons in terms of lore (Bridgefag):>>5704. Replies: >>5708, >>5709, >>5710, >>5713

Concept of lore and fanservice: >>5714, >>5715

Normalization of the lore: >>5716, >>5717, >>5718. Replies: >>5719, >>5720

Comments about the changelings and the expansion: >>5723, >>5724

Pony of Shadows: >>5725

Mount Aris, Seaquestria: >>5726, >>5731. Reply: >>5729

Hope Hollow: >>5733, >>5734

Sweet Apple Acres: >>5735, >>5736

Canterlot: >>5737, >>5738, >>5739

Ponyville: >>5740, >>5741, >>5742, >>5743, >>5744

There it is.

Now I can turn off the computer...


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>>5745
Wow. It contains some logic I've heard before but you have articulated it extremely well and sometimes adding your own to the table. I don't want to blindly brag; there is some concepts that I will have to think about and may ultimately disagree but I am not exaggerating when I consider this perhaps to be your best contribution to discussion here--at least when it comes to FiM. This is more like an essay than a simple explanation and fully formed point of view that is strong and based on thinking it out. You seem to have been thinking this more than even I and have the posts to show.


>Now I can turn off the computer...
Rest. I'll have the review of your fic up in the next day or two and than I'll come back to here. Have a blessed and happy day!


Anon 04/09/2020 (Thu) 23:25:58 [Preview] No.5747 del
>>5746
>I will have to think about and may ultimately disagree but I am not exaggerating when I consider this perhaps to be your best contribution to discussion here--at least when it comes to FiM.
thanks. By they way, there is no need actually agree 100% at all. What a boring world it would be if everyone had the same opinion. Someone out there said that respect isn´t gained by having an opinion per se but how one displays it. I suppose that I have learned from politics how to use the word. Most people bash it but I call politics "the art of the word". I could be saying something false but if the words are properly placed and adjusted, reading the whole thing becomes more entertaining for the reader.

You see that I have gone meta in my arguments and asked several questions in order to allude the reader...perhaps that recourse has added more value and a more dynamic exposition.

>This is more like an essay than a simple explanation and fully formed point of view that is strong and based on thinking it out. You seem to have been thinking this more than even I and have the posts to show.
honestly, I had the entries floating around in my mind but some comments/arguments were semi improvised, hence I needed more time between each post, they came up while typing each entry; and altogether, this feels more like an article instead of some average posts from an alt chan. After finishing it, I didn´t come back to the computer until later that night. I needed to disconnect from this place a little bit.

>Rest. I'll have the review of your fic up in the next day or two and than I'll come back to here.
you have me intrigued honestly, considering the amount of times that you have announced it for comparing it to something else.

>Have a blessed and happy day!
same to you tonight.


Anon 04/13/2020 (Mon) 20:27:42 [Preview] No.5756 del
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2020/04/tara-strong-notes-that-twilight-sparkle.html

well, you were asking for more information about Pony Life, gen 5 or the comics...

It seems that we have something to latch ourselves for a bit when it comes to that discussion. Maybe not now because you have more posts to reply yet but I am leaving the EQD in which they confirm that Tara Strong isn´t currently voicing for Twilight Sparkle. This implies two possible routes here: either the mane 6 reappear again but with a different group of VA (at least, Twilight) or Tara voices another character that is not Twilight for gen 5.

With that said, gen 5 production is paralyzed because of the current circumstances but at least, this could imply a wind of change for the next generation but it´s really unclear.


Anon 04/14/2020 (Tue) 06:01:58 [Preview] No.5758 del
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>>5756
>Of course, there is a chance that Twi will be returning with a different voice actress and Tara simply wasn't informed
If she is just relying on that she hasn't been hired to voice than it is still uncertain if that be a confirmation that Twilight was gone. The old G5 leaks from 2018 had them keeping the main cast but switching some things around (including TS being an earth pony). Said they wanted a more diverse group of VAs. Though I could see plans changing drastically from those early concepts so it is possible TS is actually gone now.


Anon 04/14/2020 (Tue) 22:05:41 [Preview] No.5760 del
>>5758
of course Twilight couldn´t appear in the first episodes/season but make an appearance over the generation, who knows?

>Said they wanted a more diverse group of VAs. Though I could see plans changing drastically from those early concepts so it is possible TS is actually gone now.
then, we are for a big change if that´s true. It looks like we are getting either a reboot or a different period of the gen 4´s timeline.

It´s going to feel a little bit weird not to have her as the main protagonist though.


Anon 04/20/2020 (Mon) 21:29:58 [Preview] No.5779 del
You know, someone should warn any new future brony before joining into the community. It happens that when one discovers that secret, it´s too late for that person to go back.

Otherwise they would say: "I want to get off Mr. Bones wild ride" and repeat that meme ad infinitum.

Except that in MLP, this isn´t a meme but a deal with the devil.


Anon 04/20/2020 (Mon) 21:37:27 [Preview] No.5780 del
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2020/04/my-little-pony-friendship-is-forever-1.html

"Gen 4 is going to end with The Last Problem" they said, "the ride has ended" they said, "We will be free from the series" they said...

except that they trolled us for some reason and Pony Life doesn´t seem to fill the post gen 4 era all that much.

Australia nonetheless has proven that the series wants to compile its own events in hindsight and perhaps a few new interactions will happen throughout the retelling.

>Friendship is Forever
Hasbro...how much are you going to condemn us? You are basically giving free tickets for the ride to keep going and what´s worse...

we cannot get out of it.Help!


Anon 04/21/2020 (Tue) 05:27:01 [Preview] No.5781 del
>>5780
Do you realize how much content you have right. The offical series alone has a total runtime longer than fucking Adventure Time I believe. You guys literal can't complain.


Anon 04/21/2020 (Tue) 08:10:32 [Preview] No.5782 del
>>5781
>Do you realize how much content you have right. The offical series alone has a total runtime longer than fucking Adventure Time I believe. You guys literal can't complain.
and still we want MOAR ponies. MOOOOOOOAR.

Now,seriously,it is a compilation that DHX made 10 months ago.What is fresh from it are a few vectors from the characters before retelling those stories. That's it even though a little surprise might await somewhere but I highly doubt it. The big deal are the comics before gen 5 drops.

Anyway,you are spot on with the huge amount of content that gen 4 has offered. The amount of episodes and consistency throughout the series is to say the least,quite remarkable despite the differences in terms of opinions from the fans.

I said in previous posts that Equestria has become a world which any RPG would like to have. This proves how gen 4 and 2010 feel like the year zero for the franchise. Have you ever seen me posting the previous gens? Definitely not.

The 4th gen, m8, has been everything but boring and it still surprises me every now and then.


Anon 04/23/2020 (Thu) 06:36:26 [Preview] No.5798 del
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Review: Friendship is Forever A-Dressing Memories

Mainly focused on the tiny bit of new stuff so I didn't watch all the flashbacks all the way through but I did try to keep track. This was a wonky experience. Seeing it have the exact same opening theme just with Friendship is Forever branding brings a confusing sense of nostalgia with a slight hint of surreal. I can't say that I hate it because it's not like it did anything that made me mad but there was somethings that felt off. First off some of the selections for the flash backs seem rather odd. Like Twilight saying: Rarity has always been an inspiration for her with one one flash back focusing on her fashion empire and than it moves to focusing on Spike's love for Rarity in episodes that had really good moments for Rarity that would have fit as part of TS' first point; her handling her own in A Dog and Pony Show or her generosity in The Best Gift Ever. I guess you could say that later one was redundant with the generosity point already made earlier but you'd think the Spike flash back's would be focused on Secret of My Excess and perhaps a brief mention of a couple of other moments and then Dragon Dropped if you'd want to have a section dedicated to him. Secondly, it was slightly weird to have Spike show a brief bit of love for Rarity in pic related as it almost could be undermining her point about Spike and her relationship changing and Dragon Dropped itself in a small way. It's only slightly weird on it's own but remember it for some point later. Thirdly: is it just me or did the animation seem slightly choppy and jaggy at points? I thought it was just me but I saw a couple of other's say this too.
Like here:
https://pony.tube/videos/watch/9f699b7c-8b8d-45f6-aa2c-37d9816b56e1?start=1m33s
Or here after she tells Dolores and Spike to be careful with the fabric.
https://pony.tube/videos/watch/9f699b7c-8b8d-45f6-aa2c-37d9816b56e1?start=13m
Not something I'd really complain much about since it is a just a rushed side project but if it is true than it adds to the feeling that this was just slapped together.

4/10 I don't mean this in an offensive way but in that there was little here. It is just a clipshow with a bit of dressing. Admittedly I can find bous content /comfy/ but this felt a bit barebones compared to even the shorts they've had in the past.

One other thing:
I loved the moment when Rarity and Twilight hugged at the end. It is the only moment that stood out to me. It just sounded really sweet and genuine. That moment gets a 7/10.


Anon 04/23/2020 (Thu) 07:15:57 [Preview] No.5801 del
>>5798
I know they had TS follow up but my point was the selection felt off at times not that Rarity was necessarily neglected. Just a clarification.


Anon 04/23/2020 (Thu) 21:36:00 [Preview] No.5807 del
>>5798
as soon as I saw this post, I didn´t imagine at all that you jumped right in for a review dedicated to a compilation. Wow!

I don´t think that I am capable to offer thoughts about this compilation because it´s so scattered among the recycled moments that putting them altogether would work better (I don´t understand why the intro pops up every few minutes though)

> didn't watch all the flashbacks all the way through but I did try to keep track.
eeeyup, same here.

>some of the selections for the flash backs seem rather odd.
the Ending of the End with A Dog and A Pony Show or Rarity Investigates for example. Different strokes for different folks and it seems that the compilation goes really diverse on its choices.

>Like Twilight saying: Rarity has always been an inspiration for her with one one flash back focusing on her fashion empire and than it moves to focusing on Spike's love for Rarity in episodes that had really good moments for Rarity that would have fit as part of TS' first point her handling her own in A Dog and Pony Show or her generosity in The Best Gift Ever. I guess you could say that later one was redundant with the generosity point already made earlier but you'd think the Spike flash back's would be focused on Secret of My Excess and perhaps a brief mention of a couple of other moments and then Dragon Dropped if you'd want to have a section dedicated to him.
who was in charge of the pacing and the order of the flashbacks? Because reading this makes me feel uneasy but yeah whatever. They used this compilation for remembering both characters.

>it was slightly weird to have Spike show a brief bit of love for Rarity in pic related as it almost could be undermining her point about Spike and her relationship changing and Dragon Dropped itself in a small way. It's only slightly weird on it's own but remember it for some point later.
Jim Miller said in a tweet that this was made during the production of season 9 (10 months ago) and Dragon Dropped didn´t air until late August (I haven´t checked it out) so if these compilations were to be revealed/leaked, then we could understand that the episode was taken into account while making these compilations. However, this argument falls apart by itself when the compilation is set before the Last Problem so yeah, either that´s an inconsistency or they didn´t want to get really serious with this production.

>Thirdly: is it just me or did the animation seem slightly choppy and jaggy at points? I thought it was just me but I saw a couple of other's say this too.
I haven´t focused all that much on it. I am more bothered about the intro appearing all the time right into the viewer´s face.

Edit: I thought that it was my internet connection but yeah, in the second moment that you have linked here, I have noticed that there are a couple of chops from 13:00 and 13:06. Maybe in the first one there are subtle cuts but I have tried to check it out several times so I had the compilation fully loaded. In the second one, though there is almost an entire second in which the frames stop completely. I can confirm that as well so you have a point there.

>It is just a clipshow with a bit of dressing. Admittedly I can find bous content /comfy/ but this felt a bit barebones compared to even the shorts they've had in the past.
definitely I have barely put any effort on the review here, just replying with a laid back approach to this so in general, no controversies here and having to jump after watching 20 or 30 seconds of new content before having to click just to skip the old moments...it´s no wonder that I haven´t warmed up with it. Except with this:

>I loved the moment when Rarity and Twilight hugged at the end. It is the only moment that stood out to me. It just sounded really sweet and genuine. That moment gets a 7/10.
if the Last Problem had been longer, this scene would have had much more impact and would have added more reasons to be sad towards the finale.Agreed wholeheartedly with this line.


Anon 04/23/2020 (Thu) 21:41:27 [Preview] No.5808 del
even without putting much effort here, I believe that you are not going to find relatively deep reviews about it. Maybe a few on MLP forums or a comment in EQD. Even by getting a sticky on /mlp/, it went directly off topic because...there is not much to comment over here. I didn´t have plans to do it but you went fully onto it so I have simply followed you.

There are more shorts so I guess that each one of them will focus on the rest of the mane 6. I bet that the last one will focus around Twilight´s progress.


Anon 04/24/2020 (Fri) 01:09:12 [Preview] No.5809 del
>>5807
>>5808
Yeah. Not really a whole lot to say with this one. Supposedly there is a couple of small moments that may matter in later shorts but we will see. Celestia apparently has a line that pissed some people off for some reason but I'm going to remain unspoilered if I can help it.

>if the Last Problem had been longer, this scene would have had much more impact and would have added more reasons to be sad towards the finale.Agreed wholeheartedly with this line.
It was the only part that felt like the tone of reliving memories and sentimentality.

>I thought that it was my internet connection but yeah, in the second moment that you have linked here, I have noticed that there are a couple of chops from 13:00 and 13:06. Maybe in the first one there are subtle cuts but I have tried to check it out several times so I had the compilation fully loaded. In the second one, though there is almost an entire second in which the frames stop completely. I can confirm that as well so you have a point there.
So it ain't just me. I wasn't sure if it was just my eyes but sometimes I do watch the animation closely and usually for latter seasons and usually I've been slightly impressed with how smooth they've kept a lot of the simple stuff. Which brings me too:
>either that´s an inconsistency or they didn´t want to get really serious with this production.
I think it is looks like this was done quickly but if they pull anything of adding to shipping hints or something that connects it to the final then I will count it for the former as well.

>I don´t understand why the intro pops up every few minutes though
It looks like a bumper that would play in commercial breaks. I don't understand why it was kept in.


Anon 04/25/2020 (Sat) 16:44:39 [Preview] No.5829 del
>>5809
>It looks like a bumper that would play in commercial breaks. I don't understand why it was kept in.
fair enough

>It was the only part that felt like the tone of reliving memories and sentimentality.
maybe that will happen in the other compilations, I guess? I don´t expect much though. But indeed, it stands as the highlight of this one.

>sometimes I do watch the animation closely and usually for latter seasons and usually I've been slightly impressed with how smooth they've kept a lot of the simple stuff.
keep in mind that the artstyle has remained the same for an entire decade and while flash stands as a "cheap" method for animation yet, it was bound that those improvements would happen. I did mention the improvement with the shadows but yeah, normally the animation aspect isn´t one of those aspects that the average viewer would complain about except that you brought up this and I still had to focus a bit in order to notice those chops.

>I think it is looks like this was done quickly but if they pull anything of adding to shipping hints or something that connects it to the final then I will count it for the former as well.
we´ll see but considering that they have aired this compilation without announcing it at all, I believe that there was less pressure to keep those standards. We´ll see how this turns out in the end.

>spoiler text
incoming drama


Anon 05/10/2020 (Sun) 23:51:15 [Preview] No.5956 del
Here we have the results about what fans feel towards Pony Life and one of the screencaps related to the season 10 comics.


Anon 05/12/2020 (Tue) 22:24:06 [Preview] No.5959 del
Alright, here is my belated review for Father Knows Beast.

Well. What do I think? I can see why someone would hate it. Was Spike out of character to turn on Twilight like that? Considering how he often was portrayed as loyal to Twilight and pretty close to her (regardless as a son, brother, or sidekick). Yet you could argue that his insecurity over being not "dragon" enough, fears over his image in general and him becoming a teenager could be enough justification to fuel this. I still find it slightly suspect that Spike would treat TS this way but I can't say that it is something that is completely unjustifiable in of itself. Which brings me to the next point of contention...

Sludge. This character is a complete deadbeat. I can see why someone would be ticked off with Spike following him over his family, even for a short time. I think the question would be does this make Spike seem stupid? Is his abandoning what is a pretty well developed moral compass by this point and ignoring red flags? This I think is the greater folly. Arguably, even with his dragonhood being an established issue, I'm not sure how much since it makes for him to be so trusting of his "father" like this compared to previous times where I think he showed more judgement just by virtue of how slimy Sludge seems.

Overall? 5.5/10. I do think that with some slight changes it would be more palatable but it does have a lot going against it. I haven't even got to how them finally touching on Spike's orphaned status and not revealing anything of worth other than acknowledging it or some considering it a half rehash of Dragon Quest. Still, it's not the worst of the worst. I'm honestly just indifferent to it personally.

Other notes:
This Episode pushed it hard that Twilight is a mother figure to Spike:
>Spike: Actually, I was orphaned as an egg, and Twilight raised me. So these ponies are more than my friends. They're my family.
>Spike: That's because you raised me. Now I finally have a chance to see how I'm supposed to be.
>Twilight Sparkle: I don't think you're supposed to be any different than who you are.
>Spike: Maybe you just don't like that I have a real parent now.
https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/Father_Knows_Beast
She talks as if it's been her responsibility. She worries she failed. It breaks her heart when Spike has a real parent now. How does this reconcile with Sparkle's Seven? IDK. It's too strong to ignore and I think I have to investigate further to see which one, if either, fit better with how they have interacted.

Season 8 had a lot of time skips where at least weeks/months passed didn't it?


Anon 05/12/2020 (Tue) 22:34:57 [Preview] No.5961 del
>>5956
Not surprised that even EQD fags have red flags with Pony Life.

"Season 10" looks like they are going to have Mane5 going on adventures as TS Knight's of the Round Table in different teams be really pushed aren't they. Considering crossover teams of characters they have already done before in the comic a lot plus the whole Cutie Map I'm not sure how original that'll be but maybe there will be some entertainment out of it. I certainly think I'll be interested enough trying to reconcile it with the show for fun and seeing how they wrap up other storylines and if they make sense.


Anon 05/12/2020 (Tue) 22:46:19 [Preview] No.5962 del
>>5961
>Not surprised that even EQD fags have red flags with Pony Life.
I voted in that poll, I´ve got admit. I picked the option that I was never excited but at least I haven´t said that in the same post while sharing it. Even then, you know it´s bad when even EQD cannot defend it wholeheartedly and those people who have voted the cautious option is because MLP in general was a surprise so one shouldn´t judge a book by its cover. However, it´s pretty clear that they are going to follow the Teen Titans Go formula with this one (at first sight)

>"Season 10" looks like they are going to have Mane5 going on adventures as TS Knight's of the Round Table in different teams be really pushed aren't they.
eeyup. I have recently checked /mlp/ and one of the posts displays that they are going to be divided in several groups:
>#1 The one that starts with #89 (due soon once they start up distribution again) with AJ, Tempy, Rockhoof and Zecora
>#2 RD, Spitfire, Lyra + Bon Bon , and Captain Celaeno
>#3 FS, Pinkie, Trixie, Capper, and Discord
>#4 Rarity, Maud, Big Mac and Meadowbrook

So far, we are going to get that.

>I'm not sure how original that'll be but maybe there will be some entertainment out of it. I certainly think I'll be interested enough trying to reconcile it with the show for fun and seeing how they wrap up other storylines and if they make sense.
there will be entertainment for sure and if they keep a level of quality like they accomplished with Nightmare Knights, I will be satisfied. I am not in a hurry at all as long as they are well written or fulfilling enough in order to have a nice time.


Anon 05/12/2020 (Tue) 22:54:22 [Preview] No.5964 del
https://twitter.com/jrome58/status/1259988955849777160

Also, it seems that they are going to be available as soon as the summer begins. I thought that they were going to release them in Autumn but it looks that they had completed more work than I expected. Have they been teleworking in the next issues throughout this quarantine? I mean,they wouldn´t announce the comics so carefreely if they didn´t have any material prepared (unless they repeat the same move like they did with Pencils last Autumn and put their employees to work in a rush)


Anon 05/13/2020 (Wed) 00:00:00 [Preview] No.5968 del
>>5959
I see that you have displayed your opinion about FKB, nice.

Perhaps I will give it a watch soon (now that you have shared your comments on it) and extend this discussion a little bit more. Now that I think about it, I only watched those last episodes of S8 once and I shared my own thoughts without rewatching them, perhaps my views could turn into more negative ones than the first impressions I held that Saturday.

Better late than never but that´s what the post gen 4 thread is actually meant to do here.


Anon 05/13/2020 (Wed) 02:23:40 [Preview] No.5970 del
>>5968
Yep. My research spawned a side venture where I decided to do a little evaluating of Spike and TS relationship and so this is the first one I checked out. Next review is Dragon Quest.

>Now that I think about it, I only watched those last episodes of S8 once and I shared my own thoughts without rewatching them,
I may be doing a few, as there scattered points where I really wasn't keeping a good track of the seasons. Particularly I consider myself somewhat weak on 5, 6, 7 to varying degrees, but it'll probably be in a scatershot manner.

>Now that I think about it, I only watched those last episodes of S8 once and I shared my own thoughts without rewatching them, perhaps my views could turn into more negative ones than the first impressions I held that Saturday.
Or you could see a positive that I don't.

>Better late than never but that´s what the post gen 4 thread is actually meant to do here.
/_)


Anon 05/14/2020 (Thu) 17:42:43 [Preview] No.5990 del
>>5970
>My research spawned a side venture where I decided to do a little evaluating of Spike and TS relationship and so this is the first one I checked out.
that´s an interesting way to project your vision about their development throughout the show so...yeah, keep going.

>Next review is Dragon Quest.
ooooooooh boy, I will be quite surprised if you manage to like that episode.

>I consider myself somewhat weak on 5, 6, 7 to varying degrees
so you are saying that the discussion threads have turned out to keep an magnifying glass in these last two seasons while as you were lurking in the past, you weren´t digging as deep as you have shown here.

This line by itself speaks volumes.

>Or you could see a positive that I don't.
whenever I reply to your post >>5959 properly, we will see how it goes.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 05:54:38 [Preview] No.6073 del
Dragon Quest, similar to last episode, I think has some interesting dynamics even if I have some questions of its execution (though this ep has a lower potential). Storywise I consider it to be okay on paper but the dragons are rather uncompelling as antagonists. They are extremely generic, just archetypes over personality. I still enjoyed the ponies in this and still enjoyed how the dragons were presented as a mysterious and scary in the first part but there wasn't much to follow up. The main controversy around this episode though is obviously its moral. I actually remember seeing people back in the day connecting this to race more than masculinity, but it is clearly the second one they were going for here. The teenage dragons are supposed to represent stereotypical negative male behavior. The point of the moral is that Spike's more pony, more feminine, behavior is not a side of himself that he should reject but embrace and that such masculine traits maybe negative. How bad is that moral? Well, while I dislike the constant portrayal of all masculine traits now days in some circles as being bad I'm not sure this was written with that type of feminist intent even if it was written with a critical eye to masculinity. I actually think it was written still under a mindset of being a girls show toward the young boys watching it and maybe feeling insecure. It makes a lot more sense to me looking it as "It's okay to be girlish! A lot of the boys are mean anyway!". Extreme stereotypical behavior and simplistic morality are used in children stories all the time and I think fandom (along with many adults with other childrens media) often forgot this. It why I have such a hard time judging such childlike sudden shifts in morality as bad as it is in service of the lesson and to make it easy to understand.* I still find the lesson questionable and I would probably have preferred a bit more nuance but that is what I bet their mindset was.

Overall I consider this episode below average. 5/10 I think it was somewhat lackluster with a questionable moral but it should be judged under a childhood storytelling lens and not under as a racist attack or coordinated feminist attack against masculinity unless somepony can find me evidence otherwise.


*though there is a very strong counterpoint that as the series progressed it did often show greater nuance and that it makes some things puzzling and stupid when they would lean back into that level of writing.

Other notes:

I think it is a shame that Peewee wasn't included in the rest of the series as it could have been used as a arc of Spike learning of adulthood and responsibility. Wouldn't that have been a cooler Spike and Apple Jack episode in Season 3?

I still enjoyed the dragon costume and found those brief moments funny.

Does this contradict me saying that lands felt distant and that now everything just feels a train ride away? I don't think it does completely as it never was established how long Spike traveled and that it was still treated as dangerous and far away.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 06:05:11 [Preview] No.6074 del
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>>6073
Now on to the real meat as to why I'm doing this. What is the nature of Twilight and Spike's relationship. What I think is interesting with this episode is this line:
Spike: Phew, that was a close one. Thanks, you guys.
Twilight Sparkle: Of course. What are friends for?
Spike: You're more than friends. You're my family.
It makes it very interesting for how later episodes treat this that it is Spike that who says they are his family with Twilight Sparkle appearing to imply that she was his friend. I suppose one could say that Twilight was referring to her and her friends in general but I think in earlier seasons he was written more as a sidekick or even Pet without a clear family bound fully in mind. I will say this though: TS was shown to be his caretaker and those moments caused plenty to argue back then there was such a type of relation. Even here TS was acting as such. Though I wonder if there is any hints with a clearer subtext of motherhood or sisterhood implied.
Next review: Owl's Well that Ends Well.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 06:07:38 [Preview] No.6075 del
>>6074
Forgot to link transcript.
https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/Dragon_Quest
Should've probably spaced out the quote as well.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 19:01:44 [Preview] No.6078 del
Don´t believe that I have forgotten about the reviews though...>>6073 >>5959

If we are not counting the compilation, I believe that this is the first time I have decided to watch the show again...with Dragon Quest. Definitely not the best episode to begin with, then Sweet and Smoky and lastly, Father Knows Beast.

In a couple of hours, I am going to share my thoughts about these episodes (I have been writing down a few details as well while I was watching them).

PoLS just in case.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 21:55:10 [Preview] No.6079 del
Okay, so let´s start with Dragon Quest here:

The least controversial part is what you are investing your time in these episodes:

>I think in earlier seasons he was written more as a sidekick or even Pet without a clear family bound fully in mind.
well, it wouldn´t surprise me at all, considering that Spike was seen as a less relevant character than the Mane 6 and he didn´t get a more serious treatment until future episodes. Correct me if I am wrong here but, wasn´t Spike shoehorned in the cast because of Hasbro´s orders to the show staff? I am asking this because Faust could have seen herself a little bit under the obligation to make something with him but didn´t aim all that high for him. One of his biggest achievements happens when the Crystal Empire events occur but the staff was changing plans constantly around that era and Faust was no longer involved in the show´s direction. I also remember (this is outside the show by the way) that Tara Strong posted a tweet claiming that Spike was her pet so...

indeed, you are aiming correctly with this speculation.


> TS was shown to be his caretaker and those moments caused plenty to argue back then there was such a type of relation. Even here TS was acting as such. Though I wonder if there is any hints with a clearer subtext of motherhood or sisterhood implied.
I believe that the show wouldn´t go beyond those subtleties. I mean, Sparity would be a more obvious trait in the first seasons than that but if we were to look at the root of being shown as a caretaker, the main source for establishing that theory relies on the backstory when Twilight hatched the egg with her magic for passing the test (Cutie Mark Chronicles). I am not saying that those implied moments don´t exist but I think that the show was sustaining itself in an unclear path around that era.

My theory is basically this one: Spike was slightly detached from the Mane 6 in terms of writing in general and seems kind of like an artificial added member (familiar yet slightly alien at the same time) until they start to appreciate him and what he can actually offer (both in terms of writing and for the mane 6). If you see the rise of relevance for male characters, you see that him and Big Mac are treated with a deeper take as the show goes on.

Even if you leave aside the perspective about male characters in terms of writing, Celestia suffers this same problem as well. Like you say with Spike as a friend or as family member, they don´t show you much about Celestia either. Was she supposed t be the most mysterious princess that knows everything but also trolls at the same time? Was she supposed to be a mentor for Twilight? Besides her presentations and a few lines dropped back and forth, the show was lying in a fine line where something was lacking beneath its surface level. She was kind of there and stayed like an alien yet familiar for the mane 6.


Now, speculations aside, let´s criticize the episode itself.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 22:51:08 [Preview] No.6080 del
>>6073
>Storywise I consider it to be okay on paper but the dragons are rather uncompelling as antagonists. They are extremely generic, just archetypes over personality.
the episode is quite average both in its execution but like you say here, it become painfully generic and you don`t see the dragons as awfully cliched as this episode portrays them here. In its first debut, you see their special traits like being rude, rebellious and more disorganized (because of their free will) than the ponies. In later episodes, the gang doesn´t change all that much their attitude so they were in character: they are jerks and keep their cool among them. So far, this doesn´t sound troublesome but the way that this episode presents them...

>still enjoyed how the dragons were presented as a mysterious and scary in the first part but there wasn't much to follow up.
if someone reads posts I wrote here: >>5726 and >>5733 >>5734, while the debut episode for the dragons themselves have an air of mystery when they are flying over Ponyville, the ponies (mostly Rarity, RD and TS) imply that they are big, tough and scary. The quest starts for Spike and it looks like they are located far away (we´ll talk about that later) and it seems that we are following the same path that they would apply for Mt.Aris /Seaquestria, Hope Hollow and even the Kirin village.

Alright, so the air of mystery was set up in the first third of the episode because of the ponies point of view and lack of information about them (Twilight didn´t find any single book related to them. This could explain why Neighsay or other ponies would look down or would have fears towards other species). How much time does that sense of mystery last when Spike arrives at the Dragonlands?

Less than a few seconds.

That´s a new record. All the mysterious/scary aura was absolutely ripped as soon as we saw the gang. Besides swimming in pools of lava, what kind of new lore does this episode add about the dragons? The gems don´t count by the way. So, we are going directly to the slice of life territory in an episode where it deals with native dragons for the first time. The movie, Rainbow Roadtrip or Sounds of Silence turned out to be more sophisticated in this regard. We have to rely on the interactions, traits and the message here.


>The main controversy around this episode though is obviously its moral. I actually remember seeing people back in the day connecting this to race more than masculinity, but it is clearly the second one they were going for here.
>The teenage dragons are supposed to represent stereotypical negative male behavior.
these lines explain why it is the only episode with dragons that featured rock music and a try hard mentality that replicate the cool teenagers of the 90s. However, I am going to connect you the message with the race but with a different perspective. Just wait and see...

>The point of the moral is that Spike's more pony, more feminine, behavior is not a side of himself that he should reject but embrace and that such masculine traits maybe negative.
>I actually think it was written still under a mindset of being a girls show toward the young boys watching it and maybe feeling insecure.
except that Sweet and Smoky dealt with that moral much better without having to establish a masculine vs feminine duel in terms of attitude. What´s even funnier is that one of those toxic masculine characters that were displayed in this episode for backing up that claim, he also turned out to be insecure at showing a more sentimental side of him with poetry without using the feminine argument, just that he looked uncool towards the rest so he needed to feel superior from the outside. Reading this in hindsight, if you didn´t mention Spike here, I would imply that you could be perfectly talking about Garble.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 22:51:59 [Preview] No.6081 del
>It makes a lot more sense to me looking it as "It's okay to be girlish! A lot of the boys are mean anyway!". Extreme stereotypical behavior and simplistic morality are used in children stories all the time and I think fandom (along with many adults with other childrens media) often forgot this. It why I have such a hard time judging such childlike sudden shifts in morality as bad as it is in service of the lesson and to make it easy to understand.*
that mindset is annoying to say the least (and really painful to watch in media in general, not only in MLP). What I appreciate about later seasons is about its grayish tone and adding subtleties and layers that would make more difficult to say those kinds of claims: "X is good, Y is bad!" and the maturity in its tone would avoid these stereotypes without resorting to them too much.

>I still find the lesson questionable and I would probably have preferred a bit more nuance but that is what I bet their mindset was.
I am going to even go even further with the moral and there is even a more awful perspective than it seems.

> this episode below average. 5/10 I think it was somewhat lackluster with a questionable moral but it should be judged under a childhood storytelling lens and not under as a racist attack or coordinated feminist attack against masculinity
okay, that´s a fair rating. If the message didn´t lead to such interpretations so clearly, you could basically describe this as an average plot that would come from the 90s. It´s not that big of a deal by itself because the gang and the ponies are acting properly here and even there are bits of humor such as:

>I still enjoyed the dragon costume and found those brief moments funny.
especially when TS,RD and Rarity wave goodbye to Spike while they are smiling and Rarity asks to follow him and TS answers with an "Of course". I am also adding the moment when Garble asks himself about the disguised dragon by asking: "Who´s that weirdo?". Yeah, you can find a few chuckles at certain points.

>I think it is a shame that Peewee wasn't included in the rest of the series as it could have been used as a arc of Spike learning of adulthood and responsibility.
Peewee did appear in Molt Down completely grown up and it served as a sign of foresight for Spike´s adulthood (by getting his wings). But yeah, now that you are mentioning it...

>Wouldn't that have been a cooler Spike and Apple Jack episode in Season 3?
there are many ways to write a much better episode than Spike At Your Service...

>Does this contradict me saying that lands felt distant and that now everything just feels a train ride away? I don't think it does completely as it never was established how long Spike traveled and that it was still treated as dangerous and far away.
Watch Sweet and Smoky, Gauntlet of Fire or Shadow Play, the Dragonlands don´t feel as distant anymore. The show uses the cliché of travelling far away from home when it´s portrayed for the first time but then, as soon as you have discovered it, you gain the ability of instant teleportation or quick access (like a video game). You don´t contradict yourself with your theory...the episode DOES disprove itself when Spike has to climb a snowy mountain. It leaves you the impression that the Dragonlands are located in the Frozen North, beyond the Crystal Empire.

The show used those moments of travelling far away as if we were watching a movie and play a little bit with the comedy when Spike grows a beard but as soon as he sees the Dragonlands, the beard is removed as soon as he rushes to that place. It´s all built up in order to make a joke or see the reactions of the character himself. It doesn´t take the worldbuilding seriously at all.


Anon 05/23/2020 (Sat) 23:51:17 [Preview] No.6082 del
now, what´s the biggest problem with this episode? Someone would claim that it´s Garble and the rest because they are annoying antagonists or poorly written characters. Around that time, yes, but seeing this episode in hindsight, they weren´t an actual menace but more like jerks who didn´t know any better beyond their routine. If they fought against ponies, they would endure in the battle for a quite short amount of time. Antagonists? More like they treated Spike as a punching bag for not being cool enough to fit in.

So, as Bridgefag has said before, the problem relies on the message. Let´s judge it with a twist here:

Assuming that we were blind people who we didn´t know anything about feminism nor took the feminine vs masculine values for Spike into account, let´s do the exercise of not falling into that circle and see why the message/moral is still a mess. Click on the script and read the letter written for Celestia:

>>6075
>Dear Princess Celestia,
>Seeing the great dragon migration made me wonder what it meant to be a dragon. But now I realize that who I am is not the same as what I am. I may have been born a dragon, but Equestria and my pony friends have taught me how to be kind, loyal, and true! I'm proud to call Ponyville my home, and to have my pony friends as my family.
>Yours truly, Spike.

Now, my little lurker, read those lines closely again.
This might sound really sweet at first but if you have seen the later seasons, you would realize that this letter has aged BADLY in hindsight (in my opinion). Sure, the ponies would teach the values of friendship to the rest with the school but Spike,are you serious?

He is implying that kindness, loyalty and honesty wouldn´t come from the dragons themselves, he is undermining the dragons (and himself) just because he has had a bad first impression and uses a bad sample of how rude their nature was at first for him. Sure, he was dealing with a gang but one doesn´t need to be a dragon for having that nasty attitude, ponies (or any Equestrian) can perfectly do that as well.

It becomes even worse when you watch Sweet and Smoky, Father Knows Beast and/or the Gauntlet of Fire right after watching this episode. He is implying that dragons like Ember and Smolder don´t exist. Even Ember´s father and Garble (before displaying his poetic side) sincere moments in their intentions. In Sweet and Smoky, Ember and Fluttershy introduce themselves and in a few seconds, Ember displays kindness, honesty and commitment to hatch the eggs towards Fluttershy. In Father Knows Beast, Smolder listens to Spike´s confusions about being a dragon and Sludge. She answered with a sincere tone after knowing those thoughts (compare both Smolder and Sludge, they have no color in their moral values at all)

Combine this with the line:
>Spike: I wonder if dragons cry...
We haven´t seen them doing that explicitly but there have been moments of regret and solitude coming from them.

Sure, they needed a little bit of help from the mane 6 in order to boost those universal values (the "ponification" of their cultures) but the effort at becoming better comes from the individuals themselves (and their education), not from the condition of your species. He is saying that he was taught with those values despite being a dragon and sure, Twilight helped him to understand them but here is the catch, what if other dragons want to learn those same values too? Are they handicapped in order to learn them?

When you mix the stereotypes and judge on a surface level with the first impressions, these holes in the well intended message appear. Thankfully, the show hit the reset button with Ember in season 6. It gave the dragons a second opportunity for sowing potential plots/messages with a more interesting take than this but it took 4 seasons in order to see that.

Phew, I am almost sounding like a social justice warrior here but this proves that if the show had an agenda (as though we were implying that there was a genuine conspiracy behind it), it would display quite a few contradictions with itself.


Anon 05/24/2020 (Sun) 00:13:12 [Preview] No.6083 del
I could judge Father Knows Beast but I realize that I have written a fairly long review here.

You might have noticed it already but...I consider Dragon Quest as the worst episode for the dragons and they could have ended up in a quite irrelevant yet bitter note if they hadn´t received another chance.

Unlike Rainbow Roadtrip, they got more material over the years dedicated to them and the perception from the fanbase would gradually become more positive. Nonetheless, that doesn´t save the episode from being one of the worst debuts at presenting any non-pony homeland of any species. Time has turned out to be more pleasant for their image and their existence within the show and the fanbase. Better late than never.

With that said, have a good night and sleep well /endpone/.


Anon 08/01/2020 (Sat) 17:01:39 [Preview] No.6386 del
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5050 anon here - I've been gone on a massive anime binging spree to fill the hole of MLP and not looked back for the most part, but I've heard whispers of something called Rainbow Roadtrip. From the little I've picked up by accident it sounds like the animation is really good, is it worth my time to watch? I don't know if any other post-gen4 stuff interests me and I won't burden you by asking for spoonfeeding. I would keep up with the comic books but the local comic book store has changed quite depressingly. Where before a bearded behemoth lorded over a pile of old merch and obscure titles, now he seems to be in hospital while his amputee veteran friend and his girlfriend run a carefully segmented shop with one third children's toys (none of the MLP variety), one third lego, and the last third a smattering of comics shoved in with rick and morty merch while they shittalk the former owner over at the counter. Can't say I'm eager to go there and remember the times that will never return just to pick up the latest issues - can't even get any action figures or discontinued 80s toylines to go with it anymore. Anyways hope you've all been doing well, I've got some serious lurking to do to catch up with your discussions.


Anon 08/01/2020 (Sat) 20:06:07 [Preview] No.6387 del
>>6386
>5050 anon here
no way...


Anon 08/01/2020 (Sat) 20:50:12 [Preview] No.6388 del
>>6386
>I've been gone on a massive anime binging spree to fill the hole of MLP and not looked back for the most part, but I've heard whispers of something called Rainbow Roadtrip.
yes but that special aired right after Between Dusk and Dawn. An entire year has happened since its release but I wouldn´t blame you if you didn´t notice it. It lacked a lot of promotion from Hasbro and perhaps, not all the fans managed to keep an eye on it.

>it sounds like the animation is really good, is it worth my time to watch?
it´s run with the ToonBoom animation (Movie style) so in comparison to Pony Life, it looks wonderful.
However, you are talking to one of those who while I understand that certain people like it because of its comfy and laid back script, I am too biased to tell it beforehand for you.

If you don´t want to look at the reviews, I will sum it up that personally I am not a fan of it because it reminded me of gen 3 in a way.

There is an index in the season 9 thread >>5310 and >>5312 that displays the discussion of that specific special and even I analyzed it from a lore standpoint in this same thread: >>5733 and >>5734. Still, the main discussion of it is located within these replies:

Rainbow Roadtrip: >>4331 + >>4382 + >>4419 - >>4422 + >>4458 - >>4464

>I don't know if any other post-gen4 stuff interests me and I won't burden you by asking for spoonfeeding.
you have the Pony Life thread >>6253 in which Bridgefag and CBAnon commented about it in these posts: >>6268, >>6269, >>6270, >>6275 and >>6276. Ever since the premiere aired, this board hasn´t focused on the rest so there is little to spoonfeed here.If you want to ask my opinion about it, I can´t give any...because I haven´t watched it so far.

About post gen 4 stuff discussed, there has been discussion of the first compilation that happens right before The Last Problem´s celebration, Bridgefag´s analysis about the motherly figure of Twilight towards Spike while reviewing FWB and Dragon Quest: >>5959, >>5970, >>6073, >>6074 and >>6075; and an overview of lore among other things in this index: >>5745. If you want to lurk something fresh during this post gen 4 transition, all of these comments are what have been published so far. Take a look at them without rushing it.


Anon 08/01/2020 (Sat) 21:52:18 [Preview] No.6389 del
>>6386
>I would keep up with the comic books but the local comic book store has changed quite depressingly. Where before a bearded behemoth lorded over a pile of old merch and obscure titles, now he seems to be in hospital while his amputee veteran friend and his girlfriend run a carefully segmented shop with one third children's toys (none of the MLP variety), one third lego, and the last third a smattering of comics shoved in with rick and morty merch while they shittalk the former owner over at the counter.
well, that truly sucks. At least, you have been fortunate to get them and visit a comic book store to buy them. In muy country, except for the average toys and certain plushies, there is not much merch to get out of this franchise (maybe a few magazines aimed at kids) but I wouldn´t be aware of the existence of IDW´s comics if it were´t because of the internet. Now, even EQD users rely on the internet stores to buy the issues so at least, you have known what it feels like to buy a MLP comic. Is there any chance that he will come back again or are those changes permanent? Perhaps the season 10 issues get a stronger distribution from Hasbro (hopefully)

>Can't say I'm eager to go there and remember the times that will never return just to pick up the latest issues - can't even get any action figures or discontinued 80s toylines to go with it anymore.
well, you have been more fortunate than me in that department. I never had a chance to experience that charm. I have never had any physical copy in my hands for these 6 years in the ride.

The only thing that I can offer towards all of this is that you´ve got these links:

http://yp1.yayponies.no/books/book.php
https://pastebin.com/RsSrSfQD

and a thread >>1627 (perhaps /endpone/ will have one thread entirely dedicated to the season 10 comics) in order to discuss them and dedicate time to the issues that you want to talk about over here. Definitely not the same feeling to compensate what you used to do in the past but, if you don´t want to stay lurking and spend more time by being more active, you´ve got this alternative method for this post gen 4 era.


Anon 08/01/2020 (Sat) 22:24:03 [Preview] No.6390 del
>>6386
>Anyways hope you've all been doing well, I've got some serious lurking to do to catch up with your discussions.
I am doing great honestly, not perfect (because of the pandemic and the fact that I still have an exam left later this summer) but overall, the last couple of weeks have been quite pleasant on a personal level. I can´t speak for the other users but the other users have been active as well as if nothing has happened (I am highlighting the "as if" words)

As for the board in general, well, it could have had more activity but as you can see, there are a few basic rules established and a specific thread meant for NSFW material. We have had several posts discussing a couple of fics, a few edits back and forth and well, casual posting (off topic replies). As they have said recently, it´s still comfy.

NOW, COMMUNITY WISE THOUGH, my goodness! It´s quite a long story to tell...

let´s say that the fandom has been going through....eeeeerm, (how do I say this?), """"interesting"""" times for these last couple of months (especially from the last few days of June to the entire month of July). While it has calmed down a fair bit recently (relatively speaking), it´s still going and far from over. It has lead to the creation of these sites (the ones that appear in the left column)

https://altboorus.org/

To sum it up in an entertaining manner, I am linking these two videos. Pony Life might not be all that entertaining nor satisfying. Meanwhile,the fanbase has managed to fill that spot instead and win by a landslide:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ycMdO4SGrxk [Embed]
https://u.smutty.horse/lwhjkotxyvs.webm

Have fun watching these videos.


Anyway, welcome back.


Anon 08/02/2020 (Sun) 09:32:50 [Preview] No.6391 del
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>>6386
>50/50 anon
Howdy, bridgefag here. Welcome back!

>I would keep up with the comic books but the local comic book store has changed quite depressingly. Where before a bearded behemoth lorded over a pile of old merch and obscure titles, now he seems to be in hospital while his amputee veteran friend and his girlfriend run a carefully segmented shop with one third children's toys (none of the MLP variety), one third lego, and the last third a smattering of comics shoved in with rick and morty merch while they shittalk the former owner over at the counter.
That is just sad. I'm trying to get the comic thread back on track here >>1627

/chat/ thread for for... well anything else. Though some of this stuff also happens in /NMAiE/ still tbh.
>>5562

Otherwise L23 has filled you in on everything else pretty well.

>Anyways hope you've all been doing well,
Okayish. Been getting little sleep at times do to the Derpibooru drama and have been trying to archive stuff.


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 09:45:09 [Preview] No.6396 del
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>>6386
>>6387
Told ya he is most based poster. do you remember me 5050?


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 18:01:51 [Preview] No.6398 del
>>6396
>>6390
>overused, normalfag'd, nu-4gag buzzwords i.e. "based"
>Tyrone, who has long since been found by reddit since '14-'15
Reminder that horsefuckers != bronies, fuck off normalfags.


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 20:28:51 [Preview] No.6399 del
>>6398
Who poured their ponycider into your oats?


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 21:58:58 [Preview] No.6400 del
>>6398
>Reminder that horsefuckers != bronies

well, let me tell you that you are most likely not going to have any success by stating that. Not to mention that manipulating semantics is quite complicated in order to change the term in the broad sense. Brony might have had any specific connotation in the past that was describing a specific group (mostly male adults) but over time, it has been mostly reduced to a generic terms that establish one common thing: a person who watches FiM or consumes/creates content related to MLP, for the most part the 4th generation (the most successful one).

I am not against your terminology of horsefuckers not being the same as bronies. The thing is that you are correct for the wrong reasons:

Brony is the accepted canonical term that universally describes a person who spends time and consumes content that comes from the 4th gen, it simply offers a generic name to associate the community in a broad sense indifferently, it simply describes the practice no matter who you are. Horsefucker however, is a more specific term that is only used in the channer circles. Therefore, as it is more specific, it doesn´t describe the community as a whole and thus, if the term becomes a standard, it will fall under a brony subcategory just to describe the slang used within the channer circles at best. It cannot replace the word brony unless everyone else in the community agreed on the term and adapted that term (but then, it would suffer a normalization for being so widespread and the term would lose its original intent after its initial hype).
In order to achieve that, you would have to go beyond these circles and expect that other people fully adapt and accept the term over time. This process happened to the term Doom-clones, in which over time got replaced with the term First Person Shooter (FPS) in order to describe that genre of videogames. Other words however, were meant to be changed like the Metroidvania genre or Roguelike games yet no other alternative words/terms have arisen in order to replace them.


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 22:01:08 [Preview] No.6401 del
>>6398
But given the context that you are displaying with the word normie, you are using it as a way to describe elitism from your part as if you are feeling superior/unique for differentiating yourself from the bronies who are in social media (Tumblr, Facebook and Twitter) which is fine if you want to tag yourself an edgy channer who likes MLP that spends time having sexual fantasies with stories like Anon in Equestria, rape stories, having an insane love towards X characters (female ones), sounding like a retard via shitposting and consuming NSFW content in great quantities (aka,autism or degeneracy).

The word horsefucker is no different from the terms like genwunners or pokephiles. The former are meant to focus on gen 1 lovers who put that 1st generation as the best, normally looking down the other gens for being inferior while the latter describes a specific audience who focuses more on the NSFW content of the community. However, at the end of the day, what are they? Those are specific terms that describe a Pokemon fan but both share one thing in common: they like Pokemon (and those who are dedicated to it, spend their time on fan sites, call it /vp/, Serebii or the Smogon Forums, it doesn´t matter)

So, you, me and whoever spends their time on MLP (mostly referring to gen 4 but who knows if that will apply to gen 5) is technically a brony because that´s the universal pattern that associates the community as a whole no matter the idiosyncrasy displayed in the different fan sites related to MLP. It´s basically universal, generic and ubiquitous (even the words pegasister and cloppers have lost relevancy over time because the female fans accepted the term brony and the clopper tag lost its meaning because at some point, it was no longer controversial enough to consume NSFW content in order to call out the fetishist group).

Even the channer circles that tend to use the word horsefucker, some of those users either use the word brony indifferently or don´t care about the specific term because of ignorance or because they don´t see it all that useful to use except for comedy value and/or shitposting.

So, if you want your reminder to become valuable and accepted, you are going to have to make a huge effort and convince more than 4 or 5 users that use this board in order to acknowledge that both terms are not the same in the way that you intend it to be by subverting the established semantics.


Good luck with your project.


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 22:55:27 [Preview] No.6402 del
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>>6387
way
>>6388
>It lacked a lot of promotion from Hasbro and perhaps, not all the fans managed to keep an eye on it.
I don't know if I've really been a fan proper for most of this year.
>it´s run with the ToonBoom animation (Movie style)
I watched it today, and noticed. Nice to see it again after the movie. Also thank you very much for the rundown, you really didn't need to.
>Is there any chance that he will come back again or are those changes permanent?
I don't know for sure since I only ever talked to him and overheard other people's conversations, but I think he was in a car accident that left him in a coma.
>The only thing that I can offer towards all of this is that you´ve got these links:
holy moly - thanks, I'll check it out
>>6390
>
let´s say that the fandom has been going through....eeeeerm, (how do I say this?), """"interesting"""" times for these last couple of months (especially from the last few days of June to the entire month of July). While it has calmed down a fair bit recently (relatively speaking), it´s still going and far from over. It has lead to the creation of these sites (the ones that appear in the left column)
good gracious. I've never been good at keeping up with drama but it feels a little weird being as out of the loop as I am currently, I suppose.
>>6396
>do you remember me 5050?
I think so. I also remember the guy who wanted to ask me a question and never asked it.
Anyways I'll keep catching up and lurking. Couldn't find any pony pics so enjoy my waifu I guess


Anon 08/03/2020 (Mon) 23:43:48 [Preview] No.6403 del
>>6402
>way
amen

>I don't know if I've really been a fan proper for most of this year.
I don´t blame you. After The Last Problem had aired back in October, the 4th gen ride ended and therefore, the medium that had brought all the fans together just vanished and found its own deadline. The 4th gen became a thing of the past after that point.

All of this that has occurred in 2020 is like a bonus, a transition or a break from the whole ride, hence it is called the post gen 4 era in which we rely on comics, spin off or community material in order to keep an interest for this franchise. Or it is basically because you want to spend time in these sites or circles but the main appeal, the FiM show, would no longer accompany us anymore.

>Also thank you very much for the rundown, you really didn't need to.
you are welcome. I mean, those reviews are shared in public in order to be discussed or induce arguments or extend more thoughts towards that content. Also, feel free to expose your thoughts about it if you want.

>but I think he was in a car accident that left him in a coma.
uffff sweet mother of Celestia, holy shit, that´s really messed up if that turns out to be true. Another user from here went through that as well (although with far less severe consequences. a few years ago (so perhaps, he will feel somewhat alienated by reading this). Then those changes are most likely to be permanent. A real pity honestly. Hope he gets better soon (although that accident sounds too strong to even consider any chance of any short term recovery, let alone if he even gets to make it)


>I've never been good at keeping up with drama but it feels a little weird being as out of the loop as I am currently, I suppose.
a lot of things and sudden shifts have happened since The Atlantic posted an article about bronies and nazism and then ,Derpibooru making a statement on Twitter about BLM. After that, the happenings didn´t cease to stop. I could attempt to write a summary about it but I would rather let any outsider judge it on their own and then, analyze it with your own perspective.

In the Big Man Tyrone´s video about Marenheit 451 art pack, there is a comment (with the help of Raptorshy) that sums it up on a surface level (there are more summaries out there that do a more detailed job in this department) and if you check the Derpibooru observatory thread on /endmlp/ (there is a link to it at the top of the page), you will see that Bridgefag has explained the situation with a detailed manner (don´t expect a neutral/unbiased tone though), although the thread is more focused on archiving the key threads before Derpibooru´s staff gets to delete them.

You will have to lurk quite a bit in order to find out everything. /mlp/ (4chan) has had a general dedicated to it and it has managed to bump limit 20 threads (even one of them got more than 1000 replies, as if it were a sticky thread for a new episode of Friendship is Magic!). So yeah, this whole drama has left no one indifferent and even >>6396,who is not all that familiar with the fanbase, has noticed that certain people are truly insane. Not your average degenerate/autist who makes cringy things for a brony cringe compilation but insanity combined with authoritarianism, woke culture and questionable decisions (including doxing). You will find out what I am talking about eventually.


>thanks, I'll check it out
>I´ll keep catching up and lurking.
alright, take your time. No problem about that.


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>>6387
way
>>6388
>It lacked a lot of promotion from Hasbro and perhaps, not all the fans managed to keep an eye on it.
I don't know if I've really been a fan proper for most of this year.
>it´s run with the ToonBoom animation (Movie style)
I watched it today, and noticed. Nice to see it again after the movie. Also thank you very much for the rundown, you really didn't need to.
>Is there any chance that he will come back again or are those changes permanent?
I don't know for sure since I only ever talked to him and overheard other people's conversations, but I think he was in a car accident that left him in a coma.
>The only thing that I can offer towards all of this is that you´ve got these links:
holy moly - thanks, I'll check it out
>>6390
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let´s say that the fandom has been going through....eeeeerm, (how do I say this?), """"interesting"""" times for these last couple of months (especially from the last few days of June to the entire month of July). While it has calmed down a fair bit recently (relatively speaking), it´s still going and far from over. It has lead to the creation of these sites (the ones that appear in the left column)
good gracious. I've never been good at keeping up with drama but it feels a little weird being as out of the loop as I am currently, I suppose.
>>6396
>do you remember me 5050?
I think so. I also remember the guy who wanted to ask me a question and never asked it.
Anyways I'll keep catching up and lurking. Couldn't find any pony pics so enjoy my waifu I guess



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